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New Orleans cops beat man, 64
09/10/2005 22:49**-*(SA)**



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New Orleans - Two New Orleans police officers repeatedly punched a 64-year-old man accused of public intoxication, and another city officer assaulted an Associated Press Television News producer as a cameraman taped the confrontations.

There will be a criminal investigation, and the three officers were to be suspended, arrested and charged with simple battery, captain Marlon Defillo said on Monday.

"We have great concern with what we saw this morning," Defillo said after he and about a dozen other high-ranking police department officials watched the APTN footage on Sunday.

"It's a troubling tape, no doubt about it. ... This department will take immediate action."

The assaults come as the department, long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption, struggles with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and the resignation last month of police superintendent Eddie Compass.

The APTN tape shows an officer hitting the man at least four times in the head on Saturday night as he stood outside a bar near Bourbon Street.

The suspect, Robert Davis, appeared to resist, twisting and flailing as he was dragged to the ground by four officers.

One of the four then kneed Davis and punched him twice. Davis was face-down on the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter.

Meanwhile, a fifth officer ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and the cameraman to stop recording.

When Matthews held up his credentials and explained he was working, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.

"I've been here for six weeks trying to keep ... alive. ... Go home!" shouted the officer, who later identified himself as SM Smith.

Police said Davis, 64, of New Orleans, was booked on public intoxication, resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public intimidation.

He was treated at a hospital and released into police custody.

"The incidents taped by our cameraman are extremely troubling," said Mike Silverman, AP's managing editor.

"We are heartened that the police department is taking them seriously and promising a thorough investigation."

Davis, who is black, was subdued at the intersection of Conti and Bourbon streets.

Three of the officers appeared to be white, and the other is light skinned.

The officer who hit Matthews is white.

Defillo said race was not an issue.

"Our police officers are working under some very trying times," Defillo said.

"So it's a difficult time, but it doesn't excuse what our jobs are supposed to be."

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I seen the pictures, of this attack on BBC world news today, one cop was punching the guy, in the head all the time, another one had his arm, and neck, another one was twisting his ankle, after it all finished, another cop went storming to the cameraman, and hurled abuse at him.

These cops, must be kkk members, i have never seen such job satisfaction, the guy was a punch bag, while they all give him a good going over.

A 64 year old man, regardless of skin colour is not, public enemy no.1, hell the germans SS troops, could not have done a better job on him.

I know there are cops out there, who are racist, but to have no respect for a senior citizen, that is way beyond racism.

"To protect and to serve"
more like " to beat the fuck, out of our senior citizens"

That's what might happen if one resists arrest or fights the police. It's always best to do what they say and don't fight or resist ...you can do that in court with a lawyer! If he'd just surrendered as is stated in the law, none of this would have happened.

Baron Max

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4325574.stm

The above link has a video of it, plus you can see one policeman on a horse, trying to block the tv camera taking pictures of it,

It has got to be the most disgraceful case of police brutality, i have ever seen, and what made it worse, was his age 64, he was no mike tyson, or george foreman, just a senior citizen drunk.

That's what might happen if one resists arrest or fights the police. It's always best to do what they say and don't fight or resist ...you can do that in court with a lawyer! If he'd just surrendered as is stated in the law, none of this would have happened.

Baron Max
I seen this today on tv, he was not resisting, and how much can a 64 year old man resist, do 3 cops have to beat him up, he was not holding a weapon,
baron, a 64 year old man, is pretty harmless sober, drunk you could push them over with a finger.

Of what i saw they were to busy, beating him up to give him a chance, to surrender, if the victim was a young man, and able to defend himself, i could swing both ways on this, but he was not.

I am pretty immune to tv news pics these days, but this one shocked me.

I seen this today on tv, he was not resisting, ...

You can't see it all on that video clip. Did you see that it took four big men to tackle him to the ground????????? ....and that's not resisting???

Baron Max

Baron,

If you were nearby and you see this drunk OAP in your street, would you dig cash out of your pocket and willingly pay for 4 big blokes to have a fight with him?
This should disgust the tax payer and the cops should be brought to justice.

peace

c20

c20, there wouldn't have been "4 big blokes" if the man had NOT resisted arrest ...if he'd gone peacefully with the first officer, nothing would have happened. The man resisted arrest, and that's why the others came in to assist ......and even on the video you can see that it took all four of them to bring him down! That's a BIG man resisting arrest.

Y'all are just succumbing to the sensationalist news media ....trying to sell advertising and newspapers. And it's working for them, 'cause y'all just keep buying it.

Baron Max

Y'all are just succumbing to the sensationalist news media ....trying to sell advertising and newspapers. And it's working for them, 'cause y'all just keep buying it.

Baron Max

you've said that in the last 5 posts of yours ive read.have you just adopted this as a mantra?how is it the "sensationalist news media"?people can see the video with their own eyes.the police department are taking action against the people involved.are they part of the sensationalist news media?

It depends on whether you believe 'arrest' was the correct response in the first place. Personally I dont think it was. For me personally it has nothing to do with media hype, I just witnesed the brutality in the video. What I saw was not a 'measured' response to the situation. It looks like pure thuggery.

peace

c20

how is it the "sensationalist news media"?people can see the video with their own eyes.the police department are taking action against the people involved.are they part of the sensationalist news media?

Because you can't see what transpired prior to the beginning of the video! The officers might have been trying for hours, peacefully, to do their job, but the man continued to resist, maybe yelling insults, etc.

See? You haven't seen it all, yet you've made your judgement based on only a small part of the scenario ....the sensationalist part! The news media won't or can't show the whole thing because then it might not be so sensational and wouldn't sell advertising. Can't have that, now, can they?

As for the department "taking action", I haven't seen anything that resembles a court of law or the presentation of evidence. All I've seen is the video and the unjustified outrage ...we've not been presented with the full case or any valid evidence. And without such, I'm siding with the police ....I know about police work.

Baron Max

What I saw was not a 'measured' response to the situation.

Okay .....explain, fully, what was the "situation"? How did it start? When did it start? What led up to what was shown on the video?

You, like most others, are making snap judgements without the full story or knowing any of the situation that occured.

Baron Max

And without such [video footage before beating], I'm siding with the police ....I know about police work.

Baron Max

Baron,

So how should the police respond when an unarmed drunk old person starts hollering the street? What would be the guidelines offered by police to citizens wanting to make a citizen's arrest for the disturbance?

Thanks

c20

Baron, So how should the police respond when an unarmed drunk old person starts hollering the street?

They should first look around the area carefully ...if there are news media people and cameras around, they should then walk quickly away leaving the old drunk alone to do whatever it is he wants to do.

In this day and time, no enforcement of the laws is worth what those officers will endure ....no crime is bad enough for them to be racked over the coals for doing their jobs. When the old man resisted the request to desist, the officers should have just walked away and let him do whatever he wanted.

But just remember, if they'd walked away, the media just might have filmed the old drunk and made a sensationalist acticle about the cops doing nothing to stop the old man! With the media, it's damned if you do, and damned if you don't!! And see, that's exactly waht the media wants ....sensationalism to sell their advertising and make money ...from just such people as you.

Baron Max

The age group involved here 64, there can be no justification, for the violent response, of those cops, if this guy was white, in my view there is no way, they would have done that.

And the way they tried to cover up the beating, they new they were in the wrong, i mean a cop on a horse, trying to block off the cameras view, its a good job this took place in the open, if it had happened in a non public place, i think these rednecks, would have lynched him too.

The age group involved here 64, there can be no justification, for the violent response, of those cops, ...

Well, if you've already made your judgement, based on such little evidence or facts, then there's little that anyone can do to change your mind (or why anyone would want to try).

A 64 year old man isn't harmless, ya' know? Did he have a gun? You didn't see it in the video, but did he have a gun? Or a knife? How can you be sure? And if you're not sure, how can you make you firm judgement? ....from just what you saw in the video? ...that's all? How would you like to be convicted with such a video clip?

Baron Max

But just remember, if they'd walked away, the media just might have filmed the old drunk and made a sensationalist acticle about the cops doing nothing to stop the old man!

"Our police officers are working under some very trying times," Defillo said.

Hell we all know that Defillo. That's why one more old black drunk guy being allowed to carry on in his own drunken way would not have been 'news' in New Orleans cos there are a hell of a lot more stories out there. Don't think I have no sympathy for the police, however that sympathy wanes when I hear crap like this. The officer's actions in this case undermine the integrity of all police officers who are up against it in New Orleans. There actions add to the problem. Now there has to be a big expensive investigation for which we will pay for. Like there isn't enough to pay for in New Orleans. A measured response was all that was called for.

peace

c20

American cops are angels compared to the Russian excuses for a human being dressed in uniforms. You shall not complain. Sure, there is not limit for perfection, but common, expectations should be reasonable. It's not paradise or communism yet.

Okay .....explain, fully, what was the "situation"? How did it start? When did it start? What led up to what was shown on the video?

You, like most others, are making snap judgements without the full story or knowing any of the situation that occured.

Baron Max

Fine. I take your point. And if it turns out the 64 year old black man was fitter than a race horse on steroids, packing a shooter and was genuinly a real threat to the public, I will happily apologise to you right here in this thread. I would say on balance that the apology will not be needed but I take your point nevertheless.

peace

c20

This is bullshit!
Anyone who resists, and it is clear this guy was resisting, should be beat down.
I'm so tired of this. A video surfaces on the news/internet, showing a Blackman being roughed up by police and everyone cries racism.
Too f***ing bad! If you resist, you should expect to get a few blows, and rightly so. What is wrong with people? If you are going to be arrested, go along quietly. If you think you are being wrongly arrested, call a lawyer. That's how the system works.
What the F*** else do you expect? You think if you resist the cops will give up and let you go? Get real people. This guy brought this upon himself.
As for the reporter? Who knows what he was saying/yelling at the cops durring the arrest. He should just stay out of the way and let the cops do their job.

Okay .....explain, fully, what was the "situation"? How did it start? When did it start? What led up to what was shown on the video?

You, like most others, are making snap judgements without the full story or knowing any of the situation that occured.

Baron Max

Although there's nothing more available at the moment about this particular incident, there IS more known about the situation with the police in New Orleans.

While this does appear (at least for the moment) to be a white-on-black thing, it's important to remember that the New Orleans police force is predominatly black, and always has been - including the Chief who just resigned (and the mayor, for that matter, who was his boss). It also has an astounding history of allegations of corruption and brutality that goes back for more than ten years. There are also some pretty serious allegations right now that the police force broke into a dealership during the crisis and stole almost 200 cars.

Don't get me wrong on this, police have a tremendous job to do! And I'm very glad that they are around!! I'm simply pointing out that this particular police force has a long and very poor record. I also fully agree that if the old drunk had gone peacefully, as he should, we wouldn't even be discussing this.

Because you can't see what transpired prior to the beginning of the video! The officers might have been trying for hours, peacefully, to do their job, but the man continued to resist, maybe yelling insults, etc.




have you heard of handcuffs?how hard would it be for four men to put one person in handcuffs?

have you heard of handcuffs?how hard would it be for four men to put one person in handcuffs?

It's one helluva lot harder than you think! Try doing with a friend of your's whose resisting your efforts ....then come back and tell me!

Baron Max

This is bullshit!
Anyone who resists, and it is clear this guy was resisting, should be beat down.
I'm so tired of this. A video surfaces on the news/internet, showing a Blackman being roughed up by police and everyone cries racism.
Too f***ing bad! If you resist, you should expect to get a few blows, and rightly so. What is wrong with people? If you are going to be arrested, go along quietly. If you think you are being wrongly arrested, call a lawyer. That's how the system works.
What the F*** else do you expect? You think if you resist the cops will give up and let you go? Get real people. This guy brought this upon himself.
As for the reporter? Who knows what he was saying/yelling at the cops durring the arrest. He should just stay out of the way and let the cops do their job.

Me, too!!! I'm gittin' damned sick of everyone, EVERYONE, jumping on the cops, jumping to conclusions, without know a fuckin' thing aboout what happened ....just so they can be part of the "in-fuckin'-crowd" of liberal assholes!!

Those of you who don't know what it's like to be a cop, should go to the police in your area and become a volunteer or get permission to ride with some of the officers .....it's a damned tough job! And, worse, they spend all of their time with the scum of society ...with people who would love to shoot them for no other reason than the uniforms they wear.

Baron Max

It's one helluva lot harder than you think! Try doing with a friend of your's whose resisting your efforts ....then come back and tell me!

Baron Max
1 teenager, would be enough to slap the cuffs, on a 64 year old man, drunk at that, he would hardly be steady on his feet sober, let alone drunk, people at that age do a bit of gardening, collect there pension, and struggle with arthritis, and other ailments, they are in no position to take on 3 cops, and looking at those cops they were young and fit.

The problem here is some good old boys from the KKK, employed as cops, decided to take there hostility out on some father time black man.

I also understood that the police have, a variety of other weapons at there disposle, other than the fist, they are not employed as boxers.

Here is what you do,
1 cop holds one arthritic arm, another cop holds the other arthritic arm, and the 3rd cop shouts him his rites, via his hearing aid.

Or 1 cop pushes him over with his little finger, into the loving arms of his partner.

Or they take away his zimmer frame, catching him off balance.

With all due respect here, i have never heard of 3 cops, having to violently restrain a old age pensioner before.

What it shows, is a complete lack of respect for the old, and police out of control.

There is a variety of safe, restraining methods from arm locks, to holding someone, other than giving pensioners, a right hand, followed by a left, then a uppercut, followed by another right.

Yes, Vincent, you're a know-it-all sorta' guy and we should all listen to whatever you say with respect and adoration.

Baron Max

Yes, Vincent, you're a know-it-all sorta' guy and we should all listen to whatever you say with respect and adoration.

Baron Max

Thanks for your praise baron, my neck is all going red too, does that mean i can be a baron too, now that i have won my spurs.
But i would prefer a knighthood, rather than be a baron,
how about Sir Vincent.

Vinnie is right, cuffing a 64 year old man shouldnt be a problem for two officers, and judging by the past history of cops in the southern states; it is not at all shocking that they beat a black man up instead of using traditional methods.

"New Orleans - Two New Orleans police officers repeatedly punched a 64-year-old man accused of public intoxication, and another city officer assaulted an Associated Press Television News producer as a cameraman taped the confrontations. "

If you think this is normal your a dumbass. key words are "Repeatedly" and "Assaulted"
Being drunk in public , under no conditions should result in repeated punches from a polic officer, especially on an elderly man.

Not to mention, a policeman assaulting a news reporter, is compleatly barbaric, and people complain about freedom of press else where. Look at your own mess.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1813997,00.html

New Orleans cops beat man, 64

This is going to be the only time I agree with Vince.
Fuck the Police! Fucking Pig cops! :mad:

This is going to be the only time I agree with Vince.
Fuck the Police! Fucking Pig cops! :mad:
Its sir vincent, not vince,
and for the record, this is going to be the only time, i agree with Sir Vincent too.

It's one helluva lot harder than you think! Try doing with a friend of your's whose resisting your efforts ....then come back and tell me!

Baron Max

ive wrestled my friends plenty of times.me and my friend had to restrain my 15 stone rugby player flat mate..just me and him,with only our bare hands.and we did it.are you telling me that 4 TRAINED men couldnt restrain an incapacitated 64 eyar old without fists?

There are pleanty of examples of cops beating the living shit out of white guys, only not too much of a fuss is made about it. The police are equal opportunity beaters. ;)

Get a little adrenaline in your system and you would be amazed by the stuff you will do. The fight or flight mechanism kicks in and, well, the police aren't allowed to run.

Yeah, Kenworth, ye're a toughie. But even in the video, you can see that those four officers were having a helluva time getting that big black man down ....even if he is 64-yrs old. He was fighting hard.

But, of course, ye're tougher than all four of those NO cops ...for sure.

Baron Max

I suppose that ANY time a black man is arrested, you people will criticize the police officers. You always try to make it about race. You act like he's somehow a "victim." Well here's some news for you - if you break the law, you pay the consequences. It's that simple.

[QUOTE=RubiksMaster]I suppose that ANY time a black man is arrested, you people will criticize the police officers. You always try to make it about race.[QUOTE]

I don't know man. I was shocked when I saw the video, and I know that I would've been even more shocked to see them beating an old caucasian man. But I agree. This shouldn't have anything to do with race. Beating a 64 year old guy repeatedly when they could've just handcuffed him and taken him away was a crappy thing to do no matter what race the guy is.

What was the charge anyway? Why punch him repeatedly in the face when you can just push him to the ground , hold his head down and handcuff him?

We must keep a balance between letting the police do their thing and stopping police abuse.

This is bullshit!
Anyone who resists, and it is clear this guy was resisting, should be beat down.
I'm so tired of this. A video surfaces on the news/internet, showing a Blackman being roughed up by police and everyone cries racism.
Too f***ing bad! If you resist, you should expect to get a few blows, and rightly so. What is wrong with people? If you are going to be arrested, go along quietly. If you think you are being wrongly arrested, call a lawyer. That's how the system works.
What the F*** else do you expect? You think if you resist the cops will give up and let you go? Get real people. This guy brought this upon himself.
As for the reporter? Who knows what he was saying/yelling at the cops durring the arrest. He should just stay out of the way and let the cops do their job.

I think your position is probably the position of the majority of law enforcement personel in the USA. How else can you discourage people from resisting arrest. Police need for the bad element to fear them. The public demands that the police maintain order on our streets and the police can not maintain order if people are not scared of them.

On the other hand the suburban public does not want to know how the police maintain order. None of us want a police state in which people with government connections are allowed to steal from the rest of us and are allowed to be abussive to us if it satisfies something in them emotionally. Allowing police to beat people is a step on the slippery slope towards becoming a police state.

Political dissent must be tollerated. Open exposure of police behavior must not be iterfered with. If the suburbanites are learning what the police do to poor screw up people then the police abuse is crossing the line or the price of camcorders has come down. In this case the media just happened to be in a place to see how police normally behave when they get upset on the job.

I don't know if the you all saw the part of footage of the police creaming at the media guy because the police considered media guy to be in the wrong for filming the beating and being critical of the police. The police yelled about how hard their life had been the last month. Unstated was "how dare you film this, have you no decency?"

What bugs me is the hypocrissy. I just hate hypocrissy. I do also believe that giving out beatings might be a necesary part of police work. But we live in a democracy and on paper the public must give their consent and provide guidelines for beatings or the beatings should not happen. Maybe the hypocrissy (or more accurately a semi-willfully chosen system of self imposed ignorance aided and encouraged by the State, and Media) is usefull because it allows the rules that say police can not and do not beat people to function like a speed limmit on the highway in which most drivers are at all times driving over the speed limmit but those driving more than 10 MPH over the limmit may get in trouble and those driving 40 MPH over the speed limmit will definitely get in trouble if anybody is watching. So the speed limmit is a bit low so that you can't argue when you get caught.

The police in New Orleans got caught. They threw a few more punches than they should have. Now they must pay their speeding ticket.

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I saw a beating worse than the recent New Orleans one. The beating I saw took place in Kenmore Square Boston at about 4 PM on a weekday in about 1985. A very big black man wearing a cook's or dish washer's uniform was lying down in the street gutter getting the crap beaten out of him by about twenty police with kicks and batons for what seem liked for ever. A crowd gathered and yelled at the police to stop. I saw the shocked faces of the inocent Boston University girls who were a large part of the crowd. (For some reason BU girls all seem to come from wealthy suburbs in New Jerey.) The crowd was 95% white and not poor. Kenmore Square is a major transit hub near B.U. and Fenway Park.

More police came screaming into the square sirens blazing driving the wrong way on the streets. It seems that increasingly angry crowd of now a hundred or so people was scaring the police. Soon we had a crowd of to hundred people and a 100 police and a traffic jam of stopped traffic. On presumably BU girl had a camera and was taking photos. One police man yelled, "no pictures". But she kept moving to get angles between the police standing arround and she kept getting pictures of the on going beating. The police took her camera and throw it on the ground, cuffed her and a few others and harshly pushed them into the back seats of police cars. A police man then picked up the camera and removed the film and brought the camera back to the car.

Nobody from the crowd ever threatened the police or physically interfered with the police. The big black beaten man and the BU camera girl and a few others were driven off by the police. Traffic resumed, show over. It was as if the event never happened. There was no page 30 paragraph in the newspaper about the incident.

In both the current NewOrleans film and what I saw in Kenmore Square I never saw what beating victms did in the beginning to set the police and make them crazy.

Ok.. We have a drunk 64 year old man and 4 overly large police officers with batons and guns. What an even match of strength..:rolleyes:

The drunken 64 year old man resisted arrest and 4 big beefy guys took it upon themselves and their badges to beat him to a pulp to control him. Fair enough.. :rolleyes:

So why is it then, when the 64 year old drunken man is down on the ground, handcuffed and totally under the control of the so called police officers, did said officers keep laying in the punches and the kicks? There was no need to do so. He was down. He was handcuffed. He was pacified and bleeding profusely from the head wounds he had received from the so called protectors of society. Why keep kicking him? He wasn't going anywhere. He was unable to even stand up after that beating. So they beat him for not standing up after beating him to the ground for not getting down on the ground?

Some people should not be police officers and that tape has shown that at least 4 people on the NOPD should never have been allowed to put on that uniform or badge, let alone carry a gun.

Im sure it was nothing but a CIA plot to further destroy the Black Community

I suppose that ANY time a black man is arrested, you people will criticize the police officers. You always try to make it about race. You act like he's somehow a "victim." Well here's some news for you - if you break the law, you pay the consequences. It's that simple.

I am no lover, of other races in the UK, or America, however what i hate more, is police who are supposed, to protect us abusing there position of authority.

Everbody has rights, regardless of race, or nationality, in our countries, and as human beings, we respect the elderly most, or children.

We give up our seat for the elderly, on public transport, or other chores for them. We do not gang up in packs of 3, and beat the fuck, out of them.


RubiksMaster
regardless of what you say, this is a racial issue, i think if look on the internet, you will not find a case, were a old white man, was beaten by police, in the states, in this way.

This was some form of payback, i believe it came to a point, in there anger, that they no longer saw his age, and only saw the colour of his skin.

I would expect to hear stories, of this happening in forties germany, old jews beaten by ss police, i thought i would never see the day, when it happens in America.


RubiksMaster
When i hear these cases, where young blacks, are concerned, i usuallly will side with the police, but this was a old black man, if your father was beaten, in such a way, and the police said he resisted, would you believe that crock of shit.

When this goes to court, and these 3 hillbilly cops, claim this 64 year old resisted, and it took the 3 of them to puch him senseless, to regain control of the situation, it is going to be laughed out of court.

You guys must be idiots if you think its okay to find your Grandpa in hospital one day, limbs broken, nose squashed in, barely able to say a word, all because he just drank a little too much one day and when four big cops told him to move it, said he could do it on his own he didn't need them telling him what to do.

Oh, maybe Gramps was carrying a knife, maybe he had a gun with him, maybe he was a black belt fifth dan and his hands were the killing machines eh? Guys, you know, cops are scared to death of your 64 year old grandpa, he's a bad dude, especially when he's drunk. Four sober cops, hell he could take them on, that's why they panicked and kept punching him, they were just so scared of him.....justifiable, no?

The police say gramps was drunk. Gramps says he has not had a drink in twenty years. Gramps says he was just asking the police a question about curfew when the police flipped out.

Look, how many ways were there to take down a drunk old man WITHOUT using your fists? Mace spray, Baton gun, Taser, dogs... yet the first thing that comes to mind for the police is to hit him onto the floor and leave him in a pool of his own blood. And why did the police try and hide it if it was legal? e.g threatening the journalist and the horse obstructing the view...

Yeah, Kenworth, ye're a toughie. But even in the video, you can see that those four officers were having a helluva time getting that big black man down ....even if he is 64-yrs old. He was fighting hard.

But, of course, ye're tougher than all four of those NO cops ...for sure.

Baron Max


that was my point,im not a toughie.once you have a hold of someones arm,they are your bitch.4 men with training in restraining people should have absolutely no trouble with 1 old guy,if they do have trouble they shouldnt be police officers.

...im not a toughie.once you have a hold of someones arm,they are your bitch.

You've never grabbed someone's arm, have you, Kenworth? ...and then they are your bitch??? ....LOL!

Baron Max

You've never grabbed someone's arm, have you, Kenworth? ...and then they are your bitch??? ....LOL!

Baron Max

if you have a hold of someones arm and use your weight as a counterwight many things are possible.penetration,enlightenment,hitting the 8th octave above middle c.

It is a bigger deal because the man is black and the cops are white.

Perhaps it is time that Americans were finally told the truth about the police, so they might avoid falling prey to the self-serving lies of the aforementioned, self-anointed guardians of "civil rights." The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that in 1998, fully 62 percent of the 367 suspects killed by police officers nationwide were white, and 35 percent were black. In fact, police killings of white suspects have outnumbered those of black suspects in every single year since 1978. Moreover, black officers are far likelier to shoot black suspects than are white officers. In 1998, for instance, the black-officer-kills-black-felon rate was 32 per 100,000 black officers – much higher than the white-officer-kills-black-felon rate of 14 per 100,000 white officers. While part of this disparity is due to the fact that black officers often tend to be assigned to black neighborhoods, clearly no case can be made from these numbers that white officers are in any way "trigger-happy" when confronting black suspects.

The intra-racial nature of most police shootings has existed for many years. Between 1976 and 1998, about 65 percent of homicides by police officers were against suspects of the same racial background. The rate at which white officers shoot black suspects has been declining steadily for two decades, while the rate at which they shoot white suspects has remained fairly constant over that same period. When a white officer kills a suspect today, that suspect is usually white (63 percent). When a black officer kills a suspect, that suspect is usually black (81 percent).

Overall, black officers are slightly likelier than white officers to kill a suspect in the line of duty. Indeed whites comprise 87 percent of all police nationwide, but account for only about 80 percent of homicides against criminal suspects, regardless of race. Meanwhile blacks, who constitute 11 percent of American police officers, are responsible for about 17 percent of homicides against criminal suspects.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3487

This is bullshit!
Anyone who resists, and it is clear this guy was resisting, should be beat down.
I'm so tired of this. A video surfaces on the news/internet, showing a Blackman being roughed up by police and everyone cries racism.
Too f***ing bad! If you resist, you should expect to get a few blows, and rightly so. What is wrong with people? If you are going to be arrested, go along quietly. If you think you are being wrongly arrested, call a lawyer. That's how the system works.
What the F*** else do you expect? You think if you resist the cops will give up and let you go? Get real people. This guy brought this upon himself.
As for the reporter? Who knows what he was saying/yelling at the cops durring the arrest. He should just stay out of the way and let the cops do their job.

You stupid motherFucker!!!! :mad: [and that goes for anyone else who think the pigs were somehow justified in this evil action!!!!] Not only wasn't the man drunk [hadn't had a drink in 25 years] He was not resisting!!! At no point on the tape does it show him resisting!!!

I generally have some respect for police officers. These animals are not police officers. They are thugs!!! They need to be lined up and shot like the fucking animals they are. Fuck all cops who act like this. A bullet to the brain would be justice for anyone of them who acts like this!!!

Just pretend it was a bunch of black guys beating up a white guy, then it not a big deal at all.

Me, too!!! I'm gittin' damned sick of everyone, EVERYONE, jumping on the cops, jumping to conclusions, without know a fuckin' thing aboout what happened ....just so they can be part of the "in-fuckin'-crowd" of liberal assholes!!

Baron Max


Okay, so the man was asking a police officer for the time of the curfew. While talking to the officer, another pig walked up and interrupted the conversation. The man tells the piggy that was very unprofessional and walks away. While walking, the second piggy walks up on the mans back and punches him!!! Okay, a**hole? Is that enough warrant for the piggies to attack a 64 year old, non drinking man, you conservative piece of sh*t?

Weird thing is - the man doesn't feel it was racial. Just a couple of bad apples in the ranks!!!

LIBERAL AND PHUCKING PROUD OF IT!!!
[I WANNA BE WHATEVER THE OPPOSITE OF IDIOTS LIKE BARON CLAIM TO BE YOU F**KIN COMMIE BASTARD!!!]

Okay, so the man was asking a police officer for the time of the curfew. While talking to the officer, another pig walked up and interrupted the conversation. The man tells the piggy that was very unprofessional and walks away. While walking, the second piggy walks up on the mans back and punches him!!! Okay, a**hole? Is that enough warrant for the piggies to attack a 64 year old, non drinking man,
Weird thing is - the man doesn't feel it was racial. Just a couple of bad apples in the ranks!!!

Proof of this statement?

Just pretend it was a bunch of black guys beating up a white guy, then it not a big deal at all.

I don't give a rat’s ass if this was White/Black, Green/Yellow, Male/Female!!! YOU AS A POLICE OFFICER HAVE BEEN TRAINNED TO ARREST PEOPLE WITHOUT BEATING UP A 64 YEAR OLD SOBER SENIOR CITIZEN!!! IF NOT, GO INTO ANOTHER LINE OF WORK!!! PERIOD...

And in regards to those silly ass statistics - WHITE police officers are 79% more likely to shoot an unarmed black man than an armed white man!!!

Proof of this statement?

PROOF? BECAUSE I SAID SO!!! HOW'S THAT FOR PROOF!?!?!

TRY THIS LINK...(Video: Davis denies drinking -- 5:22)) (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/11/taped.beatings/)

Scroll down to where is says "Davis Denies Drinking..."

It is a bigger deal because the man is black and the cops are white.
Black people have oppressed far too much by the Govvies already. The pig cops need to be shot for thier racism and blatant arogance.

PROOF? BECAUSE I SAID SO!!! HOW'S THAT FOR PROOF!?!?!

TRY THIS LINK...(Video: Davis denies drinking -- 5:22)) (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/11/taped.beatings/)

Scroll down to where is says "Davis Denies Drinking..."I thought you had some proof of what he actually said, instead of what the 64 year old black man says happened.

I do agree though that the beating seems to be excessive.

Hey do you have any proof of this statement?

WHITE police officers are 79% more likely to shoot an unarmed black man than an armed white man!!!

Black people have oppressed far too much by the Govvies already. The pig cops need to be shot for thier racism and blatant arogance.
I agree, I would like to see all cops be black men:

Moreover, black officers are far likelier to shoot black suspects than are white officers. In 1998, for instance, the black-officer-kills-black-felon rate was 32 per 100,000 black officers – much higher than the white-officer-kills-black-felon rate of 14 per 100,000 white officers.

They seem to be doing a better job.

I thought you had some proof of what he actually said, instead of what the 64 year old black man says happened.


Dude, what proof do you have of what the piggies say happened, occured in the manner in which they say? None! Your taking the word of thugs which is clearly seen in the tape.

How's this for statistics:

The Bennett Rule
Abort Every White Baby!
By JUSTIN FELUX (http://www.counterpunch.org/felux10012005.html)

Bill Bennett, a prominent right-wing blowhard, has recently come under intense fire for remarks made on his radio show, in which he stated, "I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could ... abort every black baby in this country." He quickly backed away from the proposition, saying "That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down." It's unfortunate that Bennett chose to be so politically correct, because I think he may be onto something here. He's just wrong about the target. If we really wanna get tough on crime, it's the white babies who should start getting the coat hanger treatment.

Consider the fact that whites commit three times as many violent crimes as blacks every year, just in raw numbers. This is just for ordinary "street crimes" such as assault. The numbers become skewed out of this world when you consider "white-collar" crimes (typically, the collar isn't the only thing that's white).

For instance, job-related accidents and illnesses claimed the lives of 70,000 Americans in 1992, a significant portion of which can be chalked up to white employers neglecting to comply with occupational health and safety laws. According to studies, up to 64,000 die every year due to pollution and other environmental hazards produced by industry. Another 21,700 die due to consumer product deaths, costing the nation $200 billion a year. Another $200 billion is lost annually due to white-collar embezzlement. These two statistics alone add up to over 26 times the amount of all the robberies and petty thefts committed every year combined!

We should also not forget the ravages of the white-owned health care system and insurance industry. Around 18,000 adults are killed every year as a result of a lack of medical coverage. Over 25 thousand die as a result of unnecessary prescriptions and surgeries performed by mostly white doctors. All in all, corporate criminals take about ten times as many lives as street criminals. And I haven't even mentioned the white men who control the apparatus of state, which through war, sanctions, and other means kills hundreds of thousands, if not millions more. Over 100,000 civilians have died in Iraq alone, for example.

I don't know about you, but every time I see a white man in a suit I find a place to hide. Once I feel safe, I call the Department of Homeland Security to report his suspicious activity. I simply don't feel safe knowing that all these savage, white thugs are out walking the streets. After all, from Bob Chambliss to Timothy McVeigh to Eric Rudolph, by far most of the terrorist attacks in America have been committed by whites.

Which brings me to my next point: even if a white guy isn't wearing a suit, you still shouldn't assume that he isn't dangerous. One can find a plethora of deadly and pathological behaviors uniquely prevalent among whites who look just as ordinary as you and me. Most notable among them are spree killing, serial murder, and cannibalism. About 90% of all serial killers are white men. Some other white pastimes include animal torture, vampirism, Satan worship, witchcraft, self-mutilation, eating disorders, and child sexual molestation. White men engage in child sexual abuse at twice the rate of black men. By aborting all the white babies, we will be protecting a great many children from the horror of enduring abuse at the hands of white male sex perverts (pardon the redundancy), in addition to preventing the creation of new white molesters in the future.

Alas, even if we allowed white fetuses to continue living, and they manage to avoid the pitfalls of vampirism, corporate employment, and serial murder, the odds are still pretty good that they will turn out to be hopeless drunks. Whites are 74% more likely than blacks to binge drink regularly. In fact, there are more binge drinking whites than there are blacks in the entire population of the country! Naturally, whites are twice as likely as blacks to drive drunk, resulting in over ten thousand deaths every year. The same trend can be seen when considering drug use in general, contrary to popular belief. Whites make up 74% of illegal drug users, whereas only 14% are black. Whites make up a majority of drug dealers as well.

Given all of these facts, can there be any doubt that aborting every white baby would not only reduce the crime rate, but would also result in a much safer, cleaner, and happier existence for all Americans? I can already hear some of you sissy liberals whining about "human rights" or some other nonsense. In reality, you are soft on crime and lack the rugged individualism necessary to get things done. At the very least, we should start forcibly sterilizing white males, much in the same way we did to Latinas and black women up until the 1970s.

I think the most interesting debate will be over the question of what to do with mixed race babies. Should we apply the "one drop" rule, whereby one drop of white blood marks the fetus for termination? I doubt we'll need to take it to that extreme. If the baby is say, 1/8 white, then its more destructive tendencies should be sufficiently diluted. Nevertheless, police and homeland security should still apply increased scrutiny to individuals whose skin looks suspiciously pale. I'm sure Bill Bennett wouldn't mind taking a little harassment from the cops if it results in a safer America for everyone.

Justin Felux is a writer and activist based in San Antonio, Texas. He can be contacted at justins@alacrityisp.net.

What Justin whoever wrote is clearly just made up.

His false facts don't take into account that there are seven more times whites in the U.S then blacks, consider that and then blacks commit a over welming amount of crime, even with his "facts".

And the statement you wrote:

Originally Posted by dkb218
"WHITE police officers are 79% more likely to shoot an unarmed black man than an armed white man!!!"

was not mentioned.

Here are the facts, not a opinion:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

J.B, since you seem to base our actions and opinions on statistics, it makes a difference that there are 7 times more whites than blacks, that means that in any given day, you are more likely to be the victim of a white criminal than a black one. That makes whites many times more dangerous than blacks.

Those cops should be sent to jail, where they will recieve all the justice they deserve.

J.B, since you seem to base our actions and opinions on statistics, it makes a difference that there are 7 times more whites than blacks, that means that in any given day, you are more likely to be the victim of a white criminal than a black one. That makes whites many times more dangerous than blacks.
Yes there are 7 times more whites, but still blacks commit more crime then whites anyways.

Not true, more crime is committed in the US by whites than blacks.

http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/images/ArrestPie.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/onemansmind/images/HatePie.jpg

Blacks don't commit more crimes, they just get imprisoned more.

Not true, more crime is committed in the US by whites than blacks.

Yeah, sure ...but there's a whole helluva lot more of 'em!! Check J.B.'s posts for the percentages for each group, then you'll see that blacks are pretty damned violent compared to whites/non-blacks!!

Baron Max

So, if you go by statistics, you are much more likely to be the victim of a crime committed by a white man than a black man.

So, if you go by statistics, you are much more likely to be the victim of a crime committed by a white man than a black man.

Well, of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! There's MORE of 'em, for god's sake.

What kind of low-end logic are you using, anyway???? ....LOL!!

Baron Max

"That's what might happen if one resists arrest or fights the police. It's always best to do what they say and don't fight or resist ...you can do that in court with a lawyer! If he'd just surrendered as is stated in the law, none of this would have happened." - Baron Max

Are not you a good little Tory. FYI - The Enabling Act, I mean the Patriot Act gives the executive branch the right to hold you indefinitely without trial if they deem your crime terrorism (it is their decision) or seditious (once again, their choice).

Personally, I think it is our duty to fight tyranny.

- KitNyx

I mean the Patriot Act gives the executive branch the right to hold you indefinitely without trial if they deem your crime terrorism (it is their decision) or seditious (once again, their choice).

Indefinitely? No, I don't think that's true, is it? I think that they have to make legal accusations with sufficent proof to hold them. I'm not sure, as yo can tell, but....?

Personally, I think it is our duty to fight tyranny.

I agree! ...and just as soon as I figure out what that is and how to determine it, I'm gonna' start fightin' it.

Baron Max

"The Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State (Reichstag Fire Decree) and subsequent Enabling Act that empowered Adolf Hitler to seize control of Germany are often compared to the USA PATRIOT Act.[28] The similarities are that both were passed after an act of terrorism, both were passed quickly, both limited civil liberties with the expressed purpose of protecting the people, and both were used in excess of their expressed purpose. The English translation of Article 1 of the DRPPPS states that the decree intends "...to restrict the rights to personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of speech, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of letters, mail, telegraphs and telephones, order searches and confiscations and restrict property, even if this is not otherwise provided for by present law." The USA Patriot Act is not as explicit about its intentions, often wording the act in terms of what civil liberties and safeguards people have left. " - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act

Example 1 - "FBI agents used a USA PATRIOT Act "sneak and peek" search to secretly examine the home of Brandon Mayfield, who was wrongfully jailed for two weeks on suspicion of involvement in the Madrid train bombings. Agents seized three hard drives and 10 DNA samples preserved on cotton swabs and took 335 photos of personal items. Mayfield has filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government, contending that his rights were violated by his arrest and by the investigation against him. He also contends the Patriot Act is unconstitutional." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa443.pdf
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21203.pdf

Related to the discussion on torture, the Executive Branch initially included in the Patriot Act, right to drop ethical practices mandated by law:
"A section, found in the Senate bill but ultimately dropped, would have changed the
provision of federal law which requires Justice Department prosecutors to adhere to the
ethical standards of the legal profession where they conduct their activities (the McDade-Murtha Amendment), 28 U.S.C. 530B." - http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21203.pdf

What is the McDade-Murtha Amendment? "The McDade-Murtha legislation, which had first been introduced as H.R. 3396 on March 5, was designed to ensure that the rules of ethics and standards of conduct applied to all other attorneys, also be applied to the Department of Justice. It not only establishes those standards, it also defines punishable conduct and penalties, and creates an independent review board to monitor compliance. Although the measure still gives the Attorney General the first right to investigate allegations of DOJ misconduct, it also guarantees a citizen the right to seek an independent review conducted by a board outside the jurisdiction of the DOJ itself.

From the beginning, the bill drew howls of protest from the permanent prosecutorial bureaucracy inside the DOJ, who, for years, have operated with impunity, without penalty or oversight, as an out-of-control "political hit-squad" against elected officials, civil rights leaders, and political activists deemed threatening to the financial establishment." - http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1998/mcdade-murtha_2532.html

You know what? Google it yourself.

- KitNyx

Ok.. We have a drunk 64 year old man and 4 overly large police officers with batons and guns. What an even match of strength..:rolleyes:
This isn't supposed to be some contest of muscle and whit. Its not supposed to be an even match.

Its the police's job to use whatever amount of force is necessary to put the guy in cuffs and in the back of the squad car. If he resists, you push and keep pushing harder until he goes down. As long as the perpetrator is still fighting, no amount of force is too much. Only when the job is done or he is placidly cooperating do you ease off.

I don't care if his original crime was public drunkedness. Resisting arrest is a terrible offense all unto itself.

Why?

This isn't supposed to be some contest of muscle and whit. Its not supposed to be an even match.

Its the police's job to use whatever amount of force is necessary to put the guy in cuffs and in the back of the squad car. If he resists, you push and keep pushing harder until he goes down. As long as the perpetrator is still fighting, no amount of force is too much. Only when the job is done or he is placidly cooperating do you ease off.



This idea does not work, when dealing with a old age pensioner, common sense, and respect for the elderly, should tell them to take it easy, with him.

The elderly, are like children in terms of being able to resist, or fight, when faced with 3 strapping young men.

Would you accept these 3 cops, punching a 10 year old boy in the same manner, because a person of this age group has the same fighting abilities of a 64 year old man.

In life as human beings, we respect the elderly & children, we are encouraged to give up our, seats to them on public transport.
The elderly and young need our protection, what they dont need, is 3 gorillas in cop uniforms, giving them a good kicking.

These 3 cops, are straight from the jungle, all they needed to do, was piss on him, to mark there terroity, to finish the job off.

What they did, and I saw the video, was not necessary or respectable if it was done to a 19 year old who was over 200 pounds of solid muscle. They knew that what they were doing was wrong. They tried to conceal it. If the photographer hadn't been from a major news network they would have taken the tape too.

This isn't supposed to be some contest of muscle and whit. Its not supposed to be an even match.

Its the police's job to use whatever amount of force is necessary to put the guy in cuffs and in the back of the squad car. If he resists, you push and keep pushing harder until he goes down. As long as the perpetrator is still fighting, no amount of force is too much. Only when the job is done or he is placidly cooperating do you ease off.

I don't care if his original crime was public drunkedness. Resisting arrest is a terrible offense all unto itself.
welllll Heil friggin Hitler

clockword i can tell you already salivating now that the new world order's here....lets hope theydont come for you hey?....wonder how you'd feel like, 3 big fat pigs beating the shit outta ya?

Yeah, sure ...but there's a whole helluva lot more of 'em!! Check J.B.'s posts for the percentages for each group, then you'll see that blacks are pretty damned violent compared to whites/non-blacks!!

Baron Max

Oh fuck off you racist pig, i cant understand why people like you havent been taken somewhere, and dumped on the very edge of something very high!!God damit i hate racism, and i hate YOU for your part in it.

Oh *uck off you racist pig, i cant understand why people like you havent been taken somewhere, and dumped on the very edge of something very high!!God damit i hate racism, and i hate YOU for your part in it.

But a cork in it smith, your very launguage suggests, you are nothing but a racist too, and the private message you sent me only confirms that, if you hate racism so, stop looking in the mirror, and stick to going to BNP rallies,
this thread is all about people like you, if you were in a police uniform too, i have no doubt, you could top this sickening event ten fold.

But a cork in it smith, your very launguage suggests, you are nothing but a racist too, and the private message you sent me only confirms that, if you hate racism so, stop looking in the mirror, and stick to going to BNP rallies,
this thread is all about people like you, if you were in a police uniform too, i have no doubt, you could top this sickening event ten fold.

no he didn't say '"uck off' you racist pig he said fuck off you racist pig. i see swear words offend you more an your racist friends you defend you racist pig

no he didn't say '"uck off' you racist pig he said fuck off you racist pig. i see swear words offend you more an your racist friends you defend you racist pig
Yes swear words offend me, for the simple reason, have you ever noticed every dimwit at school, or at work, are all prolific swearers,are people who achieve nothing in life, but to cause misery to others, they are all people, who suffer from tourettes syndrome.

They seem incapable of responding in a intelligent manner, so they resort to swear words, to get attention, kids swear alot, why? because there brains have not matured, and they think its big too swear, but most people know its lowclass.

If MR john smith is incapable of rebutting, baron max without swearing, there is only one winner the baron.

I think it is obvious the police over-reacted to the situation no matter how many people try to use the badge as an excuse.

Chances are the man who was beaten is telling the truth when he states he has not had a drink in 20+ years. People who quit drinking can often tell you exactly when and where their last drink taken was. When people abstain from alcohol for this long of a period of time, there usually was a very good reason why they quit and a sense of pride in self for having held to that commitment. A person who still drinks usually makes a claim of I hadnt had a drink that day.

I would also suggest that police have been know to use "he was drunk and disorderly" as an excuse to overstep their authority. The war on drunks has given them this excuse to justify cases of brutality in nearly every state. In my own state, you can be carted off to detox under the guise of being too drunk to know better and the state does not and will not even offer you a BAC, nor is the officer required to give you an alcohol test. Not even a simple field sobriety test. It is completely based on what an officer says. There are several cases which have wound their way thru the courts where people who havent had a drink for years found themselves in such a place in my state.

N.O. is famous for its drinking. Its an easy and often used excuse for the police to use to justify their actions or even cover up for a crime they have committed. But it seems this time they picked the wrong gentleman to inflict street justice upon. After all, according to the victim here, the simple crime he had committed was confronting the policeman for being rude. How dare he disrespect the man with the gun! Sounds alot like the excuses used by the street punks to justify their random acts of violence that we see flash across our tv screens all too often on the evening news.

Clockwood

i was arested by the cops a couple of years ago for resisting arest, now i am not huge but i was cuffed one hand and then locked my other across my body, after a while (and some taunting about how weak the cop must have been if he couldnt force little me into cuffs) he just placed me in the van uncuffed. Why the hell couldnt they have used less force on a 60 year old if they felt no necesity to use it on a young 20 year old??? corse those were vic cops (im lucky they didnt shoot me:p) not yanky ones but the principle is the same

Yes swear words offend me, for the simple reason, have you ever noticed every dimwit at school, or at work, are all prolific swearers,are people who achieve nothing in life, but to cause misery to others, they are all people, who suffer from tourettes syndrome.

me:::no i haven't noticed. that is a completely absurd generalization. i swear, i have friends tat swear, many people i like swear. comedians who are funny swaer, and usually tell te truth. the pople like yourself who DONT swear, i have found to be hypocrites and closet racists.
here'sa little story. i was friends wid tiswoman........he would NOT swear, thoug didn't mind you swearning in front of her. which i did (her attitude mad me worse)....she's say 'piggin' and 'sugar'...bla bla. one night me her, and some others were having a discussion. it got to about Jewish people....wellll it all came out of her. she started saying they were 'swarming' about...nazi-shpeak. that they were this tat and te other. all negatives. THAt racst shit she had no problem with. but saying fuck shit etc she did. what a fukin hypocrite!

They seem incapable of responding in a intelligent manner, so they resort to swear words, to get attention, kids swear alot, why? because there brains have not matured, and they think its big too swear, but most people know its lowclass.

me:::ooooo i seeeeee 'low class' hy. you dick. have you never heard people from the 'higer classes'...tey swear like fukin troopers. I intuit all tis bolloks about you being a Sir is...bolloks. otherwise you'd know

If MR john smith is incapable of rebutting, baron max without swearing, there is only one winner the baron.
no. ting is dde. you are more offended by this word 'fuck'...tan you are by the vile filthy mouthed racism of jb bmax, et al. that is whatyou shold be angry at and swear at. not someone who isnatrually offended by racism

if you saw a person abusing your child and you told them to fuck off, would that make you a child abuser? ........would it fuck!

Why was that guy resisting arrest - or whatever he was doing/did to make the cops pissed off? Isn't anyone interested in that aspect of it? (Or do y'all just think that the cops wandered around looking for someone to beat on? ..surely you don't think that, right?)

What excuse could there be for him to have resisted the cops requests and/or orders? And to me, y'all seem to be advocating exactly that action when confronted by the police. Surely y'all know that polite cooperation is the best (perhaps only?) way of dealing with such incidents. Anything else is just an invitation for trouble. If there is, in fact, some issue that you want resolved, surely it should be done in a court of law, NOT out on the streets like some scumbag criminal. Is that the message that y'all want to send to the citizens ...that resisting the cops is a good thing?

Asguard:
"....and some taunting about how weak the cop must have been if he couldnt force little me into cuffs) he just placed me in the van uncuffed."

He just "placed" you in the van? How did he "place" you in the van if you didn't want to be "placed"? You've already shown that you were powerful enough to resist the cuffing, why couldn't/didn't you resist being "placed" in the van?

Baron Max

What excuse could there be for him to have resisted the cops requests and/or orders? And to me, y'all seem to be advocating exactly that action when confronted by the police. Surely y'all know that polite cooperation is the best (perhaps only?) way of dealing with such incidents. Anything else is just an invitation for trouble. If there is, in fact, some issue that you want resolved, surely it should be done in a court of law, NOT out on the streets like some scumbag criminal. Is that the message that y'all want to send to the citizens ...that resisting the cops is a good thing?


of course its better to cooperate, that much is obvious.the question is whether you think a beating is a reasonable response for uncooperative behaviour.and also,when drunk a lot of things that are bad ideas seem like good ideas.

no. ting is dde. you are more offended by this word 'fuck'...tan you are by the vile filthy mouthed racism of jb bmax, et al. that is whatyou shold be angry at and swear at. not someone who isnatrually offended by racism

if you saw a person abusing your child and you told them to fuck off, would that make you a child abuser? ........would it fuck!
Funny duendy, i have watched thousands of tv debates, and nobody has to say *uck off to get there point across, why is that, is it because they have a brain and use it, or is it because 90 % of the population dont want to listen to a bunch of rednecks swearing on the tv.

Let me make it more simpler for you, you walk into a pub, one airhead is saying *uck this, and *uck that every 3 seconds, now where do you think the fight is going to kick off in the pub, aroung the swearing airhead, either somebody is going to tell him to shut his dirty mouth, or the airhead is going to start a fight himself.

The jails are full of swearing airheads, why is that?
we all swear, but it does not make up 90% of our conversations.

I myself have had to shut up loonies swearing non stop, on a bus.
I am offended by racism, especially in this case, of this 64 year old black man,.

Duendy if you think swearing is such a hoot, and acceptible behaviour, go outside now, and tell the 1st male you see, to *uck off, then call me from your hospital bed.

Swearing at strangers, and in social situations, is the best way to start a fight.

So duendy you claim to be anti racism, so if a american cop walks up to a black man, and says you *ucking *astard, is that acceptible behaviour, to you duendy, because swearing is a hoot, and its not racist, is it.
THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!
LOL!

Funny duendy, i have watched thousands of tv debates, and nobody has to say *uck off to get there point across, why is that, is it because they have a brain and use it, or is it because 90 % of the population dont want to listen to a bunch of rednecks swearing on the tv.

me::errr it is because they aren't fucking allowed to on te TV silly

Let me make it more simpler for you, you walk into a pub, one airhead is saying *uck this, and *uck that every 3 seconds, now where do you think the fight is going to kick off in the pub, aroung the swearing airhead, either somebody is going to tell him to shut his dirty mouth, or the airhead is going to start a fight himself.

me::dont know ehere you are from, but from where i am from it is common to swear. though i admit, TOO much is a bitmuch. i like swear words well placed. they can give good thrust to whats being said. they also can let off steam

The jails are full of swearing airheads, why is that?


me::i'd fukin swear if i was banged up in prison, but ohhh not you Sir vincent...not you. it'd be *uck this and *uck that!

we all swear, but it does not make up 90% of our conversations.
me::ahhh atlast you admit it. actually the poster you told off for swearing probably doesn't swear all the time neither. but i thought his timing and use at that time was very appropriate.

I myself have had to shut up loonies swearing non stop, on a bus.

me::you wouldn't last long if you tried that here.

I am offended by racism, especially in this case, of this 64 year old black man,.

me:::good. but i have to say that stuff you have said in other posts doesn't seem to back up that

Duendy if you think swearing is such a hoot, and acceptible behaviour, go outside now, and tell the 1st male you see, to *uck off, then call me from your hospital bed.

me::: ok

Swearing at strangers, and in social situations, is the best way to start a fight.
me::true. but thers a way to swear in diferent ways tan confrontaton. they are only anglo saxon words. makes me larf how wound up pople get over words, yet real heavy other shit they dont seem to mind!

So duendy you claim to be anti racism, so if a american cop walks up to a black man, and says you *ucking *astard, is that acceptible behaviour, to you duendy, because swearing is a hoot, and its not racist, is it.
THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!
LOL!

i try too. of course it wouldn't be. but if that old dude could get away wit caling te fukers who beat him up muthafukin racist scum i wouldna batter an eyelid

and sirvincent....just do it ..huh, just type 'FUCK@ ...it wont kill you. you wont suddenly be struck by the hand god...gwaaaaan

But a cork in it smith, your very launguage suggests, you are nothing but a racist too,

Why, because i cant tolerate people like you or 'Baron' spouting dog shit because you feel insecure about yourself?Why shouldnt i hold strong beliefs about racism, i hate it.

and the private message you sent me only confirms that,
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The team is in place, and ready to go, please donate generously, and i guarantee you a Homeland Takeaway you will never forget.

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Oh yes, now i see, i thought you were stupid because of this (above), i apologise, you arent retarded.....at all!!!!!

( i refer to the thread ' Mercenaries to take out bin laden££££££££££$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'), you really are simple arent you?


and stick to going to BNP rallies,

Well considering the fact that both my great grandmother and my great aunt were killed in a concentration camp (Auschwitz) i think that would be slightly fucking retarded, dont you?

if you were in a police uniform too, i have no doubt, you could top this sickening event ten fold.
You were abused as a child werent you??

You were abused as a child werent you??

And if he was, you just stooped below the level of decency you wish to uphold. Two wrongs dont make a right.

peace

c20

i try too. of course it wouldn't be. but if that old dude could get away wit caling te fukers who beat him up muthafukin racist scum i wouldna batter an eyelid

and sirvincent....just do it ..huh, just type 'FUCK@ ...it wont kill you. you wont suddenly be struck by the hand god...gwaaaaan
I love that fact that i have come across someone who thinks EXACTLY as i do, way to go duendy :D :m:

And if he was, you just stooped below the level of decency you wish to uphold. Two wrongs dont make a right.

peace

c20

Well im EVER SO SORRY but he must have a reasonable excuse i.e. he waswas abused as a child, or otherwise he has NO excuse to hold such idiotic views, i am sorry for the insult, however it doesnt escape the fact that vincent is retarded, and holds himself above eveyone...Im not being an asshole when i say this, but how do you mean Two wrongs dont make a right.
?

Well im EVER SO SORRY but he must have a reasonable excuse i.e. he waswas abused as a child, or otherwise he has NO excuse to hold such idiotic views, i am sorry for the insult, however it doesnt escape the fact that vincent is retarded, and holds himself above eveyone...Im not being an asshole when i say this, but how do you mean
?

I completely sympathise with your frustrations. I detest racism. I just dont think you should rise to it in the way you do. Much better to persuade Vincent of the error's in his thinking through constructive dialog than making cynical excuses for the error in his thinking. If you want to make a difference, you will have to do it constructively. You have a hell of a lot of passion and that is nice to see. I just think your last point undermined that passion. You are also saying that a victim of child abuse is more likely to be a racist which again clouds the issue.

Attacking in a deconstructive way is wrong. Racism is wrong. putting the two together isnt going to make it 'right'.

peace

c20

I just dont think you should rise to it in the way you do.

You are definatly a wiser man than me, and you are of course correct.

Much better to persuade Vincent of the error's in his thinking through constructive dialog than making cynical excuses for the error in his thinking. If you want to make a difference, you will have to do it constructively.

I know your right, its just when im faced with someone like that, with views like that, i find it really hard to come to terms with, maybe thats because im young and see things in black and white-right and wrong, foolish of me really, but i will try in future. Thanks for the understanding and correction ;)

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Well john what can i say, it cetainly takes a warped brain, to send anyone a message like that, do you stalk people too.
John is it possible you can use your intelligence too, and attack me with a well typed rebut, or is your brain restricted to name calling, and swear words, the very thing that racists, are all about.


You say your
"great grandmother and my great aunt were killed in a concentration camp (Auschwitz)"

so does that mean, you can not be a racist, you have earned your immunity to it.
if you are jewish, then why are you showing the union jack.,
being jewish are you aware that the current war with islam, revolves around palestine, and israel, even sept 11, was because of the jew/arab conflict, according to bin laden,
is it not time your jewish brothers, stopped pissing around in the middle east, give palestine there state, and do the world a favour, and try to make peace with the arabs.

I have worked in israel, and i have been to egypt, on the same trip, i found the arabs, more friendlier, than the jews, alot more.

When i returned to israel, from egypt,
As i recall, the jewish immigration, opened up 5 packets of salted nuts, that i had, then i lost my temper and shouted, what are you looking for a bomb, and then i told how paronoid jewish people are. 5 months of working in that hell hole, i got screwed pay wise, more than once, and left israel thinking, how much nicer the arabs were, and judging by you john, i can certainly see why.

Well racism or not, if cops in general keep this kinda shit up for much longer people will turn on their own government.

Next stop: Civil war.

im not jewish actually, my ancestors were.Why cant jewish peoples carry the union jack anyway, i live in britain, and im proud of Britain, shouldnt i be?Dont be stupid, of course it doesnt mean "im immune" to it, all i ment was that it was going to be very unlikely that i would be joining a 'BNP rallie'. In regards to the private message, i found it insane that you were trying to weedle out cheques to fund your ' goverment operation', im still not sure of your motives in conection to the Mercenaries to take out bin laden££££££££££$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ thread, obviously to wind people up, you succeded, you pissed me off. As to the rest of your (above) post, im not jewish, so your points dont really hold their own, do they.

As for jews, many jews were perfectly content with joining the BUF, because the BUF was not anti-semite or anti-race, it was only because of Hitler who adopted facism started doing things to jews that they left BUF assuming British facism would go the same way.

Though clearly it would not have, you look at those policies now and they clearly are very much different from NAZI politics in germany and also different from mussolini's.

In the same way that policies are very much different in the BNP, if anything they are only anti-muslim, but muslim is not a race, it is a religion.

The jews however are clearly a race, so you cannot automatically assume that because BNP are anti-muslim they are anti-semite too.

Maybe in religous principle YES, but in race NO.
There are alot of members on this forum who are clearly anti-christain, sometimes to an extreme, but does this mean,may i ask, that all these anti-christians would want all christians thrown in gas chambers to die?

The answer could be yes but it depends WHO you are asking LOL
thats the great thing about diversity, you know that if everyone could be a dictator each one would be different, let us never put ANYONE in a position of total control.

Spoken like a wise man my friend, like a wise man:)

im not jewish actually, my ancestors were.Why cant jewish peoples carry the union jack anyway, i live in britain, and im proud of Britain, shouldnt i be?Dont be stupid, of course it doesnt mean "im immune" to it, all i ment was that it was going to be very unlikely that i would be joining a 'BNP rallie'. In regards to the private message, i found it insane that you were trying to weedle out cheques to fund your ' goverment operation', im still not sure of your motives in conection to the Mercenaries to take out bin laden££££££££££$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ thread, obviously to wind people up, you succeded, you pissed me off. As to the rest of your (above) post, im not jewish, so your points dont really hold their own, do they.
Why would a thread on Mercenaries to take out bin laden out, wind you up?
is bin laden your hero, he is not mine.
The meaning of the thread was this, the great and generous, american public donated 4 million dollars, to some homeland security con, so i thought why cant i have some of there money too, 4 million is a lot of cash.

I am not a muslim lover, so if i got all the cash, i am sure i could do a better job than the US forces, are doing to catch him, hell bambi, could do a better job than them, but i guess most of the cash would go in my back pocket.

And i am not racist, considering i started this thread, i dont know how you assume, i am a racist, i dont like immigrants in ther uk, but that is because i want to protect jobs, and the nation health service, and many other freebies, for uk people, we have earned them, but immigrants from corrupt 3rd world countries have not, if they are not happy with there living conditions in there own country, overthrow there government, like the americans did to us, taxpayers in the UK dont want to pick up the tab for them, and by UK government polls, most uk citizens, think like this.

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Well john what can i say, it cetainly takes a warped brain, to send anyone a message like that, do you stalk people too.

me::i findit fuking outrageous that you have paraded a pm of John to tis thread. do you know what 'pm' means? it means PRIVATE is whatit means. hat you've dont offends me much much more tan someone typing fuck cunt tit shit dick shit fart etc. you have betrayed a confidence. dont matte if tepost was against you or whatever. it was private and should be repscted a such. so yu are really out of order doing that. and i hope oter people here know what yer like and dont trust you to send you one. know i sure wont

John is it possible you can use your intelligence too, and attack me with a well typed rebut, or is your brain restricted to name calling, and swear words, the very thing that racists, are all about.

me::;nooooo, it aint just friggin racists who swear. what world do you live in?


You say your
"great grandmother and my great aunt were killed in a concentration camp (Auschwitz)"

me::yes he did. respect his sharing that.

so does that mean, you can not be a racist, you have earned your immunity to it.
if you are jewish, then why are you showing the union jack.,
being jewish are you aware that the current war with islam, revolves around palestine, and israel, even sept 11, was because of the jew/arab conflict, according to bin laden,
is it not time your jewish brothers, stopped pissing around in the middle east, give palestine there state, and do the world a favour, and try to make peace with the arabs.

me:::oh dear lord...how naive ae ya? try learnin bout the Illuminati before you start throwing stones

I have worked in israel, and i have been to egypt, on the same trip, i found the arabs, more friendlier, than the jews, alot more.

me:how many did you meet? all of em??

When i returned to israel, from egypt,
As i recall, the jewish immigration, opened up 5 packets of salted nuts, that i had, then i lost my temper and shouted, what are you looking for a bomb, and then i told how paronoid jewish people are. 5 months of working in that hell hole, i got screwed pay wise, more than once, and left israel thinking, how much nicer the arabs were, and judging by you john, i can certainly see why.

so YOU are racist right? you have met a coupla Of Israeliesand now judge ALL Jewish people because you feel they weren't nice to you......?

Why would a thread on Mercenaries to take out bin laden out, wind you up?
is bin laden your hero, he is not mine.
The meaning of the thread was this, the great and generous, american public donated 4 million dollars, to some homeland security con, so i thought why cant i have some of there money too, 4 million is a lot of cash.

I am not a muslim lover, so if i got all the cash, i am sure i could do a better job than the US forces, are doing to catch him, hell bambi, could do a better job than them, but i guess most of the cash would go in my back pocket.

And i am not racist, considering i started this thread, i dont know how you assume, i am a racist, i dont like immigrants in ther uk, but that is because i want to protect jobs, and the nation health service, and many other freebies, for uk people, we have earned them, but immigrants from corrupt 3rd world countries have not, if they are not happy with there living conditions in there own country, overthrow there government, like the americans did to us, taxpayers in the UK dont want to pick up the tab for them, and by UK government polls, most uk citizens, think like this.

Vincent - Can you list any positive things immigration does for the UK? Objectivity will only serve to lend weight to your other points if they are indeed as valid as you believe.

Thanks

c20

so YOU are racist right? you have met a coupla Of Israeliesand now judge ALL Jewish people because you feel they weren't nice to you......?
I did not meet, a couple of jews, i met hundreds, and worked, with hundreds, although i made friends, with many foreigners in israel, i never made friends with a jewish person, which is odd, considering, i went to israel thinking the arabs, were the bad guys, and the jews, were the good guys, i came back to the UK thinking otherwise, i found the arabs more friendlier, as did many UK nationals i was working with.

I judge all jewish people, on the hundreds i met in israel, i can honestly say there is more warmth from a rattler snake, than the jewish people, sharon is a excellent example of the jewish people, arrogant, and hostile, and he thinks he knows it all.

I have run many threads, on muslims mainly because of there militants, but if you ask me, who would i sit and drink tea with, a muslim, or a jew, it would be a muslim, a jew has never asked me to share a meal, or drink tea with them, however muslim bedoiuns, working in israel, have often offered me tea, and food, that is the difference, between the two people, one is paronoid, and only likes there own kind (jews), and the arabs will at least, talk with you, and eat with you.

Vincent - Can you list any positive things immigration does for the UK? Objectivity will only serve to lend weight to your other points if they are indeed as valid as you believe.

Thanks

c20
Oriental immigration, that is the only positive thing, immigration does for the UK, i have never seen any of them in the dole office, claiming welfare benefits, they work damn hard, and buddism is a very peaceful religon, to bring to the UK, and the chinese if the discovery channel is to believed, have invented, everthing from paper, too the football, so bringing more orientals, can only improve uk society, as the way they bring up there kids, showing respect for elders, is something many in the UK, could learn from.

vincent...to be frank with you i dont believe you. you simply cannot know hundreds of people. if you do yo can only know a few intimately. to just cast such rash racist judgemtnover all Jewish people like tis is absurd and immature

i have met many Jewish people. some good some bad. just like all pople.....just do us a favour. while you are here, open your ears, eyes etc and listen to te in-hpuse racists here. listen how te target ALL of their hatred an disdain and prejudice at an entire people. here it is Africans. but you also get pople doing it with Muslims very much now. it is racist and potentially very evil. you think it and tink it and it becomes part of your mindset and actually distorts your sensual perception

Oriental immigration, that is the only positive thing, immigration does for the UK, i have never seen any of them in the dole office, claiming welfare benefits, they work damn hard, and buddism is a very peaceful religon, to bring to the UK

Are you happy then for immigration to take place irrespective of race if they add value to the British economy overall?

Hot Fact No 1 : In 2002/03 Chinese men had the highest male working-age economic inactivity rate in Great Britain, at 35 per cent, twice the rate for White British men. The vast majority of inactive Chinese men were students.

Hot Fact No 2 : In 2002/03 the unemployment rates for Indian and Chinese men, at 7 and 6 per cent respectively, were similar to those for White British or White Irish men (5 per cent for each group).

Fact Source (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=462)

peace

c20

of course its better to cooperate, that much is obvious.the question is whether you think a beating is a reasonable response for uncooperative behaviour.

Whatever it takes! As you can see in the video, that old man wouldn't go down, wouldn't let them take him, wouldn't let them cuff him, AND he was fighting them. Had I been one of 'em, I'd have shot the mutherfucker!!!

and also,when drunk a lot of things that are bad ideas seem like good ideas.

So that excuses the old man's resisting arrest? And do you feel the same way when a drunk drives his car into another car and kills someone? You think the cops should be lenient because he was drunk?

There was ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for that man to have resisted ANYTHING that the officer or officers asked or demanded of him. When the citizens of a nation can take it upon themselves to obey the laws or not, then we have lots more problems than one stupid old black man being beaten up!

Baron Max

humphh i am decinding, this idiot above, bmax cannot be real. pleeease tell me e aint real. do any others get tis feeling or is it just me......he seems to be some kind of provocatuer. saying stuff to stir up tings. and he is full of contradictions.....like a slimy thing

with someone like that. someone who gets of on saying the things he does.....what IS thatttttt?,,,uuuggghphy pass me the puke bin.

oh piss off wid ya silly statistics yer blind fool!

Oriental immigration, that is the only positive thing, immigration does for the UK, i have never seen any of them in the dole office, claiming welfare benefits, they work damn hard, and buddism is a very peaceful religon, to bring to the UK, and the chinese if the discovery channel is to believed, have invented, everthing from paper, too the football, so bringing more orientals, can only improve uk society, as the way they bring up there kids, showing respect for elders, is something many in the UK, could learn from.

Yes, that's true, too true, when our jobs get offshored to china, i'm certain they'll do a better job than us at 1/10th the wages.

In the future this country will be third world, immigration will end then.

Whatever it takes! As you can see in the video, that old man wouldn't go down, wouldn't let them take him, wouldn't let them cuff him, AND he was fighting them. Had I been one of 'em, I'd have shot the mutherfucker!!!



So that excuses the old man's resisting arrest? And do you feel the same way when a drunk drives his car into another car and kills someone? You think the cops should be lenient because he was drunk?

There was ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for that man to have resisted ANYTHING that the officer or officers asked or demanded of him. When the citizens of a nation can take it upon themselves to obey the laws or not, then we have lots more problems than one stupid old black man being beaten up!

Baron Max

Baron you do seem to be a man, who believes in the state at all cost, can a man in uniform, be it army, or police, do no harm in your eyes, i too am a right winger, but i can jump off the fence, to see common sense on this issue.

These 3 cops, should have never been given a cops hat, they should have been given, a white sheet, with 3 holes burned in it, too put over there heads.

A sixty four year old man, deserves better, than being used as a punchbag, for these klan cops, i can only hope, they will end up in a new orleans jail, and some young black men, can show them what boxing is about.

The thought occurs that if these cops were black and the 64 year old was white it would not have been even reported, we wouldn't even know of it.
Because it shit stirs, i guess.

The further thought occurs that this must go on alot and they just don't get caught out, so whether they also beat up white people would need to be looked at before you assume it is racist.

J.B, since you seem to base our actions and opinions on statistics, it makes a difference that there are 7 times more whites than blacks, that means that in any given day, you are more likely to be the victim of a white criminal than a black one. That makes whites many times more dangerous than blacks.No still blacks are more dangerous,
Here let a black man tell you:

How does one artfully say that out of a small percentage of America's population — 13 percent — blacks account for 37.2 percent of all those arrested for violent crimes, 54.4 percent of all robbery arrestees, and are the known offenders in 51.3 percent of all murders? The murder rate in the city of New Orleans stands at over 7.5 times the national average, and authorities convict only one in four arrested for homicide.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder1.asp

As all can see blacks with a very low population still commit the majority of violent crimes.

The thought occurs that if these cops were black and the 64 year old was white it would not have been even reported, we wouldn't even know of it.
Because it shit stirs, i guess.

You are correct,

Here is a story that just happened today, that you won't here about:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-taserfolo1205oct12,0,4854545.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-orange

Baron you do seem to be a man, who believes in the state at all cost, can a man in uniform, be it army, or police, do no harm in your eyes, i too am a right winger, but i can jump off the fence, to see common sense on this issue.

These 3 cops, should have never been given a cops hat, they should have been given, a white sheet, with 3 holes burned in it, too put over there heads.

A sixty four year old man, deserves better, than being used as a punchbag, for these klan cops, i can only hope, they will end up in a new orleans jail, and some young black men, can show them what boxing is about.
vincent28uk....have you NOTICED somting??

no? then let me point it out. you rave on and on and on to John because he said 'fuck off' to racistbaron max....yet. when that disgusting person says how he would--give the chance--shoot dead a 65 year old man who he calls a MOTHERFUCKER youdont say ANYthing to condemn him.

please explain to us, why?

You are correct,

Here is a story that just happened today, that you won't here about:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-taserfolo1205oct12,0,4854545.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-orange
This is bad police work, how the hell does this guy have time to pull out the prongs, from the taser gun, and get 2 shots off at the deputy, what was the deputy doing during this time, filing his finger nails,
He should have had his gun, aimed and pointed at the perp, until the situation was under control, he took his eye off the ball, maybe he thought the taser had done its job, and he looked at a pretty girl going by.
Some of these guys, are on drugs, and tasers are useless with them, this is very bad police work, and its lucky passer byes were not shot too.

What we have here is a rookie cop, out of his depth, putting himself, and his partner, and members of the public at risk, because he can not follow procedure.

vincent28uk....have you NOTICED somting??

no? then let me point it out. you rave on and on and on to John because he said 'fuck off' to racistbaron max....yet. when that disgusting person says how he would--give the chance--shoot dead a 65 year old man who he calls a MOTHERFUCKER youdont say ANYthing to condemn him.

please explain to us, why?
Maybe its because, he was not insulting me or another member, with his swear word, this is a debating forum, not a personal insults forum.
John sent me a private message of insults, and swear words.

Baron is not out of his depth, in debating john smith is.

Maybe its because, he was not insulting me or another member, with his swear word, this is a debating forum, not a personal insults forum.
John sent me a private message of insults, and swear words.

Baron is not out of his depth, in debating john smith is.

not only was he 'insulting' anothr 'member', he was threatening another human that he prsonally would 'SHOOT the Motherfuker'!!! apparently that has no effect on you. that is just small talk

by chris you fukers find ewach othe dont you? you are the 'closet' racist who wont admit it to yourself, but is bleedin obvious to efveryone else, and they are the blatant racists. both asbad as each other

This is bad police work, how the hell does this guy have time to pull out the prongs, from the taser gun, and get 2 shots off at the deputy, what was the deputy doing during this time, filing his finger nails,
He should have had his gun, aimed and pointed at the perp, until the situation was under control, he took his eye off the ball, maybe he thought the taser had done its job, and he looked at a pretty girl going by.
Some of these guys, are on drugs, and tasers are useless with them, this is very bad police work, and its lucky passer byes were not shot too.

What we have here is a rookie cop, out of his depth, putting himself, and his partner, and members of the public at risk, because he can not follow procedure.Here is another cop killed by a black guy today:
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3956974&nav=23ii

I suppose that ANY time a black man is arrested, you people will criticize the police officers. You always try to make it about race. You act like he's somehow a "victim." Well here's some news for you - if you break the law, you pay the consequences. It's that simple.

The consequence for being drunk in public should'nt be ; you uncounciouse in a pool of your own blood, especially if your old. It's barbaric on behalf of the police, by any standards.

It dos'nt matter whether the person is black or white, but it is ironic that it happened to a black person in a southern state.

Whatever it takes! As you can see in the video, that old man wouldn't go down, wouldn't let them take him, wouldn't let them cuff him, AND he was fighting them. Had I been one of 'em, I'd have shot the mutherfucker!!!

boo hoo.,was the o;ld man being nasty to them?and all theyve got is four times his number and a wealth of training for situations just like that.my heart goes out to them.by saying you would have shot him you have kinda eliminated yourself from any serious debate on this subject.if you shot everyone who had been drunk and disorderly in britain the entire economy would collapse.



So that excuses the old man's resisting arrest? And do you feel the same way when a drunk drives his car into another car and kills someone? You think the cops should be lenient because he was drunk?

they should treat each situation on its "merit".ie if someone is high on crack waving around a gun you shoot them.if a 64 year old man is drunk and belligerent..........
what the fuck does this have to do with drunk driving?

I wonder how much longer it will be before, in America, the criminals will have more rights than the citizens? Are we going to continue to coddle the criminals until they simply turn up their noses at any and all authority? How long before all a criminal has to do is tell the cops, "No, I ain't goin'!", and the cops back off and run away? ...for fear of being dragged into court for infringement of the criminals' rights?

We better do something or it's gonna' get away from us ....if it hasn't already!

Baron Max

I wonder how much longer it will be before, in America, the criminals will have more rights than the citizens? Are we going to continue to coddle the criminals until they simply turn up their noses at any and all authority? How long before all a criminal has to do is tell the cops, "No, I ain't goin'!", and the cops back off and run away? ...for fear of being dragged into court for infringement of the criminals' rights?

So 2 White cops beating up an old black lady is ok! And what rights did the cops have to beat her up?!

So, Mika, you resort to extremism to "prove" your point? ....LOL!

Baron Max

It has got to be the most disgraceful case of police brutality, i have ever seen, and what made it worse, was his age 64, he was no mike tyson, or george foreman, just a senior citizen drunk.

How would you feel about the whole ordeal if you knew that black man was also (dramatic pause) a Muslim? Perhaps they should then have trampled him under the hooves of the police horse?

How would you feel about the whole ordeal if you knew that black man was also (dramatic pause) a Muslim? Perhaps they should then have trampled him under the hooves of the police horse?

No, that is reserved for jehovas witness.

I actually wear a pentagram when they knock, and as soon as they speak i actually tell them i am satan.

They look at me weird.

No, that is reserved for jehovas witness.

I actually wear a pentagram when they knock, and as soon as they speak i actually tell them i am satan.

They look at me weird.

Around here it's mostly the mormons that do the whole dress-up-in-white-shirts-and-black-slacks-and-tie-and-go-door-to-door-peddling-religion type thing and it's so hard to be mean to them while they are doing that, because in general they ten