Does anybody else thinks that Pat Robertson statement seems a bid like a fatwa? And this in not some crazy midland religios freak american, he was actually tring to go for president in 1988.
Once he spoke about OIL, it pretty much feel into place. Kill Chavez put in some puppet that will give the oil to western interest. If I recall, the president previous to Chavez was pro-American. America, or should I say, those money grubbin' oil bandits, were very much against Chavez becoming president. I guess to them, Chavez putting the oil industry in government hands as opposed to private hands, made him an enemy to big business, henceforth, a terrorist dictator. Later for the fact that the proceeds have been helping his country in ways private industry would never have.
Don't any of you advocate free speech anymore? Or is that reserved ONLY for those who hate America and Americans? Baron Max
of coarse they do!! come on baron, you should know that by now *cough* (michale moore) if he can speak his mind, we might as well let the VICTIMS of michael jackson speak their mind.. o wait, nothing happened when they did
Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that, but it is a bit like a fatwa. The main difference is that when Pat Robertson says something like this, there aren't a million fanatics trying to carry out his bidding. When a fatwa is issued by an Islamic fanatic, the lucky recipient must either go into hidding (Salmon Rushdie) or die (that Van Gogh guy).
Sure, free speech is fine, but it's quite a contradiction for a religious leader who follows a religion about love, to call for such an act to be done on someone else. I call for a fatwa against Pat Robertson and all the loony evangelists (not the good ones)! *lets out crazy Muslim clucking sounds* - N
Here is the difference: The entire continent is looking at this guy like he has been skipping his medication, if not outright laughing at the nutcase.
Yeah but the american goverment didn't oppenly critzised him. Where I come from they can inprison you for at least 24 hours. Out of prevention. I do believe it's a felony to say youre going to kill the president of the united states, why shouldn't it be a felony to say it about a other president (Your not in wat with). This guy was a big politician at one time (he tried for presidentsie in 88). He should now what he's saying at all times, and therefore he should be punished, or at least be forced to make a public excuse.
Pat is a damned nutcase, hypocrite, theif, etc. etc. He is hardly a "man of God" and never has been. I can't stand the son of a bitch, and would never defend him. His moronic statement was NOT, however, a fatwa. Not everything you hear on Air America Radio is true. He did not call people into action and declare a religious war or the nation. He simply stated his (albeit screwed-up) opinion. Which, as I am SURE you are well aware, is protected under the First Amendment. The First Amendment is NOT a one way street! He (a private citizen with no official direct governemental power) said that he thinks we should assassinate him. It is his right to state his opinion. On a side note, as much of an assh0le as Pat is, he would have nothing without his millions of supporters. The people who are lifted on the backs of others are easy to blame, but that is simply addressing the symptom, not the problem. It is the people who are doing the lifting who should receive the brunt of the blame.
I do not believe that. Mobs are always directed by a number of people. That can be held responsible for there actions like Mr.Pat Robertson. I also disagree that Robertson is a private citizen. The moment he begon politics he became public property. The problem with America like you name it, is that the people are to afraid, it's been a while since the defcom alert was raised, Bush should learn that it's neither a toy nor a fire drill alarm.
Regardless if you agree that he is a private citizen or not... Regardless of whether or not you feel Pat or his supporters are more to blame... The simple point is that he stated an opinion, and: A.) Has no official capacity in government to follow through on that opinon and take any action. B.) Did not order, or even suggest, any of his followers to take any action at all. Therefore what he did was simply state an opinion, which, as I said, is protected under the First Amendment (as it should be).
This does not fall under the protection of free speech. It would be a crime if done in the United States and the statement was directed at the sitting president of the US.
It doesn't??? How so?? No, that ain't so. The Sedition Act was repealed a long time ago. And if you've read many of the posts here at sciforums, then you must know the violent hatred that's expressed against President Bush. It might not be nice, but it's not a crime. Baron Max
I dont know - but has a fatwa ever been issued against an america president, or for that matter any western president or any american member of goverment?
Really, get on national television and say, "President Bush needs to be killed! His government needs to be overthrown!" Then count how long it takes the secret service to come busting down your door.
Such messages are all over the internet all the time. Such words are expressed daily in bars and clubs all over the country. ....and the secret Service has lots more important things to do than chase down a bunch of crackpots and idiots. Where, oh, where do you get such silly ideas? ...from tv or movies? Baron Max
Indeed the CSA doesn't wreally care what some guy on a forum says so were pretty safe on this one. So I agree with baron Max, but Mr Robertson wasn't exactly at a bar or on crack (I hope not) when he made his remark. I was rather puseld about one raven message "Unless, of course, you think the First Amendment should be repealed. Do you?" I can only answer it like this if I went speeding and get caught by the police I should pay the fine. But if I went on vacantion to the US and went speeding my fine should be payd to the American Overment and not my own. (I believe you can get away with a amount of marihuana in holand that whould give you the death sentence in Maleise for example) Mr. Robertson may not have committed a crime in America but this does not neccesairly means that he can't be prosecuted by the Venuzuelane goverment. And so far I know the American constitution still stops at the american border. So he can't hide afther the bill of rights. (But he can cheer up there are stile 300 million Americans he can threaten to kill it's apparently his american right Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) To light travelling: There are multiplu moslim organisations that strife for a world united under the moslim flag trough a holy war (Jihad). So in a way yes, all non moslim leaders should feel targeted, but there hasn't been any serious attempt that I know of.
