http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7wroSYRXJo&search=tyre%20war

Six Red Cross volunteers were wounded in the Sunday attack, and the injured family they were ferrying to safety suffered fresh agonies. A middle-age man lost his leg from the knee down. His mother was partially paralyzed. A little boy's head was hammered by shrapnel.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-ambo25jul25,0,6138834.story?coll=la-home-headlines

What is your opinion? Was this attack deliberate?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ambulancehit.jpg

Of course it is deliberate. The Israelis routinely kill witnesses to their atrocities. They don't have to obey international law along with the USA. Unless your ambulance has a star of david emblazoned on it you are fair game. Non-Jews are worth absolutely nothing to the zionists.

Ambulances move fast, and they knew full well bombs were raining down around them. I admire their bravery, but I think it was only a matter of time before they got hit.

Ambulances move fast, and they knew full well bombs were raining down around them. I admire their bravery, but I think it was only a matter of time before they got hit.

Did you watch the video?

These ambulances were stationary and under spotlights.

They were transferring patients between cars.

They were attacked directly from above.

Both ambulances were hit one by one.

Israelis see themselves as chosen people, everyone else is just a barbarian,
so they feel free to slaughter anyone that isn't them. It's tribalism gone over the edge.

The 9-11 version for Middel East

It is very hard trying to understand here what exactly Israel is trying to accomplish with their methods. Obviously they are definitely not going to accomplish nothing good in return.

So much for their high tech weaponry, precision warfare and super commandoes.
There numerous ambulances been blown out, the Lebanese international airport was imaginary a hiding place for Hezbollah. A perfect target, if they miss Hezbollah, shit happens, at least they managed to make it more miserable for people to get out.

Uhmmm … The UN post? Well, history also probes some kind of magnetism or weird attraction by the IDF towards blue helmets.

Israel Forces Attack UN Relief Convoy in Gaza
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 9:10 am
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0407/S00151.htm

The top United Nations relief official for Palestinian refugees was forced to take cover today when part of a UN aid convoy that had delivered food to 20,000 Gaza Strip residents besieged by Israel came under fire, apparently from an Israeli armoured personnel carrier (APC).

Now… it is perfectly normal to see mistakes, irregularities and even shameful stuff in most western nations. No body is perfect…. But really, Israel is the personalized IMPERFECTION!


For a little list of serious violations by Israel check this link. Hezbollah are still in nappies by comparison.

http://www.nowarforisrael.com/articles/resolutions.html
REAL Hypocrasy: Israel Violates US Law With Attack on Lebanon

by Thalif Deen
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/deen.php?articleid=9325
Israel is in violation of U.S. arms-control laws for deploying U.S.-made fighter planes, combat helicopters, and missiles to kill civilians and destroy Lebanon's infrastructure in the ongoing six-day devastation of that militarily weak country.

Did you watch the video?

These ambulances were stationary and under spotlights.

They were transferring patients between cars.

They were attacked directly from above.

Both ambulances were hit one by one.

It's my understanding that all vehicles are targets unless they have special permission. If ambulances are exempt, you could expect Hezbollah to use them.

Red Cross vehicles are exempt with international treaties since and even before World War 1. There is a reason they have a red cross painted on their roofs.
Israel is a war criminal.

I would support universal jurisdiction for the International Criminal Court, but I don't think the leaders of Israel would be the only ones on the docket.

Well-known examples of such laws include the prohibition on attacking doctors or ambulances displaying a Red Cross, a Red Crescent or other emblem related to the International Federation of the Red Cross (this sometimes leads to confusion when the British military is involved, where certain regiments use the English flag, which is also a red cross). It is also prohibited to fire at a person or vehicle bearing a white flag, since that indicates an intent to surrender or a desire to communicate. In either case, the persons protected by the Red Cross or white flag are expected to maintain neutrality, and may not engage in warlike acts; in fact, engaging in war activities under a white flag or red cross is itself a violation of the laws of war known as perfidy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war

OK, well, perfidy has been common among Israel's enemies.

Evidence?

And even if it has been common, it doesn't validate attacking a vehicle that by all signs is a Red Cross one.
If one party acts against the law it doesn't give the right to the other party to do the same.

Maybe they were hit by a Hezbollah missile.

During an Israeli missile strike? :rolleyes:
Hezbollah are now shooting their own territory from aircrafts, yes?

During an Israeli missile strike? :rolleyes:
Hezbollah are now shooting their own territory from aircrafts, yes?
Oh yeah! Those Hezbollah fighter jets made in California are awesome huh! Israel doesn't fight armies, they target non-Jewish civilians.

What is your opinion? Was this attack deliberate?
Of course it was deliberate , Israel wants to collectively punish Lebanon as well as destroy its infrastructure , such organisations as the Red Cross are witnesses to Israeli atrocities and accordingly must be intimidated .

Here follow this :
U.N.: Israeli airstrike hits U.N. observer post (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/25/mideast.main/index.html)
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- An Israeli airstrike hit a United Nations post in southern Lebanon late Tuesday, killing at least two of the agency's observers, according to the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon.
Isreal claims it was an accident as it was cauggt in the middle of crossfire but :
Israel troops 'ignored' UN plea (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5217176.stm)
UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says.
And to add to the confirmation of Israeli barbarity :
Annan: IAF hit 'apparently deliberate' (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291996858&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)
An Israeli bomb destroyed a UN observer post on the border in southern Lebanon, killing two peacekeepers with two others feared dead under the rubble. UN chief Kofi Annan said Israel appeared to have struck the site deliberately.
But today Israel wants this :
Israel US ambassador Ayalon: Annan has to apologize (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3281463,00.html)
"How DARE the UN claim this was a deliberate attack!" the sooner Israel is dissappears the better for mid east humanity .

Brian:

Aren't you confusing the government policy with the opinion of the people.

If you follow the blogs, you will realise that the Israeli people are also shocked at the deaths of the women and children.

In fact, there is an Israel-Lebanon blog where young people are exchanging their opinions in a fairly civil manner. I do not think the Israelis can be held accountable for what is fed to them by the government.

http://truthlaidbear.com/mideastcrisis.php

I just can't bring myself to believe that any of this is deliberate. It would be political suicide, surely? Surely they can't be that stupid!??

Six ambulance workers and their patients were wounded when Israeli missiles struck Red Cross ambulances on a rescue mission in south Lebanon. The attack took place near Qana when an ambulance from Tyre arrived intending to evacuate three patients from the border town of Tibnin. Two ambulances were completely destroyed as their roofs were pierced by missiles.

According to one of the drivers, two guided missiles were fired at each ambulance. It is claimed that the ambulance headlamps were on, the blue light overhead was flashing, and another light illuminated the Red Cross flag at the time.
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=125&id=4624&t=Israeli+missiles+hit+Red+Cross+ambulances

UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5217176.stm

I just can't bring myself to believe that any of this is deliberate. It would be political suicide, surely? Surely they can't be that stupid!??

There are no third party journalists in Lebanon(this is being strictly enforced by the Israelis, according to the American journalists), so there are no expectations that the news will get out. If one of the medics did not have a video camera, where is the proof?

Also the internet is playing a very powerful role with youtube etc. making all the stuff immediately available everywhere.

Israel is just asking for a judgement day of biblical proportions.
But till the USA backs it, it can do whatever it wants.

I'm confused

when ever there is conflict concerning palestinians at the root I am confused.
The only arab country that welcomed Palestinians and di not treat them like lower class citizens or worse was Iraq. Lebanon was not friendly towards them by any stretch of the imagination. Employment for them is practically non existant. How do I know? My ex came from Lebanon, he was refugee here, palestinian born of Palestinian father. He was born in Kuwait, another Arab country that doesn't like palestinians. So what is this all about?

"Hezbollah demands the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners and one Lebanese prisoner"

Lebanon is clearly not in support of more palestinains being freed to their land as they don't like or take care of the ones they have, so really why are the israelies bombing lebanon? Why do the Arab nations make out they care about Palestinians?

Someone please explain?

I do not think the Israelis can be held accountable for what is fed to them by the government.
Im not confusing anything , you are attempting to explain this public apathy by saying the Israeli public is similar to growing mushrooms , kept in the dark and fed on bullshit . Im sorry tyhe Israeli public are just as guilty , especially after shit this :
Online controversy over graffiti by Israeli kids (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291980307&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlimage&blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&blobkey=id&blobtable=JPImage&blobwhere=1153291983785&cachecontrol=never&ssbinary=true
In the public relations battle brewing on-line, there is a new eye to the center of the storm surrounding the war with Hizbullah - a series of photos showing Israeli children writing messages on shells meant for targets in Lebanon.
They know exactly what they are doing .

I'm confused

when ever there is conflict concerning palestinians at the root I am confused.
The only arab country that welcomed Palestinians and di not treat them like lower class citizens or worse was Iraq. Lebanon was not friendly towards them by any stretch of the imagination. Employment for them is practically non existant. How do I know? My ex came from Lebanon, he was refugee here, palestinian born of Palestinian father. He was born in Kuwait, another Arab country that doesn't like palestinians. So what is this all about?

"Hezbollah demands the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners and one Lebanese prisoner"

Lebanon is clearly not in support of more palestinains being freed to their land as they don't like or take care of the ones they have, so really why are the israelies bombing lebanon? Why do the Arab nations make out they care about Palestinians?

Someone please explain?

Lebanon has been a refuge for Palestinians since 1948.

Although the Hezbollah was initially formed to remove the Israelis from Lebanon, it has since associated itself with the Palestinians and Hamas and works together with them against Israel.

Lebanon has been a refuge for Palestinians since 1948.

Although the Hezbollah was initially formed to remove to oust the Israelis from Lebanon, it has since associated itself with the Palestinians and works together with them against Israel. I am not sure, but I believe this happened after Israel demolished the PLO.

Yes but hezzbollah is not supported by the people of lebanon if it was Palestinaians could get employment, buy homes, open a bank account, but they can't? When they apply for jobs and they show their passport, they are politely advised 'no'. This is a fact, my ex 's family had massive problems there due to being palestinian, same as in kuwait, same as in Dubai. VERY anti palestinain. Hence he is now here.

My ex's cousin faced deportation to lebaonon from here if he had been deported he faced the following existance there:

No job
not allowed to use his own money to: buy house/open buisness/open bank acct

Thus on humanitarian grounds he was not deported.

Some refuge

Israel must know they are targetting a predominantly christian country which lebanon is, and they must know that hezzbollah isn't supported there. thus their reasons for attack?

Im not confusing anything , you are attempting to explain this public apathy by saying the Israeli public is similar to growing mushrooms , kept in the dark and fed on bullshit . Im sorry tyhe Israeli public are just as guilty , especially after shit this :

They know exactly what they are doing .

Don't get caught up in propaganda Brian

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/07/18/image_of_the_day_chi.html

This unfortunate 'photo op' has taken on a life of its own, with the meme that bloodthirsty Israeli children are sending a message of destruction to their Lebanese neighbors. Neither the hebrew or english says anything like "From Israel with Love". I can make out "Nazrala with.. from Israel", which I assume might be "[To] Nazrala with [love] from Israel". From the little I can make out, all the messages in hebrew are similarly addressed to Nasrala.

Yes but hezzbollah is not supported by the people of lebanon if it was Palestinaians could get employment, buy homes, open a bank account, but they can't? When they apply for jobs and they show their passport, they are politely advised 'no'. This is a fact, my ex 's family had massive problems there due to being palestinian, same as in kuwait, same as in Dubai. VERY anti palestinain. Hence he is now here.

My ex's cousin faced deportation to lebaonon from here if he had been deported he faced the following existance there:

No job
not allowed to use his own money to: buy house/open buisness/open bank acct

Thus on humanitarian grounds he was not deported.

Some refuge

Hezbollah is supported by the Lebanese for the simple reason that only Hezbollah can counteract Israeli aggression. However, you have to understand that Lebanon has suffered since 1967 (including 17 years of war both civil and from Israel) due to Palestinian-Israeli aggression. In all instances, this has led to Lebanese civilians being massacred by Israel. So their current policy is to discourage Palestinians from settling in Lebanon.

I have heard on several report that Hezbollah has been using ambulances to transport fighter and supplies around the battle zone, it has been done before, as I have found this story, am wading through a pile of information will post more as I find it.


Jihad Watch: Ambulances for Terrorists
Of course, the IDF isn't too fond of terrorists using ambulances, ... evidence that ambulances are used illegally to transport troops or weapons they are ...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/002107.php

June 03, 2004
Ambulances for Terrorists

(Photo via LGF)

The UN and Red Cross seem to be allowing Muslim terrorists to use their ambulances. From Michelle Malkin at Town Hall via FrontPage, with thanks to Cathy J. Palmer:

Last week, an Israeli television station aired footage of armed Arab terrorists in southern Gaza using an ambulance owned and operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA). Palestinian gunmen used the UNRWA emergency vehicle as getaway transportation after murdering six Israeli soldiers in Gaza City on May 11. The footage shows two ambulances with flashing lights pull onto a street. Shots and shouts ring out during the nighttime raid. A gang of militants piles into one of the supposedly neutral ambulances, clearly marked "UN" with the agency's blue flag flying from the roof, which then speeds away from the scene.

Human Rights Watch stated on 18 July that "Hezbollah's attacks [on Haifa] were at best indiscriminate attacks in civilian areas, at worst the deliberate targeting of civilians. Either way, they were serious violations of international humanitarian law and probable war crimes." The reasoning was that "the warheads used suggest a desire to maximize harm to civilians. Some of the rockets launched against Haifa over the past two days contained hundreds of metal ball bearings that are of limited use against military targets but cause great harm to civilians and civilian property. The ball bearings lodge in the body and cause serious harm."[88]

I have heard on several report that Hezbollah has been using ambulances to transport fighter and supplies around the battle zone, it has been done before, as I have found this story, am wading through a pile of information will post more as I find it.


Jihad Watch: Ambulances for Terrorists
Of course, the IDF isn't too fond of terrorists using ambulances, ... evidence that ambulances are used illegally to transport troops or weapons they are ...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/002107.php

June 03, 2004
Ambulances for Terrorists

(Photo via LGF)

The UN and Red Cross seem to be allowing Muslim terrorists to use their ambulances. From Michelle Malkin at Town Hall via FrontPage, with thanks to Cathy J. Palmer:

Last week, an Israeli television station aired footage of armed Arab terrorists in southern Gaza using an ambulance owned and operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA). Palestinian gunmen used the UNRWA emergency vehicle as getaway transportation after murdering six Israeli soldiers in Gaza City on May 11. The footage shows two ambulances with flashing lights pull onto a street. Shots and shouts ring out during the nighttime raid. A gang of militants piles into one of the supposedly neutral ambulances, clearly marked "UN" with the agency's blue flag flying from the roof, which then speeds away from the scene.

Human Rights Watch stated on 18 July that "Hezbollah's attacks [on Haifa] were at best indiscriminate attacks in civilian areas, at worst the deliberate targeting of civilians. Either way, they were serious violations of international humanitarian law and probable war crimes." The reasoning was that "the warheads used suggest a desire to maximize harm to civilians. Some of the rockets launched against Haifa over the past two days contained hundreds of metal ball bearings that are of limited use against military targets but cause great harm to civilians and civilian property. The ball bearings lodge in the body and cause serious harm."[88]


Buffalo, Jihadwatch is run by Robert Spencer and is a very biased anti-Islamic site. Also this does not justify attack on Red Cross ambulances. It is still a war crime.

And how many of the site that you use a rabidly anti Israeli? and biased in their reporting, there is two sides to this story, but is anybody reporting on the years of build up of Hezbollah, the bunkers and tunnels that were prepared over the last ten years, that they are storing their munitions in civilian homes, hospitals, schools, that Hezbollah is launching their rocket from civilian neighborhoods, and in close proximity of U.N. Observer Post, the incessant continuous terrorist attacks against Israel, all you have to look at is the Peace between Israel and Jordan, and Egypt, since Egypt and Jordan stopped the Palestinians and other terrorist groups from using their lands to mount attacks on Israel, has Israel attacked them, the answer is no, and peace between these countries has brought prosperity to them, so you do have a real world example to show what happens when you make real peace.

And how many of the site that you use a rabidly anti Israeli? and biased in their reporting, there is two sides to this story, but is anybody reporting on the years of build up of Hezbollah, the bunkers and tunnels that were prepared over the last ten years, that they are storing their munitions in civilian homes, hospitals, schools, that Hezbollah is launching their rocket from civilian neighborhoods, and in close proximity of U.N. Observer Post, the incessant continuous terrorist attacks against Israel, all you have to look at is the Peace between Israel and Jordan, and Egypt, since Egypt and Jordan stopped the Palestinians and other terrorist groups from using their lands to mount attacks on Israel, has Israel attacked them, the answer is no, and peace between these countries has brought prosperity to them, so you do have a real world example to show what happens when you make real peace.


I believe I pointed out in my last post that those affected by terrorism feel differently towards those harbouring their terrorist aggressors and I can relate to that. I also pointed out that if Lebanese did not harbour Hexzzbollah they would not be the target of Israels frustration. Meanwhile Israel is being uneccessarily heavy handed and inhumane. In todays world this is unacceptable and they need to resort to more direct methods. Meanwhile more needs to be done to curb hezzbollah terrorist activities.

And how many of the site that you use a rabidly anti Israeli? and biased in their reporting, there is two sides to this story, but is anybody reporting on the years of build up of Hezbollah, the bunkers and tunnels that were prepared over the last ten years, that they are storing their munitions in civilian homes, hospitals, schools, that Hezbollah is launching their rocket from civilian neighborhoods, and in close proximity of U.N. Observer Post, the incessant continuous terrorist attacks against Israel, all you have to look at is the Peace between Israel and Jordan, and Egypt, since Egypt and Jordan stopped the Palestinians and other terrorist groups from using their lands to mount attacks on Israel, has Israel attacked them, the answer is no, and peace between these countries has brought prosperity to them, so you do have a real world example to show what happens when you make real peace.

I don't think anyone is blameless here.

History of the Lebanese-Israeli Conflict
Jul 17 9:23 AM US/Eastern
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By The Associated Press



A brief history of the Lebanese-Israeli conflict:

Because Israel and Lebanon have never signed a peace accord, the countries remain officially in a state of war that has existed since 1948 when Lebanon joined other Arab nations against the newly formed Jewish state.



The two countries have been bound by an armistice signed in 1949, which regulates the presence of military forces in southern Lebanon.

With a large Christian minority in an overwhelmingly Muslim region, mercantile and Westernized, Lebanon was considered the least hostile Arab neighbor to Israel _ and the weakest. The rare skirmishes that occurred were mostly symbolic.

That began to change as Palestinian guerrillas became active. In 1968, Israeli commandos landed at Beirut airport and blew up 13 Lebanese airliners in retaliation for Arab militants firing on an Israeli airliner in Athens, Greece.

Under pressure from staunch anti-Israeli Arab regimes in 1969, Lebanon signed an agreement that effectively gave away a southern region for Palestinian guerrillas to use as a springboard to infiltrate Israel or launch cross-border attacks.

Israel retaliated regularly as Palestinian guerrillas fired on northern Israel, and Israeli forces invaded southern Lebanon in 1978. A U.N. peacekeeping force deployed and the Israelis pulled out after installing a local Lebanese militia in a border buffer zone, but the attacks continued.

Israel invaded again on a wider scale in 1982 to destroy Yasser Arafat's Palestinian guerrilla movement, which had established itself as a force within Lebanon during the country's civil war that began in The bulk of Palestinian guerrillas were evacuated from Lebanon, but a new Lebanese guerrilla force, Hezbollah, emerged with the aid of Iran and drawn from the Shiite Muslim community that inhabits southern and eastern Lebanon.

U.S.-sponsored negotiations produced a Lebanon-Israel agreement but that deal died as Lebanon collapsed in another round of civil war.

After a destructive and costly military campaign that lasted for three years, Israeli forces withdrew from most of Lebanon but retained a self-proclaimed "security zone" just north of its own border.

Fighting inside Lebanon would escalate periodically, including a 1993 Israeli bombing offensive and the 17-day "Grapes of Wrath" military campaign in 1996 that left about 150 Lebanese civilians dead. At that time, Israel was reacting against guerrilla attacks by Hezbollah against Israeli soldiers inside the occupied zone and against Katyusha rockets being fired by Hezbollah into Israel proper.

Israel left that zone in 2000, but warned that it would return if its security to the north was compromised.

Hezbollah trumpeted Israel's withdrawal as a great victory but claimed that Israel continued to occupy illegally a small, empty parcel near Syria called the Chebaa Farms.

Diplomats mostly see that claim as a convenient excuse to justify attacks against Israel. Nevertheless, the Israeli-Lebanese frontier had remained largely quiet for the past six years with occasional outbursts _ until a cross-border raid July 12 resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of eight others, sparking the current warfare.

Sam, I was again going to use part of what you just posted to support some of my points, I wish I could sit across a table from you in this debate, I think that would be a blast, there is much in that post that support my point to.

Sam, I was again going to use part of what you just posted to support some of my points, I wish I could sit across a table from you in this debate, I think that would be a blast, there is much in that post that support my point to.


Hence she said before the post :

I don't think anyone is blameless here.

.

Hence she said before the post :

I am glad someone is paying attention.

Sam you think I wasn't paying attention, I'm hurt to the quick.

I'm not falling for that one.

U.S.S. Liberty Part Deux.

- N

It is israel's war doctrine. Kill innocents as many as possible. Destroy Schools, food trucks, ambulances and hospitals. Thats the only way they can win the war against weak and innocent civilians.


What is it called when you kill innocent children, women, men and destroy civilian infrastructure on purpose? war or TERRORISM? and if it is commited by a dedicated religious army of a certain religion? would it be called Religious terrorism? oh I can't use the word jewish here, since the world only loves only islamic terrorism....everything else is tolerable.

Remember kids: when a jew comes to kill you, don't resist, less you want to be called anti-semitic.