America's downfall?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Islamsmylife, Nov 6, 2007.

  1. Islamsmylife Registered Senior Member

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    Prior to my posting this I contemplated what I will propose in this intended question. Not to be confusing, but Im seeking an answer that I dont know exactly how to ask. I know that this forum is filled with many qualified intellectuals that can readjust my attention to the realties before me if I propose a question in the right way. So this is basically whats been going through my mind. Even though I do dont follow the news/stocks/war/economic projections for America thoroughly I feel that America is on a downward spiral. Rising gas prices, continuation of war, natural disasters, weakening dollar over ambitious budget for Homeland security etc. I believe that America is so in debt and over ambitious that we've finally bitten off more than we can chew. I believe that America will soon lose its footing as the worlds sole super power. I have no concrete evidence to support my theory nor do I even have much of a basis to say what I'm saying but I know somebody out there can either support my theory or refute it. If this is the case what should be recommended for the American attempting to survive its projected downfall and actually benefit from or help prevent its downfall.
     
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  3. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    i hope not if american falls it's bringing evryone with it.
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    It will because all countries are linked together, when America sneezes the

    rest catch the flu! The biggest problem is that only the little guys get hurt

    the most, the rich never get hurt.

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  7. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    plus if america falls who is gona pick up the slack the E.U? but i wonder who would pick up the slack tho
     
  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The EU will be better off I'd think.
     
  9. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    hmm i'm not sure but it would be nice not to have america thinking it can police the world.
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    But then the EU will just get into the same predicament because there's

    always going to be problems happening. The EU will have to cope with more

    problems than there are today in the future so think about that.
     
  11. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Consider it refuted.
    Embrace rationality.

    Life on this planet is neither fair, just, nor adequately defended against harm by what you feel you believe.

    Life is a down-in-the-dirt competition for survival and you're a very real part of the food chain.

    There's what you believe could kill you and there's what really can.

    Why are you worrying about what you believe could kill you instead of doing what should be done to actually save your from what really will kill you?
     
  12. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    however the E.u is many countries and never go to war an di dout that they would get involved aswell...plus america goes to war for it's own benifit know one else.
     
  13. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    You mean the ungainly agglomeration that couldn't even manage to build an airplane on time ?

    Rotsa Ruck !

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  14. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    America's downfall will come from waging war for other than its own benefit.

    When America's self-interests coincide with the self-interests of its friends, "Hey, why not?"

    When it doesn't we watch our friends lay in the beds they've made for themselves and thank them for not begging us like little girls to save their bacon for them just one more time.

    After all, the "E.u." doesn't go to war, doesn't get involved, for its own benefit and no one else.

    Why can't America adopt the similar rationale?
     
  15. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Good question, I don't think any european country, other than the UK has been targeted or bombed by Al Qaeda, It's waging war for its own benefit though, just that the whole nation doesn't get to benefit.

    In response to the OP though, The USA's downfall lies in the middle east, ATM, while it still has allies there,(turkey and Saudi Arabia), When enough threats and bombing is done, they'll lose that sympathy.
     
  16. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately for Spain, Turkey and France, what you think doesn't correspond to what's actually happened.
     
  17. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    And what was common in All of those countries ? , all of them were at one time or the other involved in invading other countries, France and Algiers, Spain and Iraq, (spain did go to Iraq btw) So you can't say that these countries were truly innocent. Unlike countries such as Germany and Italy. I think that terrorism, corresponds to sending troops to invade a country....
     
  18. desi Valued Senior Member

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    America goes to war because that is what we are good at. China is for slave labor and America is for mercenary work. Someone wanted the Mideastern oil under corporate control which is why our soldiers are there. Following the logic of the Saudi 911 hijackers, to chasing a former CIA agent who happens to have close family ties to President Bush, to deposing Saddam to free Iraqis just proves how deep and smelly the crap we're being fed is. Wars have always been about power and money. This one is no different.

    As for the US going down, I think it will go down like the phoenix and come back as the North American Union. A few eggs will be broke in that omlette. Certainly some gun nuts will fight and die to low level law enforcement. Too many wealthy people seem to have that on their bucket list for it not to happen soon. I think the cover story will be the US can't get more money to borrow so interest rates will go up up and away for government and personal loans. At the same time the dollar will continue to fall in value. That one two punch will blow millions of people out of the water financially. When the Amero comes we may welcome it with open arms. Will anyone remember which people voted for the expensive stuff which bankrupted America? Do they recall how Rome went bust? Do they realize we can print our own money and nationalize everything and start with a clean slate?

    That and a dollar or so might get you a cup of coffee.:shrug:
     
  19. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The countries that make up the EU will have to decide to fight for their

    rights just as America has done. The countries of the EU have fought in

    wars before and some of them are involved in wars today. If the EU is

    threatened I'd think they would have to stand up for themselves just as

    America does now.
     
  20. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    So, if you ever invade any other country, it's okay for people to indiscriminantly butcher your civilians?

    You think Germany and Italy are "completely innocent?" Funny, I could have sworn that both of them have invaded other countries. For example, Italy participated in the invasion of Iraq. Both of them participated in Afghanistan.
     
  21. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    America has been hijacked by Religious Redneck Retards. It started thirty years ago when the "born-again" revival began spreading like cancer. Americans as a people have become less rational and downright hostile to science.

    Fundamentalist Abrahamic dogma invariably drags a country down. It's anathema to civilization because it reinforces our tribal instincts. Look what the Islamic fundamentalists are doing to the Middle East.

    America is doomed unless the pendulum swings back to secularism very quickly. I'm glad I'm too old to worry about what life will be like here in thirty years. If I were younger I'd emigrate.
     
  22. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Ahh, Fraggle, I see that my cynism has rubbed off on you and forced your ever-glowing optimism to retreat in horror. Good for you!

    Humans suck. And worse, humans lie about it!

    Baron Max
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    As long as the USD keeps falling so I can buy more high end stuff more cheaply in the USA I won't complain.
     

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