All these things seemingly have to do with aliens! Aliens visited pre-historic humans, aliens lived at Atlantis, aliens live inside the Earth according to the Hollow earth theory, aliens built easter island, aliens built the pyramids, aliens were mentioned in the bible (i forget how exactly - something about tall people from the heavens).

Now, assuming all of these stories are more or less true ( a big assumption), how do you try to connect all the stories? What the relationship between the dudes who lived at Atlantis, and the dude who built the pyramids? Etc, etc. Has anyone ever tried to integrate all these stories with eachother?

If you have any links, post em! Any thoughts? Post em!

Popular culture has promoted all of these things as being linked by an underlying belief in aliens. They are not logically linked in any other way. I am not saying that I do not believe in alien lifeforms, because I cannot see how we could be the only intelligent creatures in a universe as vast as this one. That way of thinking is not only statistically unlikely, but arrogantly illogical.
The general assumption of most people is that humanity was not capable of developing advanced technologies before the modern era, and therefore must have had some'outside' help. As far as I know, there is no way to put all of these events and civilizations into one, neatly wrapped package. On an individual basis there are some very interesting features about all of the cultures and theories you mentioned. Individually, MY thoughts are as follows:

Aliens: They do exist, though I have my reservations as to some of the claims some people present. I do, however think that we are, by far, NOT one of the oldest species in the universe, and therefore do not own the 'Cutting-Edge' in technological development capabilities.
Atlantis: I do not believe that we are the first civilization to see some of the technologies we take for granted today. There are to many 'Unexplained' anomalies in our historical records. The Atantis myth is at the bottom of this list. I do think it is probable that an advanced civilization existed before recorded history, but I do not see the necessity of aliens being included in the equation (but this doesn' t exclude them either).
Egyptians: Again, I don't see the necessity of including aliens, but I do also lean toward the fact that there is a lot of weird facts associated with the Egyptian and Sumerian (which existed about the same time) civilizations. According to Zechariah Sitchin ,nd others, these civilizations were the product of information recieved from 'The Gods'. Being that the Sumarian civilization appeared very suddenly with features of highly advanced civil concepts (such as: astronomy, mathematics, medical, architechtural, governmental, etc...), I also am very curious as to how this could happen without some sort of intervention by an outside source.
The Bible: The 'Aliens' you refer to are the 'Nefilim' in Genisis. This term was originally mistranslated as 'Giants', but actually meant 'Those who from heaven to earth fell'. These were apparently a group of 'Angels' whose job was to 'Watch' mankind and report their activities to "God'. This is how they got the name os 'The Watchers' (which, interestingly enough, was the same term in which the Egyptians refered to their 'Gods'). These guys found 'the daughters of men' 'favorable' and impregnated them. Their offspring were '..the great men yore...' (i.e.: Hercules and other 'Hybrids').
There is always more, but time is short...

Welcome to Sciforums Darkin. :)

You are coming in with a very good post. Keep 'em coming...


:cool:

...assuming all of these stories are more or less true...how do you...connect all the stories?
By also assuming ID-10-t reasoning errors.

Pleased to introduce you to G... :p

Originally posted by Mr. G

By also assuming ID-10-t reasoning errors.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is ID-10-t reasoning errors?

id10t = idiot

Computerati jargon = real world example ;)

Originally posted by G
id10t = idiot

Behave, G! :eek:

So, you learned something new today, too? ;)

Surely you won't kill the messenger in your haste to appear in total control? :p

BTW, you're reading far too much into that "...example. ;) ..."

Originally posted by G
So, you learned something new today, too?;)

Unlike others, I do not live on the computer G. ;)
Back ontopic?!


:cool:

Back ontopic?!
Okay. The non-existant really exists! Really. Send me a self-addresseed, stamped envelope, and a check for US$50 and I'll send you the proof.

Hahaha! Get real...:p

I don't believe in Atlantis. I've found this site http://www.tje.net/para/documents/atlantis.htm that claims that they have evidence that Atlantis is not real and therefore no aliens, ancient races, or underground beings.

Surely evidence is not needed to show Atlantis isn't real as there is no evidence that it is real

Aliens: Possible, likely even based on the size of the universe. But i think that if they were anywhere nearby and as advance as people like to say then we would have seen them.

Atlantis: I think it was based on truth but blown out of proportion. I seem to remember reading about a civilization on some mediterranian island that got wasted by a tidal wave set off by a massive volcano. Suposedly the atlantis myth was based on this. I don't think aliens tie in very well.

Hollow Earth: You are joking right? I mean you do realize that if the earth was hollow and moving at its present speed that it would fly out of orbit right?

Easter Island: Ah I see the aliens came to the most remote location on earth and built a bunch of stone statues. The only real question is why did they bother. Oh well nobody said aliens have to be smart.

Pyramids: No need for aliens there. Fully explainable with just humans.

Atlantis was real...
no aliens there, only humans. their civilization was destroyed by the last ice age.
http://www.atlan.org/articles/atlantis2/
hollow earth is ridicilous and laughable...
it's very late now, and these are such big topics.
I'll return tommorow.

Hitler believed in Hollow Earth. He set out a massive campaign to find the entrance.

that is/was his problem

But he was a smart, educated man. He was just a few sandwiches short of a buffet. But some renouned scientists are trying to prove the exsistance of the hollow Earth and some even go as far to claim that 'Aliens' live in the hollow Earth.

maybe aliens have a secret base down there, who knows. I don't , you don't .
but hollow earth theory is complete bs. we havve zonded earth and found no hollowness. bullshit

Apparently, sattalite imagery has shown a black are in one of the poles (I forget which one). Many scientists believe that this is the entrance, but I think its just volcano ash or something. But it will be a hard task to actually find this enterance. You'd have to comb the Earth.

The thoery about the hollow earth is quite far fetched. If the earth was hollow, it would collapse upon itself due to gravity

The Earth's core contains the following radioactive items to keep it super hot. No life forms can survive there....

Nucleus....................Half-life (billions of years)
Potassium-40..........1.28
Rubidium-87.............48
Indium-115..............510,000
Lanthanum-138.......110
Neodymium-144.......2,100,000
Samarium-147..........106
Gadolinium-152........110,000
Lutetium-176........... 36
Hafnium-174............ 2,000,000
Rhenium-187............ 40
Platinum-190............ 600
Platinum-192............ >60,000,000
Thorium-232 ............ 14.1
Uranium-235 ........... 0.7038
Uranium-238 ........... 4.468

Originally posted by Zoidberg
Hitler believed in Hollow Earth. He set out a massive campaign to find the entrance.

And some people believe instead of commiting suicide he fled to the south pole and went to live inside the Earth. Hollow Earth has to be the most ridiculous an far fetched theory.

One site said the 12 races of humans bred by the aliens from Nibiru all escaped to the middle of the Earth to join the Agorath

Say what

Originally posted by Banshee
Welcome to Sciforums Darkin. :)

You are coming in with a very good post. Keep 'em coming...


:cool:

Thank-You and I Hope that I live-up to at least some of the expectations of the members of this forum...

Originally posted by Mr. G
id10t = idiot

Computerati jargon = real world example ;)

I am thankful for your enlightenment. My only other question is who you directed it towards...? and why?...

I dont think that the Hollow Earth theory says that the Earth is really hollow. Its only saying that aliens could be living in bases deep underground, not in the Earth's core.

Originally posted by Neutrino_Albatross
Aliens: Possible, likely even based on the size of the universe. But i think that if they were anywhere nearby and as advance as people like to say then we would have seen them.

Atlantis: I think it was based on truth but blown out of proportion. I seem to remember reading about a civilization on some mediterranian island that got wasted by a tidal wave set off by a massive volcano. Suposedly the atlantis myth was based on this. I don't think aliens tie in very well.

Hollow Earth: You are joking right? I mean you do realize that if the earth was hollow and moving at its present speed that it would fly out of orbit right?

Easter Island: Ah I see the aliens came to the most remote location on earth and built a bunch of stone statues. The only real question is why did they bother. Oh well nobody said aliens have to be smart.

Pyramids: No need for aliens there. Fully explainable with just humans.

:cool:
Aliens: Who's to say we haven't already seen them? Every year there are numerous reports of strange lights in the skys from all over the globe.
If you are talking about face to face encounters, I concede that there is no concrete evidence to support the acutual viewing of these 'Aliens', (except in the alien abduction senario's that leave a lot to be desired as far as actual proof of these events really happening).
I, for one, am not saying these events do not happen. I am only saying that we need some sort of physical proof to corroborate the stories.
Atlantis: The Mediterranian Island you speak of was in the confines of the Mediterranian Sea, which would put it to the EAST of the Pillar's of Hercules. According to the legend, Atlantis was to the WEST of this structure ( which is the opening on the East to the Mediterranian Sea). And I still do not see the neccesity of 'Aliens' being in the picture.
Hollow Earth: I am in total agreement with you here. I have read numerous books on this subject and have been intrigued by some of the theories, but the physics just do not work. If the earth was hollow with a central core similar to a star, the star would essentially have to be so dense that it would have to be either a star composed of only neutrons, quarks, or the dense dark matter of a relatively good sized black-hole. Otherwise, there would not be enough matter to hold together the 'Shell' of the Earth orbiting above it. Plus, Given the density, plus the speed at which the Earth orbits the sun, it would, as you say, not be able to maintain a stable orbit. (Unless, of course, the Earth DOES have a super dense object for a core...hmmmm?...)
Cool theory, but it just doesen't hold water (or together, even...)

regarding Atlantis.
It is said in the scriptures that it was located in the mddle of the ocean. Peple have scanned Atlantic and Pacific ocean beds and found no signs of Atlantis. But the thing is that in greek and previous times, people didn't devide world in oceans like we do today. THere was only one ocean and technically it is correct. We have one world ocan and the middle of it is Antartica. So if we are to look for any lost civilization it is under the ice of Antartica. Like in the legend Antartica consists of several islands (the rest is just ice). And also consider the maps of Piri Race (sp)...you know about what I'm talking about...There is shown Antartica and south america exactly like it was 15 000 b.c. Before the ice covered antartica. The maps was copyed from another mapp in some year 15XX. Such a detailed map with no ice cover we were able to make ourselves only in the late 50s with the help of the sonar. Besides there is shown a thin land crossing (connection) between Antartica and S America, just as it was atleast 15 000 b.c.

Originally posted by Avatar
regarding Atlantis.
It is said in the scriptures that it was located in the mddle of the ocean. Peple have scanned Atlantic and Pacific ocean beds and found no signs of Atlantis. But the thing is that in greek and previous times, people didn't devide world in oceans like we do today. THere was only one ocean and technically it is correct. We have one world ocan and the middle of it is Antartica. So if we are to look for any lost civilization it is under the ice of Antartica. Like in the legend Antartica consists of several islands (the rest is just ice). And also consider the maps of Piri Race (sp)...you know about what I'm talking about...There is shown Antartica and south america exactly like it was 15 000 b.c. Before the ice covered antartica. The maps was copyed from another mapp in some year 15XX. Such a detailed map with no ice cover we were able to make ourselves only in the late 50s with the help of the sonar. Besides there is shown a thin land crossing (connection) between Antartica and S America, just as it was atleast 15 000 b.c.

Yes I know of the 'Piri' map, I have a reproduction (I lucked-up one day at the flea-market and finagled around ten map reproductions for the paltry sum of seven dollars; boy, was I happy!...). But, I diagree with your assessment that Antarctica is a series of islands. Ground penetrating radar studies of this landmass shows it to be an actual continental plate. Studies from core-drilling also confirm this.
Being that this landmass split from the supercontinent of Pangea a few hundered MILLION years ago (at which time Antactica lay in an area called Gondwana), the time-tables you submit do not coincide with the time in wich Atlantis was suppossed to exist.

NenarTronan,

On an earlier post, I mentioned a book, 'The Mayan Prophies' (I have the book sitting infront of me), by Adrian Gilbert and Maurice Cotterell.

Seemingly off subject, but I noticed the request for info on any attempts to link it all together. 1/2 of this book is theory. But the conclusions drawn are not entirely illogical or are they an extended stretch of belief. And it does attempt to link a lot together, I'm sure there are others.
quick ref- The Olmecs and Atlantis. P180.

Avatar,
Remember seeing that on a doco somewhere, any links?

As I said before... An interesting flick.:)

Any new discoveries in archeology in the last 10 years? We have not heard anything that are anamolous?

On the otherhand we are finding planets out there which was just a theory a few years back....

Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction (or pseudoscience...) :D

Originally posted by Darkin


But, I diagree with your assessment that Antarctica is a series of islands. Ground penetrating radar studies of this landmass shows it to be an actual continental plate. Studies from core-drilling also confirm this. yes it is one plate, but it is and was like TWO (not three) big islands. Antarctica consists of two major regions: W Antarctica (c.2,500,000 sq mi/6,475,000 sq km), a mountainous archipelago that includes the Antarctic Peninsula, and E Antarctica (c.3,000,000 sq mi/7,770,000 sq km), geologically a continental shield. http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0856632.html

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/geology/tecall1_4.gif
the numbers show million of years

about Piri's maps (http://www.violations.dabsol.co.uk/discover/discoverpart2.htm)

after reading this I must admit that the map has its flaws, but it is too precise to be just a draw from imagination.

Sorry to come in between your conversation about Atlantis. :) I think this belongs in this thread though. :)


The ruins of temples dated at 12,000 years old have been found near Bimini, Bahamas. Megalithic structures are not supposed to be in the Bahamas.

Preliminary analysis has revealed that the original structures, although smaller in size than the Great Pyramid of Giza, appear to have been more advanced.

Casing stones have been measured which are of the same unique angle as those at the Great Pyramid.

The ruins are megalithic and bear a remarkable resemblance to ancient sites in Egypt. So called "quarry marks" found in the Aswan quarries and also on the Great Pyramid, itself, appear to be identical matches with those found on the Bimini temple stones.

One major difference, however, between the Egyptian sites and these stones is that on The Bimini stones you find a great number of sky maps which have recorded the paths of various heavenly bodies. The major concern of the mysterious ancient civilization that produced these heavenly maps seems to have been Saturn and Jupiter - with the oldest records reflecting an
emphasis in Saturn.

Some of the stones are under water and some of them are under the sand under water. They are not in their original formation.

It appears that the most important or revered numbers associated with these ruins were the numbers five and nine. These numbers were also of great significance to the ancients of Egypt and Meso-America.

Evidence indicates that a "checkerboard" calculator system was being used. Examples of this system were found on top of the Great Pyramid and were long used for numerical calculations in Meso-America.

This same checkerboard pattern shows up on the lintel stones of temples built by Celts of Iberian origin. Also, according to some astronomers, this pattern served as a calendar regulator to measure the sunrise and sunset directions on solstices and equinoxes.

Other characteristics closely match features at megalithic sites in Peru, the Yucatan, Ireland and Scandinavia.

Analysis of these enigmatic ancient temples built near Bimini over 12,000 years ago has only just begun.

Although many maps of the heavenly realm adorn various walls of these mysterious Bimini temples, there is an almost complete lack of other markings. Of the limited glyphs that do exist, however, several match those found in the famous Altamira Cave in Spain (known as the Sistine Chapel of pre-history) which contains the well-known bison painting. In addition, there are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors.

One of the unique features of the ancient temple ruins, built near Bimini by an unknown advanced civilization which apparently was thriving while most of the rest of the world was plodding through the Stone Ages, is that these stones may be far more likely to yield an accurate account of their true age than most of the famous megalithic sites around the world.

There are also instances in which lava has flowed in between some of the temple stones which may give scientists an approximate date when submitted to testing.

The antiquity of the stones almost leaps out at you upon first glance. There are hollows which have been left in certain broken stones which have undergone such an extensive amount of crystal growth upon their inner surfaces that they now look like the inside of a geode!

In many cases, the cement that once held the huge stones together is now completely crystallized. Some of the massive granite blocks, themselves, now exhibit significant portions, which have metamorphosed over the ages to the point where they are no longer even granite.

But perhaps, most significant of all is the fact that organic matter has been found within a hermetic seal; along with unrusted, worked iron. The iron began to rust soon after the seal was opened, however, which would indicate that the seat had prevented the entry of oxygen for thousands of years. The organic matter was in pristine condition and should prove to be
an interesting target for dating procedures. Other hermetic seals, which have yet to be opened, are know to exist as well.

Edgar Cayce predicted that just this sort of thing would be discovered. These findings not only match Cayce's predictions but Plato's writings There are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors (including red, white and black).

- Miami Museum of Science

simply amazing, Banshee!

I'm so astonished by the world we live in!

As I see the map develop from 300 million years and to the present, it occurs to me that advanced life forms if any say 200 miilon years ago will show up as fossils in Central, Noth-east Russia, Central China and India.

So may be digging should start in those areas....

Didnot they find some type of topo map in Russia (posted elsewhere)...

Has anyone done any simulation as to what the earth will look like in another 50 and 100 million years to the future?

Latest findings from Nature...(Are they really primitive or developed specis that perished or taken off the planet?)

The search for the earliest fossil evidence of the human lineage has been concentrated in East Africa. Here we report the discovery of six hominid specimens from Chad, central Africa, 2,500 km from the East African Rift Valley. The fossils include a nearly complete cranium and fragmentary lower jaws. The associated fauna suggest the fossils are between 6 and 7 million years old. The fossils display a unique mosaic of primitive and derived characters, and constitute a new genus and species of hominid. The distance from the Rift Valley, and the great antiquity of the fossils, suggest that the earliest members of the hominid clade were more widely distributed than has been thought, and that the divergence between the human and chimpanzee lineages was earlier than indicated by most molecular studies.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v418/n6894/images/nature00879-f1.2.jpg

who will doubt now anymore that there has been an ancient civilization. what is our pesky 12 000 years of recorded civilised society (Egypt - 10 000b.c.) compared to the 6 000 000 years of our existance.

That is what I have been saying all along....that our 100,000 year eve theory is just a bump.

I think humanoid civilizations have been here for over 200 million years off and on. If any one got out to stars, they could return and see latest group tinkering with science.....

The problem is if they look different than us, then would they interact with us? Like as in slider - cromags or elongated heads....

Aliens: Who's to say we haven't already seen them? Every year there are numerous reports of strange lights in the skys from all over the globe.
I suppose its possible but i still think that if there was some super-advanced visiting us than we should be able to detect them. (like mabey see them comming toward us) However it may be possible that they are trying to avoid detection but im not sure why. Why come all the way to Earth for no other purpose than to look around and mabey grab some guy that no one will believe and do "experiments" on him.
Atlantis: The Mediterranian Island you speak of was in the confines of the Mediterranian Sea, which would put it to the EAST of the Pillar's of Hercules. According to the legend, Atlantis was to the WEST of this structure ( which is the opening on the East to the Mediterranian Sea). And I still do not see the neccesity of 'Aliens' being in the picture.
But at the time history was passed down orally so mistakes are likely. The civilization i was refering to did exist. It was probally wiped out by a tidal wave. It was slightly more advanced than most of its neighbors. Its possible that a storyteller/historian got the location wrong.

And can anybody tell me how the hollow-earth theory actually started?

Originally posted by Banshee
Edgar Cayce predicted that just this sort of thing would be discovered. These findings not only match Cayce's predictions but Plato's writings There are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors (including red, white and black).

- Miami Museum of Science [/B]

...A portion of temples[of Atlantis] may yet to be discovered under the slime of ages of sea water- near what is known as Bimini, off the coast of Florida. Edgar Cayce on Atlantis, P90.

The site was discovered by Dr J Manson Valentine 1968.

Cayce believed that Bimini was actually part of the island of 'Poseidia'. Cayce also predicted 'that when the time was right
a secret chamber would be found at Bimini... And in time two others, one at the Sphinx and the other in the ruins of the Iltar temple in the Yucatan'. Cayce predicted that all three chambers would indeed hold records relating to the final destruction of Atlantis at approxiemately 10,500BC.

Cayce also predicted that climatic changes on Earth, around the new millennium; would cause Europe to freeze(further):D and large areas, each side of America To sink.

Cayce also predicted that climatic changes on Earth, around the new millennium; would cause Europe to freeze(further) and large areas, each side of America To sink.

No prediction as to the date?

Too many psychics have predicted that Utah will be beach front property and bottom half of Louisiana along woth coastal Texas will be gone.

That is possible in 10, 100, 1000, or 10,000 years....

We shall see....

Mr Cayce made those Predictions on the 28th June 1940 not five years before he died.

Any guesses:D as to how he got so close to the mark on Bimini?
America still floats... Don't worry!:D

I mean it's not like my 'stab in the dark', see 'Date for official Alien landing'.:)

Originally posted by Banshee
Sorry to come in between your conversation about Atlantis. :) I think this belongs in this thread though. :)


The ruins of temples dated at 12,000 years old have been found near Bimini, Bahamas. Megalithic structures are not supposed to be in the Bahamas.

Preliminary analysis has revealed that the original structures, although smaller in size than the Great Pyramid of Giza, appear to have been more advanced.

Casing stones have been measured which are of the same unique angle as those at the Great Pyramid.

The ruins are megalithic and bear a remarkable resemblance to ancient sites in Egypt. So called "quarry marks" found in the Aswan quarries and also on the Great Pyramid, itself, appear to be identical matches with those found on the Bimini temple stones.

One major difference, however, between the Egyptian sites and these stones is that on The Bimini stones you find a great number of sky maps which have recorded the paths of various heavenly bodies. The major concern of the mysterious ancient civilization that produced these heavenly maps seems to have been Saturn and Jupiter - with the oldest records reflecting an
emphasis in Saturn.

Some of the stones are under water and some of them are under the sand under water. They are not in their original formation.

It appears that the most important or revered numbers associated with these ruins were the numbers five and nine. These numbers were also of great significance to the ancients of Egypt and Meso-America.

Evidence indicates that a "checkerboard" calculator system was being used. Examples of this system were found on top of the Great Pyramid and were long used for numerical calculations in Meso-America.

This same checkerboard pattern shows up on the lintel stones of temples built by Celts of Iberian origin. Also, according to some astronomers, this pattern served as a calendar regulator to measure the sunrise and sunset directions on solstices and equinoxes.

Other characteristics closely match features at megalithic sites in Peru, the Yucatan, Ireland and Scandinavia.

Analysis of these enigmatic ancient temples built near Bimini over 12,000 years ago has only just begun.

Although many maps of the heavenly realm adorn various walls of these mysterious Bimini temples, there is an almost complete lack of other markings. Of the limited glyphs that do exist, however, several match those found in the famous Altamira Cave in Spain (known as the Sistine Chapel of pre-history) which contains the well-known bison painting. In addition, there are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors.

One of the unique features of the ancient temple ruins, built near Bimini by an unknown advanced civilization which apparently was thriving while most of the rest of the world was plodding through the Stone Ages, is that these stones may be far more likely to yield an accurate account of their true age than most of the famous megalithic sites around the world.

There are also instances in which lava has flowed in between some of the temple stones which may give scientists an approximate date when submitted to testing.

The antiquity of the stones almost leaps out at you upon first glance. There are hollows which have been left in certain broken stones which have undergone such an extensive amount of crystal growth upon their inner surfaces that they now look like the inside of a geode!

In many cases, the cement that once held the huge stones together is now completely crystallized. Some of the massive granite blocks, themselves, now exhibit significant portions, which have metamorphosed over the ages to the point where they are no longer even granite.

But perhaps, most significant of all is the fact that organic matter has been found within a hermetic seal; along with unrusted, worked iron. The iron began to rust soon after the seal was opened, however, which would indicate that the seat had prevented the entry of oxygen for thousands of years. The organic matter was in pristine condition and should prove to be
an interesting target for dating procedures. Other hermetic seals, which have yet to be opened, are know to exist as well.

Edgar Cayce predicted that just this sort of thing would be discovered. These findings not only match Cayce's predictions but Plato's writings There are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors (including red, white and black).

- Miami Museum of Science

Way cool! If you could give some source material, I would be very grateful. These discoveries are new to me and I would definitely like to read more about this.
I am sure you are also aware of the 'New' discoveries of under-water structures (including pyramids...) between the Yucatan and Cuba.
Any info you could provide would really tickle my brain.

Originally posted by kmguru
Any new discoveries in archeology in the last 10 years? We have not heard anything that are anamolous?

On the otherhand we are finding planets out there which was just a theory a few years back....

Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction (or pseudoscience...) :D

I do not know if it is anomalous, but recently it was announced that submerged structures (including pyramids) have found between the Yucatan Peninsula and Cuba at depths of around half-a-mile. The claims are that the area could be older than 6000 years.
There are rumors that the US Navy knew of these structures decades ago (around the same time I heard the rumor...Hmmm?..)
I do not believe that this a 'New' discovery (except in that this info has just been released... to the Public...)

Sometimes truth is ALWAYS stranger than fiction. (What spurred the bureaucratic fears of releasing this information to the Public so many years ago?

if we follow the same logic, then a contact with aliens could have been established in 40s (not that I believe it)...

Human skeleton found to be 6 000 000 to 7 000 000 million years old.......ruins of a lost civilization 6000 and 15 000 (by the coasts of India) years old....what next our history has prepeared for us....:cool: :) and what is known but kept secret...:mad: :eek:

I can only provide *this link* (http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/pacific_anomaps.html) at the moment. I will look for a more up to date link, because this one is from six months ago. After this there's been new discoveries off the coast of Cuba and India either...

Originally posted by BobG


And some people believe instead of commiting suicide he fled to the south pole and went to live inside the Earth. Hollow Earth has to be the most ridiculous an far fetched theory.

One site said the 12 races of humans bred by the aliens from Nibiru all escaped to the middle of the Earth to join the Agorath

Please tell us the website this information came from. I have read ALL of Sitchens books and have never read anything that supports this 'Theory'.
Please do not take this in the wrong way. Zecharia Sitchen has some very interesting ideas, and some of them are worthy of further thought. But I have never heard or read anything pertaining to the matters you just presented as being part of his theories....

:cool: Hopefully, my friend, I may just have what you are inquiring about (or a close facsimile thereof).
I have a book: The Hollow Earth/Dr. Raymond Bernard,A.B, M.A., Ph.D. / First Carol Paperbacks Edition (cpy-writ)1991.
It is one of those 'Conspiracy Books' about government cover-ups.
The credit goes to: Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd in a statement he made in 1947: "I'd like to see that 'Land Beyond The (North) Pole'. That area is the center of the 'Great Unknown' ". This was the the statement he made before his 'Seven-Hour, 1700 mile flight BEYOND the North Pole'!
I have more, but it is easier to look it up on the net...And can anybody tell me how the hollow-earth theory actually started

Have we tested any atomic weapons under north pole?

Russians have by their very far north borders..It's not N-pole, but close.

This adds another twist to the 'Hollow Earth Theory'. Hypothetically, this would either get the attention of the 'Innerearth Civilization', or open the 'Door' for us Surface Dwellers'.

Avatar; please tell us more about the Russian tests....

what I know only is that they sent criminals and rebels to camps in far north and did nuclear testings there - full scale nuclear blasts

what I could find on-net
http://www.american.edu/TED/ARCTIC.HTM
http://www.clw.org/coalition/n-testing030401.htm
http://www.syslab.ceu.hu/~tchirkov/catalogue/russia.htm


also about tests
http://www.radjournal.com/news/whwarns.htm

Plato said that Atlantis was beyond the Straits of Gibralter (Hercules) but did not cite a cardinal direction from that point, i.e., north, east, south, or west. He did not say to take a left- or right-hand turn or go straight through the Atlantic beyond the Straits of Gibralter.

As a matter of rigor, the devastation of a land mass the size of Atlantis would leave some physical evidence. Geologist Otto Muck found that tectonic structure showed a "fit" between different areas, except in one location in the Atlantic where a "piece" appeared to be missing in the geometric (predictable) movement of tectonic / continental drift.

The missing piece in the tectonic structure is towards the Americas, and the Americas are certainly beyond the Straits of Gibralter in the Atlantic. This, of course, fits Plato's general description.

Logically, there would have been signs of sinking for a long period of time before Atlantis disappeared beneath the water line. This would have given, and undoubtedly did give, residents the opportunity to relocate. Remnants of a base-line culture are seen in ancient landmarks around the Atlantic rim, in Nova Scotia, British Isles, Africa, Brazil, and America. One must assume that residents of Atlantis acted in the interests of self-preservation, which, on a sinking continent, would mean finding stable land.

The idea that the people of Atlantis would helplessly watch their home sink without migrating to more stable grounds is silly. Thus, we find remnants of an ancient culture scattered around the Atlantic rim.




Now, I am not sure whether this is posted before and do not really have the time to re-read the whole thread at the moment. If this is spoken of already, then please, ignore it. Or better yet, tell it, so I can remove it again. Thanx...:)

Once we get the idea that the pilots who shut down nuclear missile sites from orbiting unidentified flying objects (UFO) are comparable, if not identical, to the olden gods reported to travel in sky boats, mysteries of the ages make a little more sense. The sudden appearance of civilization amid the company of olden gods acquires a new lens of observation. The magic and mystery of mighty gods can be translated as science and technology when extraterrestrial scientists lived side-by-side with primitive humans. Modern UFO’s are reported with similar features as ancient sky boats, drawing continuity into the background of radically changing human culture.

If the ancient gods were really extraterrestrial scientists who have been continuously active in the backdrop of developing civilization for thousands of years, some people suggest they should land on the White House lawn to prove the reality of their existence. The extraterrestrials anciently recognized as gods and modernly known as ET’s apparently don’t want to prove their existence to the President of the United States, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or the media. ET’s attitude seems to be that s/he knew humankind when the specie was still hunting and gathering along glacial melt lines and will visit this planet long after the last human has packed off to parts unknown. ET comes and goes when ET wants and doesn’t worry too much about the White House and, in doing this, ET controls belief in UFO’s by the number and proximity of sightings and contacts.

While ET does not play with the same political rules as modern civilization and has never offered an exclusive interview with any recognized media network, there’s consistent method to UFO appearances and contacts. The big picture of ET’s method is drawn from the long version of history with special attention on the factor of human foible in reported contacts. Once probable elements of human ambition, fantasy, and ignorance are extracted from historical accounts, there’s not much solid data about ET left. Only broad strokes remain in the big picture of ET’s method over several thousands years. Using the machinations to appropriate and obscure data from crop circles in recent years as an index of the human factor, very little historical knowledge about ET can be considered reliable. Zecharia Sitchin’s Earth Chronicles provide the most detailed information with any hope of reliability, while Sitchin has the records of only one ET faction among many who may have had contact with Planet Earth.

Accounts of separating humans and confounding language made by Zecharia Sitchin as well as several cultural accounts indicates that ET’s / gods once organized a division of the earth into domains and segmented a once complete body of knowledge into regions. Hebraic literature indicates this was done as a result of Man’s evil, and Sitchin interprets this to mean that humans were attempting to develop technology that challenged the gods at an early date. The reasoning that supports this hypothesis is too lengthy to deal with here, and the likelihood of this pivotal event is addressed in “The Twelfth Planet” by Zecharia Sitchin.

The larger body of knowledge that enabled ET to colonize a distant planet was widely known among the gods and a handful of human initiates when human civilization was too new to pose a threat. With human culture separated into distinct regions, each region getting a portion of a larger body of knowledge, the challenge of the future would be bringing diverse cultures into global community when the development curve mandated that discovering “the others” was inevitable and cooperation was necessary. That’s where we are now. The power of the whole body of knowledge anciently encoded in pyramid centers around the globe that was later segmented into lesser portions is the bedrock of this scenario.

Diverse cultures built on fragments are conditioned to seek dominance over cultures that contain fragments others have lost. The only way to excavate the lost body of ancient knowledge is to identify the earliest roots of key branches of culture and strip out thousands of years of human foible to reveal what ET had to say when civilization was first seeded. To reveal hidden knowledge to any modern faction, giving it a scientific superiority over its neighbors, would be devastating at this time in human evolution.

Pragmatically, we cannot go back to the beginning of culture anymore than we can go to anything exactly as it was in an earlier time. An ET source from TimeStar calls efforts to hang onto the past getting “stuck in the past”. Since the era when ET scattered humans and confounded language, ET and humans have changed. The only thing worth having from this critical path is knowledge gleaned that can be applied to something better in the present, that is capable of surviving into the future in a worthy way.

Some ET elements modernly associated with Planet Earth work to direct attention into recovering lost knowledge and synthesizing it into newly viable understanding. After testing the data Sirian George offered in a UFO contact for a decade, TimeStar concludes that the primary focus of an ET source and his associates is to restore lost knowledge and evolve new applications to better serve all of humankind.

This ET source & Associates are convinced that we humans are going to do the job ourselves and do not need external intervention. They are willing to show us how to fish but are not willing to do our fishing for us.


Written and commented by TimeStar - Krsanna Duran.

This is posted in another thread, here in Pseudo Science also, because of a question from a new member. It was easier to do it like this. This new member:Look up to the skies, has not visited this thread and this reply may be of use. Or not of course...;)

Originally posted by Banshee
Sorry to come in between your conversation about Atlantis. :) I think this belongs in this thread though. :)


The ruins of temples dated at 12,000 years old have been found near Bimini, Bahamas. Megalithic structures are not supposed to be in the Bahamas.

Preliminary analysis has revealed that the original structures, although smaller in size than the Great Pyramid of Giza, appear to have been more advanced.

Casing stones have been measured which are of the same unique angle as those at the Great Pyramid.

The ruins are megalithic and bear a remarkable resemblance to ancient sites in Egypt. So called "quarry marks" found in the Aswan quarries and also on the Great Pyramid, itself, appear to be identical matches with those found on the Bimini temple stones.

One major difference, however, between the Egyptian sites and these stones is that on The Bimini stones you find a great number of sky maps which have recorded the paths of various heavenly bodies. The major concern of the mysterious ancient civilization that produced these heavenly maps seems to have been Saturn and Jupiter - with the oldest records reflecting an
emphasis in Saturn.

Some of the stones are under water and some of them are under the sand under water. They are not in their original formation.

It appears that the most important or revered numbers associated with these ruins were the numbers five and nine. These numbers were also of great significance to the ancients of Egypt and Meso-America.

Evidence indicates that a "checkerboard" calculator system was being used. Examples of this system were found on top of the Great Pyramid and were long used for numerical calculations in Meso-America.

This same checkerboard pattern shows up on the lintel stones of temples built by Celts of Iberian origin. Also, according to some astronomers, this pattern served as a calendar regulator to measure the sunrise and sunset directions on solstices and equinoxes.

Other characteristics closely match features at megalithic sites in Peru, the Yucatan, Ireland and Scandinavia.

Analysis of these enigmatic ancient temples built near Bimini over 12,000 years ago has only just begun.

Although many maps of the heavenly realm adorn various walls of these mysterious Bimini temples, there is an almost complete lack of other markings. Of the limited glyphs that do exist, however, several match those found in the famous Altamira Cave in Spain (known as the Sistine Chapel of pre-history) which contains the well-known bison painting. In addition, there are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors.

One of the unique features of the ancient temple ruins, built near Bimini by an unknown advanced civilization which apparently was thriving while most of the rest of the world was plodding through the Stone Ages, is that these stones may be far more likely to yield an accurate account of their true age than most of the famous megalithic sites around the world.

There are also instances in which lava has flowed in between some of the temple stones which may give scientists an approximate date when submitted to testing.

The antiquity of the stones almost leaps out at you upon first glance. There are hollows which have been left in certain broken stones which have undergone such an extensive amount of crystal growth upon their inner surfaces that they now look like the inside of a geode!

In many cases, the cement that once held the huge stones together is now completely crystallized. Some of the massive granite blocks, themselves, now exhibit significant portions, which have metamorphosed over the ages to the point where they are no longer even granite.

But perhaps, most significant of all is the fact that organic matter has been found within a hermetic seal; along with unrusted, worked iron. The iron began to rust soon after the seal was opened, however, which would indicate that the seat had prevented the entry of oxygen for thousands of years. The organic matter was in pristine condition and should prove to be
an interesting target for dating procedures. Other hermetic seals, which have yet to be opened, are know to exist as well.

Edgar Cayce predicted that just this sort of thing would be discovered. These findings not only match Cayce's predictions but Plato's writings There are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors (including red, white and black).

- Miami Museum of Science :
bugeye:
I am, also, very intrigued by the artifacts around Bimini. Please help me here. I cannot find any leads on the information you present.
Would you please provide a source or link to the information you have provided?

Mmmm, interesting thread! I'm a disbeliever, though.

Ancient astronauts: Of course, Earth might have had visitors from space at some time, but why is it that every time we see evidence of ancient humans doing something remotely like what we acieve today, we claim that alens must have helped them? For at least 150,000 years human beings have been every bit as intelligent, inventive, inquisitive as us. "Plodding through the stone age" --- all evidence shows that stone age cultures all over the world were complex and advanced. True, their technology was fairly primitive compared to ours, but they achieved great things with it. They did not need outside help.

The Bible: Well, I've actually read it, all of it (surprisingly few people have), and it is an interesting historic and religious document, but it is really just a collection of legends. Most of the ppropheties are extremely vague, others are self-fulfilling.

Hollow Earth: I think it originates in the old belief of the Underworld; most mythologies deal with an underworld. Without a scientific insight, underground seems a logical place for such a thing to be located. However, we now know that the idea is as close to impossible as anything can get from a scientific point of view; any concieveable system runs into impossible problems of instability, energy balance etc. There exists a nice sattelite picture showing a very large black hole at and around the North Pole: If this picture was true, there would be no difficulty finding it! -- And the interiour would be pitch black. But the picture is not true. It isnt a fake either, it shows the entire Northern Hemisphere and has been composed of hundreds of individual pictures taken from a low-flying sattelite. This sattelite's orbit doesnt take it over the North Pole, however, hence the left-out area there.

Easter Island: This is really a very typical example of how such myths are created; you take some obeservations, preferably citing early explores who will be asking a lot of questions, then you ignore any answers later found, and thus you have a big mystery that can be used as basis for fantastic theories. When Easter Island was colonized, it was a close call from Paradise; densely forested, in a sea teeming with fish, it could support a surprisingly big population for its size. This population, isolated as it was, developed its own peculiar religion, which led it to create and erect strange statues al over the island. After a time, the island became deforested, the strange culture collapsed and its rites were forgotten. An early example of ecology disaster. We have discovered how they made the statues, we have found out how they moved them and erected them, and we have calculated that the island used to have the ressources for doing it. The Easter Island culture is still highly intriguing, but it is not that mysterious.

Pyramids: Egyptians have been building pyramids for about 3,500 years (they still do it), and the pyramid technology has evolved steadily, with the Ghiza complex as the apex [sic]. There are distinct stages in this development, and we can see how the technique gets more and more advanced. We see also failed pyramids that have collapsed within decades after their completion.

Atlantis: Santorini has been named as a good candidate for Atlantis; it housed an important and dominant culture, it was situated in the middle of the ocean (to the ancients, the Mediterranian was the ocean), it effectively sank into the sea at approximately the right time. -- It was not west of the Pillars of Hercules, but geographic statements in legends are notoriously unreliable.

Hans

There is no evidence for atlanti apart from Plato. How people can believe it

Too long

:rolleyes:
Could you,...Would you... reply with something that makes sense?

If alien visitors are capable to visit us at any time, they must have

either a very long lasting civilization without any bad catastrophic backdrafts like thermonuclear war, or asteroid impacts etc...


or

the technique of time travel for their visits on Earth

to visit mankind at any instant of it's evolution and master the enormous distances between solar systems or galaxies ....


In that case the visitors could even be from an alien civilization from Mars, far in the past or in the future.
We simply don't see ithem because their world does not exist at this moment !

Interesting thoery. Never thought of it like that

Oh yeah. Welcome to Sciforums

As sun gets hotter over the last billion years and continues for another billion years, the temperate zone for life has shifted from Venus to Earth now and towards Mars in the future. (saw in the discovery channel)

So, take your pick of time zone to the planet...Venus in the past and Mars in the future....

Originally posted by kmguru
That is what I have been saying all along....that our 100,000 year eve theory is just a bump.

I think humanoid civilizations have been here for over 200 million years off and on. If any one got out to stars, they could return and see latest group tinkering with science.....

The problem is if they look different than us, then would they interact with us? Like as in slider - cromags or elongated heads....

Something to consider: over the last 10,000 years or so virtually all of the earth's easily accessible metal deposits have been stripped away. We're now mining ore veins that we never would have bothered with even a few hundred years ago because all the rich , easily accessible metallic deposits are gone. I'm not a geologist, but I'm sure a consultation with a geology textbook will confirm that these kinds of metal deposits take a very, very long time to form.

To me this would seem to indicate that we're the first, since it's pretty unlikely that any 'advanced civilization' that came before us could have gotten along without metal. I suppose it's possible that they kept their population very small and thus never used much metal, but again this seems unlikely - humans seem to have a natural tendency to expand and reproduce, especially in the favorable conditions that an advanced civilization would provide.

Originally posted by Nasor
Something to consider: over the last 10,000 years or so virtually all of the earth's easily accessible metal deposits have been stripped away. We're now mining ore veins that we never would have bothered with even a few hundred years ago because all the rich , easily accessible metallic deposits are gone. I'm not a geologist, but I'm sure a consultation with a geology textbook will confirm that these kinds of metal deposits take a very, very long time to form.

That is an excellent point...However, if you look at the 600 million year cycle of our planet, you can see how continents shifted. I am sure it accompanied volcanos and asteroid impacts to for stuff to rise to the top. The other part is, we really dont know if all the continental mass area has been above sea level all the time or they just move up and down. Also, heavy industries is not a pre-requisite for nanotechnology and computers. One does not need a lot of metal to produce lasers or super conductors.

The previous civilization could have used water, gravity, lasers, fusion, organic computers etc which has a lower requirement for metals. Most of our metal uses are in military hardware, trains, planes, automobiles and some in building industry for a skyscrapper civilization.

If our computer technology keeps improving the way it is going, plus say we develop site to site transport and atomic assemby of products using nanotechnology- our requirements for major expressway, trains, and downtown buildings will disappear. Then if we learn to use hydrogen and oxygen from water as energy source, then the demand for metals from earth will reduce significantly as well as a network of roads...

I am not saying that is what happened - and it is more like the simple answer is the right one....but it is possible that humanoid societies all over the galaxy do not evolve the same way.... and it is an intellectual exercise to see if such is possible....for fun...

Originally posted by kmguru
The previous civilization could have used water, gravity, lasers, fusion, organic computers etc which has a lower requirement for metals. Most of our metal uses are in military hardware, trains, planes, automobiles and some in building industry for a skyscrapper civilization.

{snip}

I am not saying that is what happened - and it is more like the simple answer is the right one

I think it's a given that to get to the higher technologies you first have to develop lower technology. Else an Amazonian native indian could design and build an organic computer. That means developing the industrial revolution first. Which in turn involves heavy use of base metals and hydrocarbon fuels or similar. If there was a previous, native, highly advanced civilization on this Earth they would have exhausted natural resources first. The ready abundance of these resources are good evidence this putative civilization never existed. They may have used some other resource but again there would be ample evidence of that.

You could argue it came here from outer space. In which case they built a whole load of low tech monuments with high tech implements and left no evidence for it. They where environmentally aware and picked up every bit of rubbish but leaving clues to make it look like the natives done it?

Does that mean World war I and II is a pre-requisite to the Information society too? Think of the amount of metals used in War machinary....

200 years from now, when we lose all our roads, trains, large ships and major steel mills, do you think the students at the time will still think, industrial revolution in a major way was a necessity...(a la Futureshock) ...hindsight is 20/20....

Look at the destruction at WTC tower. One could not find a single computer, telephone or any physical item. Everything turned to dust. Now imagine a major asteroid impact. Do you think, all the cars, trains and everything will still remain intact?

Oh! BTW, many years ago I read that a group of settlers came from Mizar star system and got dropped off on Earth with a tricorder type device to record the pharmaceutical properties of local herbs and its actions/ indications on human body that is listed in the 3rd Veda. If we document such information today, it will take more than 500 years with our HPLC and computers and reagent labs.

Originally posted by thed

If there was a previous, native, highly advanced civilization on this Earth they would have exhausted natural resources first. The ready abundance of these resources are good evidence this putative civilization never existed. They may have used some other resource but again there would be ample evidence of that.



Of course maybe all the previous civilizations used some fantastic resource that was better than metal, but we've never been able to find it because they used it all up!

Seriously though, I agree that it seems highly unlikely that a civilization would be able to develop advanced technology like integrated circuits or lasers without first progressing through things like steam power or internal combustion engines. All other reasons aside, you need some level of automation to free up people to be scientists instead of serfs.

A good example of this is the indigenous population of Central America. According to Jared Diamond's book 'Guns, Germs, and Steel' they didn't have access to any metal that was suitable for tool making, so they were forced to rely on wood, glass, and stone. Even though their society was older than the Europeans who eventually conquered them, they weren't able to make any appreciable technological advancement because they just didn't have the raw materials - there's only so much you can do when you're working with rocks. They made impressive advances in mathematics and astronomy, but they couldn't compete with the Spanish, who’s society had easy access to copper and iron and were much more highly developed. You see the same thing on various isolated Pacific islands.

So, should we conclude that the use of Uranium should be the highest form of civilization then? And a space fairing civilization should be using a lot of Uranium?

Or are we going the otherway using nanotechnology, cabon tubes, ceramics, polyalloys etc...?

Originally posted by kmguru
So, should we conclude that the use of Uranium should be the highest form of civilization then? And a space fairing civilization should be using a lot of Uranium?

Or are we going the otherway using nanotechnology, cabon tubes, ceramics, polyalloys etc...?

What do you mean by 'highest form of civilization'?

A civilization that can support over 6 billion people, feed and clothes them, provides instant communication across the globe, provides knowledge about the universe around us and let you physically see your dear ones across the globe in a matter of few hours.

OR something like that...

Uranium use isn’t necessary for our society – it’s just helpful. Metal, on the other hand, is quite necessary.

In what concerns UFO construction material and the need of metal,

you can remember the movie "mission alien" some years old ...


There was an UFO constructed ( or "grown" ? ) of organic vegetal meterial.

But this is an extreme idea.

Maybe not impossible but i don't know how that could support high speed which causes hot temperatures when entering atmosphere ... ?

But there are bacteria which live in hot spots on earth so organic material can support heat !

Originally posted by kmguru
As sun gets hotter over the last billion years and continues for another billion years, the temperate zone for life has shifted from Venus to Earth now and towards Mars in the future. (saw in the discovery channel)

So, take your pick of time zone to the planet...Venus in the past and Mars in the future....

Hey genius. Sorry this is late ...
I believe that the Sun is cooling. IF in fact the "face" on our favorite Martian planet was created by another civilization then they likely moved inward toward the sun to Earth.
The closer you get toward the Sun the more solar energy there is to collect and utilize for travel.
Question: when the Sun REALLY cools where do we go? Pray for a star gate of some sort because it's gonna be cold.

Sun could be cooling or getting hotter depending on where you get your information. So we look to Venus or Mars depending...


September 30, 1997

Sun Is Getting Hotter, Satellite Data Indicate
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ASHINGTON -- The Sun is getting hotter, adding heat to the global warming that has been linked to greenhouse gases that trap heat in the atmosphere.

Solar radiation reaching the Earth is 0.036 percent warmer than it was in 1986, when the current solar cycle was beginning, said a study published on Friday in the journal Science. The finding is based on an analysis of data from satellites that measure the temperature of sunlight.

The increase is only a small fraction of the Sun's total heat, but over a century, it would be enough to seriously aggravate problems of global warming, said Dr. Richard C. Willson of Columbia University's Center for Climate Systems Research.
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One might conclude that as the sun consumes itself it would cool. But as the mass gets denser the rate of atom smashing increases and consequently the heat increases, he said.


About the year 5,000,001,939 when the sun reaches its maximum illumination, it will be about one hundred times as bright as it is today, he said. The earth will have become a cinder.

Answers are here:

www.thiaoouba.com/ebook.htm

I found this to be the most coherent set of information that covers not only all the stuff in your post (like Easter Island, pyramids, atlantis) but much much more.

If it sounds too incredible, it's probably because it's actually true...

Originally posted by Avatar
regarding Atlantis.
It is said in the scriptures that it was located in the mddle of the ocean.

[SNIP]

And also consider the maps of Piri Race (sp)...you know about what I'm talking about...There is shown Antartica and south america exactly like it was 15 000 b.c. Before the ice covered antartica. The maps was copyed from another mapp in some year 15XX. Such a detailed map with no ice cover we were able to make ourselves only in the late 50s with the help of the sonar. Besides there is shown a thin land crossing (connection) between Antartica and S America, just as it was atleast 15 000 b.c.

What scriptures? Do you mean Plato.

As for Piri Re'is's map, people need to read Greg McIntosh's book if they want to know about it. It doesn't show Antarctica.

There are some articles linked to my web site on this map: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk

Doug

Originally posted by Banshee
Sorry to come in between your conversation about Atlantis. :) I think this belongs in this thread though. :)


The ruins of temples dated at 12,000 years old have been found near Bimini, Bahamas. Megalithic structures are not supposed to be in the Bahamas.

Preliminary analysis has revealed that the original structures, although smaller in size than the Great Pyramid of Giza, appear to have been more advanced.

Casing stones have been measured which are of the same unique angle as those at the Great Pyramid.

[SNIP]
- Miami Museum of Science

Total nonsense. Note the lack of references, except the highly misleading mention of the Miami Museum of Science, which my parents and grandparents helped found.

You will find on some websites the suggestion that an Egyptology Society affiliated to the Miami Museum of Science backs this. The Miami Museum of Science let the speaker on these hoax stones rent a lecture room -- that was their affiliation!

See http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/atlantis.htm

and Christopher Dunn's web page on them, where he writes "
Dunn's last words on this in the url below:
Unsubstantiated reports such as these can harm serious researchers who accept the evidence that prove advanced civilizations existed in prehistory. They tend to muddy the water and give strength to the orthodox status quo."

The whole story by Dunn: http://atlantisrising.com/issue13/ar13mirage.html

Doug

Originally posted by Darkin
I do not know if it is anomalous, but recently it was announced that submerged structures (including pyramids) have found between the Yucatan Peninsula and Cuba at depths of around half-a-mile. The claims are that the area could be older than 6000 years.
There are rumors that the US Navy knew of these structures decades ago (around the same time I heard the rumor...Hmmm?..)
I do not believe that this a 'New' discovery (except in that this info has just been released... to the Public...)

Sometimes truth is ALWAYS stranger than fiction. (What spurred the bureaucratic fears of releasing this information to the Public so many years ago?

There are sonar readings that have been interpreted to be manmade structures. This hasn't been verified. The people involved haven't claimed that the structures were found before, and the US Navy involvement may be a Chinese whispers tale based on work the explorers had done on the US Navy Battleship sunk during the war with Cuba.

These sonar readings have been well publicised. National Geographic has made tentative offers of interest.
Doug