Do you think many of these anti-(Iraqi)war "peace" demonstrators are motivated by morality or politics ?
Do you think they "really" care about the safety of U.S. troops and Iraqi citizens, or are they using their "concern" for deaths for political propoganda ?

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If they're so concerned about all the deaths, why aren't they protesting against all the radical muslims that are doing all the killing in Iraq ?
Why don't we see demonstations from these "peace" protestors asking the terrorists to stop all their killing ?

When a terrorist blows up a hundred people in Iraq, the "peace" protestors blame it on the U.S. and NOT the terrorist that did the mass killing. That's not motivated by politics ?
If they hate war so much, why aren't they going beserk over Russia's actions in Chechnya (which started before the Iraq war, and is still going on) ?

If they're so concerned about all the deaths, why aren't they protesting against all the radical muslims that are doing all the killing in Iraq ?

If they hate war so much, why aren't they going beserk over Russia's actions in Chechnya (which started before the Iraq war, and is still going on) ?

the killing is done in Iraq by US army as well...

Chechnya war has long ended.

the killing is done in Iraq by US army as well...

Chechnya war has long ended.

Oh really ?
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080410/104757694.html
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2007 is past year and "militants" is a localized group, there are less than 1000 of them left.

2007 is past year and "militants" is a localized group, there are less than 1000 of them left.

You can try down-playing it all you want, the fact of the matter is, while Russia's been in Chechnya longer than the U.S. has been in Iraq; anti-war "peace" demonstrators have shown little if any concern about it.

Protesting in the US can have an effect on the politics that sends troops to Iraq. Protesting the terrorists will have no effect at all. It's not that anti-Iraq war people object to the United States' actions exclusively, you can object to both, and I think most of them do.

Your implication that it's all about politics doesn't make sense. People wouldn't be Democrats in the first place if they didn't care about the least among us. I object to the Iraq War as well, and I have a friend over there. I do care wether he lives or dies. It's one thing to fight if we really have to, but another to do whatever it is we are doing in Iraq. I'm sure a small percentage of the anti-war protestors object to all war, they are pacifists.

And to add to spidergoat's solid points, US citizens protesting Russia's behavior in Chechnya would have no effect at all. There are certainly some, most ironically on the left, who do keep this in the news.

And to add to spidergoat's solid points, US citizens protesting Russia's behavior in Chechnya would have no effect at all. There are certainly some, most ironically on the left, who do keep this in the news.

Sure about that ?
How many protests have there been in Europe against the U.S. in Iraq since the war started ? Were they demonstrating because they thought it wouldn't have an effect on U.S. policy ? Are protestors trying to put out the olympic torch outside of China doing it because they think it won't have an effect on China ? :rolleyes:

I disagree, the anti-war "peace" protestors certainly could protest in the U.S. and in Europe against the terrorists in Iraq and elsewhere. They don't because they're more motivated in using war deaths (at the hands of terrrorists) against the U.S. Their motivations are political, not moral.
Not all of them, but I suspect most of them. Especially the ones hell-bent on blaming the U.S. for everything, and not the terrorists doing all the killing.

Wanting the US to stop unnecessary war is both a political goal and a moral decision. I see you have confused "against the US" with the proper term, "against the Bush administration".

Are you saying there were no European nations in the Coalition of the Willing? In any case, European governments are subject to political pressure. European heads of state attend Chinese Olympic ceremonies. To protest in Europe against Chine could have the effect of making European leaders stay home in order to put political pressure on China. For terrorists, having westerners object to their policies is expected, perhaps even enjoyed.

[QUOTE]Sure about that ?
How many protests have there been in Europe against the U.S. in Iraq since the war started ? Were they demonstrating because they thought it wouldn't have an effect on U.S. policy ?1) it hasn't. 2) they are allies whose opinions have a better chance of having an effect on a pretend democracy than hazy, new sort of allies on a government that openly does not listen to its people.

The amount of complicated interaction on a variety of levels between the US and Europe is something completely different than US citizenry trying to affect Russia. And even so it hasn't done shit.


Are protestors trying to put out the olympic torch outside of China doing it because they think it won't have an effect on China ? :rolleyes: Hello. Think again. Who are the protesters trying to affect. The West primarily. If a large portion of the west reacted and advocated for Tibet, they hope that would have an effect. And by the way. Is it working? Nah. But the Chinese certainly deserve to lose some face. Bunch of really boring but nevertheless mean dictators.

I disagree, the anti-war "peace" protestors certainly could protest in the U.S. and in Europe against the terrorists in Iraq and elsewhere. They don't because they're more motivated in using war deaths (at the hands of terrrorists) against the U.S. Their motivations are political, not moral.
Not all of them, but I suspect most of them. Especially the ones hell-bent on blaming the U.S. for everything, and not the terrorists doing all the killing.

Americans are defacto protesting against terrorists via the war on terrorism. Their tax dollars have amassed an enormous war machine to kill and stop terrorists. To run out on the streets and yell for the terrorists to stop is a joke. Also, it would have no effect. I mean not the tiniest. Oh, the Americans are mad that we are killing some of their soldiers. Oh, well, we'll stop. There's a snowball's chance in hell. Minor effects of the other kinds of protests are possible. The next president may pull out of Iraq earlier, for example.

And by the way, the protesters are not the ones who put the soldiers in harm's way. They protested BEFORE both wars, before conservatives and hawks made war on people with similar skin tone to the 9/11 terrorists and put our soldiers in situations where they have now been killed in numbers in excess of 9/11. VERY FEW PEOPLE GIVE A REAL SHIT ABOUT THE SOLDIERS in a feeling way. Some people have set it up so they will die, and these are the ones you side with.

Remember, Iraq is not in a state of civil war, it's an "ethno-secterian competition".