Another poll on attitudes to rape

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by James R, Jul 6, 2008.

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Please mark all statements below that you DO NOT agree with.

  1. You are a rapist if you get a girl drunk and have sex with her.

    35.3%
  2. If you are BOTH drunk you may still be a rapist.

    35.3%
  3. If she's sleeping and you have sex with her you're a rapist.

    23.5%
  4. If she's unconscious and you have sex with her then you're a rapist.

    29.4%
  5. If she is incapacitated in any way and unable to say 'Yes' then you're a rapist.

    23.5%
  6. If you drug her and have sex with her then you're a rapist.

    29.4%
  7. If you don't ask permission and she says neither 'Yes' or 'No' then you could be a rapist.

    35.3%
  8. Because you manage to ply an eventual 'yes' from a weary victim doesn't mean it's not rape.

    29.4%
  9. If you say, "If you loved me you’d do X" then you're a rapist.

    41.2%
  10. If you threaten her, or act in a way that SHE thinks you're threatening her then you're a rapist.

    23.5%
  11. You are a rapist if you don't immediately get your hands off of her when she says 'no'.

    17.6%
  12. If you're having sex and she says 'No' at ANY point and you don't stop then you're a rapist.

    29.4%
  13. If she picked you up and decides that she doesn't WANT sex and you continue then you're a rapist.

    23.5%
  14. If she changes her mind at ANY point and you don't immediately stop then you're a rapist

    23.5%
  15. If you're a friend of hers you can still be a rapist.

    23.5%
  16. If you're her husband you can still be a rapist.

    23.5%
  17. If she says no even though you've had sex 100 times before and you have sex, you're a rapist.

    23.5%
  18. Buying her dinner does not entitle you to sex.

    23.5%
  19. Spending any amount of money on her does not, ever, entitle you to sex.

    11.8%
  20. If she has had lots of men, but says no to you and you go ahead, you're a rapist

    23.5%
  21. If she's a prostitute and she says "No" then you're a rapist.

    29.4%
  22. If she's wearing a thong and pasties you still have no right to rape her.

    17.6%
  23. If you choose to remain friends with a man who raped a woman you are encouraging rape.

    41.2%
  24. If she's a prostitute and she says "No" then you're a rapist.

    29.4%
  25. Women do not owe men sex.

    23.5%
  26. I agree with all of the above statements (i.e. have marked none of them)

    17.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    A quick poll to gauge the reactions of sciforumers to the list that was posted in the thread

    [thread=82693]So you think you aren't a rapist?[/thread]

    Please mark all the statements with which you disagree.
     
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  3. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    james as i have said 100 times over, the law says that all these except POSSABLY the second one are rape (though it doesnt discriminate between forceful sex and simply conentual sex when both are drunk which would mean either BOTH are charged or nither are)

    The problem with that list is its gender specific, the law isnt. Every single one of those is a crime if a man is the victom just as much as if the women is
     
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  5. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    this is quite unfortunate that i cant find any statistics from a site i wouldnt feel like an ass for putting my name to but so far i have found this

    I dont know what the exact break down is and i doubt anyone does but it DOES happen and what makes it worse is the victimisation is even worse when the victom is a male because of atitudes like those displayed currently by every goverment. The reason i havent been able to use goverment sources for this is because not one of the states, teritories OR the federal goverment are even bothering to releace them
     
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  7. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    So you believe that when someone gives implicit and explicit consent to sex, it is rape if they had just happened to have a few drinks beforehand?
     
  8. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    YES it is rape.
     
  9. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    wtf? There appears to be some information missing from that one. Like, for instance, this:
    The first fails to specify exactly how drunk. So no, I couldn't possibly agree with that.
    Bit vague? The proposition doesn't even mention sex.
    No, you've made threats. We're being left to assume an awful lot here.
    Not necessarily. You could try to make him see - sorry this sounds so pathetic - the error of his ways. If he's still unrepentant then, yes, I agree. Otherwise, no.

    Stopped beating your wife yet, Asguard?
     
  10. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    It doesn't matter because if she gives consent it is rape and if she doesn't give consent it is rape. Thus we are back to the feminist claims that all heterosexual sex is rape, and that all men are rapists.
     
  11. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Er... no.
     
  12. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    ABS are you getting so little that you need to pick up drunk women because no one else would go near you?

    I dont blame them
     
  14. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    Considering the fact that I've stated quite a few times in the past that I'm not going to have sex before I'm married, that's a pretty silly question.

    I just think that it is pretty silly of you to pretend that anytime someone has a few drinks and then says that they would like to have sex and actively participates in the sex acts that it is rape. Though I'm sure that you are now going to tell us that you have never had a few drinks and gotten a little frisky before.
     
  15. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    only with PB who i know doesnt care if i fuck her because i do it on a regular basis
     
  16. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    And that suddenly doesn't make it rape?
     
  17. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    as i already stated, in order to prove a rape under the influance with a regular partner you would have to prove that something was different in that sexual contact than normal. For instance if you didnt use a condom when you know she expects you to. Other wise you would be pritty saft with a yes from your regular partner
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    There is one thing you just don't seem to understand. If a person is so incapacitated (ie. so drunk that they can't walk, talk, understand, etc), then they are in no position to understand or comprehend or able to consent to sex. This isn't about someone having a few drinks and getting frisky. It's about someone who is blind drunk and unable to consent to anything whatsoever, be it sex or selling their house or car (for example).

    Sex does not equal rape. You seem to have this obsession that sex = rape. That is not the case. If someone is unable to consent to sex and you have sex with them, then it equals rape. If you have sex with a 5 year old child or a person in a coma, it is rape. Why? Because they are unable to consent. The same applies with someone who is flat out drunk and in no state to consent to anything.

    For example, say you go out on a date with a girl or a boy. You ply them with alcohol and/or drugs (or spike their drink) so that they become so incapacitated that they can't even remember their own name (again, pure example) and end up in a near comatose state. You then take that individual home, take their clothes off as they lay there half conscious or passed out cold and you have sex with them. That is rape. It doesn't matter if the victim is a male or female or if the rapist is male or female. It is still rape. Do you know why? Because the individual was so incapacitated, that she/he was in no state to consent.

    Do you get it now?
     
  19. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    Are you illiterate, or do you just enjoy tossing around tons of strawmen?

    I specifically talk about individuals who give verbal consent and remain active and participatory during the acts, and you respond to talking about someone who is unconcious.

    Why can't you simply respond to the scenario described intstead of constantly using the strawman of a comatose person?
     
  20. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    Funny that I mention 4 times in the thread a specific scenario, yet you illiterate fucks only talk about people who are unconcious.

    Why?
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    Because the individual would have to be so drunk that they are unable to consent. For some, it could take a few drinks. For others, it can take 3 bottles of tequila.

    So if the individual is blind drunk, says "yeah sure", gets turned on during the act and participates, has an orgasm, but during that time is so drunk they can't even remember their own name or where they are.. yeah.. it's rape. Do you know why? Because they are so drunk that they can't understand what's going on. They don't have to be unconscious. But they are so drunk that they have the mental capacity of a 5 year old.

    For example, say you tell a 5 year old you'll give them a lolly if they let you have sex with them. 5 year old says "yeah ok". Now imagine if someone is so drunk that they don't know who or where they are but they say "yeah ok", gets turned on... I'll give you a hint. Both = to rape. Why? Because both are in no position consent. The victim may say yes and appear to give consent. They may participate in the act. But if they are so drunk that they don't understand where they are, let alone consent to anything, regardless of that "yeah ok" or participation, it can still be classified as being rape. Because the individual was in no position to give consent.

    Is it really that hard for you to understand?
     
  22. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    why is it that you are so interested in what other think about rape? Do you have a "hidden" side that really is your "dark side" ?
     
  23. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    What's hard for me to understand, is who judges these things? Who decides if someone is too inebriated to be of sound judgement? The examples of someone who is comatose are obvious. However, on a related thread it was pointed out that the actual law of the land has changed, and it is no longer necessary to prove force as an element of rape. In fact, quite the contrary. I think this is what ABS is going on about. Can a person, male or female, decide retroactively, as in the next morning, "Oh, I was drunk last night, so even though I said please fuck me, I was actually incapacitated, so, therefore, you will be spending the next 20 years in prison." Is this right? It may be a hypothetical question right now. but you can bet it will be tested in reality soon. We already had cases of people inaccurately labeled guillty of rape, this would seem to only open the door further for this sort of false accusation.
     

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