Iran sanctions push falls on deaf ears (http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/iran-sanctions-push-falls-on-deaf-ears/2006/04/19/1145344153789.html)
WASHINGTON: The US has failed to secure international support for sanctions against Iran and President George Bush has again refused to rule out nuclear strikes if diplomacy fails to curb the Islamic republic's atomic ambitions.

At a meeting in Moscow of deputy foreign ministers of the United Nations Security Council's permanent members - the US, Britain, France, China and Russia - plus Germany, Washington argued for sanctions to be imposed on Iran. Russia and China resisted and the meeting ended with no consensus.
What better way to clearly demonstrate Americas weakness is Americas anti-Iranian farce . America has to threaten Iran with an attack of Atomic bunker busting bombs to stop them enriching uranium Iran the next day annouces they have started that process .

And here America cant even muster the support for sanctions against Iran , my how the mighty have fallen . The fact is US mideast polixcy has been a shambles from day 1 , this is clear evidence America is no longer a world player rather more accurately a participant .

Well done Iran , congratulations , stick in there .

WOW China and Russia says no.......... hmmm I wonder why.

Who gives a fuck what Russia wants. America will do whats right for America... maybe you forgot that.

America's diplomatic influence fell apart the day Bush invaded Iraq, this is not surprising. I think a military offensive against Iran is inevitable.

OK lets look at this stike even if limited to the nuclear sites? Lets say it will be 100% successfull and the so called nuclear threat is nutralised.oK all done and now its the morning after and lets see what Iran can do.
1-Afganistans northern alliance was supported by Iran way before any one in the west even knew who they where.So lets say Iran will activate its allies in Afganistan and with the taliban already active they also send in some more sophisticated weapones eg anti tank guided missiles and shoulder launched anti aircraft missiles,and on top of that they send in some 20,000 comandos and revelotinary guard units to link up with their allies in afganistan.So how secure Afganistan seems to you now?
2-The same can occur in Iraq but in a bigger scale,activate the shiate millitias in the iraqi cities,activate the Kurd sympthisers in the north, link these ellements with the insurgency active allready and again supply them with more modern and deadly weapons.This time Invade Iraq with very mobile and light soldiers lets say some 150,000 and ingage the americans on both fronts.
3-Iran has some 1,000,000 sea mines from simple ones to quit deadly ones, so lets say they lay these mines in the persian gulf and the strait of hormuse in verious depths and in different sequenses. Blocking the Gulf,Trapping the American naval ships inside and blocking the Ships that are not in outside.What do you think will happen to the ships traped?What will happen tp supply of the oil?
4-Use its long range missiles to hit American bases all over Mid East, Airfields,groundbases, troop consentrations, comand headquarters,and any other secoundry targets.
These all can happen within the first week of the attack. Now tell me what are the options for USA, how can it contain the war, and all this without involving the Hizbuallah, or the Syrian.
So this is why USA needs to look at this very carefully, Iran will not allow USA to dictate the tems of the war and once strarted you must be ready for a big one and if you loose you will loose the whole of Mid East.

So this is why USA needs to look at this very carefully, Iran will not allow USA to dictate the tems of the war and once strarted you must be ready for a big one and if you loose you will loose the whole of Mid East.
Yes. But the same applies even more so if Iran acquires nukes. The leader of Iran has vowed to wipe Israel off the map. As soon as he has a nuke, it will be deployed in Israel. Then those Palestinians that survive the blast and subsequent radiation can enjoy their "right of return".

He must be stopped now. Whatever the consequences, it will be worse if we do nothing.

madanthonywayne you know that is crap, firstly Iran is not rulled by illogical men they undrestand that a nuclear attack on Israel will also mean Nulear attack on Iran. They fought for 8 years against Saddam and although where victim of chemical attacks on meny occasions they never replied in kind.That is the line in order to make iran look like some kind of evil country, let me tell you that Iran hellped USA to get rid of Tallibans and The Iranian comanders where first to get in to Kabul comanding the Northern Alliance.
Iran cannot win a nuclear war milliteraly, politicaly, diplomaticly, or even popullary. no one can....

Funny how people here slam Bush for being a religious nut and then call Iran's President "logical".

When Austraillia gets nuked remind me to laugh at Brian.

crazy:

When Austraillia gets nuked remind me to laugh at Brian.

Why would Australia get nuked? We haven't pissed Iran off, or hurled veiled threats at them time after time again. Hell, we haven't even pissed the majority of the world off. As conservative as our prime minister might be, he is adept at diplomacy, and has good relations with the vast majority of the world leaders, especially the Chinese.
Sadly, America doesn't. The American admin wouldn't understand the meaning of 'diplomacy' if their life depended on it (and one day, I'm willing to bet that it will).

Hmm, I wonder who will be the one getting nuked?

Funny how people here slam Bush for being a religious nut and then call Iran's President "logical".

When Austraillia gets nuked remind me to laugh at Brian.
Come on Carzy you have to admit that the Bushmiester is a religious lunny

Why would Austraillia get nuked, becauses they are non Islamic?

When Austraillia gets nuked remind me to laugh at Brian.
Thats real funny because Australias closest neighbour is Indonesia , the Worlds lragest moslem nation , we havent any problems with that nation . The only problems that arise with Indonesia is with US meddling such as the US inspired coup of 1965 in which 1 million Indonesians died and the US involvement in East Timor . If Iran bombs Australia , I will place all blame on the US as the US with its Zioni$t sidekick I$raHELL has provoked Iran .

Nope no problem.....

Australia warns of possible attacks in Indonesia

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060420/wl_nm/security_australia_indonesia_dc_1




2002 nightclub bombings in Bali killed 202 people, including 88 Australians. In October 2005, 20 people, including four Australians, were killed in a new spate of bombings in Bali.

The Australian embassy and a U.S.-owned luxury hotel in Jakarta have also been bombing targets

Nope no problem.....

Australia warns of possible attacks in Indonesia

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060420/wl_nm/security_australia_indonesia_dc_1


Ba foon

2002 nightclub bombings in Bali killed 202 people, including 88 Australians. In October 2005, 20 people, including four Australians, were killed in a new spate of bombings in Bali.

The Australian embassy and a U.S.-owned luxury hotel in Jakarta have also been bombing targets
Bali happened because Australia supported America in its war on terror , and thanks to that continued support will we be subject to further attacks . Just like the Spanish who because of their support of the US received the attacks in Madrid , and like the English with their support of America got the London attacks .

but U.S is not Ommissive Demgrgygarchy. :mad:baaaa

So there are other countries other then the USA fighting this war on terror ?

Wowsers I know but, the USA twisted their arms right ? Evil fuckers.

Lets get one thing straight , this war on terror started on 9/11 when Al Qaeda soldiers bombed America , and that was in retaliation for the US bombing of Iraq , US theft of Mid East riches and the support of Israeli oppression of Palestinians . America started this war , Australia , Spain nor the United Kingdom were bombed on that day , yet our leaders gave support to America without the approval of their people , on that day we became targets .

The only reason why Australia is in this war on terror is for the promise of a freetrade deal with the US which the US dangled as a carrot to Australia’s business sector . The US has dragged its feet on this promise and will shaft Australia , totally mercenary reasons .

Actually the War on Terror had started a few years before, with the failed car bomb in the parking garage of the WTC. We just didnt do much about it, and look what it costs us. But maybe thats why the government wanted, they used that to rally support to take on the middle east.

Sometimes the motivations of the ultra-powerful are beyond me.

:confused: What has war on terror has to do with Iran? All the 9/11 bombers, organizers where Suni of mainly Saudi decent and or Arab, they are financed from saudi arabia and the talibans of Afganistan too where financed or supported by Saudi and Pakistani elements. Right now there is more Alquida activity in Pakistan than anyother country.Yes Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to two pillars of democracy in MId East and the two best friends of USA in the region.In the attacks at 9/11 or London bombing or the Madrid bombing there was no Iranian involved?there are no sugestions that Iran financed,organized,or helped in any of the above, so why is it that the name of Iran is always draged in to this???I say have a closer look at your best friends in the region first.

Your not paying attention huh ?

Lets get one thing straight , this war on terror started on 9/11 when Al Qaeda soldiers bombed America , and that was in retaliation for the US bombing of Iraq , US theft of Mid East riches and the support of Israeli oppression of Palestinians . America started this war , Australia , Spain nor the United Kingdom were bombed on that day , yet our leaders gave support to America without the approval of their people , on that day we became targets ..

Yeah and thank god they have morals and honor, unlike you.


The only reason why Australia is in this war on terror is for the promise of a freetrade deal with the US which the US dangled as a carrot to Australia’s business sector . The US has dragged its feet on this promise and will shaft Australia , totally mercenary reasons .

So your business leaders run your country ? And they feed off America ? Bet your proud of the land down under huh ?

No OliverJ iam paying attention, the thread was about Iran then is somehow went to war on terror, the implications can mean that Iran is part of that war?
So now you pay Attention OK!

Thats leave iran alone, so what if it gets nukes, they wont use them.

You see with Americas sabre ratlling and the fact that they have not done anything about North korea but fucked Iraq means that they are asctually escalating Nuclear prorifiration. Most leaders would think shit if i get a nuclear weapon then i wont get fucked by the US, if i dont have one then if i slightly piss them off they will come gunning for me!!

Yeah and thank god they have morals and honor, unlike you.
Im falttered thank you Oliver .
So your business leaders run your country ?
Who else ?
And they feed off America ?
No America has offered a freetrade deal for Australian support , so America is buying friends . Australia would like to feed from America , but America is going bankrupt .
Bet your proud of the land down under huh ?
Id be prouder if Australia told the US to Fuck off .

Brian the US bullies you into being there friend

Actually the War on Terror had started a few years before, with the failed car bomb in the parking garage of the WTC. We just didnt do much about it, and look what it costs us. But maybe thats why the government wanted, they used that to rally support to take on the middle east.

Sometimes the motivations of the ultra-powerful are beyond me.

Not much?

On March 4, 1993 authorities announced the capture of one of the suspected bombing conspirators Mohammad Salameh. In May 1994 Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Mahmud Abouhalima and Ahmad Ajaj were each convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for the World Trade Center bombing.

The capture of Salameh led authorities to Ramzi Yousef's apartment, where they found bomb-making materials and a business card from Mohammed Jamal Khalifa. Khalifa was arrested in relation to the crime on December 14, 1994, and was deported to Jordan by the INS on May 5, 1995. He was acquitted by a Jordanian court and now lives as a free man in Saudi Arabia.

In October 1995, the militant Islamist and blind cleric Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, who preached at mosques in Brooklyn and Jersey City, was sentenced to life imprisonment for masterminding the bombing. Rahman, whose Islamic Group organization is believed to have had links to Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, was later convicted with a number of others of conspiracy charges to bomb several New York City landmarks (see New York City landmark bomb plot). In 1998, Ramzi Yousef, said by some to have been the real mastermind, was convicted of "seditious conspiracy" to bomb the towers. When Ramzi Yousef was brought back to America, he was flown over the still intact twin towers, making a statement to the FBI that he regretted not having enough explosives to bring down the WTC towers and adding that his fellow terrorists would try again to destroy them. One of the other men tried alongside Yousef for the bombing was Eyad Ismail. In all, ten militant Islamist conspirators – including Ramzi Yousef – were convicted for their part in the bombing and were given prison sentences of a maximum of 240 years each.
(wiki)

What better way to clearly demonstrate Americas weakness is Americas anti-Iranian farce . America has to threaten Iran with an attack of Atomic bunker busting bombs to stop them enriching uranium Iran the next day annouces they have started that process .

And here America cant even muster the support for sanctions against Iran , my how the mighty have fallen . The fact is US mideast polixcy has been a shambles from day 1 , this is clear evidence America is no longer a world player rather more accurately a participant .

Well done Iran , congratulations , stick in there .
America not a world player? I don't support it, but we now are the most powerful military force in the persian gulf, we will have permanent bases in Iraq, and Bush will bomb Iran sometime before the 2006 elections. We are already testing a 700ton non-nuclear simulation for a nuclear bunker-buster destined for this purpose. Bush will not let Iran enrich uranium, even if they are only in the experimental stage now.

Brian the US bullies you into being there friend
True , the US like any other predatory economic imperial power has no friends only interests . Nations which become strategically important to them like Iraq are incorporated either by cajoling or by force as in the case of Iraq . And when they are no longer required these nations are dumped .
America not a world player? I don't support it, but we now are the most powerful military force in the persian gulf, we will have permanent bases in Iraq, and Bush will bomb Iran sometime before the 2006 elections.
Thats the whole point the US must use its military to enforce its policies , that is a sign of US loss of influence . In the 1950's to 1980's the US with its economic might could and did simply order countries to follow policies and those countries did . The US $ has nearly been superceded by the € as the worlds currency , give it 1 year and the € will be the global currency . The fact is economic power is the only power countries respect and America no longer has the money to throw around to bribe other countries . A good example of US economic impotence was when the US tried to bribe Turkey into going along with the attack on Iraq .
Turkey rejects $24bn for okaying Iraq strikes (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=24&art_id=qw1045755000992B262&set_id=1)
Ankara - Turkey was proving a stumbling block on Thursday for US hopes of launching possible strikes on neighbouring Iraq from its territory while Russia raised the prospect of using its UN Security Council veto to thwart the Americans plans for war.
Some 20 years earlier the Us would of clicked their fingers and Turkey would of jumped .
Bush will not let Iran enrich uranium, even if they are only in the experimental stage now.
And what cost do you think such an invasion or attack on Iran would place on an ever increasingly fragile US economy ?

Foley if the U.S. economy was any better I'd be eating lobster every night, read the Wall Street Journal, and get some facts, and our unemployment rate is 3/10th % lower than Australia's, and the stockmarket is a Bull Market. Get Your Facts Straight.

President George Bush has again refused to rule out nuclear strikes if diplomacy fails to curb the Islamic republic's atomic ambitions.

This is so stupid.
I mean really fucking stupid.
Really, really stupid.
Bush will not be nuking anybody.
If he did, he and his cronies would not only be taken out of power within days, but they'd likely end up in prison. There is no way in hell that a nuclear solution would be tolerated by the American people.
None.

Foley if the U.S. economy was any better I'd be eating lobster every night, read the Wall Street Journal, and get some facts,
Expalin why 25million + Americans live in poveertry .
and our unemployment rate is 3/10th % lower than Australia's, and the stockmarket is a Bull Market. Get Your Facts Straight.
No you see your goverment hides the true unemployment rate by fixing and manipulationg the unemployment figures . Such as not including part time workers
Rising unemployment and phony statistics (http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/unemployment.htm)
According to official numbers by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of January 1999, only 5,950,000 million Americans were unemployed. But the truth is that while the current official national unemployment rate in the United States stands at a low 4.3 percent, there are far more people than that who are either out of work, only able to find part-time work, employed at below poverty level wages or employed below their skill level. Official jobless figures are only the tip of the iceberg. In contrast to many European countries, the United States, in compiling jobless data, excluded persons without employment who had stopped looking for work. People who want to work but are discouraged about job opportunities and so have given up an active job search are not counted here as unemployed. Instead, they are considered not to be in the labor force. Part-time workers who wanted full-time jobs are nevertheless counted as fully employed. People working even as little as one day a week are categorized as "employed." About two million Americans, for example, are "on-call" workers who are called to work as needed -- sometimes for one day, sometimes for longer. Substitute teachers meet this definition.
Another link :
The Economy (http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2004/duboff0204.html)
For this and other reasons, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) provides a series of “alternative unemployment measures,” which go almost entirely ignored and unreported by the major media and news organizations. One of the alternative measures shows that if both involuntary part-timers and discouraged workers were added to the unemployment rate as officially measured, the rate for November 2003 would stand at 9.5 percent of the labor force, instead of the official 5.9 percent.
And Australia is in the same boat as the US .

What better way to clearly demonstrate Americas weakness is Americas anti-Iranian farce . America has to threaten Iran with an attack of Atomic bunker busting bombs to stop them enriching uranium Iran the next day annouces they have started that process .

And here America cant even muster the support for sanctions against Iran ,...
Ah, the "Strength is Weakness; Weakness is Strength" faux argument.
Time for a tutiton refund, dude.
Expalin why 25million + Americans live in poveertry .
You're a useful poster child for the answer.

Attention to detail isn't something you seem to possess.

This is so stupid.
I mean really fucking stupid.
Really, really stupid.
Bush will not be nuking anybody.
If he did, he and his cronies would not only be taken out of power within days, but they'd likely end up in prison. There is no way in hell that a nuclear solution would be tolerated by the American people.
None.

Don't be too sure, unlike North Korea we know Iran will use it's nukes when it develops them. Some stategic airburst nukes to wipe out the governement or Iran would be preferrable toi the things Iran would do. Many, Many people would laud any politician with the balls to do it.

LOL what is an "involuntary part-timer " is that like a retiree that has to supplement his income ? boohoohooo. Should have planned that retirement package a little better.

and what is a "discouraged worker " , Im lost on that one. LOL

Oh and Foley , you cant judge our poverty to the rest of the worlds.There are exceptions but for the most part our poor are fat, own their own car, have 2 televisions in their home and have free health care. tsk tsk tsk , you should know better.

Well maybe not.

"People who want to work but are discouraged about job opportunities and so have given up an active job search are not counted here as unemployed"

Oh thats bullshit, if they are not working they are counted as unemployed.

Poor babies dont like the opportunities.... stop sucking your mommas tit and go do something about it. Poor babies.

Oh thats bullshit, if they are not working they are counted as unemployed.

I am now convinced that you are currently in grade school.

How do you suppose the government knows if someone is currently unemployed? The unemployment rate is figured by looking at the number of people who are registered with their local unemployment office, or people who have recently been hired or fired. If you've been out of the job market for a while, and you have not registered with the unemployment office, you will not be counted in the unemployment rate.

The fact that so many people in the richest country in the world live in poverty is disgusting. With a country as wealthy as the U.S., we should all be upper-middle class.

Ah, the "Strength is Weakness; Weakness is Strength" faux argument.
Time for a tutiton refund, dude.
"Strength is Weakness; Weakness is Strength" ok explain why ? Elaborate ! What strength does America hold ? What card does the US have up its sleeve ? Explain why Iran is acting so brazen whilst America wallows in a policy stupor ?
You're a useful poster child for the answer.

Attention to detail isn't something you seem to possess.
Look mate I dont need you to be my spellcheck on every fucking post you answer of mine . If you cant provide a more elaborate answer other than a banal one line comment dont waste my time answering .
Oh and Foley , you cant judge our poverty to the rest of the worlds.There are exceptions but for the most part our poor are fat, own their own car, have 2 televisions in their home and have free health care. tsk tsk tsk , you should know better
Are the 3.5 million people (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4305.htm) who are homeless in America fat and own a car ?
"People who want to work but are discouraged about job opportunities and so have given up an active job search are not counted here as unemployed"

Oh thats bullshit, if they are not working they are counted as unemployed.

Poor babies dont like the opportunities.... stop sucking your mommas tit and go do something about it. Poor babies.
Why dont you do some research and come back and do a post and write Look Foley here is some evidence which backs up my claim .

I am now convinced that you are currently in grade school.

How do you suppose the government knows if someone is currently unemployed? The unemployment rate is figured by looking at the number of people who are registered with their local unemployment office, or people who have recently been hired or fired. If you've been out of the job market for a while, and you have not registered with the unemployment office, you will not be counted in the unemployment rate.

The fact that so many people in the richest country in the world live in poverty is disgusting. With a country as wealthy as the U.S., we should all be upper-middle class.
You know I am beginning to have a great respect for your outlook , very honest and especially intelligent posting , well done Im sorry I insulted you a while back . ;)

How do you suppose the government knows if someone is currently unemployed? The unemployment rate is figured by looking at the number of people who are registered with their local unemployment office, or people who have recently been hired or fired. If you've been out of the job market for a while, and you have not registered with the unemployment office, you will not be counted in the unemployment rate.

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So theres a few million people that have been laying around the park all day , cause they gotta be homeless right ? They're not working right ? They dont like the jobs out there so they dont go find work right ? I dont call that unemployed, I call it self loathing lazy ass scum who deserve what they dont have.

As far as your other bullshit about everyone in America should be middle class. So sorry. If it sucks here so bad why would you choose to remain living in this country ? Seriously.

And Foley if you think 3.5 million Americans live under the stars then you are as gullible as they come.

Yes the americans are so civil they even sterilise the leathal injection neddle!!!!

Oliver, the US did well with its response to Katrina??

Q: "Explain why 25million + Americans live in poveertry "
A: Capitalism

(about 10% of the population)

Q: Explain why 900million+ Chinese live in poverty
A: Communism

(almost 90% of the population)

And lets not forget that the American standard of poverty is equal to Upper Class living in many many countries. So Brian, once again, you are wrong.

How do you suppose the government knows if someone is currently unemployed? The unemployment rate is figured by looking at the number of people who are registered with their local unemployment office, or people who have recently been hired or fired. If you've been out of the job market for a while, and you have not registered with the unemployment office, you will not be counted in the unemployment rate.

Yep, the times I've been unemployed, I've never once filed for unemployment. Even on the weeks that we get unpaid vacation, I don't file for unemployment even though I technically can and everyone else at my job does it and calls me stupid for not doing so. Sorry, but I'm not a leech even though I would love to screw the system. Just too bad screwing the system just means screwing regular people as we wind up paying for it through more taxes.

So theres a few million people that have been laying around the park all day , cause they gotta be homeless right ? They're not working right ? They dont like the jobs out there so they dont go find work right ? I dont call that unemployed, I call it self loathing lazy ass scum who deserve what they dont have.

No, it's called there being other ways to look for employment without having to file for unemployment while living off whatever money is left until you're broke or find a job. Unemployment offices are usually for the complete poor that don't even have access to a computer to help them find a job. And at most places, they have computers there so you gotta do all the work yourself anyways. Gotta love the internet.

The only real to file for unemployment is to get the free money from the government. Other than that, there's no need to. This is why there are tons of people not included in the unemployment figures. I've never once signed up for unemployment when I've been unemployed so I've never been counted in that statistic. I can guarantee you that unemployment numbers, in reality, are at least double what are released.

Oh yeah, and I've also not had a normal full 40 hours a week for the past 5 years nor are we paid overtime the rare times we may happen to actually work 40+ hours that week. However, I don't mind as I love my freedom so the extra day off is more beneficial to me than the $120+ dollars I may have made that day.

So again, yes, statistics would be a lot different if instead of lumping everyone into a general employed status, if they also showed how many hours each people work, how much they make, if they're registered for unemployment, if they're below poverty even with their job, etc.

And Foley if you think 3.5 million Americans live under the stars then you are as gullible as they come.

Sounds like you've never been anywhere under the stars. Go outside sometime and you'll see em.

I notice em all over the freakin' place. In fact, I can't go by 10 minutes without seeing at least one of em. Oh yeah, and this is in the nicer part of Southern California as well (Ventura and Santa Barbara Counties) where we're also always ranked with two, three, and somtimes four cities in the top 10 safest places to live in the U.S. and all that.

I've also done volunteer service for a shelter and there's a crapload of people that show up, and I'm not even including the people who aren't homeless yet don't make enough money so they still show up anyways for the free meals.

- N

[QUOTE=crazy151drinker]Q: "Explain why 25million + Americans live in poveertry "
A: Capitalism

(about 10% of the population)
Or turn it on its head and see that 0.1% (the corporate class)of the population controls 95% of the nations wealth thats a pig sty for the rich .
Q: Explain why 900million+ Chinese live in poverty
A: Communism

(almost 90% of the population)
Or compare China and Russia under capitaluism before there respective revolutions .
And lets not forget that the American standard of poverty is equal to Upper Class living in many many countries. So Brian, once again, you are wrong.
What country are you talking about here ?
Sounds like you've never been anywhere under the stars. Go outside sometime and you'll see em.

I notice em all over the freakin' place. In fact, I can't go by 10 minutes without seeing at least one of em. Oh yeah, and this is in the nicer part of Southern California as well (Ventura and Santa Barbara Counties) where we're also always ranked with two, three, and somtimes four cities in the top 10 safest places to live in the U.S. and all that.
That is one of the most frightening thing of the freemarket is homelessness whole families suffer it . Even here in Australia it is bad especially in Sydney , what surprises a lot of Australians is in the outback also there is homelessness . A few thousand $ spent on each homeless person would cure this problem .
I've also done volunteer service for a shelter and there's a crapload of people that show up, and I'm not even including the people who aren't homeless yet don't make enough money so they still show up anyways for the free meals.

- N
Well done your a good person with experience of life who understands .

Who gives a fuck what Russia wants. America will do whats right for America... maybe you forgot that.

lol.