Jewish rightist: 'Finish Hitler's work, kill Ashkenazi Jews' (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/913888.html)
A right-wing Jewish extremist has been disseminating calls for the assassination of leftists and Ashkenazim on Internet sites in Israel and abroad.

The clip concludes: "Now, after you have seen these unclean Ashkenazim, how degraded the Ashkenazi race is, and what a pity it is that Hitler and Eichmann did not finish off the Ashkenazim, I ask of you: Search for information on Google about Stiven Malik; there 'the document' awaits you."

The document in question is also full of incitement to violence: "If only we, too, could finish what Hitler began by destroying all the Ashkenazim, the descendants of the Jews who betrayed Germany."
http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2007-10-18_025522_httpwww.students4democracy.orgsfdforumup loadsbrianfoleystudentsfordemocracy_2006-06-24_173040_smiley.gif.gif
Seems the Freemarket cuts in social spending that Israel has implemented has emptied out the contents of Israels Psychiatric Hospitals into the Streets .
[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/09/world/main3244699.shtml?source=RSSattr=World_3244699]Police Bust Israeli Neo-Nazi Ring[/URL]
In a case that would seem unthinkable in the Jewish state, police said Sunday they have cracked a cell of young Israeli neo-Nazis accused in a string of attacks on foreign workers, religious Jews, drug addicts and gays.
http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2007-10-18_025522_httpwww.students4democracy.orgsfdforumup loadsbrianfoleystudentsfordemocracy_2006-06-24_173040_smiley.gif.gif
Left to themselves Zionists would destroy themselves , as with all other Racist/Political ideologies such as Nazism and Zionism it requires outside foes to unite them. The divisions that exist inside Israel can only continue to cooperate while outside enemies are seen to exist.

word my brother

/salute

Hello Bri-Bri.

So the existence of lunatics within Israel...means that Israel will destroy themselves.

Congratulations. This thread is as Foleyed as the other ones.

oh geoffy geoffy
lil coochie woochie
whatever are we going to do with your hissy fitty's

word my brother

/salute
Cheers
So the existence of lunatics within Israel...
And the lunatics on the outside such as yourself .................

i am concerned about you geoff
perhaps an exposition on the methodology thru which you derived that particular extrapolation?

i mean
for the life of me
i simply..

/flounce

.cannot see that particular correlation even remotely implied in foley's post

And the lunatics on the outside such as yourself .................

?? That's all you've got? Your tin hat must be on too tight. Your post is a complete non-sequitur. It doesn't follow, Bri-Bri.

i am concerned about you geoff
perhaps an exposition on the methodology thru which you derived that particular extrapolation?

"Having a brain". Give it a stab.

Actually these neo-Nazis are Russian (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=296114&sw=neo-Nazi) in origin and are Israelis by virtue of the right of return granted to all Jews in Israel, including those whose grandparents were Jewish. Thats to counter the prevalent belief that the Muslims will outbreed the Jews; they'll probably make some changes now to this return policy to ensure that no more of second generation old Jews are imported without vetting.

geoffp

you refuse to explain yourself?

geoffp

you refuse to explain yourself?

Honestly, gustav, it would be difficult for me to be less concerned about your expectations. My answer's pretty clear.

on national security grounds i bet

on national security grounds i bet

Wow. You really are insane. Tell me, though: which secrety-secret office do I work out of?

i) FBI
ii) Mossad
iii) CIA
iv) NRO
v) NSA

I look forward with complete indifference to your response.

agent for the fbi
double agent for mossad

now
am i gonna have to rake you over the coals for your willful ignorance or will you take another crack at the post?

lemme drop a few clues

it is foolhardy to pinpoint and then go on to attribute a single cause as responsible for the decay and dissolution of civic society

foley is no fool
he presents....

*extremists
*neo nazis
*homeless
*lunatics

you pick one
and misrepresent

to ridicule

/shocked at geoffy geoffs conduct

i hope this forum is aware that a distaste for zionism does not necessitate a corresponding distaste toward the jewish people

if one were to critique the op...

arright foley
so the rot starts from within
tired
old

/yawn

thread dead

unless foley...?

http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2007-10-18_025522_httpwww.students4democracy.orgsfdforumup loadsbrianfoleystudentsfordemocracy_2006-06-24_173040_smiley.gif.gif
Seems the Freemarket cuts in social spending that Israel has implemented has emptied out the contents of Israels Psychiatric Hospitals into the Streets .

http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2007-10-18_025522_httpwww.students4democracy.orgsfdforumup loadsbrianfoleystudentsfordemocracy_2006-06-24_173040_smiley.gif.gif
Left to themselves Zionists would destroy themselves , as with all other Racist/Political ideologies such as Nazism and Zionism it requires outside foes to unite them. The divisions that exist inside Israel can only continue to cooperate while outside enemies are seen to exist.

sounds like you found your soul mate foley.

Actually these neo-Nazis are Russian (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=296114&sw=neo-Nazi) in origin and are Israelis by virtue of the right of return granted to all Jews in Israel, including those whose grandparents were Jewish. Thats to counter the prevalent belief that the Muslims will outbreed the Jews; they'll probably make some changes now to this return policy to ensure that no more of second generation old Jews are imported without vetting.

those are different cases....russian jews are ashekenazim. the russian nazi jews shouldnt even be a headline.

agent for the fbi
double agent for mossad

now
am i gonna have to rake you over the coals for your willful ignorance or will you take another crack at the post?

/shocked at geoffy geoffs conduct

Are you still around? I'm amazed I never really noticed you before. Anyway, Foley uses the example of an actual insane minority in Israel to attempt to paint the entire state as bad, which is absurd in the extreme. (Especially as compared to legal societal discrimination.) So: be shocked. I guarantee to shock you much, much further.

Rake away. (chortle) :D

i hope this forum is aware that a distaste for zionism does not necessitate a corresponding distaste toward the jewish people

Oh, don't worry: I'm sure your secret message was received loud and clear, even without the special ********** decoder rings. ;) Unfortunately for you, Gus, I don't share it.

Your post is a complete non-sequitur.
Various Jewish sects turning on one another demonstrating disunity as a result of no credible outside or internal threat to unite them in a common cause leading to its own demise is an illogical conclusion ? What else would I expect from an individual who habitually contradicts himself .
thread dead

unless foley...?
Just getting warmed up .
sounds like you found your soul mate foley.
Any comments on the above threads contents ? You know Kosher/Nazi skinheads attacking olive skinned Israelis or Jews wishing the reincarnation of Eichman to finish the Job on other Jews . I mean this time its not the pro Zionist press that is sensationalizing some Arab commentators pro Nazi statement or exploiting an anti Jewish Nazi comment from Louis Farrakhan this is over the top , any comment ?

Various Jewish sects turning on one another demonstrating disunity as a result of no credible outside or internal threat to unite them in a common cause leading to its own demise is an illogical conclusion ? What else would I expect from an individual who habitually contradicts himself .

Foley, if internal dissent in a free society is indicative of imminent self-destruction, how does that jive with the voices in your head? Surely some of them don't feel the same way you do about things. Does this mean you're due for your own demise?

(Please?)

Ugh, the "habitual contradiction" thing again. :yawn:

Any comments on the above threads contents ? You know Kosher/Nazi skinheads attacking olive skinned Israelis or Jews wishing the reincarnation of Eichman to finish the Job on other Jews .

Lunatics. They occur in every society. Even Australia, apparently.

I mean this time its not the pro Zionist press that is sensationalizing some Arab commentators pro Nazi statement or exploiting an anti Jewish Nazi comment from Louis Farrakhan

Are the above comments the official or unofficial policy of Israel? No. Is dhimmitude the official or unofficial policy of every nation in dar-al-islam? Yep. Ask Sam if you don't believe me. She'll be happy to show you a tafsir of Sura 9 from the Muslim Students Association that illustrates what political islamic manifest destiny is really all about.

It seems by this string and others- You're the biggest anti-semite here.

The vast majority of Jewish anti-semites ARE on the Left and in fact several write for the source you quoted/Ha'aretz.. ie, but not limited to, Gideon Levy and Amira Hass, whose work can be found on most Hate sites on the internet.

Comparing Zionism to Naziism is Officially anti-semitism according to the EU Commission-- as well as being Ridculous.

Why is only ONE National movement Racist according to your Screeds.

Are you the same Foley whose crap appears on Radical 'counterpunch'?

I think he borrowed the moniker. That Foley can write at least.

The neo-Nazis are not a small problem in Israel

http://www.google.com/search?q=neo-Nazism+in+Israel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a



Israel wants to maintain its image as a refuge from anti-Semitism and neo-Nazism, so they don't want to publicize anything that would go against that image ...

The neo-Nazis are not a small problem in Israel

http://www.google.com/search?q=neo-Nazism+in+Israel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


I went to the First Google link- and the story it referred to:


Police: Israel has dozens of neo-Nazis

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411375152&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

I would call it Unfortunate but indeed a "small problem"... if very Newsworthy only because there are any at all in the Jewish State. The Rest of the 'West' has plenty more/thousands?.. like here in the USA (or EU) and it's not a big problem here either.

Foley, if internal dissent in a free society is indicative of imminent self-destruction,
The free society which locks up some 3.5 million Palestinians into walled ghettoes .
Ugh, the "habitual contradiction" thing again. :yawn:
Unaware of his habiyual contradictions even after several posters have pulled him up on it , hmmmmm another telling clue of Geoffs insanity .
Are the above comments the official or unofficial policy of Israel? No.
Lets see , a Jewish State (Ein Volk) for the Jewish people (Ein Volk)
Law of Return (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return) ahhh yes .
Is dhimmitude the official or unofficial policy of every nation in dar-al-islam? Yep.
As opposed to Israels lethal version of dhimmitude ?
Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Establishment_of_the_State_of_I srael)
the Land of Israel, was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained to statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books.

The free society which locks up some 3.5 million Palestinians into walled ghettoes .

Really? I could swear Gazans have only one border with Israel (like West Bankers) and one with Egypt and The Mediterranean.
Kinda hard to lock em in with only one side Fooley.


Lets see , a Jewish State (Ein Volk) for the Jewish people (Ein Volk)
Law of Return (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return) ahhh yes .
Israel's 'Right of Return' is an INTERNAL Invitation not a an International Right.
When there's a 'Palestine' no doubt all 'Palestinians' (including Egyptians like Arafat, and Edward Said) will be welcome there .. too.


As opposed to Israels lethal version of dhimmitude ?
Israel, unlike ALL it's Oppressive neighbors, is the place where people of Every Race, Religion, and Gender (male, female, Gay), Vote, Worship, and walk the streets without fear.

Including the Palestinians who used to live there?

Kinda hard to lock em in with only one side Fooley.
Wrong
Israel reserves right to control Gaza border (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_13_29/ai_n15627691)
JERUSALEM -- Israel will continue monitoring all traffic in and out of Gaza even after its withdrawal from the coastal strip, the defence minister recently declared, ruling out the possibility that foreign inspectors could replace Israeli guards, giving the Palestinians their own "gate to the world."
Gaza is locked tighter than a steel drum .
Israel's 'Right of Return' is an INTERNAL Invitation not a an International Right.
All Jews have the right to recieve Israeli citizenship when Israel has laws that strips non - Jews of Israeli citizenship .
Israel Strips Citizenship From Arab Suspect (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01E7DD1631F933A2575AC0A9649C8B 63&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/C/Citizenship)
Civil rights advocates called Mr. Yishai's move an act of discrimination against Israel's one million Arab citizens, noting that no Israeli Jew convicted of a serious security offense had ever been stripped of citizenship.
Israel for Jews only The Law of Return grants automatic citizenship to Jews from anywhere in the world .
Israel, unlike ALL it's Oppressive neighbors, is the place where people of Every Race, Religion, and Gender (male, female, Gay), Vote, Worship, and walk the streets without fear.
B U L L S H I T
Every Race
Wrong Israel actively operates against Blacks .
Ethiopian Black Jews Denounce Racist Israeli minister (http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/ethiopian-black-jews-denounce-racist-israeli-minister/)
Israel’s interior minister faces accusations of racism after he suggested suspending the policy of allowing Ethiopians with Jewish ancestry to move to the country.
Religion
Wrong Israel actively persecutes Christians .
Christians Discriminated Against by Israel (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html)
On Dec. 29, 1977, Christians in Israel and the occupied territories protested a new law passed by the Israeli parliament making it illegal for missionaries to proselytize Jews.
Gender
Wrtong Israel allows a Gender segregated public transport system to operate .
Israel's 'modesty buses' draw fire (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6584661.stm)
"This really is about positive discrimination, in women's favour. Our religion says there should be no public contact between men and women, this modesty barrier must not be broken."
Gay
Israeli Same Sex Couples Denied Rights (http://gay.propeller.com/story/2007/08/30/israeli-same-sex-couples-may-be-denied-rights)
Gay & Lesbian – Under pressure from religious parties in the Knesset, Israel's Justice Minister has reportedly revised a draft law on inheritance law for cohabitating unmarried couples to specifically exclude gay and lesbian couples.
Vote, Worship, and walk the streets without fear.
But not in Israel .
I will rarely if ever Respond to Prolific-but-Empty-43-post-a-day S.A.M. and his incoherent one-line last wording. He's NOT a serious participant of this board- just omnipresent - like flies and mosquitos.
You dont answer Sam because you lack the intellect as well as being racist .

Wrong
One word. Nonanswer

Gaza is locked tighter than a steel drum .
You must be referring to it's Wall with..... EGYPT.
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060104/060104_gaza_wall_hmed.hmedium.jpg

http://burning.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/palestineegyptnoborders0.jpg

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/09/16/battling_wideweb__430x291.jpg
A Palestinian boy peeps through a hole in the border wall between the Rafah refugee camp, in the southern Gaza Strip, and Egypt.
Photo: AP
By Golly your right, it does look like a Big "Steel Drum"!


Israel for Jews only The Law of Return grants automatic citizenship to Jews from anywhere in the world .
Yeah so?
Other religions and peoples come to and live in Israel as well.

Wrong Israel actively operates against Blacks .
Naturally, and you have the details of course.
Most anti-semites try the other side- Jews are too liberal and help the Blacks.
It's so confusing!


Wrong Israel actively persecutes Christians .
Naturally, and you have the details of this as well.
LOL



Wrtong Israel allows a Gender segregated public transport system to operate .Not nearly a full answer to muy much larger Claim and also mostly wrong. Though no doubt sonme discrimination exists somewhere.
But not a fraction of what lets say the Copts have to deal with in even 'moderate' egypt.


You dont answer Sam because you lack the intellect as well as being racist .
I'm making a Joke of you in Two strings junior and can and have debated this topic with people far more knowledgable than you... and they didn't even fare well.

One word. Nonanswer
Non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel .
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=39&x_context=2

Car license plates in Israel are colour coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews.
Apartheid in Israel, (http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/421)

Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0716/p08s02-comv.html

Non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel .
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=39&x_context=2

The article you Linked rebuts that wonder boy - not asserts it. Try again.
You linking to CAMERA! You must be confused.
But feel free to use it often. I do.
They're always accurate.


Car license plates in Israel are colour coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews.
Apartheid in Israel, (http://www.wakeupfromyourslummer.com/node/421)
Israel is a War Zone due to Arab terrorism. There are many Inconveniences like 'Humiliating' Checkpoints and others to stop it.

Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?
http://www.csmontor.com/2002/0716/p08s02-comv.html
If it was, I wouldn't blame it.

How'd ya like my wall pictures Father Coughlin?

Got em Locked in there tight do they?

abu_afak

Keep em coming Father Coughlin. I OWN you

if you hang out here for a while, your analytical skills should improve
you will eventually look back at first posts and

in your particular case...

..die of shame and embarrassment.

ahh the formative years
ahh the aoler venturing out into a dark and mystifying cyberspace

all by his lonesome self
tho armed with an abundance of bluster, umpteen rounds of fallacies and a gung ho attitude powering it alll

you fail to convince
bolding declarations makes it even more so

now run along, boy
its past your bedtime

oh
have you declared victory yet?
you will

The article you Linked rebuts that wonder boy - not asserts it. Try again.
Sorry wrong link I will correct it .
Israel eyes barring of land sale to non-Jews (http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/2007/08/israel-eyes-barring-of-land-sale-to-non.html)
For nearly five decades, JNF land has been made available for purchase through the government-run Israel Lands Authority, which has given the JNF nearly half the seats on its board and honored the fund's policy of selling only to Jews.
As of today it is still reserved for Jewish ownership :
In Watershed, Israel Deems Land-use Rules of Zionist Icon ‘Discriminatory’ (http://www.forward.com/articles/2854/)
The chairman of JNF told the Forward that his organization is in talks to sever its official relationship with the state in order to preserve its mission of protecting the land for Jews.

“The state is obliged to treat all its citizens equally,” Chairman Yehiel Leket said, “but we are not the state.”
I rest my case .

T
Israel is a War Zone due to Arab terrorism.

a mindless soundbite
intellectually that is

a useful one for propagandizing tho

perhaps a little glimpse on a variant is in order

lemme look up some of ole ari's assertions
gotta warn tho
have barf bags on the ready

i'll have the noose

Apparently even Jews don't like Jews. Go figure. :P

Are you still around? I'm amazed I never really noticed you before. Anyway, Foley uses the example of an actual insane minority in Israel to attempt to paint the entire state as bad, which is absurd in the extreme. (Especially as compared to legal societal discrimination.) So: be shocked. I guarantee to shock you much, much further.

Rake away. (chortle) :D



Oh, don't worry: I'm sure your secret message was received loud and clear, even without the special ********** decoder rings. ;) Unfortunately for you, Gus, I don't share it.


thanks
you aint so bad after all.

a rant, logically consistent, factually based, will have to be tolerated
kindly allow
since it appears inevitable that fascism is rapidly jackbooting its way back towards governance

be humane
i beg of you

Apparently even Jews don't like Jews. Go figure. :P

as with most societies, the harshest critics are found within it
it is ground zero
the impact is immediate and far from an abstraction

my comrades, my brothers in arms, with incomparable mad crazy skillz, take the art of dissent to new heights

watch
learn
and try to keep up

Sorry wrong link I will correct it .

Too late.

In 1960 under Basic Law: Israel Lands, JNF-owned land and government-owned land were together defined as "Israel lands," and the principle was laid down that such land would be leased rather than sold. The JNF retained ownership of its land, but administrative responsibility for the JNF land, and also for government-owned land, passed to a newly created agency called the Israel Land Administration or ILA. (Encyclopaedia Judaica, V 10, p. 77)

...

2. Jewish and Arab Access to Government-Owned Land in Israel

Statements that Israel refuses to sell state-owned land to Israeli Arabs are extremely misleading, since, as stated above, such land is not sold to Israeli Jews either, but is instead leased out by the ILA and is equally available to all citizens of Israel.

The availability of state-owned land to Israeli Arabs is true not just in theory, but also in practice. For example, about half of the land farmed by Israeli-Arabs is leased from the ILA. (Legal Status of the Arabs in Israel, Westview Press, p. 66, 1990)

Moreover, sometimes Israeli Arabs receive more favorable terms from the ILA than do Israeli Jews. Thus, for example, in new Jewish communities near Beersheva the ILA charged $24,000 for a capital lease on a quarter of an acre, while at the same time Bedouin families in the nearby community of Rahat paid only $150 for the same amount of land. (Israel's Dilemma, Shapolsky Publications, p. 97, 1989)

In another case a Jewish citizen applied to the ILA to lease land in a new Bedouin community under the same favorable, highly subsidized terms available to the Bedouins.

and

4. Private Land in Israel

Contrary to many press reports, there are no restrictions on the purchase of private land in Israel by Israeli Arabs or by non-citizens. Such land can be, and has been, purchased by Israeli Arabs and by foreigners, including Arab foreigners.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=39&x_context=2

By contrast:

Following statements by PA Justice Minister Freih Abu Meddein and by Chairman Yasir Arafat that Palestinians found to have sold land to Jews will face the death penalty, at least 4 Palestinian land dealers said to have been involved in such sales were murdered. Another was rescued by Israeli forces as he was being spirited to Ramallah by Palestinian agents. In addition, there are reports that the PA has formed a secret force called "The Long Arm" to execute Palestinians living abroad who sold land in "Palestine" to Jews.

and

Therefore, what should we call those from our nation who serve Israel's policy of stripping property? We are talking about a few traitors and we will apply what has been determined by law against them. (Yasir Arafat in Yediot Ahranot, 21 May 1997)

There's also a Jordanian law prohibiting Jews from owning land. Your follow post seems to be a bit misled.

As of today it is still reserved for Jewish ownership :

Your case - predictably - falters again. The recent - and seemingly illegal - machinations of a private land ownership group do not equate, as you inevitably imply, to all Israel.

I rest my case .

Rather, your case has come to rest, despite fervent prodding.

So much fighting, and for WHAT? They are kidding themselves, kidding themselves, dissilusounment. Pawns, thats all.

Too late.
No its not as I said it was a mistake ,this was the Guardian article I read , but inadvertenly placed the URL of Camera .
The Guardian : Worlds apart (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1703245,00.html)
Israeli governments reserved 93% of the land - often expropriated from Arabs without compensation - for Jews through state ownership, the Jewish National Fund and the Israeli Lands Authority.
I also read the CAMERA article to be sure , however you taking the word of CAMERA is predictable you took the word of MEMRI .

We will just go straight to the The Israel Land Administration site itself to verify that 93% statistic of Jewish land ownership .
The Israel Land Administration (http://www.mmi.gov.il/Envelope/indexeng.asp?page=/static/eng/f_general.html)
93% of the land in Israel is in the public domain; that is, either property of the state, the Jewish National Fund (JNF) or the Development Authority.
The Israel Land Administration (ILA) is the government agency responsible for managing this land which comprises 4,820,500 acres (19,508,000 dunams). "Ownership" of real estate in Israel usually means leasing rights from the ILA for 49 or 98 years.
As you can see that 93% of Israel is set aside for Jews .

And as of today the ILA and JNF still do not sell land to non-Jews .
High Court delays ruling on JNF land sales to non-Jews (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/906704.html)
The High Court of Justice on Monday delayed its ruling on whether the Jewish National Fund should be obligated to sell its land to non-Jews by at least four months, in order to give the JNF time to reach an agreement with the Attorney General.

The JNF asked the court to delay the ruling, after JNF and Israel Lands Association representatives agreed last Thursday to temporarily implement a proposal by Attorney General Menachem Mazuz that JNF lands be marketed to any potential customer, without discrimination based on ethnicity.

In exchange, any time JNF land is sold to a non-Jew, the ILA will compensate it with other land, thereby ensuring that the overall amount of Jewish-owned land in Israel remains the same.
In other words if the JNF is forced to sell to non-Jews it will be compensated with land expropiated from Arabs as below .
ILA leasing Arab-owned land in J'lem to Ateret Cohanim (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/895136.html)
The Israel Lands Administration (ILA) is working together with the Ateret Cohanim association to wrest from Palestinian landowners control of 30 dunams (7.5 acres) of land in East Jerusalem and to transfer it to the association without a tender.
Could you provide me with evidence that either the Jewish National Fund and the Israeli Lands Authority has opened for sale land reserved for Jewish ownership to be sold to non-Jews .
There's also a Jordanian law prohibiting Jews from owning land. Your follow post seems to be a bit misled.
No there is not :
The US State Department : Jordan (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2006/71424.htm)
The Government does not impose restrictions on Jews, and they are permitted to own property and conduct business in the country.
Straightforward .
Your case - predictably - falters again. The recent - and seemingly illegal - machinations of a private land ownership group do not equate, as you inevitably imply, to all Israel.
And once again you are auto fellating yourself .

Any comments on the above threads contents ? You know Kosher/Nazi skinheads attacking olive skinned Israelis or Jews wishing the reincarnation of Eichman to finish the Job on other Jews . I mean this time its not the pro Zionist press that is sensationalizing some Arab commentators pro Nazi statement or exploiting an anti Jewish Nazi comment from Louis Farrakhan this is over the top , any comment ?

that ass holes like you come in all colors.

What's worse. Foley after having Read the TRUTH on CAMERA, posted lies and Mischaracterized it.

Too bad for Him he posted the Link.
I was shocked to see an Anti-Israeler like Father Coughlin here post CAMERA.

So for those who want the true story- not Brian one-sentence Intentional MIScharacterizations..
I suggest you read that Link

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=39&x_context=2

Jesus Foley you got your ass beat with this one, the Death Penality for selling land? to a Jew. Yes the Palestinians are so forgiving and understanding.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_ar...39&x_context=2

Foley, speaking of Nazis would you light the ovens again?

I think that qualifies as a hate post.

edit: I see Buffalo has qualified his opinion, and is now accusing a member of being a Nazi

this now qualifies as insulting members post; or invoking Godwin's law http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/images/smilies/hitler.gif

SpAM your right, Foleys post do qualify as a hate post.

No its not as I said it was a mistake ,this was the Guardian article I read , but inadvertenly placed the URL of Camera .

Toooo late! Hehe. :D

I also read the CAMERA article to be sure , however you taking the word of CAMERA is predictable you took the word of MEMRI .

Well, MEMRI was correct. Almost a 0% error rate, really, whereas most of your points and their links - probably 60% or higher - are in error. Of all the posters on the site, you're the one with the highest rate for handing ammunition right to me - no lie.

We will just go straight to the The Israel Land Administration site itself to verify that 93% statistic of Jewish land ownership .

As you can see that 93% of Israel is set aside for Jews .

??? :confused: Your link says nothing of the kind. Is this another bluff?

And as of today the ILA and JNF still do not sell land to non-Jews .

This is a falsehood, as the CAMERA site indicated. They do indeed sell land to non-Jews. Please refrain from cluttering the site up with falsity. Thankyou.

In other words if the JNF is forced to sell to non-Jews it will be compensated with land expropiated from Arabs as below .

Now, this article is from Haaretz. I would love to be able to accept it, but someone impugned Haaretz earlier as some kind of Zionist propaganda machine:

Interesting choice of words that the Zionist propaganda matrix Haaretz employs to describe HAMAS’s situation.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1437201&postcount=1

In any event: this is the case of a private trust, not a public ministry.

Could you provide me with evidence that either the Jewish National Fund and the Israeli Lands Authority has opened for sale land reserved for Jewish ownership to be sold to non-Jews .

Yes. The CAMERA site you linked earlier described several cases.

No there is not :

I have it from Yasser Arafish himself that there most certainly is. See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victor_falk/Segregation_in_Jordan

Straightforward .

It certainly was. I thank you. :D

SpAM your right, Foleys post do qualify as a hate post.

Generally speaking.

What I love is that both of Foleys post show that the Israelis do not discriminate against Arabs in Land ownership, and that they voted down a proposal that would have limited land sales to Jews only, does Foley suffer from RIS, you bet he does!

Well, MEMRI was correct. Almost a 0% error rate, really, whereas most of your points and their links - probably 60% or higher - are in error.
No you just simply wont accept anything that contradicts your claims , like your translation claims of the HAMAS mickey mouse debacle .
Of all the posters on the site, you're the one with the highest rate for handing ammunition right to me - no lie.
Nah mate I got you trumped your self soiling remember your "Islamic blood libel" tangent ?
This is a falsehood, as the CAMERA site indicated. They do indeed sell land to non-Jews. Please refrain from cluttering the site up with falsity. Thankyou.
The CAMERA story was from 1997 lets fast forward to 2007 :
Bill allocating JNF land to Jews only passes preliminary reading (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/883536.html)
The Knesset plenum approved a bill Wednesday, in its preliminary reading, which calls for all lands under the Jewish National Fund (JNF) to be allocated to Jews only. The bill passed by a massive majority of 64 MKS to 16.
Endorsed 64-16 in the Knesset the bill allows the Israel Lands Authority to continue its refusal to lease land owned by the Jewish National Fund to non-Jews
JNF to suspend Jewish-land-only policy (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411468814&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)
The High Court of Justice on Monday agreed to postpone by three months the scheduled hearing of three petitions attacking the government's policy of selling Jewish National Fund-owned land to Jews only.

Another 3 months ! So according to these September 2007 articles Non-Jews are still excluded , could show me what legislation has been enacted by the Knesset in the past month allowing land sales to non-Jews ?
Now, this article is from Haaretz. I would love to be able to accept it, but someone impugned Haaretz earlier as some kind of Zionist propaganda machine:
Entirely up to you whether you accept it or not .
In any event: this is the case of a private trust, not a public ministry.
The public ministry of the Israel Lands Authority administers all JNF-owned land .
I have it from Yasser Arafish himself that there most certainly is. See also:
Alan Dershowitz Ahahahahahaaha x 5 minutes !!!
The US State Department : Jordan (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2006/71424.htm)
The Government does not impose restrictions on Jews, and they are permitted to own property and conduct business in the country.
Thats from your beloved US State Department .

Foley i have a question for you about;

The US State Department : Jordan
The Government does not impose restrictions on Jews, and they are permitted to own property and conduct business in the country.

Estonia is number 50 of the top fifty populations of Jews by country, 1,818 Jewish citizens, which is 0.136% of their population, which is <0.5% of the Jews in the world, so how many Jews live in Jordan?

Foley i have a question for you about;
Or in other words in Arab Jordan simply has no law that prohibits Jews from owning land , selling land , conducting business inside Jordan nor preventing the freedom of movement of Jews as Jordan itself is a popular tourist destination for Jews .

Now how does the US State departments assessment compare with Geoffs Wikipedia article authoured by a wikipedia user :
User:Victor falk/Segregation in Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victor_falk/Segregation_in_Jordan)
Banning sale of land to Jews and Israelis

In 1973, under the direct instructions of King Hussein, the government of Jordan passed the 'Law for Preventing the Sale of Immoveable Property to the Enemy' — with the "enemy" defined as "any man or judicial body of Israeli citizenship living in Israel or acting on its behalf".

In 1995, following the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan, the Jordanian Parliament repealed the 1973 law which mandated the death penalty for those selling land to Jews. In its place, milder statutes were adopted that still effectively bar Israelis from purchasing or leasing land in Jordan.[6]

In March 2007, Jordan arrested two Arabs suspected of selling a house in Hebron to Israelis.[7]

[edit] Law against Jewish citizenship

Jordan has a law explicitly prohibiting any Jew from becoming a citizen.[8] Jordan's laws against Jewish residence has been described by Benjamin Natanyahu[9] and Alan Dershowitz[10] as apartheid.

So my question to you is this who do you believe Victor falk's unfounded article or the US State Department ?

Referring back to the first post of the thread, GeoffP is completely correct. It is a simple logical fallacy to extrapolate the views of an entire nation from a lunatic fringe group within that nation.

This is a step beyond the stupidity of claiming that all Americans are fat just because a certain proportion of the population is fat, for example.

BTW Folley, I find the Title Post Offensive and Blatantly anti-semitic with "Kosher Nazis".
For context/to-check and be fair, one need only read a few weeks of your posts. (or any one days in fact)

As to your Latest Crap...


What about land? Does Israel discriminate against Arabs owning land?

While often repeated, the assertion that Arabs cannot obtain land in Israel is based on misconception, error and Outright Invention. In fact, most of the land in Israel is government-owned, and it is equally available to all Israelis, whether Jewish or Arab.

History of Land Ownership in Israel

In order to purchase land for the resettlement of Jews in their ancient homeland, the Fifth Zionist Congress (1901) created a private charitable organization called the Jewish National Fund (JNF). Before the State of Israel was established in 1948, land purchased by the JNF was not resold but was instead leased out on a long-term basis to create kibbutzim and other forms of Jewish settlement.

After 1948 state-owned lands formerly in the possession of British Mandatory Authorities, together with property abandoned by Arab refugees, passed into the control of the new Israeli government. Some of this land was sold by the government to the JNF, which had developed expertise in reclaiming and developing waste and barren lands and making them productive.

In 1960 under Basic Law: Israel Lands, JNF-owned land and government-owned land were together defined as "Israel lands," and the principle was laid down that such land would be leased rather than sold. The JNF retained ownership of its land, but administrative responsibility for the JNF land, and also for government-owned land, passed to a newly created agency called the Israel Land Administration or ILA.

Of the total land in Israel in 1997, the Israel Government Press Office statistics say 79.5% is owned by the government, 14% is Privately owned by the JNF, and the rest, around 6.5%, is evenly divided between private Arab and Jewish owners. Thus, the ILA administers 93.5% of the land in Israel.

Who can access Israel Land Administration (ILA) land?

The crux of the issue then, is who can actually access the land that is almost completely controlled by the ILA? The statement that "Arabs cannot buy land in Israel" is largely true, but MEANINGLESS since Jews cannot buy land either, bound by the same ILA restrictions.

In actual practice, ILA lands are Leased and BOTH Arab and Jewish citizens of Israel have equal access. Some classes of Arab citizens, e.g. Bedouins, have been the beneficiaries of highly subsidized land programs in Israel, so beneficial that Jews have gone to court to try to get the same terms. Affirmative action programs for Bedouins have been upheld by Jewish courts to the detriment of Jewish citizens.

Special case of the Jewish National Fund (JNF) land

JNF land, even when managed by the Israeli government, is restricted by the formal charter of the JNF. The purpose of the JNF was to purchase land for the settlement of Jews, and this has been interpreted to mean that JNF land should not be leased, at least on a long-term basis, to non-Jews. The agreement that placed the JNF land under government administration incorporates the restriction.

In practice, however, JNF land has been leased to Arab citizens of Israel, both for short-term and long-term use such as leases on a yearly basis to Bedouins for use as pasture. In other cases, JNF land has been traded for other, unrestricted, land so it can be leased to Arabs.

Private land in Israel

There are no restrictions on private land transfers in Israel. Private land can be purchased or leasaed by Israeli Arabs or by non-citizens. Such land can be, and has been, purchased by Israeli Arabs and by foreigners, including Arab foreigners.

The Israeli government has announced plans to privatize much of Israel's state-owned land and offer cheap building permits to Israelis willing to move to less-desirable parts of the country, away from the crowded central area.

Contrast with Arab Policies

The relatively unrestricted access to land in Israel is in sharp contrast with Arab policies. During the 1948-1967 Jordanian occupation of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), for example, Jews were forbidden to live there under pain of death. In 1973, under the direct instructions of King Hussein, the government of Jordan passed the Law for Preventing the Sale of Immoveable Property to the Enemy. The "enemy" defined in Article 2 as:

... any man or judicial body [corporation] of Israeli citizenship living in Israel or acting on its behalf.
This law, or equivalent, continued in effect under the Palestinian Authority (PA). By 1997, 172 people had been sentenced to death under this law, although "only" about 10 have been executed. The law is invalid under the Oslo II agreement and is one of the many violations of the Oslo peace process agreements by the PA. Palestinian land dealers in PA controlled areas have been murdered as "collaborators", a practice that was publically condoned by Yasser Arafat.

In 1995, following the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan, the Jordanian Parliament repealed the 1973 law and replaced it with milder statutes that still effectively bar Israelis from purchasing or leasing land in Jordan.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_israel_land.php

Referring back to the first post of the thread, GeoffP is completely correct. It is a simple logical fallacy to extrapolate the views of an entire nation from a lunatic fringe group within that nation.

This is a step beyond the stupidity of claiming that all Americans are fat just because a certain proportion of the population is fat, for example.
It's Much more Egrregious than that and your poor analogy.
1/3 of Americans are Obese.
In the case of Neonazi Israelis, we are talking a Few Dozen; a small Criminal element.

Which as you and the other poster point out.... Brian Gladly, but Perversely, extrapolates to compare Zionism to Naziism and says it will self-destruct.

Referring back to the first post of the thread, GeoffP is completely correct. It is a simple logical fallacy to extrapolate the views of an entire nation from a lunatic fringe group within that nation.
This is a step beyond the stupidity of claiming that all Americans are fat just because a certain proportion of the population is fat, for example.
Why dont you just get it over with and permanently ban everyone on this forum who criticizes Israel . Your moderating is too much in posters faces , its stifling to say the least .
[size=2]BTW Folley, I find the Title Post Offensive and Blatantly anti-semitic with "Kosher Nazis".
I find it highly accurate .
As to your Latest Crap...
You mean the Crap that :
Bill allocating JNF land to Jews only passes preliminary reading (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/883536.html)
The Knesset plenum approved a bill Wednesday, in its preliminary reading, which calls for all lands under the Jewish National Fund (JNF) to be allocated to Jews only. The bill passed by a massive majority of 64 MKS to 16.
Endorsed 64-16 in the Knesset the bill allows the Israel Lands Authority to continue its refusal to lease land owned by the Jewish National Fund to non-Jews
JNF to suspend Jewish-land-only policy (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411468814&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)
The High Court of Justice on Monday agreed to postpone by three months the scheduled hearing of three petitions attacking the government's policy of selling Jewish National Fund-owned land to Jews only.

Another 3 months ! So according to these September 2007 articles Non-Jews are still excluded , could show me what legislation has been enacted by the Knesset in the past month allowing land sales to non-Jews ?
And as to Jordan :
The US State Department : Jordan (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2006/71424.htm)
The Government does not impose restrictions on Jews, and they are permitted to own property and conduct business in the country.

And to recap about Israels control of Gaza :

Israel still in control of Gaza, says envoy (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1599840,00.html)
Israel has almost entirely sealed off the Gaza Strip since its withdrawal on September 12. Hundreds of Palestinian workers who used to enter Israel each day via the Erez crossing in the north are not now allowed to do so, and the Karni cargo crossing has been closed, except to allow Israelis to import palm leaves for Jewish religious ceremonies earlier this month.
Israel's 'invisible hand' still controls Gaza, says report (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1293105.ece)
The organisation says that Israel’s control over Gaza’s borders, airspace, territorial waters, population registry, tax system and supply of goods means that it cannot absolve itself of responsibility for its citizens under international law.
What Planet did you drop from ?

Long... looks even categorical.
But Does NOT rebut a single thing I posted in that article. You just repeat your self because you have NO answers.
Nor do you even deny "kosher Nazi" is anti-semitic, just affirm "accurate"- and something you Extrapolated to the whole Zionist state from a few wack jobs.
Like the USA is represented by Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer. (thats the better analogy James R).
A very Dishonest piece of 'debate'.

Typically bad try Father Coughlin.

EDIT.
I'd just like to add.
IF I started a string with the above article- as informational and/or challenging to common Wisdom//Being able to take the offense.
JamesR would have taken it down.

Instead Israel Bashing headlines are the Rule while, Pro-Israel headlines (Like "Anti-zionists but we have nothing against the Jews as such") are boring "Propaganda".
Defense only.

No you just simply wont accept anything that contradicts your claims , like your translation claims of the HAMAS mickey mouse debacle .

What, that it was translated by at least two independent sources and that the meaning was the same both times? I'm not sure you know what an AK-47 is.

Nah mate I got you trumped your self soiling remember your "Islamic blood libel" tangent ?

...what? That it occurs on Syrian and Egyptian TV? One can only wonder what comes out on "SaudiScope".

The CAMERA story was from 1997 lets fast forward to 2007 :

Sure; because we've established that your claims were false for the period at least until then.

Entirely up to you whether you accept it or not .

Yes, but before you said that Haaretz was a propaganda paper. Now, however, all is absolved, apparently. Why is that? :shrug:

The public ministry of the Israel Lands Authority administers all JNF-owned land .

In your frothing zeal, you seem to have missed:

The High Court of Justice on Monday agreed to postpone by three months the scheduled hearing of three petitions attacking the government's policy of selling Jewish National Fund-owned land to Jews only. In the meantime, the Israel Lands Authority (ILA,) which administers state- and JNF-owned land, and the JNF are to work out a policy which will allegedly not discriminate against the Israeli Arab community.

In a brief presented to the court on Sunday, the state announced that Attorney-General Menahem Mazuz had brokered a temporary agreement between the ILA and the JNF which will be in effect during the three months before a final agreement between the two institutions is reached.

"The state and the JNF aim, during a period of time which will not exceed three months, to reach a comprehensive agreement that will provide for large-scale exchanges of land between the ILA and the state in such a way as to enable the ILA to maintain the principle of equality in administering Israeli land," wrote the state's representative, Attorney Osnat Mandel.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411468814&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

The title should probably have been a tip-off: JNF to suspend Jewish-land-only policy. We look before we leap, Brian. You also didn't notice the 2004 ruling.

Thats from your beloved US State Department .

...I'm sorry - is it beloved by me? I had no idea. I'll write that down.

Unfortunately, it's kind of trumped by this:

In 1973, under the direct instructions of King Hussein, the government of Jordan passed the Law for Preventing the Sale of Immoveable Property to the Enemy. The "enemy" defined in Article 2 as:

... any man or judicial body [corporation] of Israeli citizenship living in Israel or acting on its behalf.

This law, or equivalent, continued in effect under the Palestinian Authority (PA). By 1997, 172 people had been sentenced to death under this law, although "only" about 10 have been executed. The law is invalid under the Oslo II agreement and is one of the many violations of the Oslo peace process agreements by the PA. Palestinian land dealers in PA controlled areas have been murdered as "collaborators", a practice that was publically condoned by Yasser Arafat.

In 1995, following the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan, the Jordanian Parliament repealed the 1973 law and replaced it with milder statutes that still effectively bar Israelis from purchasing or leasing land in Jordan.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_199...srael_land.php

Maybe Arafish had no idea what was going on either, though. Being right there - which some people claim is critical - I suppose he'd know better than Dershowitz. No law? Tell the dead guys.

;)

Long... looks even categorical.
But Does NOT rebut a single thing I posted in that article. You just repeat your self because you have NO answers.
It is obvious you have nothing more to add in this debate other than incomprehensible babble .
The title should probably have been a tip-off: JNF to suspend Jewish-land-only policy.
And I clearly asked you
Another 3 months ! So according to these September 2007 articles Non-Jews are still excluded , could show me what legislation has been enacted by the Knesset in the past month allowing land sales to non-Jews ?
So is the JNF selling to Non Jews as of today ?
You also didn't notice the 2004 ruling.
You obviously did not follow the link provided :
JNF not required to act for good of all, court told (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=515112&contrassID=1&subContrassID=7&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y)
The document was submitted by the JNF in response to a petition brought against the Israel Lands Administration (ILA) about two months ago by the Arab Center for Alternative Planning, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) and the Adalah legal center.
The upshot was a ruling that :
A panel of five justices, led by Court President Aharon Barak, ruled that "the state's obligation to act with equality extends to all of its activities. It therefore also extends to the allocation of state lands."
A ruling not law
Unfortunately, it's kind of trumped by this:
Yeah I say it doesnt exist .
Not Found

The requested URL /pf_199...srael_land.php was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Here's the link GeoffP Used- It's from my post just preceding and again in this post:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_israel_land.php
I noticed the "Not found" was your biggest Coup. NOTHING, but for you .. big.

Got it now?

Still No Response to the Below which Blows Father Foley's whole Speel.

BTW Folley, I find the Title Post Offensive and Blatantly anti-semitic with "Kosher Nazis".
For context/to-check and be fair, one need only read a few weeks of your posts. (or any one days in fact)

As to your Latest Crap...


What about land? Does Israel discriminate against Arabs owning land?

While often repeated, the assertion that Arabs cannot obtain land in Israel is based on misconception, error and Outright Invention. In fact, most of the land in Israel is government-owned, and it is equally available to all Israelis, whether Jewish or Arab.

History of Land Ownership in Israel

In order to purchase land for the resettlement of Jews in their ancient homeland, the Fifth Zionist Congress (1901) created a private charitable organization called the Jewish National Fund (JNF). Before the State of Israel was established in 1948, land purchased by the JNF was not resold but was instead leased out on a long-term basis to create kibbutzim and other forms of Jewish settlement.

After 1948 state-owned lands formerly in the possession of British Mandatory Authorities, together with property abandoned by Arab refugees, passed into the control of the new Israeli government. Some of this land was sold by the government to the JNF, which had developed expertise in reclaiming and developing waste and barren lands and making them productive.

In 1960 under Basic Law: Israel Lands, JNF-owned land and government-owned land were together defined as "Israel lands," and the principle was laid down that such land would be leased rather than sold. The JNF retained ownership of its land, but administrative responsibility for the JNF land, and also for government-owned land, passed to a newly created agency called the Israel Land Administration or ILA.

Of the total land in Israel in 1997, the Israel Government Press Office statistics say 79.5% is owned by the government, 14% is Privately owned by the JNF, and the rest, around 6.5%, is evenly divided between private Arab and Jewish owners. Thus, the ILA administers 93.5% of the land in Israel.

Who can access Israel Land Administration (ILA) land?

The crux of the issue then, is who can actually access the land that is almost completely controlled by the ILA? The statement that "Arabs cannot buy land in Israel" is largely true, but MEANINGLESS since Jews cannot buy land either, bound by the same ILA restrictions.

In actual practice, ILA lands are Leased and BOTH Arab and Jewish citizens of Israel have equal access. Some classes of Arab citizens, e.g. Bedouins, have been the beneficiaries of highly subsidized land programs in Israel, so beneficial that Jews have gone to court to try to get the same terms. Affirmative action programs for Bedouins have been upheld by Jewish courts to the detriment of Jewish citizens.

Special case of the Jewish National Fund (JNF) land

JNF land, even when managed by the Israeli government, is restricted by the formal charter of the JNF. The purpose of the JNF was to purchase land for the settlement of Jews, and this has been interpreted to mean that JNF land should not be leased, at least on a long-term basis, to non-Jews. The agreement that placed the JNF land under government administration incorporates the restriction.

In practice, however, JNF land has been leased to Arab citizens of Israel, both for short-term and long-term use such as leases on a yearly basis to Bedouins for use as pasture. In other cases, JNF land has been traded for other, unrestricted, land so it can be leased to Arabs.

Private land in Israel

There are no restrictions on private land transfers in Israel. Private land can be purchased or leasaed by Israeli Arabs or by non-citizens. Such land can be, and has been, purchased by Israeli Arabs and by foreigners, including Arab foreigners.

The Israeli government has announced plans to privatize much of Israel's state-owned land and offer cheap building permits to Israelis willing to move to less-desirable parts of the country, away from the crowded central area.

Contrast with Arab Policies

The relatively unrestricted access to land in Israel is in sharp contrast with Arab policies. During the 1948-1967 Jordanian occupation of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), for example, Jews were forbidden to live there under pain of death. In 1973, under the direct instructions of King Hussein, the government of Jordan passed the Law for Preventing the Sale of Immoveable Property to the Enemy. The "enemy" defined in Article 2 as:

... any man or judicial body [corporation] of Israeli citizenship living in Israel or acting on its behalf.
This law, or equivalent, continued in effect under the Palestinian Authority (PA). By 1997, 172 people had been sentenced to death under this law, although "only" about 10 have been executed. The law is invalid under the Oslo II agreement and is one of the many violations of the Oslo peace process agreements by the PA. Palestinian land dealers in PA controlled areas have been murdered as "collaborators", a practice that was publically condoned by Yasser Arafat.

In 1995, following the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan, the Jordanian Parliament repealed the 1973 law and replaced it with milder statutes that still effectively bar Israelis from purchasing or leasing land in Jordan.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_israel_land.php


Have a nice page truying to live it down/bury it.
Just 16 more to go.

Interesting to compare:

Why dont you just get it over with and permanently ban everyone on this forum who criticizes Israel . Your moderating is too much in posters faces , its stifling to say the least .

I'd just like to add.
IF I started a string with the above article- as informational and/or challenging to common Wisdom//Being able to take the offense.
JamesR would have taken it down.

Instead Israel Bashing headlines are the Rule while, Pro-Israel headlines (Like "Anti-zionists but we have nothing against the Jews as such") are boring "Propaganda". Defense only.

On the one hand, we have Foley complaining that he can't post anti-Israeli propaganda. And on the other hand, we have abu_afak complaining that there's too much anti-Israeli propaganda being allowed.

This suggests to me that I have struck a happy (?) medium in moderation. Wouldn't you agree?

Well one need only Look at the front page of this board James.
and compare it to the 2 I tried to post-- that are Locked or removed... while His Truly hateful headlineS, replete with "Kosher Nazis' remains.

On the one hand, we have Foley complaining that he can't post anti-Israeli propaganda. And on the other hand, we have abu_afak complaining that there's too much anti-Israeli propaganda being allowed.
When you send me a warning for a baseless vindictive charge of " posting propaganda " and an infraction for pornographic insult all in one night , whilst ignoring a Nazi jibe we only have another example of your "unique" moderating style in singling out posters for harassment , just another example to other posters of your inability to be a fair minded moderator .

It is obvious you have nothing more to add in this debate other than incomprehensible babble .

Brian, this is your usual methodology: posting half-considered ideas replete with links that damage your position, then turning an incomprehensibly deaf ear on the rebuttal and post demand after demand for "clarification", which you then ignore.

So is the JNF selling to Non Jews as of today ?

I don't know. They don't sell to much of anyone, but the link obviously indicates they're trying to make a compromise.

You obviously did not follow the link provided :

I most certainly did. The problem is that you never read mine, or respond properly to my points.

A ruling not law

In most countries, Brian, rulings are used as law, to my knowledge. The days of "trial by combat" are long done in most nations in the area of setting precedent, although I imagine Australia could be a holdout. :D

Yeah I say it doesnt exist .

My sincerest apologies for that messy link...abu_afak has your response. (And thanks to abu :) )

Here's the link GeoffP Used- It's from my post just preceding and again in this post:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_israel_land.php
I noticed the "Not found" was your biggest Coup. NOTHING, but for you .. big.

I regret to say that this is Brian's style. Wherever he can raise his telescope to a blind eye and proclaim "I cannot see the signal!", he promptly does so. I don't think he's grasped Nelson's style, however.

When you send me a warning for a baseless vindictive charge of " posting propaganda " and an infraction for pornographic insult all in one night , whilst ignoring a Nazi jibe we only have another example of your "unique" moderating style in singling out posters for harassment , just another example to other posters of your inability to be a fair minded moderator .

Absurd. James hit me with four warnings and infracts in a single night not too far back; I'm certainly not going to whine about them as they were undoubtedly deserved. James is being quite fair, frankly.

Come to think of it, maybe you could just weigh James and see if he's heavier or lighter than a duck. Jurisprudence might thereby be rendered on a level with which you're more familiar.

http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2007-10-18_025522_httpwww.students4democracy.orgsfdforumup loadsbrianfoleystudentsfordemocracy_2006-06-24_173040_smiley.gif.gif
Seems the Freemarket cuts in social spending that Israel has implemented has emptied out the contents of Israels Psychiatric Hospitals into the Streets .

Left to themselves Zionists would destroy themselves , as with all other Racist/Political ideologies such as Nazism and Zionism it requires outside foes to unite them. The divisions that exist inside Israel can only continue to cooperate while outside enemies are seen to exist.

I take it that you mean any extremist or fringe ideology ? So that would include Islamic Fundamentalists as well.

I agree, If Zionism or any extremist ideology reigns, then the country would collapse from fear and paranoia. Not to mention hypocrisy and greed.

http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2007-10-18_025522_httpwww.students4democracy.orgsfdforumup loadsbrianfoleystudentsfordemocracy_2006-06-24_173040_smiley.gif.gif
Seems the Freemarket cuts in social spending that Israel has implemented has emptied out the contents of Israels Psychiatric Hospitals into the Streets .

http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2007-10-18_025522_httpwww.students4democracy.orgsfdforumup loadsbrianfoleystudentsfordemocracy_2006-06-24_173040_smiley.gif.gif
Left to themselves Zionists would destroy themselves , as with all other Racist/Political ideologies such as Nazism and Zionism it requires outside foes to unite them. The divisions that exist inside Israel can only continue to cooperate while outside enemies are seen to exist.

there are nutjobs in every community. even on sciforums, Brian ;)

Foley, when all your post are put together on the Jews, you make the Nazis look like moderates.

Apparently Buffy can't move beyond Godwins law

Here's the link GeoffP Used- It's from my post just preceding and again in this post:
Thanks cup cake
I most certainly did. The problem is that you never read mine, or respond properly to my points.
The Link from CAMERA gives no source as to its claim that Non-Jews can own land , where as my links from Israel itself clearly state that the JNF and the ILA do not sell land to Arabs . And as for leasing of land :
Can the quasi-governmental Jewish National Fund legally refuse to lease land to Israeli citizens who are Arabs? (http://mlyon01.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/can-the-quasi-govenmental-jewish-national-fund-legally-refuse-to-sell-land-to-israeli-citizens-who-are-arabs/)
The Jewish National Fund, a private organization that owns 13% if the land in Israel refuses to lease land to non-Jews, even though 80% of its land holdings were taken from Arabs during the 1948 war. The Israeli Parliament has preliminarily ruled that JNF’s refusal to lease land to non-Jews is not unlawful discrimination, but the case is now coming before the High Court of Justice.

Opinion: Who needs the Jewish National Fund?

Tomorrow the High Court of Justice will hear a petition against the Jewish National Fund (JNF) from Arab citizens who have been barred from acquiring land in Carmiel, because the JNF does not lease land to non-Jews. That the heart of an Israeli city holds land intended for Jews only 60 years after the establishment of the state is inconceivable. The petition opposes wrongful state discrimination against Arab citizens by means of the JNF.

To make things more difficult for the High Court, the Knesset approved by a large majority (64 to 16) a bill in its preliminary reading stating that discrimination against non-Jews by the JNF is not wrongful discrimination. The JNF is a private corporation, founded to buy land for the Jewish people, and that is its purpose to this day. The attorney general believes this is wrongful discrimination as 13 percent of Israel’s land belongs to the JNF, and he supports the petitioners against that body.

In most countries, Brian, rulings are used as law, to my knowledge. The days of "trial by combat" are long done in most nations in the area of setting precedent, although I imagine Australia could be a holdout. :D
As I asked could you provide me with proof that the JNF and ILA are now leasing or selling land to Non-Jews .
Absurd. James hit me with four warnings and infracts in a single night not too far back; I'm certainly not going to whine about them as they were undoubtedly deserved. James is being quite fair, frankly.
Stop Arse Kissing its embarassing get a spine .
I take it that you mean any extremist or fringe ideology ? So that would include Islamic Fundamentalists as well.
Oh I think Islamic Fundamentalist fruitcakes are more than well spoken of in our Western press , its old hat .
I agree, If Zionism or any extremist ideology reigns, then the country would collapse from fear and paranoia. Not to mention hypocrisy and greed.
Basically what is happening is that Israel itself amongst the Jews is so split between Orthodox and Liberal then the Ashkenazim vs Shephardic Jews not to mention the presence of Black Jews and now Jewish Neo Nazi Skinheads who attack them basically this Zionist nightmare is falling apart .
there are nutjobs in every community. even on sciforums, Brian ;)
Yeaaaah riiight suuuure ..
Foley, when all your post are put together on the Jews, you make the Nazis look like moderates.
And I never read your posts , they are idiotic , but , conveniently skipping addressing my answer to his question about Jordan I see .

The Link from CAMERA gives no source as to its claim that Non-Jews can own land , where as my links from Israel itself clearly state that the JNF and the ILA do not sell land to Arabs . And as for leasing of land :

Sorry: your link is an unsourced blog piece.

As I asked could you provide me with proof that the JNF and ILA are now leasing or selling land to Non-Jews .

The Haaretz article doesn't say they don't lease.

Stop Arse Kissing its embarassing get a spine

Actually, it's calling "using one's brain". Only crybabies seriously complain about infracts.

Basically what is happening is that Israel itself amongst the Jews is so split between Orthodox and Liberal then the Ashkenazim vs Shephardic Jews not to mention the presence of Black Jews and now Jewish Neo Nazi Skinheads who attack them basically this Zionist nightmare is falling apart .

Keep praying, Brian.

Sorry: your link is an unsourced blog piece.
The Haaretz article doesn't say they don't lease.
Ill give you Haaretz
Who needs the JNF? (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/906203.html)
By Haaretz Editorial
Tomorrow the High Court of Justice will hear a petition against the Jewish National Fund (JNF) from Arab citizens who have been barred from acquiring land in Carmiel, because the JNF does not lease land to non-Jews.
Now any chance of an answer ?
Actually, it's calling "using one's brain".
Actually its Brown Nosing .
Keep praying, Brian.
Yeah , in other words I can take GeoffP cant prove that as of today the JNF and ILA sell or lease land to Non-Jews .