If there is a scientologist who would like to have a discussion about scientology i am here to discuss.

are you a scientologist????? or do you want to ask questions????

the e-meter is fun... if you hold it.. and think evil thoughts, of killing and hate and rage... and stuff to raise your blood pressure, then you can see the needle rise..

and when you relax.. the needle falls... great fun...

you can play with one at the celebrity center in los angeles... its open to the public..... of course..


its a decadent as can be.....tapastries... chandaleirs... rugs.. golden gilded walls.

normally a session with a trained person, using the e-meter can cost big bucks.

a terrible scam.


if you go to the blue building in la... they will show you an orientation film....
really cool... in a small private theater,, with surround sound... awesome.

the film was cool.. but its a comercial.. motiovating you buy their books.
they recommend you start with a specific 5... each costs 50 dollars.


next to the blue building in la... they own alot of apartment building in the area, to house all the members... ive talked to them..

there is no need to beleieve in god... only hubbard.
they share a bathroom with 30 people.. or more.
they share rooms.. like dorms..

and they work long hours.. like 12 a day... and they dont get paid...
they are given a small allowance... for basic stuff.

and when you leave.... you leave with nothing.


they do offer some training in computers and stuff, and it is possible to move into managemtn where you can draw a salary...


the problem as i see it...

is there are 150 levels of theta.... and to achieve each level, takes alot of study... alot.. alot of books..

in fact... the entire thing is set up, so that the average person simply could never do it all in one lifetime.... its not possible.


they do take in homeless people... but as far as i can tell, just the young ones...

but i could be wrong... ive seen some.. few... older members... but.. only a few.

-MT

Yes. Scientology is one of the biggest money making scams in religion.

no i am not a scientologist i am looking for someone who is

no i am not a scientologist i am looking for someone who is

good luck :bugeye:

My parents are scientologists if that's any help.

As for scientology being the biggest money making scam.. It has nothing in comparison to christianity - and thus cannot in any way claim first place.

No, scientology actually is a scam. L. Ron Hubbard invented it for the sole purpose of making money. (I have heard stories, as if the aliens and DC-10s weren't themselves convincing enough.)

Yeah, so is christianity, (*points at the Vatican*)

I think what Baumgarten means is that L Ron actually said he was going to make up a new religion to get rich (something to that effect) With the catholic church I think they just discovered down the line that they could also make heaps O' cash running the faith.....(holy grail narrator voice) and there was much rejoicing (/holy grail narrator voice)

Ja. Rome formed Catholicism to be the final word on the religious conflict growing within the empire. The state was already filthy rich.

I guess if you make something you could always have followers, depending on how you sell your idea. But what does catholicism have to do with scientology? Let's try to forget how these religions have little or nothing to do which each other for once, and try to focus on the original point. Because i think we have all discussed christianity/catholicism enough in our lifetime.

But I would simply like to know who has a healthy knowledge of scientology. I'm sorry but i'm not really looking for rumours about it either... It's more or less the defeat of my purpose to make this thread.

My parents are scientologists if that's any help.




Well seeing as your parents are scientologists, would you happen to have any insight on it for me. In particular i would like to know what made them go to it, and some general ideas towards the point of being a scientologist. Assuming you don't mind answering my questions.

are you a scientologist????? or do you want to ask questions????

the e-meter is fun... if you hold it.. and think evil thoughts, of killing and hate and rage... and stuff to raise your blood pressure, then you can see the needle rise..

and when you relax.. the needle falls... great fun...

you can play with one at the celebrity center in los angeles... its open to the public..... of course..


its a decadent as can be.....tapastries... chandaleirs... rugs.. golden gilded walls.

normally a session with a trained person, using the e-meter can cost big bucks.

a terrible scam.


if you go to the blue building in la... they will show you an orientation film....
really cool... in a small private theater,, with surround sound... awesome.

the film was cool.. but its a comercial.. motiovating you buy their books.
they recommend you start with a specific 5... each costs 50 dollars.


next to the blue building in la... they own alot of apartment building in the area, to house all the members... ive talked to them..

there is no need to beleieve in god... only hubbard.
they share a bathroom with 30 people.. or more.
they share rooms.. like dorms..

and they work long hours.. like 12 a day... and they dont get paid...
they are given a small allowance... for basic stuff.

and when you leave.... you leave with nothing.


they do offer some training in computers and stuff, and it is possible to move into managemtn where you can draw a salary...


the problem as i see it...

is there are 150 levels of theta.... and to achieve each level, takes alot of study... alot.. alot of books..

in fact... the entire thing is set up, so that the average person simply could never do it all in one lifetime.... its not possible.


they do take in homeless people... but as far as i can tell, just the young ones...

but i could be wrong... ive seen some.. few... older members... but.. only a few.

-MT


Well i suppose the people who have chosen to enjoy the needle game, usually enjoy it, and are willingto pay to keep their enjoyment. So from this i can see it makes people happy, and gives them something to do. So far nothing bad, or harmful to anyone.

Although about the laboring, it is odd they wouldn't pay, but they do provide housing. So it does equal out, seeing as how housing in california is anything but cheap. So everything appears to be legitimate.

150 levels?? Really, and i guess each of these books cost money as well. Well that is deffinitly a little over the top. But none the less, people arn't complaining. So i can tell from that, that this still isn't anything bad at all.

So what about the religion itself? Does it have some entertaining plotline?

I CAN SAY... hubbard... was genius..... sure was...

he can take any topic... and write a book on it... its what he did.

scientology, has nothing to do with god or creation or anything godly...

its about being human... self improvement and enlightenment....

the only reason it won its court case, affirming it as a church...

is the presadent of BUDDHISM... it also has no god.. no creation...
its a philosophical perspective that replaces other god based beliefs...
and so is accepted as a religion...

but ... as far as i can tell, and from my studies... it has nothing to do with science.

and has everything to do with 'a science of mind' a science, hubbard invented.



the effects of these programs in self improvement, can i hear... help alot of people.

but in their campaign to help people, they do so, by telling them that modern phycologists and their drugs... are all bad.
and instead... what is better than physcology... is dianetics.



and example...

in regards to cleaning the body of toxins... he wrote a book.. called 'CLEAR BODY / CLEAR MIND'............

ITS NOT A SMALL BOOK... but the whole book... maybe 150-200 pages.. all serves to teach a person one paragraph worth of info.

that paragraph is.....
' sweating is one way to remove toxins... so using saunas is a good idea, and taking large doses of niacin... also helps remove these toxins.. especially in conjuction with the sweating treatment in suanas..... in this way, we can over time, clean the body, by this niacin and hot box sweating process... period.'

he was not the discover of these facts... he learned them... just as we all might do if we are well educated and read alot...

he took that basic info... and wrote a book, which is a major part of the scientology program of self betterment......

like i said... he can take any subject, and give you 200 pages talking about it in great detail.


but... in my opinion... his books... all.. simply contain to much ''''''''fat'''''''''''.
(except the fiction books.... those are really cool... with alot of detail...)

but if he trimmed them down... then he wouldnt have any books to sell.

-MT

Tried to read and L. Ron Hubbard book once...still have epileptic fits from the brain damage cuased by his sentence structure and total lack of style.

As for Scientologists, think on this. They believe in absolutely no medical study, not one. They don't believe in any of the nice medicines that help people while mild to sever brain dysfunctions. They don't like hospitals at all. They are guilty of kidnapping more than one Scientologist patient. They berate people for accepting their problems and using modern medicine to treat it. I've seen Jesuits more enlightened about medical care!

Do yourself a favor, if you want to join a cult make it a fun one with a good medical plan.

Tried to read and L. Ron Hubbard book once...still have epileptic fits from the brain damage cuased by his sentence structure and total lack of style.

As for Scientologists, think on this. They believe in absolutely no medical study, not one. They don't believe in any of the nice medicines that help people while mild to sever brain dysfunctions. They don't like hospitals at all. They are guilty of kidnapping more than one Scientologist patient. They berate people for accepting their problems and using modern medicine to treat it. I've seen Jesuits more enlightened about medical care!

Do yourself a favor, if you want to join a cult make it a fun one with a good medical plan.


Well aside from kidnapping, i don't see any crime in not liking modern medicine. That is alot more commonly seen in cult type religions. Which no one except outsiders seem to actually complain about it. I do see how kdnapping a member of your own religion is a bad thing, but then again i have no idea why or what reason they kidnapped him. For all we know, the guys/girls who kidnapped him/her could have been planing it. I would however like to see some documentation on this. By the way i have no interests in joining a cult type religion of any kind. But thanks for the advice...

Well seeing as your parents are scientologists, would you happen to have any insight on it for me. In particular i would like to know what made them go to it, and some general ideas towards the point of being a scientologist. Assuming you don't mind answering my questions.

Well, I was adopted at a rather young age so don't really know much about it. I managed to track them down several years ago and they seem like normal enough people.

It certainly does seem to me that a lot of what people say is nonsense, (like TW's post), what I have personally seen seems to be quite the opposite. They have no problem whatsoever with medical care - indeed my mother spent quite a bit of time in hopsital.

If you want information I'd be happy to talk to them and ask.

Well, I was adopted at a rather young age so don't really know much about it. I managed to track them down several years ago and they seem like normal enough people.

It certainly does seem to me that a lot of what people say is nonsense, (like TW's post), what I have personally seen seems to be quite the opposite. They have no problem whatsoever with medical care - indeed my mother spent quite a bit of time in hopsital.

If you want information I'd be happy to talk to them and ask.

Yes alot of it did seem to be a bit around the bush.

But my main concerns are what made them decide scientology was correct for them, and the benifits of scientology to their life. Perhaps a few small facts if you wouldn't mind. I would be very greatful if you were able to figure anything out for me.

I suppose it's the same with anything. You're at a certain stage in your life where you feel you're missing something and so stumble upon something that claims to be able to offer the answers, and next thing you know you're hooked.

That could be religion, beer, drugs, the latest Coldplay album or anything else you can think of.

Still, I'll talk to them later and ask.

I suppose it's the same with anything. You're at a certain stage in your life where you feel you're missing something and so stumble upon something that claims to be able to offer the answers, and next thing you know you're hooked.

That could be religion, beer, drugs, the latest Coldplay album or anything else you can think of.

Still, I'll talk to them later and ask.


Yes, I very well understand the fixations of a emotional crutch, but every religion, artist, or drug has it's own benifits. But i'm curious to see what scientologies traits are.

the over all theme... in scientology....

is that.. they... are making the world a better place.

they.. are... as being different from jews and christians etc...

they.. are bent on it... making the world better.. without war.. without hate.

and they believe the way to do so.. is threw ones self.. and the solving for 'the problems of the mind'
since, it can be argued that all problems stem from the mind...


based on that... by helping the individual too remove his negative thoughts and traits, they do.. make the world better. by making people better.

hence...


the reason for the 'celebrity center' in LA... it is huge and decadent.. and is meant specifcally to cater to the rich... the famous... and most importantly...
the influencial.


that is their goal.. and that is how they plan on doing it.

a tactic, which is questionalble in it self.... since they offer no actual politcal or science solutions to any real world problems.

they ... believe that by improving the minds of our leaders...

that we could then improve the world.... a questionalbe logic.

-MT

The Unfunny Truth about Scientology (http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/)

Yes, its YTMND so its not exactly the most reputable source on the internet, but this YTMND does put forth some evidence of events that have actually happened under the watch of Scientologists...

the over all theme... in scientology....

is that.. they... are making the world a better place.

they.. are... as being different from jews and christians etc...

they.. are bent on it... making the world better.. without war.. without hate.

and they believe the way to do so.. is threw ones self.. and the solving for 'the problems of the mind'
since, it can be argued that all problems stem from the mind...


based on that... by helping the individual too remove his negative thoughts and traits, they do.. make the world better. by making people better.

hence...


the reason for the 'celebrity center' in LA... it is huge and decadent.. and is meant specifcally to cater to the rich... the famous... and most importantly...
the influencial.


that is their goal.. and that is how they plan on doing it.

a tactic, which is questionalble in it self.... since they offer no actual politcal or science solutions to any real world problems.

they ... believe that by improving the minds of our leaders...

that we could then improve the world.... a questionalbe logic.

-MT

So, they believe by changing our leaders views to there own that the world will work more peacefully? Well if this is true, then it is a possible way to fix the world, after massive amounts of fighting, to make everyone agree with you.

yes... but their tactic... IS to bombard you with the vast lybrary of books by hubbard... so that even another genius.. is forced to stop and say.. wow.

they honestly... believe and promote... 'teach'

that hubbard... is on the same shelf as JESUS, MOSES, KRISHNA, BUDDHA.. ETC...

they even go so far as to think... he is better.. he is modern.. he speaks to them..

to their heart.. with real modern perspective on their real problems..

but only the mental and emotional ones... the intangeble ones..

the ones.. that cant actually be proven...

hence the success of his 'science of mind'... since it is not science.
it is thus... difficult to tear apart...

its all intelectual psuedoscience of the mind... offering people the chance to become alot more than they could ever be wIthout it.... WITHOUT HUBBARD.

and its true... read 20 books by hubbard... and it will effect your mind.

the only question.. is whether there is real benefit.. or intangeble religious benefits.

its the same all over...

the reason i believe they continue... is because the members see themselves as actually improving... which of course happens..

since that is what they obsess over.... so whether it is real or not.. they may see it.

-MT

So MT, after assesing all of this, what do you think of scientology, is it a bad thing, or is it something that should be left on its on account?

it is not evil... it is not bent on domination... it is not trying to ruin people lives...

it wants to do good.. it wants to help the world.. it wants to be the worlds dominant religion... of course...

JUST LIKE ALLL RELIGIOUS GROUPS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

the question lies in whether it can actually deliver on its promises.


most religions.. promise heaven... salvation and GOD...

scientology offers you absolutly nothing towards your after life.

it is designed to improve this life..... with the idea.... which suggest that an inproved life means an improved soul...

but that depends...

on the desires of a creator, if one exists..... hence the big question...

will it please GOD...???

NO... because scientology has no GOD, other than hubbard.

that is its only real problem... and it cannot be fixed.. because hubbard is dead.. and he was obviously an atheist.

so... by default... most scienetologists are atheists...

thus it becomes a psuedo religion for atheists in favor of science and mental conditioning.

while scientology does not prevent or oppose godly views... it makes no attempt to support them. ... as far as i can tell.. and learned.



its main problem... is the idea of overcoming problems...


as anyone who knows anything can tell you... there are alot of people out there...

and they all have alot of problems.... some have big problems.


and as far as i can see... i live in la.. i see them all the time... 'scientologists'...

they are all... the type of people... who have easily solvable problem...
alittle dicipline... alot of positive motivation... and alot of support... and they can actually get better....

but...

if they were able to really solve the big problems.. some people have...

then they would be shouting it to the roof tops...

thus... it is obvious... they can only handle the handlable problems.

which means... it doesnt work.


the program of wanting to get better... postive motivation.. education.. and alot of support.... is the part that works...

the dianetics and endless religious stuff... is just to cover up that fact.


but... this is just my opinion... based on what i have learned.

and i could be wrong.

-MT

I have visited the site, and alot of interesting things came up. I would say it matches the beliefs. Well so they have all of the books because they belive man is immortal. So if you where able to read all of the books in your life, obtained by living healthy. You have completed a mind test in a sort. To them it very possible, but an occurance of this sort is very rare, and will not actually happen until medical science has devised a way to increase the average human life span.

Well, in my opinion i think it could happen, and there for is valid. I have also concluded that it is a religion as much as bhuddism is. But I think their enlightenment comes from very simular aspects of bhuddism, with discipline, and self control. The list goes on but i imagine you get the idea. So scientology isn't a cult, and is not a scam. The fact they need money would be okay, if they weren't bent on dominating the worlds religions.

They're an overall good religion. They have good ideals, and have done no damage to anyone. Except for that rumour of the kidnapping, which i still haven't seen any documentation of.
But yea, that's pretty much my basis on it now.

I'm an ex-member - I was expelled in 2000. But I was only with them for several weeks. Generally a nice bunch of people but most are incredibly poor because of the large sums of money they have to pay for the auditing sessions and classes. Going to the next level is great but boy you have to pay a fortune to get there.

Is it a money making scam? Absolutely without a doubt. Is there benefit from ridding your mind of past troubles and insecurities? Sure but I have been able to do that these past 30 years using Transcendental Meditation instead which is essentially free.

It isn't really a religion - it just has some sci-fi mystical mumbo-jumbo as a front, which is kinda funny. Behind the scene there is a vast heirarchy of layers all raking in very large sums of money.

For example I had booked a 10 week course for $5000 and then I changed my mind before starting it and requested my money back. Then I discovered these weren't course fees but voluntary donations that were not refundable - oops. After a long battle and many interrogations to ensure I wasn't with the CIA or FBI they gave me my money back and kicked me out.

is this true??? oh my my my my...

did they give you and initial reciept when you gave them the money???

and if so... it must state clearly that it was a donation... and how much of it was deductable... OTHERWISE... YOU COULDNT DEDUCT IT.
if they did not tell you... you could deduct it.. then it was a service..

that should be taxed....

this suggests.. they are committing either tax fraud...

or..

they just didnt care about you getting the tax deduction.

they are professionals... they dont forget to give reciepts..

doing so can bring down a non-profit...


my my my...

-MT

Well, I was adopted at a rather young age so don't really know much about it. I managed to track them down several years ago and they seem like normal enough people.

It certainly does seem to me that a lot of what people say is nonsense, (like TW's post), what I have personally seen seems to be quite the opposite. They have no problem whatsoever with medical care - indeed my mother spent quite a bit of time in hopsital.

If you want information I'd be happy to talk to them and ask.

My post is rather truthful. Did we not just hear Scientologist Tom Cruise drag Brooke Shields name through the mud by claiming that she has no real reason to seek medical assistance for her severe post-partum depression. She was one of the unlucky few who suffered the most severe and crippling form. His response is that she was being irresponsible and should just take vitamins.

Check here for a case of their negligence, almost murder (http://www.sptimes.com/TampaBay/111498/Scientology_charged_i.html)

How they respond to peaceful picketers (http://www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/sp961.htm)

"Scientology is evil; its techniques are evil; its practice is a serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill... (Scientology is) the world's largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental therapy."
-- Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia

"The government is satisfied that Scientology is socially harmful. It alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and well being of those so deluded as to become followers; above all, its methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to them... There is no power under existing law to prohibit the practice of Scientology; but the government has concluded that it is so objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its power to curb its growth."
-- Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health

"The crime committed by these defendants is of a breath and scope previously unheard of. No building, office, desk, or file was safe from their snooping and prying. No individual or organization was free from their despicable conspiratorial minds. The tools of their trade were miniature transmitters, lock picks, secret codes, forged credentials and any other device they found necessary to carry out their conspiratorial schemes."
-- Federal prosecutor's memorandum to the judge urging stiff jail sentences for 9 top leaders of Scientology who had pleaded guilty to criminal charges

"Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious...It is corrupt sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard... It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestionably and to those who criticize it or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and relationships with others."
-- Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London

"[The court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories... and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to continue with their sect.... The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L.Ron Hubbard."
-- Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court

"In addition to violating and abusing its own members' civil rights, the organization over the years with its 'fair game' doctrine has harassed and abused those persons not in the church whom it perceives as enemies."
-- Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge, June 1984, in the Gerry Armstrong case

"In January 1980, fearing a raid by law enforcement agencies, Hubbard's representatives ordered the shredding of all documents showing that Hubbard controlled Scientology organizations, finances, personnel, or the property at Gilman Hot Springs. In a two week period, approximately one million pages were shredded pursuant to this order."
-- California appellate court, 2nd. district, 3rd. division, July 29, 1991, B025920 &qmp B038975, Super. Ct. No. C 420153

"It is common knowledge among senior executives of the organization and it is the policy of CSC that members of the Boards of Directors are mere figureheads, without authority or control, not for internal corporate reasons, but rather to vest control in Mr. Hubbard. I have personal knowledge that in order to carry out this corporate fraud, organizational executives have engaged in the various unethical practices including backdating phony Board minutes and forging signatures."
-- Affidavit of Gerry Armstrong, former member

"When a person is subjected to coercive persuasion [as in Scientology] without his knowledge or consent ...[he may] develop serious and sometimes irreversible physical and psychiatric disorders, up to and including schizophrenia, self-mutilation, and suicide."
-- California Supreme Court, United States v. Lee [455 U.S. 252,257,258 (1982)*/

"The dispute in this case surrounds Lerma's acquisition and publication on the Internet of texts that the Church of Scientology considers sacred and protects heavily from unauthorized disclosure. Founded by L. Ron Hubbard, the Scientology religion attempts to explain the origin of negative spiritual forces in the world and advances techniques for improving one's own spiritual well-being. Scientologists believe that most human problems can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters" to individuals in the contemporary world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives of their hosts ".
-- USDJ Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion, RTC vs Lerma

My post is rather truthful. Did we not just hear Scientologist Tom Cruise drag Brooke Shields name through the mud by claiming that she has no real reason to seek medical assistance for her severe post-partum depression.

Well, would you then say the same about christianity because you read about a christian trying to preach to lions after breaking into a zoo, or the woman that stoned her children to death because god told her to?

With any religion/cult you will undoubtedly come across serious fundamentalist lunatics, but my post was to state that your 'overall' opinion was not entirely valid given that I know of scientologists that do go to doctors and take medicines when needed.

Of course I can and will agree that scientology is dangerous - and would extend that to say that any religion is dangerous and should be outlawed.

Well, would you then say the same about christianity because you read about a christian trying to preach to lions after breaking into a zoo, or the woman that stoned her children to death because god told her to?

With any religion/cult you will undoubtedly come across serious fundamentalist lunatics, but my post was to state that your 'overall' opinion was not entirely valid given that I know of scientologists that do go to doctors and take medicines when needed.

Of course I can and will agree that scientology is dangerous - and would extend that to say that any religion is dangerous and should be outlawed.

Okay so your small percentage of Scientologists matches the small percentage of every other religion that is apeshit crazy. The majority of other organized religions are do not stone their children, sacrifice themselves to lions, or molest people. Meanwhile it seems that the vast majority of Scientology does the kind of crap you condemn the crazy people of christanity.

So it works like this you complain that there is a bit of salt (the bad christians and such) in yoou water then show the Scientology has a drop or two of water in thier salt.

Okay so your small percentage of Scientologists matches the small percentage of every other religion that is apeshit crazy. The majority of other organized religions are do not stone their children, sacrifice themselves to lions, or molest people. Meanwhile it seems that the vast majority of Scientology does the kind of crap you condemn the crazy people of christanity.

Well, you seem so confident I can only assume you have some statistics to hand?

"the vast majority of scientology..."

Back it up.

So it works like this you complain that there is a bit of salt (the bad christians and such) in yoou water then show the Scientology has a drop or two of water in thier salt.

Not at all. You would need to provide statistics to back up your claims, all I said was your claims were redundant, unless of course you can provide those statistics concerning them. A couple of links and one Tom Cruise statement hardly equals "the vast majority of scientology".

As I said though, they should all be outlawed and then we don't have to worry about christians blowing up abortion clinics, muslims blowing up innocent civilians or - at the seriously bad side of the scale - scientologists not visiting hopsitals.

Well when i say that it's as much as a religion as bhuddism is, i mean they just live a certain life to reach a perfect point. It may very well be a mind trick, and money scam.

But they do have a credible background of making people better. Yes paying alot of money to pass on to the next level seems like it is a scam. But you have to consider how expensive some theorpy sessions can be. If you have a session every week then you may pay more then 50 dollars a session. You could be going to theory for months on end. Which is very close to paying 50 dollars a book.

It takes money to run a religion, just a much as running a clinic. But i cannpt deny that they may be pocketing a vast majority of the money. But this is where i ask some one to give me the evidence they are indeed pocketing the money. Until then i will have a reasonable doubt about it.

Please remember i do not choose scientology as my own religion, i just simply questioned it's intentions.