View Full Version : Ammo Ahmendinejidad and the Deathly Zionist Conspiracy


GeoffP
10-20-07, 03:49 PM
Ahmandinejidad recenlty illustrated that laissez-faire association with reality for which he's famous during an interview with Iranian news, which he also kinda controls.

Interviewer: You were supposed to visit the site of the Twin Towers, but this aroused controversy and many objections in their media. What do you think about this?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: As you know, by spreading lies and by portraying me... For example, they show my picture next to a picture of Bin Laden, or next to tanks and cannons firing and killing people. This is psychological warfare.

Unlike, say, a creepy visit to Columbia University espousing friendship, while the government parades signs reading "Death to the United States" three days before the visit. I have it on good authority (a high-up source!) that Iran never engages in psychological warfare. And it doesn't have any gay people.

9/11 has led to many significant changes. It was used as a pretext to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq. It was the reason for the killing of hundreds of thousands of people. It is only natural for us to respond in an appropriate manner.

By, say, equipping Shi'a insurgents in Iraq and Lebanon?

I wanted to visit there last year, but there was no time for that.

And also, you were told to piss off.

So I decided to visit there this year to pay my respect to the casualties and convey my sympathy to the families. I also wanted to raise several questions and express my views. I wanted to say that in my opinion, this incident is the result of the mismanagement of the world, and the result of the inhuman management of the world. Why did such an incident take place? We need to get to the root causes.

Yeah, but then people start bandying about "islamophobia".

We don't want them to turn this incident, in 20 years' time, into another false idol like the Holocaust, which they would use as a pretext to kill peoples, and prevent anybody from opening this [Pandora's] box and examining what really happened in this incident.

And there's that Holocaust denial again.

They might turn 9/11 into something sacred, and whoever does not accept it would be considered an infidel, whereas whoever accepts it would have to accept all the ensuing crimes.

Well, thank goodness that Iran doesn't have a history of executing infidels for rejecting something considered sacred.

In any event, we must express our views. I believe that this way, we would have formed cordial relations with the American people, and cold have opened this issue up for discussion. Well, this is exactly what they want to prevent.

The "they" being?

The only "discussion" Ammy's interested in is the one where the US gets blamed for the attack on them. Either way it's good for Ammy, though: blame the US or blame the Saudis, and he still wins.

desi
10-22-07, 08:58 PM
The hijackers were Saudis. Who could be so stupid as to suggest the Saudis are at fault?

Exhumed
10-22-07, 09:10 PM
They were members of the Taliban that was based in Afghanistan, no?

iceaura
10-22-07, 10:00 PM
Geoff, do you have any equivalently clever counters to what AJ actually said?

His point that 9/11 is being turned into a "false idol", and used to justify actions that could not be justified with an accurate understanding of it, is well taken IMHO.

desi
10-24-07, 11:01 PM
They were members of the Taliban that was based in Afghanistan, no?

The Taliban is a religious terrorist organization based out of and funded by Saudi Arabi. If it was based in Afghanistan do you think the hijackers would have been from Saudi Arabia?

Frud11
10-24-07, 11:42 PM
Ahmed certainly doesn't have much ability to do anything more than upset Western leaders with what he has to say. He depends on the mullahs and his "popular support", other than that, he's a bit of a glove puppet.

S.A.M.
10-25-07, 05:13 AM
The Taliban is a religious terrorist organization based out of and funded by Saudi Arabi. If it was based in Afghanistan do you think the hijackers would have been from Saudi Arabia?

Remind me again why NATO has been killing Afghans for the last 5 years



His point that 9/11 is being turned into a "false idol", and used to justify actions that could not be justified with an accurate understanding of it, is well taken IMHO.

Its okay, give it a couple of years and no one will remember anything

hypewaders
10-25-07, 07:10 AM
There's been no evidence that the 9-11 hijackers, organizers, and financiers were Taliban. Osama bin Laden was never Taliban. The 9-11 attacks have never been seriously investigated, in terms of identifying the people responsible. We were diverted by U.S. leadership from expecting or demanding any serious investigation in Arabia, whence most funding and support most likely came.

Exhumed
10-25-07, 05:16 PM
The Taliban is a religious terrorist organization based out of and funded by Saudi Arabi. If it was based in Afghanistan do you think the hijackers would have been from Saudi Arabia?

Wiki: The Taliban (Pashto: طالبان ṭālibān) is a Sunni Muslim group[2] that ruled most of Afghanistan from 1995 until 2001

desi
10-25-07, 11:29 PM
S.A.M.;Remind me again why NATO has been killing Afghans for the last 5 years


We need an oil pipeline through Afghanistan and controlling the whole country was the easiest way to go. It also gave us a prestage area for future military exercises in the region.

desi
10-25-07, 11:31 PM
"The Taliban (Pashto: طالبان ṭālibān) is a Sunni Muslim group[2] that ruled most of Afghanistan from 1995 until 2001"

What does the Taliban have to do with the 911 hijackers Exhumed?

otheadp
10-26-07, 12:34 AM
There's been no evidence that the 9-11 hijackers, organizers, and financiers were Taliban. Osama bin Laden was never Taliban. The 9-11 attacks have never been seriously investigated, in terms of identifying the people responsible. We were diverted by U.S. leadership from expecting or demanding any serious investigation in Arabia, whence most funding and support most likely came.

eh... what about the official comission's report?

Buffalo Roam
10-26-07, 09:10 AM
"The Taliban (Pashto: طالبان ṭālibān) is a Sunni Muslim group[2] that ruled most of Afghanistan from 1995 until 2001"

What does the Taliban have to do with the 911 hijackers Exhumed?

The refusal to extradite Osama Bin Laden, and then offer him sanctuary, and that they had let him set up a base of operations.

hypewaders
10-26-07, 05:59 PM
otheadp: "what about the official comission's report?"

The Report (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/execsummary.pdf) did not equate the Taliban with al-Qaeda. Neither can more honest analyses conflate Arabian revolutionaries with the erstwhile US-supported Taliban struggle against the Soviet Union, nor can we soberly equate al-Qaeda with their former host, the Najibullah regime. This just another example of the sweeping oversimplifications that have obscured all serious public inquiry into exactly who perpetrated 9-11.

The Taliban may have been a reprehensible regime, but they certainly did not attack the USA on 9-11. What little satisfaction Americans feel about our post-9-11 reprisals often centers on our attacks on Afghanistan. The 2001 Afghan government was clearly not the primary source, enabler, or financier of the Attack on America.

The Taliban is/was a Pashtun movement with a provincial Afghani outlook, sharing no leadership and no international objectives with al-Qaeda after the Soviet withdrawal. The thickest roots of the Taliban are in Pakistan, while the core of al-Qaeda hailed from the Arabian peninsula. The goals of the Taliban primarily involved Afghanistan. The objectives of the more nebulous al-Qaeda involved international Wahhabi revolutionary aims, wherever they could be projected. Since the destruction of the Taliban government, there has been no merging of Taliban and al-Qaeda movements, because the two are not the same. Only ignorance or deception conflate the two.

hypewaders
10-26-07, 06:09 PM
desi:"What does the Taliban have to do with the 911 hijackers..."

Buffalo Roam: "The refusal to extradite Osama Bin Laden, and then offer him sanctuary, and that they had let him set up a base of operations."

There was a dialogue in progress (http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/11/03/extradite.htm) over the extradition of OBL to the custody of the OIC (http://www.oic-oci.org/) but very little diplomacy was evident in working it out. War took precedence.

Brian Foley
10-26-07, 08:31 PM
The refusal to extradite Osama Bin Laden, and then offer him sanctuary, and that they had let him set up a base of operations.
Excuse this poster he lives in a Yellow Submarive far far underwater ......
Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over (http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573975,00.html)
Sunday October 14, 2001

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.

New offer on Bin Laden (http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,,575593,00.html)
Minister makes secret trip to offer trial in third country

Rory McCarthy in Islamabad
Wednesday October 17, 2001
The Guardian

A senior Taliban minister has offered a last-minute deal to hand over Osama bin Laden during a secret visit to Islamabad, senior sources in Pakistan told the Guardian last night.

Frud11
10-26-07, 09:12 PM
Isn't the Taliban a Pakistani adventure? Weren't they instigated (in Pakistan) by the ISI? The idea was to annex Afghanistan, presumably, but 9/11 came along...
You know that Armitage told Mussharaf that his country would be "bombed back to the stone age", if co-operation wasn't forthcoming?