An alternative society

Discussion in 'Politics' started by android, Mar 9, 2005.

  1. android nothing human inside Registered Senior Member

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    If the present number of Earths population is preserved and is reduced only by the means of birth controll, then:
    - Birthgiving is licenced. To enhance quality of population , genetically or socially unfit homes will be denied offspring. So that several birth licences can be allowed to families of quality.
    - Energy production must be drastically reduced. Electricity is allowed only for the most necessary lighting and communications.
    - Food: Hunting is made more efficient. Human diet will include rats and invertebrate animals.
    Agriculture moves to small un-mechanized units. All human manure is used as fertilizer.
    - Traffic is mostly done with bicycles and rowing boats. Private cars are confiscated. Long-distance travel is done with sparse mass transport. Trees will be planted on most roads.
    - Foreign affairs: All mass immigration and most of import-export trade must stop. Cross-border travel is allowed only for small numbers of diplomats and correspondents.
    - Business will mostly end . Manufacture is allowed only for well argumented needs. All major manufacturing capacity is state owned. Products will be durable and last for generations.
    - Science and schooling: Education will concentrate on practical skills. All competition is rooted out. Technological research is reduced to extreme minimum. But every child will learn how to clean a fish in a way that only the big shiny bones are left over.

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  3. Entropic Registered Senior Member

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    k, i think a lot of what you said would be going backwards for society.

    "Birthgiving is licenced. To enhance quality of population , genetically or socially unfit homes will be denied offspring. So that several birth licences can be allowed to families of quality."

    You are taking away a natural process and reducing freedom, last time i checked freedom was desired, people would not accept this license. Saying that it can only be given to "families of quality" means you value some above the rest, by this im guessing money. If someone is rich it doesn't make them better, nor their children. Also if only rich people reproduce, there will still be poor people, as that is how society works.

    "Energy production must be drastically reduced. Electricity is allowed only for the most necessary lighting and communications."

    i can agree with that

    "Food: Hunting is made more efficient. Human diet will include rats and invertebrate animals.
    Agriculture moves to small un-mechanized units. All human manure is used as fertilizer."
    "But every child will learn how to clean a fish in a way that only the big shiny bones are left over."

    Some of us are vegetarian and don't want to eat vermin or learn how to clean fish, again, your forcing people to do things they don't want to. I do agree with the human manure as fertilizer though.

    "Traffic is mostly done with bicycles and rowing boats. Private cars are confiscated. Long-distance travel is done with sparse mass transport. Trees will be planted on most roads"

    I agree with that.

    "Foreign affairs: All mass immigration and most of import-export trade must stop. Cross-border travel is allowed only for small numbers of diplomats and correspondents."

    This will just increase the cultural gap between countries and will worsten relations. A better choice would be to have no borders, making the world a country. Borders do strange thing to a man's mind.
     
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  5. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    What if the people don't want to do any of things you suggest? Would you force them? And if so, how? And who'd do the enforcing?

    Is this another pipe-dream fantasy of Utopia without any basis in human nature or fact?

    Baron Max
     
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  7. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    It takes too much energy to use human manure as fertilizer.. it needs to be disenfected... which takes alot of work... And no way in hell would i live in such a dead end society... I would rather die... why? because I beleive is that man needs technological improvment to getr away from this soon to be dead planet... I agree with entropic though... the world should be one big country...
     
  8. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    You mean so we can destroy another planet out there somewhere?

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    Who would run things? The Taliban? The American congress or something like it? Would there be humans involved in the day-to-day operations? If so, then right there you've got a major problem. Will any group of humans ever agree on anything?

    Baron Max
     
  9. Entropic Registered Senior Member

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    stop being cynical and answer your own questions. I refuse to think for you or anyone else, if you want those services go to the religion forum.
     
  10. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    What I find incredibly sad is how some people seem to totally take this wonderful Earth fro granted. To jump on the technological bandwagon--pinning their hopes on what has already proven to be totally dterimental for so many lives, mainly because of the souless mindset developing and using it--and to seriously imagine creating such a toxic environment that one will need to vacate this planet, this HOME

    If you look into your heart of hearts, THIS is all you really know. this is the place that feeds, clothes you, gives you wonder. it IS you. you ARE Nature. yet yu want to clinical life on some spaceship huntin down some other planet god knows where, do you?

    So as i see it. you are better trusting NATURE than trusting white middle calss western man's promises of 'reseeding' ANOTHEr planet. cause what NEEDS looking at is this trip your on. the one that took over other peoples lands committting all forms of cruelty and genocide on them because YOUR stupib belief system said you had to procreate till you couldn't subsist on your land no more, and despise Nature

    examine YOUR myth for fks sake. if not, even saying yo DO become spacehopping, you'll be the meanest ignoreant aliens.....
     
  11. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    I originally had responded to each point in your post but by the time I got to the end I realised there is no point, these ideas are ridiculous. Why not just nuke the planet?

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  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I think NK pretty much runs like this??

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  14. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    who said i would bring anyone along on my super cool space ship... you can all stay here and rot i have things to discover beyond "mother earth" who has been hell bent on killing me since i was born, did I tell you a tree nearly fell on me when I was 4 years old?
     

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