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In the name of Allah, most Beneficent, most Merciful
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds
The Generous, the Merciful
Owner of the Day of Judgement
Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help
Show us the straight path
The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray .
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by these marvellous words which Quran begins with, I'll start my speech ...
First of all ... hi there ... I'm so glad to be here with you guys in one of my most favorite sites to me ...

Honestly, I'm really bored from a long and overstated preface so I'll go on straight on the theme .. OK

RESPECT RESPECT
is very important word I'd like to do. Respect of everything, God, religion, prophets, messengers, holy books, people, ourselves, everything, everything, and that's not a new trend but it's one of the very decisive order in Islam and in other God's religion .. OK ...

Now overall the basic purpose of this topic is exchange the information about Islam, and in particular to response to who slander the Quran and Islam and defame the picture of the last prophet to all nations "Mohammed" ...

Of course you know what I mean ... and that's enough cause I'm getting borded slowly ... Do you ever seen a man that getting bored from himself ? :)

Anyway ... I think this topic will contain alot of knowledge ... and I'll really enjoy with the forum's friends ... so don't prevent me from that chance ...

By the way ... don't forget that's I'm still little in English and it's obvious of course from my writings ... but it's not very bad anyway ...

Don't forget "RESPECT" and welcome you and me ...


I'm waiting ....

I don't think cults like Islam and Christianity have earned respect from the secular world. Both cults are bent on spreading their diseases they call religious doctrine to the far reaches of the planet at the expense of the worldviews and beliefs of others.

When missionaries and evangelicals of these two cults demonstrate respect for the worldviews of small cultures, then perhaps they'll get it in return. They don't even respect each other and, if moderates within their cults pretend to, they're being intellectually dishonest since the doctrines of both cults have clear instruction on how to deal with those that refuse to accept cult doctrines.

"Respect?" Earn it first. Islam is every bit the virus of the mind that Christianity is.

Wolf,

Hi and welcome to sciforums. Don't expect a pleasant ride here, your subject will likely meet with some tough issues for you.

And further to Skin's comments Islam does seem like an unpleasant and unacceptable assault on the world of reason.

Here is the first question for you. Mohammed it seems suffered from extreme epileptic fits and it is well known that during such seizures the victims often experience intense hallucinations. It would seem that his friends at the time and in their ignorance mistook these hallucinations as if they had a supernatural origin and hence a new religion was born. How do you feel about following a religion that has only an hallucination as its sole basis?

Wolf,

Islam promotes death and destruction. It's one of the most dangerous mind viruses on earth and many strains choke the very foundations of humanity. Mawlana Abul Ala Mawdudi (founder of Pakistan’s fundamentalist movement) says it best:

“Islam is a revolutionary faith that comes to destroy any government made by man. Islam doesn’t look for a nation to be in better condition than another nation. Islam doesn’t care about the land or who own the land.

The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power in this world that tries to get in the way of that goal, Islam will fight and destroy.”

Every single day of the week some muslims blow up a few more innocent people. That being the case, you're never going to get that 'respect' you desire.

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=52814

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In the name of Allah , which only exists inside the brains of men, as a fantasy.
Praise be to all paedophiles , who has sex with 10 years old children , like Mohammed did .....
Blessed be all criminals, who kill, like Mohammed attacked and killed
peacefull men in caravans from Mekka , like a highwayman .................
Blessed be all powermad politicians, who like Mohammed , make special laws
to benefit for themself (everyone is equal - but some are more equal than others)
Blessed be all psychotics , who hear voices and think they belong to god, like Mohammed did ..
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However, everyone please pity "wolf attack" , after all he is only a victim - brainwashed by muslims since he was a little child .........

I do not respect "Allah" or "Mohammed" - they have not earned my respect - however I do respect you, wolf attack , as a human beeing and a poor victim of a religious cult !!!

you might want to check these wolf attack rather than starting a new thread and rehashing old ideas.

THE REAL [GOD] = ALLAH ...... join here you all need to know (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=44145&highlight=islam)

Quran: the truth & deceptions (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=54900&highlight=islam)

meaning of jehad (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51332&highlight=islam)

hi everybody,

That's so nice to talk you guys and that's a little bit questions less than I was expected ... OK

"SkinWalker" :
SkinWalker: " I don't think cults like Islam and Christianity have earned respect from the secular world "
Of course Islam or Christianity or other in the beginning had faced many disagreements and resistance from people because of alot of vested interest or self-interest like commerce or influence and power - or a deeply persuasion or money or wealth or other .. that made them do their utmost to defend what they had and what they earned although they were really sure that they were invalid .. but .. after a few time it's definited to them and the others that this religion and this prophet was always on right .. till now till that moment ..

and Quran contains alot of proves like :
"Those who love the life of this world more than the Hereafter, who hinder (men) from the Path of Allah and seek therein something crooked: they are astray by a long distance"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=14&nAya=3&t=eng

and :

"Rejected were the Messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the Words (and Decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those Messengers"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=6&nAya=34&t=eng

SkinWalker: " Both cults are bent on spreading their diseases they call religious doctrine to the far reaches of the planet at the expense of the worldviews and beliefs of others "
What disease you're talking about, we can't till that day count the benefits of the religions that God created, how many the right deeds it was signs ? how many science it was talking about ? .. religion is so important to nations to coordinate life and tell us the truth of our creation and about the good or bad deeds and about God Who create everything and alot of things .. I can't count it ..

read this :
"This is the book; in it is guidance, sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=2&nAya=2&t=eng

and :
"Verily this Qur-an doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the glad tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward - And to those who believe not in the Hereafter, (it announceth) that We have prepared for them a Penalty Grievous (indeed)"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=17&nAya=9&t=eng

SkinWalker: " They don't even respect each other "
How was that ? Do you know that's a very decisive order from Allah in Islam, one of basis of faith, that believe in God's holy books and God's prophets and not tell them apart .. that's true .. you know, JUDAISM doesn't believe in Jesus or Mohammed, CHRISTIANITY doesn't believe in Mohammed, although "Mohammed" was mentioned in Torah and Gospel (but it's a differant issue, if you want I can talk about that)

see that proves in Quran :
"The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His Books, and His Messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His Messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey, (we seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=2&nAya=285&t=eng

"Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Ibrahim, Isma'il, Ishaq, Ya'qub, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Musa, 'Isa, and the Prophets, from their Lord: we make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=3&nAya=84&t=eng

"O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=4&nAya=136&t=eng

"Those who deny Allah and His Messengers, and (those who) wish to separate Allah from His Messengers, saying: "We believe in some but reject others": and (those who) wish to take a course midway"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=4&nAya=150&t=eng

that's between the true believers and the messengers ...
how about messengers and each others ?

see that proof that show Allah (all-wise) motivated his messenger Mohammed to be patient like other messengers :
"Therefore patiently persevere, as did (all) Messengers of inflexible purpose; and be in no haste about the (Unbelievers) ..."
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=46&nAya=35&t=eng

"Then if they reject thee, so were rejected Messengers before thee, who came with Clear Signs, and the Scriptures, and the Book of Enlightenment"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=3&nAya=184&t=eng

How about the relation between the believers and the other religions ?
"And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury); but say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=29&nAya=46&t=eng

How about the relation between husband to her wife ?
How about the relation between wife to his husband ?
How about the relation towards kids ?
How about the relation towards youth ?
How about the relation towards women ?
How about the relation towards parents ?
How about the relation towards God's rights ?
How about ..? How about ..?

That's will take a millions years to compose a millions of books to just repeat what's written from 1500 years ago, but you with a very simple way can read it now, and you know we're in the 21th century can find alot of source by one click while you drink your tea, cause you know in past the one was farewell their family to take his scientific trip on camel along thousand miles just for one information ...

I think we should make another session talking lengthely about islam at all and how it began and how it spreaded ... God-Willing ... tomorrow

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Cris :
thanks and I know what you mean man, and promise will answer tomorrow cause it's too late right now and I should prepare to go to bed cause it's tuesday, you know, a really tough day ... Ok

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Crunchy Cat
keep in touch with me tomorrow will talk about Islam and will talk about your point "God help me" ... Ok

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now see ya

Wolf ,
I have a question about prohibition of portraying people !!!
Some muslims say that all images of people are prohibited - other muslims says
it is only images of Mohammed, that is prohibited ....
What does the Koran say sbout it - and what is your opinion about it ...

When the taliban blew up the images of Buddha in Afghanistan - they said it was according to the prohibition of images - and in older muslim ornamentations of buildings and Mosques, there is no images of people .....

I tried to look it up - it seems that the Koran originally prohibited images of all living creatures - animals and humans both - is that correct ??

hi everybody,

"Cris" :
Cris : " Mohammed it seems suffered from extreme epileptic fits and it is well known that during such seizures the victims often experience intense hallucinations "

that's old claim from an old christians had followed all good men not Mohammed in particular, you know, it's one of 3000 or 4000 calumnies and slanders that Mohammed had been accused of, and the generations had transfered it ...

Ok .. will repeate the response but with a very very scientifical proovies ..

First things first to define "epilepsy" :
("Group of diseases charaterized by paroxysmal changes in neurological function caused by abnormalities in the electrical activites of the brain")

and ("each episoide is called seizure ,seizure may be convulsion or non convulsion")


"Symptoms :-

The symptoms of epilepsy vary depending on how much of the brain is affected and where the affected area is located.

Primary generalized seizures (involve all areas of the brain):

Generalized tonic-clonic seizure (also called grand mal) — In this type of seizure, the person loses consciousness, falls to the ground and temporarily stops breathing. All body muscles then contract (tense up) at once for a short period. This is soon followed by a series of shorter rhythmic contractions. Some people also lose bowel or bladder control (become incontinent). The seizure episode may last for a few minutes and is followed by a period of sleepiness (lethargy) and confusion, and possibly muscle soreness and a headache.


Absence seizure (also called petit mal seizure) — In this type of seizure, loss of consciousness is so brief that the person usually doesn't change position. For a few seconds, the person may have a blank stare, blink rapidly, make chewing movements with the mouth, or briefly move an arm or leg rhythmically. This type of seizure usually begins in childhood or early adolescence.


Partial (focal) seizures (begin in a single area of the brain):

Simple partial seizure — In this type of seizure, the person remains awake and aware. Symptoms vary depending on the brain area involved and can include jerking movements in one part of the body; an experience of abnormal smells, sounds or changes in vision; nausea; or emotional symptoms, such as unexplained fear or rage.


Complex partial seizure — In this type of seizure, the person may seem to be aware, but is briefly unresponsive. There may be a blank stare, chewing or lip smacking, repetitive movements of the hand, or unusual behaviors. After the seizure, the person has no memory of the episode"
source : http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?t=9902&p=~br,IHW|~st,24479|~r,WSIHW000|~b,*|


and if you want more about "epilepsy" then try this specialized and expert site : http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/main_epilepsy.html

and try to read it's Types of Seizures (http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/types_seizures.html) and it's Types of Epilepsy (http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/types_epilepsy.html) and "Aura" (http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/auras.html)


From above we can conclude, nobody mentioned that 'Mohammed' during 23 years didn't appear any of these seizures on him .. prove the opposite ..


Cris : "It would seem that his friends at the time and in their ignorance mistook these hallucinations"

How was that ? his friends was so intelligent, there were from all ranks who believed him and his message: poor, rich, strong, weak, women, adults, graybeard or old, ... and I proved above that slander of epilepsy is not true, then his friends is not ignorant ..

And you claimed that they mistook these hallucinations, don't you know that this disease (epilepsy) was known in that era and even after Islam and everybody knew it ..

See when a dark-complexioned woman came to 'Mohammed' and said : "I'm suffering from a deep epilepsy and that epilepsy make my always naked without any awake from me, so please supplicate Allah to be a cure person and ....."
source : http://hadith.al-islam.com/bayan/display.asp?Lang=eng&ID=1493

He ('Mohammed') didn't asked for "epilepsy" or any of his disciples, cause you know they (his disciples) didn't slip anything the prophet did or said without asking him about it ...

As I said before you try to repeat and transfer a slander without seeing it
I suggest to read an effective parts of Islam and don't tell me that there's any benefits just harmful themes .. I don't believe that


with my due respect

Will keep on discussion for the other topics tomorrow God-willing
see ya

This is pointless so long as the "responses" to questions are simple quotes from the Qur'an. Might as well quote from the Torah, Upanishad, Shvetashvatara or the Bible. Proves nothing.

RESPECT RESPECT
is very important word I'd like to do. Respect of everything, God, religion, prophets, messengers, holy books, people, ourselves, everything, everything, and that's not a new trend but it's one of the very decisive order in Islam and in other God's religion .. OK ...
ok wolfie,
some questions for ya
1-how do you feel homosexuals should be treated?
2-is it ok to lie to,steal from and /or kill those who are not Muslims?
3-what does your Quran says about atheists?

This is such a pointless thread.

I'm curious: how does that prove Mohammed wasn't merely epileptic? One might well have "known" about epilepsy but attributed Mohammed's 'visions' to deific interaction anyway. The description of Mohammed's attacks sounds very much like epilepsy or other mental/physiological illness.

I agree there's little way to prove anything here.

Muhammad

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/001.sbt.html#001.001.002
Narrated 'Aisha:
(the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's Apostle "O Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?" Allah's Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is (revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state passes ' off after I have grasped what is inspired. Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says." 'Aisha added: Verily I saw the Prophet being inspired Divinely on a very cold day and noticed the Sweat dropping from his forehead (as the Inspiration was over).

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/071.sbt.html#007.071.660
Narrated Aisha:
Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect).

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In the name of Allah, most Beneficent, most Merciful
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds
The Generous, the Merciful
Owner of the Day of Judgement
Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help
Show us the straight path
The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray .
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Well, I suppose, because the Qur'an is such an important book, that my questions should pose no problem for you:

1) On what day and in what year was the Qur'an completed?
2) On what day and in what year was the Qur'an canonized? By whom was it canonized?
3) Which are the 5 oldest Qur'an in the world today? How old is each? Are they all identical? Are they all identical to the one you have?

4) Was the original Qur'an written using didactical marks? Is your Qur'an written using didactical marks?


Thanks,
Michael

Wolf_Attack???
I think my questions were pretty direct and You did start the threat afterall.

Michael

....First things first to define "epilepsy"...

And the thread dies right there.

Wolf_Attack...............????

Well I thought my questions were pretty straight forward and should have been easily answered by now. You did start the post with a quote from the book that I am asking the very simple basic questions about didn't you?

Michael

Well I guess that answered that. Any other member want to give it a shot at answering my questions?

I guess you could say it was "canonized" by Umar: he had all the other Qurans rounded up and burned or buried, as I recall. What year was that in? Anyone remember?

hi everybody,

I'm so so sorry for late I wasn't here but if you want the truth (whispered) 'I forget the thread' :cool: .. Here again with you guys in my favorite forum to discuss more topics about Islam and to response to all who have a big suspicion and doubt about doctrine of Islam and will try hard (God-willing) to unveil all mysteries which surrounded by it ...

In this episode we'll talk about a massive slander it's about misunderstanding the meaning of Jihad ... Ok

...... fighting -- killing -- slaying -- murdering -- destroying -- consuming -- genociding -- massacring -- bloodshed -- violation -- sacrilege -- .......

Of cource these are just a few meanings of Jihad in your mind, I know that, ok, let me show you the truth ...



First of all, I want to clear the definate of "Jihad" or "Al-Jihad", it's an arabic word "جهاد" and source of word coming from "Juhd" or "جهد" which mean "effort - exert - stress - do something over energy - do best - ....",then you can say the noun is "Juhd" or "جهد" mean "effort" and "Jihad" or "جهاد" mean the process of effort or "exert effort" ... that's all in arabic language without any intervention of Islam ...

In Quran and Islam, when they wanted to translate the word "Jihad" to English or Frensh, they didn't found any of other word which identical to it or alternative or like it, that's why they let it 'Jihad', and who want to know the meaning of it must read a full explication and its parts and its rules and its principles to understand it, and they didn't put any other word like: you know, the obove for example ....


Now, what is the meaning of 'Jihad' in Islam ?


'Jihad' is exert oneself effort and do utmost and try hard -to do what God's demanded and keep away of what God's prohibited

see these texts in Quran :
"Ye are the best of Peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah ..."
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=3&nAya=110&t=eng

"Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: they are the ones to attain felicity"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=3&nAya=104&t=eng


Now, what are kinds of 'Jihad' ?


before get going in kinds of 'Jihad', I should mention to the first place in Quran which talking about 'Jihad', it's in 'Makka' (the first place which Quran had come down on it) and 'Mohammed' was alone at early of beginning Islam, Allah had said to 'Mohammed' :

"Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur-an)"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=25&nAya=52&t=eng

1- Obligatory upon everyone :-

*** Jihad against one’s self :
------- Striving to learn the teachings of Islam or any science branch
"...Allah will raise up, to (suitable) ranks (and degrees), those of you who believe and who have been granted Knowledge. And Allah is well-acquainted with all ye do"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=58&nAya=11&t=eng

... say, "O my Lord! advance me in knowledge."
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=20&nAya=114&t=eng

------- Striving to make oneself act in accordance with what one has learned
"O ye who believe! Why say ye that which ye do not? - Grievously odious is it in the sight of Allah that ye say that which ye do not"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=61&nAya=2&t=eng

"Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has Faith, verily, to him will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure, and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=16&nAya=97&t=eng

------- Striving to call others to your knowledge, teaching those who do not know about it
"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=16&nAya=125&t=eng

"Those who conceal the Clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after we have made it clear for the People in the Book, on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=2&nAya=159&t=eng

------- Striving to bear patiently the difficulties involved in calling people to Allah and the insults of people; bearing all that for the sake of Allah
"Rejected were the Messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them ..."
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=6&nAya=34&t=eng

"Not so do those who show patience and constancy, and work righteousness; for them is forgiveness (of sins) and a great reward"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=11&nAya=11&t=eng

"No reason have we why we should not put our trust on Allah. Indeed He has guided us to the Ways we (follow). We shall certainly bear with patience all the hurt you may cause us. For those who put their trust should put their trust on Allah"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=14&nAya=12&t=eng


*** Jihad against Satan, Devil (Archenemy) :
------- Warding off the doubts that he stirs up to undermine faith
------- Striving against him to ward off the corrupt desires that he provokes

"Say to My servants that they should (only) say those things that are best: for Satan doth sow dissensions among them: for Satan is to man an avowed enemy"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=17&nAya=53&t=eng

"Verily Satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents, that they may become companions of the Blazing Fire"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=35&nAya=6&t=eng



2- Obligatory upon the community as a whole who accountable :-

*** Jihad against hypocrites, insincere and disobedient :
------- With the heart
------- With tongue

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance."
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=16&nAya=125&t=eng


*** Jihad against atheist, disbeliever and polytheist :
------- With the heart
------- With tongue
------- With one’s wealth
------- With oneself

"Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in Allah's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah: they are the people who will achieve (salvation)"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=9&nAya=20&t=eng

"Allah hath purchased of the Believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise): they fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in Truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur-an: and who is more faithful to his Covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=9&nAya=111&t=eng

You can say this part had mentioned in Quran more than the others, that's because its effectiveness will come back onto the one, family, society, nation and WORLD. Plus Allah had predestined a massive recompense and paradise to people who dead to do what God ordered, and sacrifice with oneself is most worship because there's no priceless and expensive to everyone more than SOUL and SELF ....

Examples about that part will be merged with the purpose of Jihad, and from now on in this message will focus the light of this part and talk more about it ...


What about history and beginning of 'Jihad' ?


"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged; and verily, Allah is Most Powerful for their aid ..."
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=22&nAya=39&t=eng

By these holy words the first permission was given, the first mention from Allah to muslims to strive to get back what was raped from them : their land their home their respect.

This permission was after emigration from 'Macca' to 'Yathreb' or to 'El-Madenah' immediately, it's after twelve 12 years from the beginning of prophecy ((( And those who slander that 'Mohammed' was a killer and loving for bloodshed since his childhood :: ha 'Jihad' was permitted when he was 52 years old ))) and fightin' against extorted was prohibited before emigration, but generalization of Jihad was after a conquest 'Macca' after eight 8 years from emigration by this verse :

"...and fight the Pagans all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=9&nAya=36&t=eng


OK, can you tell me the purpose of 'Jihad' ?


1- The main goal of jihad is to make the people worship Allah alone and to bring them forth from servitude to people to servitude to the Lord of people

"And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=2&nAya=193&t=eng

2- Defense about Islam and moslims and get back rights to their owns

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=2&nAya=190&t=eng

"And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=2&nAya=190&t=eng

"Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=9&nAya=13&t=eng

3- Reveal all rails and obstacles in front of Islam and invitation to Islam, cause authorities and power which overpower and take control of counties was prevented their public to listen to Quran and Islam.

4- Prevent an islamic countries from any attack from neighbours because of conflicting advantage.

5- Freeing and liberation to all weakness nations from abuse and dictatorships.

"And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=4&nAya=75&t=eng

"Truly Fir'aun elated himself in the land and broke up its people into sections, depressing a small group among them: their sons he slew, but he kept alive their females: for he was indeed a maker of mischief"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=28&nAya=4&t=eng

6- Unveil the hypocrites.

"Those who believe say, "Why is not a Sura sent down (for us)?" But when a Sura of basic or categorical meaning is revealed, and fighting is mentioned therein, thou wilt see those in whose hearts is a disease looking at thee with a look of one in swoon at the approach of death. But more fitting for them"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=47&nAya=20&t=eng

"Allah will not leave the Believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good ..."
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=3&nAya=179&t=eng

"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting with their goods and persons. And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty, Only those ask thee for exemption who believe not in Allah and the Last Day, and whose hearts are in doubt, so that they are tossed in their doubts to and fro"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=9&nAya=44&t=eng

7- Ridding the world of corruption and sacrilege.

"(They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, (for no cause) except that they say, "Our Lord is Allah." Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid His (cause); for verily Allah is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will)"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=22&nAya=40&t=eng

"... And did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief: but Allah is full of bounty to all the worlds"
source : http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=2&nAya=251&t=eng



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If we talk about manners and principles of 'Jihad', I think we'll find more decisive orders from Allah and his messenger 'Mohammed' talking about that ... 'Mohammed' said ("Don't kill wounded, receding, internee, and if someone close his door and didn't fight then let him in peace") and in another place ("Don't kill any woman, young, old, and don't cut a tree or fire it, and don't destroy houses, and don't kill ewe or else") and 'Mohammed' found a dead woman after a holy conquest and was so angry and said ("Who kill this woman?") and someone said :"That's me" and the prophet said ("Why don't you let her?") and he said : "She intented to kill me" and the prophet said ("You should be a void and obviate her..") ....


I think I talk alot and the above is very very simple sight of 'Jihad' and talking about every thing in 'Jihad' need books not a few lines and messages and need a preacher, I just want to add three points :-

--1-- Did Islam spread by sword ?
I think sword can open a country but can't open a mind, beside the countries which had been conquested by muslims didn't embrase Islam after war immediately, but after a few months away of swords' clank and away of anxious of war

--2-- Why any islamic country going to fight for the orther ?
because If enough of them go out (to fight) for any assistance, the rest are freed from sin, but if none of them do that then all of them are sinners.

--3-- Did you agree with what Muslims' struggles do today ?
'Jihad' had two parts : (I) to motivate and spread Islam in world and of course this part was terminated from a hundred years because now everyone know Islam even if you found a man live in cave in the north or south pole, you'll find him listen at least about Islam - (II) to defense your home without overstep your limitation and without overreach what God said, no destruction to civilic buildings , no foolish killing to everyone away of war, ....


Finally, my heart rend with sorrow from what happened in the world, how many killed?, how many dead?, how many injured?, how many turned from a free man to vagrancy?, how many children had been orphaned?, how many women turned to widows?, how many buildings and mosques had been destructed? ... If you can count ... then ask about 'Jihad' ...


I hope you guys to benefit with what I wrote, and I'll try to answer to the other question sooner, excuse me again, see ya

wolf can you explain this for us http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2006.htm

hey "Shaitan", in the last message I just want to exculpate Islam and Mohammed from all slanders about loving bloodshed and consuming, not to debate about a very very big political problem, you know what, I had a hundreds and maybe thousands of sites talking about how savagery is Islam ? and from the other hand you can't catch one site talking about how dictatorships is western ? of course you'll not find, cause we don't need to talk about it cause that's so clear and obvious ... I told you I don't wanna talk about this political thing cause maybe I hate it, I don't know, but I want to add one thing and maybe it's a wisdom .. so if I look bad that dosen't mean my religion is bad .. but the fault is on mine .. and if you don't understand very well that doesn't mean your religion is bad .. so if want to talk about guilty then speak about oneself not speak about religion, now all these contents in this site you had talk about how can muslims defened oneself against colonization and to resist to get back rights to their owns ...

So nice to talk you guys and ready for further subjects ..
see ya ..

Does Islam promote or condone female circumcision? I mean, what's the deal? Why are Muslim mothers so intent on doing that? It's one of the degrading human practices in the world...

Why is there an intimation of double standard in Ismalic teachings regarding women's rights? Why does it sort of imply that if women are raped then women committed the crime of fornication and deserve capital punishment while if men rape, then it is simply an inherent lust that must be purified daily through prayer and cleansing? Why are women punished and not men? Why does it require that women not be allowed to go anywhere except with a male escort? What's the deal with all these infringements on the women?

PLEASE:

Stop derailing the thread. This is not a discussion of Islam. This is a discussion on naming various deities in all the world's religions and cultures from time immemorial to the present.

This is not a theological discussion.

This is a -list-. Most of those participating here are Atheists listing off the attributes of various deities.

whoa, what? But the title says "questions about Islam".... That's not what this thread is about??? Huh?

Wait - whoa. VERY sorry. Wrong thread! Let me delete that now.