How can you tell if your going mad??? (That mad as in insain not angry mad) I keep thinking the worlds gona end. am i the only sain person thinking that, or am i like the others that are locked up whith a nice white jacket and soft walls.

Often one cannot tell, but your friends will tell you. The world will end eventually, but perhaps you only mean our present society, which will end sooner. Some of this is the product of sensationalism, but there are many indications our society is not sustainable in it's present form. I think alot of it has to do with the peak oil phenomenon.

I got this habit of playing out certain scenarios in my head, its like puting equations in a calculator eg (1+1=2 )

in my case (Bombs that can kill millions)+(man)=(end of world)

the "peak oil phenomenon" one of the few scenarios that hasnt realy bothered me too much as this is one of the things i consider a spark but an answer can be found to this so it can be avoided.

The kind of things that i havent been able to figure out a way out of the simple fact of the rain forests being destroyed in turn upseting the balance of the earth.

The recent natural desasters only confirm the worst case end of world scenario that has gone through my head is there a way of avoiding this.

You are exhibiting signs of paranoia... are you on drugs? Either accept that the world is not going to end suddenly any time soon and get a life, or go see a shrink.

You sound perfectly sane.

Thats the problem i started thinking like this once i got off the drugs. And i dont think its gonna end suddenly i think its gonna be a slow process. We're all gonna keep reasuring our selves we've got time to stop what ever it is that will finish us off but before we know it its gonna be too late.

Thinking the world is going to end suddenly now thats insane!!!

By the way i havent stopped living my life yet, if i did, then as far as im concerned the world would be over.

And i dont trust shrinks i think they just play with your mind and screw around with things in there they dont fully understand. Already get that with girls, you trying to turn me mad or summin??

Maybe you should get back on the drugs :D

Maybe you're right... Bird Flu is spreading around the globe, transmutation to human flu could happen any time and then it may not. Stop worrying, you can't change anything.

Ohh yeah thers that bird flu aswell.
Man kind has no hope.
Were all doomed i tell ya!!! DOOMED!!!

Ahh well atleast i wont have pay back ma uni debts.

How can you tell if your going mad??? (That mad as in insain not angry mad) I keep thinking the worlds gona end. am i the only sain person thinking that, or am i like the others that are locked up whith a nice white jacket and soft walls.

You are safe. Cause the real insane people are never aware of the insanity that they bump into.

Ohh yeah thers that bird flu aswell.
Man kind has no hope.
Were all doomed i tell ya!!! DOOMED!!!

Ahh well atleast i wont have pay back ma uni debts.

The bird virus hasn't been spread from human to human as yet so there's nothing that can happen worldwide until it does. There's already a vaccine for it already so people can be innoculated against it. For every problem there is a solution, it just takes time to find the solution sometimes but those who think positive are the ones trying tp help. Anyone who thinks negatively won't be helping they only add to the problem so if you can try to change your point of view you too will be helping the world survive.

As for your debts, they aren't going anywhere so you'd better take care of them.

I also have this problem, worrying about the world/civilisation ending/collapsing, or war, nukes, invasion, etc. It is a result of the combination of my higher political and social awareness and sensitivity, and my higher general state of anxiety.



I'd like to think both can be changed, although its a question for you as to how much its fucking with your life.

May I ask what drugs you were on?

If you have had bad experiences in the past with shrinks don't let them put you off. There are plenty of good ones out there, their knowledge is founded in science. They have at least 8 years training.

My advice: Perspective.

Life's too short to spend it worrying about when it's all going to end. It will end soon enough. Be in the moment and find joy where you can.

Don't take life too seriously. That you are and some day will not be is part of the cosmic joke. Laugh and be merry with it, as you are part of the joke (as am I).

Just keep it all in perspective man. You'll be fine.

:D

So what I'm saying is when you find yourself in a funk about it, realize what an idiot you're being (I say that to myself if I find myself in that mode), tell yourself you're an idiot, forgive yourself for your indulgance of your worry, laugh about the mental tricks you can play on yourself, rinse and repeat the next time it rolls along. Eventually you'll find yourself in a position that you're not as much of an idiot as you used to be, or you'll discover wonderful new types of idiocy, like habitually posting retarded theories on internet forums (like I do). At least this is what worked for me.

crazy people don't know that they're crazy.

you just seem disturbed... welcome to the club.

i don't mean that sarcastically. we're taught that if the way we feel goes against the present craziness, then we need some kind of pill to make us right again. fuck that. i'll just sit in a room drinking by myself until i feel like it's safe to come out, which i'm sure won't be for a while.

the world will end some day. perhaps not soon. perhaps there is hope that it will be soon. does support for the latter make me insane? or do you agree as well? i'm just tired of people misunderstanding, because it really shouldn't matter. you could be sane to yourself, but insane to the rest of the world, no?

You are safe. Cause the real insane people are never aware of the insanity that they bump into.


Good point but wouldnt that make me a little worse that i know my insanity and i am embracing it instead of telling myself to let go of it???

The bird virus hasn't been spread from human to human as yet so there's nothing that can happen worldwide until it does. There's already a vaccine for it already so people can be innoculated against it. For every problem there is a solution, it just takes time to find the solution sometimes but those who think positive are the ones trying tp help. Anyone who thinks negatively won't be helping they only add to the problem so if you can try to change your point of view you too will be helping the world survive.

As for your debts, they aren't going anywhere so you'd better take care of them.

Doesnt it take a negative thinking person to get the positive thinking person to do something about the situation???

Are you going mad? Well, as has been said, usually other people will tell you.
But since you've been on drugs... try asking yourself some deep questions
about the nature of reality. You may have picked up some info along the way
that you are not yet conscious of. ... get back to us.

When i say drugs i mean cannabis and i only called it drugs cause someone else did i think of it more as herbal medicine. The reason why i started on this medicine was my mind was always racing away, if a quetion was asked usualy untill i answerd that quetion i wouldnt/couldnt leave it alone. the medicine(cannabis) stoped me thinking too deep about it.

To give you an example of the extent of my problem the current problem im trying to solve is what happens to matter once it hits light speed, my answer so far is that it has a connection with black holes. the reason for that answer is lookin at what happens when an object hits the speed of sound you get a sonic boom a intense colection of sound at one point, and with light usualy if the same thing was to happen you would get a flash(wait this is all new to me now) what happen when an object moves away from its own imiage??????

Man wheres ma bag of weed???

the world will end some day. perhaps not soon. perhaps there is hope that it will be soon. does support for the latter make me insane? or do you agree as well? i'm just tired of people misunderstanding, because it really shouldn't matter. you could be sane to yourself, but insane to the rest of the world, no?

what about the other way round sain to the world insain to yourself??? what then???are you actualy sain or insain???

I also have this problem, worrying about the world/civilisation ending/collapsing, or war, nukes, invasion, etc. It is a result of the combination of my higher political and social awareness and sensitivity, and my higher general state of anxiety.



I'd like to think both can be changed, although its a question for you as to how much its fucking with your life.

May I ask what drugs you were on?

If you have had bad experiences in the past with shrinks don't let them put you off. There are plenty of good ones out there, their knowledge is founded in science. They have at least 8 years training.

I dont think its affecting my life in anyway as ive accepted this will happen and since i dont know exactly when, i cant realy do any thing about it so i dont let theory effect reality.

Never seen a shrink actualy dont think i need to. like i said before i dont let theory effect my reality but its confusing when theory actualy starts becoming reality without any interaction from me.

Doesnt it take a negative thinking person to get the positive thinking person to do something about the situation???


Actually no, the negatitve doesn't trigger anything but negative results for themselves. They must try to get into a positive thinking mode for only then will they become enlightened for what they truely can become.

"Cannabis is an ancient drug, if you didn't learn something while using it, maybe you mis-used it... but maybe you are just caught in the whirlwind of awakening awareness and so... just ride it and give it time."

Or perhaps you coughed your lungs out trying to catch your breath for pot isn't good for your lungs, that's why you cough to try to expell the crap from inside your lungs. Anytime you are coughing when you smoke your body is telling you it doesn't like what your doing to it. Stop smoking and your coughing will stop also.

Good point but wouldnt that make me a little worse that i know my insanity and i am embracing it instead of telling myself to let go of it???
yeahhh, GOOD. embrace it. case it aint insanity. actually the whole mental heath shit as propaganderized by trhe guv-pharma-shrink cartel is the means to control such notions you may have by callin it 'paranoia' etcetc as is thwir wont. also notice how their psychobbble has not infiltrated into the general community who will quickly call you 'neurotic'. 'paranoid' etc if you speak about things considered 'unacceptable....!

so, ISte world gonna end. that 'd be eay. what i feel might happen IF we got the equation of string pullrs and apathy running the show is....hell on earth. tisis where man-the-god-ashe-think-himself-to-be tried to GM Nature. creating all kinds of problems. most of this ishappening now. i Iraq for example, they use Depeted Uranium yet LIE about its horrific effects. for a child who is a victim of tese effects, and i ASSURE you could not look for long at what these are--then for these children the hellish world is already here!

pardon the diversion, but I implore any of our brit members (who can afford it) to find duendy and give him (her) a new keyboard, as his (hers) is obviously malfunctioning.

what..yer a cosmic trveler and aint heard of brownies...????

what about the other way round sain to the world insain to yourself??? what then???are you actualy sain or insain???

then you've yourself a wonderful paradox :). i would choose the latter..it is much more interesting.

what..yer a cosmic trveler and aint heard of brownies...????


I've heard of them but I like mine much better. I make them so no one gets sick when they eat them. Make all the pot you want, it still won't lead you to enlightenment. Being in harmony within oneself only takes your mind to overcome the problems that cloud its view, smoke being one of the clouds.

How can you tell if your going mad??? (That mad as in insain not angry mad) I keep thinking the worlds gona end. am i the only sain person thinking that, or am i like the others that are locked up whith a nice white jacket and soft walls.

I want ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking, yeah -- and I quote the good Douglas Adams, flashing you an electronic look that can make your diodes rot:

There is no point in driving yourself mad trying to stop yourself going mad. You might just as well give in and save your sanity for later.

*promptly vanishing into the thin air out of which I had whopped*

Knowing ones true fears is only a path to enlightenment, to be free of those things that only you think exist but are only in your mind.

yeahhh, GOOD. embrace it. case it aint insanity. actually the whole mental heath shit as propaganderized by trhe guv-pharma-shrink cartel is the means to control such notions you may have by callin it 'paranoia' etcetc as is thwir wont. also notice how their psychobbble has not infiltrated into the general community who will quickly call you 'neurotic'. 'paranoid' etc if you speak about things considered 'unacceptable....! here!

I find this to be a profoundly ignorant statement.
This man is obviously suffering from anxiety which is causing him serious distress - he thinks he is "going mad".

It is quite likely that his cannabis use has contributed to his state of anxiety now.
I know because I've suffered from this sort of anxiety before - and (like many others) have had a severe reaction to smoking weed.

Now I've got nothing against pot smokers - my best friend has a problem with weed and i still support him. BUT

The agenda of the "whole mental health shit" as you put it is actually to help people with their mental illness and to ease their suffering.

I'm doing a double science degree in Psychology and Neuroscience.
I also wouldnt be alive today if it wasnt for the "pharma-shrink cartel".
These people help more of the suffering than you ever will.

Their help, support, and medication has saved my life, and ultimately led me to a more insightful, unbiased, and educated perspective than yours.

Let me remind you that i'm a liberal who strongly opposes the US and Australian government, the war in Iraq, etc, and I think 9/11 was DODGY.

Telling this guy to smoke more weed is not in his interests DUENDY.
Why don't you just tell him to buy a handgun?
Or get an education before you start insulting western medicine.

I guess you must still be too "proud" to pick the cotton out of the top of the bottle.

I find this to be a profoundly ignorant statement.
This man is obviously suffering from anxiety which is causing him serious distress - he thinks he is "going mad".

It is quite likely that his cannabis use has contributed to his state of anxiety now.
I know because I've suffered from this sort of anxiety before - and (like many others) have had a severe reaction to smoking weed.

Now I've got nothing against pot smokers - my best friend has a problem with weed and i still support him. BUT

The agenda of the "whole mental health shit" as you put it is actually to help people with their mental illness and to ease their suffering.

I'm doing a double science degree in Psychology and Neuroscience.
I also wouldnt be alive today if it wasnt for the "pharma-shrink cartel".
These people help more of the suffering than you ever will.

Their help, support, and medication has saved my life, and ultimately led me to a more insightful, unbiased, and educated perspective than yours.

Let me remind you that i'm a liberal who strongly opposes the US and Australian government, the war in Iraq, etc, and I think 9/11 was DODGY.

Telling this guy to smoke more weed is not in his interests DUENDY.
Why don't you just tell him to buy a handgun?
Or get an education before you start insulting western medicine.

I guess you must still be too "proud" to pick the cotton out of the top of the bottle.

You seem smart, what are the sighns of anxiety, actualy what exactly is anxiety and how does one get over it???

Anxiety is like butterflies in your stomach, or like a nagging non thought; it's like something is bugging you but you can't quite put your finger on it... in actual fact you probably Can put your finger on it, but still... it's usually More than just one thing. It's... an uncentainty; it's like you're not in control of the situation.. yes, I think that's the crux, it's not feeling that you're in control.

It's like WTF, WTF? WTF IS going on?

It;s the stage where statements like 'life is shit and then you die' actually make sense and actually relate to your state of being.

The first step to overcoming this state of affairs, albeit even for a temporary period is, I think, acceptance. Accept the shit that's going down. You know, that's how it is, life IS shit and then you DO die, fuck, that's the truth! But then... then, in between there's other shit as well, there's better shit, shit that you'd lap up like some shit-cum whore because it's what balances the Other shit, the shit that is getting you down. Believe it, there's BETTER shit gonna come your way.

Think... look... search... Wait... Endeavour... Whatever.... If living makes you feel like shit, then, change your fucking life, just Think... look... search... wait... Endeavour... Whatever... The bottom line IS shit. Just overcome and find and enjoy the good bits!

quote: There's already a vaccine for it already so people can be innoculated against it.
That is not true. The reason the Virus (if it is real and not just a scare tactic) has not jumped to humans is because it has not mutated to the point that it can do that. When it does (if) it will have mutated and a vaccine would have to be made to be effective on that particular mutated virus.
PLUS, when is the last time medicine has "cured or prevented" anything?

Answer: Polio and Smallpox. Everything else, thanks to the FDA has to be treated. Not enough money to be made by curing or preventing anything. More than likely this "bird flu" is more like the swine flu, or Sars or all the other BS that they keep scaring us with is a HUGE AD CAMPAIGN that the Pharmaceutical companies run for free via CNN, FOX and all the other media outlets just to sell billions of dollars worth of medicines.

I can uderstand how this guy feels because they keep throwing things at us and after a while it lessens your quality of life due all these dark clouds hanging over our heads. Then most everyone says "oh, theres nothing you can do about it, just ignore it". We have gotten so used to getting "taken advantage of" we just roll over and let the next scammer get our money.

I for one am tired of all this BS. In large numbers there is something we can do.

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Anxiety is like butterflies in your stomach, or like a nagging non thought; it's like something is bugging you but you can't quite put your finger on it... in actual fact you probably Can put your finger on it, but still... it's usually More than just one thing. It's... an uncentainty; it's like you're not in control of the situation.. yes, I think that's the crux, it's not feeling that you're in control.

It's like WTF, WTF? WTF IS going on?

It;s the stage where statements like 'life is shit and then you die' actually make sense and actually relate to your state of being.

The first step to overcoming this state of affairs, albeit even for a temporary period is, I think, acceptance. Accept the shit that's going down. You know, that's how it is, life IS shit and then you DO die, fuck, that's the truth! But then... then, in between there's other shit as well, there's better shit, shit that you'd lap up like some shit-cum whore because it's what balances the Other shit, the shit that is getting you down. Believe it, there's BETTER shit gonna come your way.

Think... look... search... Wait... Endeavour... Whatever.... If living makes you feel like shit, then, change your fucking life, just Think... look... search... wait... Endeavour... Whatever... The bottom line IS shit. Just overcome and find and enjoy the good bits!

What if the anxiety is knowing that i can do anything i put my mind to and not being able to find the motivation needed.

If some one doesnt have motivation, how does on create it???

LOL.

Did you read what I said before?

Anyway, you need to be brutally honest with yourself.

You can NOT do anything you put in your mind unless you keep it in your mind long enough for it to get done.

You're pretending to yourself that this limitation isn't real, perhaps because you lack the experience in life to clearly understand opportunity cost.

Pick on of these things and use your energy to ensure it gets done, and done right. Then reflect on what was said above.

You could accomplish anything you set your mind to, but uhm... you have to set your mind to something or nothing will get accomplished. Either pick something or shutup about it. ( I don't mean to be rude, but that's exactly what I tell ME in the same situation ). While you're making up your mind make sure to get a decent degree or something, or whatever can support you while you're procrastinating your way towards greatness. *snicker*

Hehe. Stop and smell the flowers man. Appreciate what you have. Breathe deep. Find joy. Move forward.

World events are just getting to you, and giving you anxiety.

I actually get paranoia in a mild way, i have bouts,like occasionally i'll avoid the internet completely because i think the government is using it as a tool to make plots against me.

The other day i phoned my bank and told them i lost my credit card, i was lying, i just wanted a new card because i believed someone might have my card number and might use it against me, i have reported my cards lost or stolen at least 10 times in 2 years, in all cases i was lying.

Sometimes i avoid this website because i think someone on here might be out to get me, i get extreme anxiety for instance if someone has sent me a private message, so i get someone else to read it first.

LOL.

Did you read what I said before?

Anyway, you need to be brutally honest with yourself.

You can NOT do anything you put in your mind unless you keep it in your mind long enough for it to get done.

You're pretending to yourself that this limitation isn't real, perhaps because you lack the experience in life to clearly understand opportunity cost.

Pick on of these things and use your energy to ensure it gets done, and done right. Then reflect on what was said above.

You could accomplish anything you set your mind to, but uhm... you have to set your mind to something or nothing will get accomplished. Either pick something or shutup about it. ( I don't mean to be rude, but that's exactly what I tell ME in the same situation ). While you're making up your mind make sure to get a decent degree or something, or whatever can support you while you're procrastinating your way towards greatness. *snicker*

Hehe. Stop and smell the flowers man. Appreciate what you have. Breathe deep. Find joy. Move forward.

I hate to admit this, (i dont know why, probably because of that stupid flashing picture of you), but i think your right. Now the next question that im stuck on is :

How do i pick what i want to become?????

World events are just getting to you, and giving you anxiety.

I actually get paranoia in a mild way, i have bouts,like occasionally i'll avoid the internet completely because i think the government is using it as a tool to make plots against me.

The other day i phoned my bank and told them i lost my credit card, i was lying, i just wanted a new card because i believed someone might have my card number and might use it against me, i have reported my cards lost or stolen at least 10 times in 2 years, in all cases i was lying.

Sometimes i avoid this website because i think someone on here might be out to get me, i get extreme anxiety for instance if someone has sent me a private message, so i get someone else to read it first.

Man your as fucked in the head as i am!!!!!!

What are you implying with a name like GODLESSEVIL bythe way?? evil cannot be godless no matter how fucked in the head you are!!!!!

My best advice is to consult your sages. In my life when weirdness has arisen, I speak to every wise older person about my scenario that will listen and provide council. Eventually, I push my brain hard enough to arrive at an epiphany about what I have to do. Basically I push it to collapse and in the recovery stage my required action becomes clear.

I joined the army in that manner.

I did college post army in that manner.

I got married in that manner.

All of which have been great experiences.

*shrug*

BTW, the stupid picture is supposed to be funny. Ha.

LOL, you should have been here for the few days there was a cult surrounding that avatar. It was awesome. Dancing Wesheads flooded sciforums for like a weekish. That's actually the explanation for the little wierd thing 1 of N in my title. There were many of me(we) at one time.

GodlessEvil sounds like he's been hitting the bong a bit too hard or that he may be developing into a paranoid schizophrenic; I think GodlessEvil should see a specialist and talk about his problem before it gets worse, I mean seriously!

GodlessEvil sounds like he's been hitting the bong a bit too hard or that he may be developing into a paranoid schizophrenic; I think GodlessEvil should see a specialist and talk about his problem before it gets worse, I mean seriously!

I think you just want me locked up because i don't share the same viewpoint as you.

I buy things online, anybody could hack my computer, as soon as i joined this site i knew i had to get my debit card changed because someone on this website would probably follow where i go on the internet and then steal my money.
For extra caution i no longer shop online, if i have to i'll do double checks on things, like security and firewall, antivirus etc
or i'll start a fresh and format my computer or switch to my other computer.

I'm also involved in far right politics, so i may have enemies of the left trying to track down where i live.
Thats why i have a crossbow under my bed.

You're probably being watched on cctv as well.

Apparently if you were truly insane you wouldn't know you were insane, you would just think you were normal.

Who's normal anyways? You know what the number one sickness is? Poor mental health.

I'm also involved in far right politics, so i may have enemies of the left trying to track down where i live.
Thats why i have a crossbow under my bed.

Remind me what far right politics is????

Far right could only mean some sort of fascism, neo nazism; that sort of thing. No wonder you think you're going mad; anyway, plenty of nutcases on this board obviously, so you're in the right company.

Remind me what far right politics is????

Well specifically i'd not say i am a neo-nazi, the far-right is actually a derogatory term.
My core belief system has elements of fascism and usual democratic socialist, but is anti-immigration and supports a reintroduction of national service.
And the right to bare arms after national service, you'll have a rifle at home.
And reintroduction of the death penalty and stricter on criminals and corporal punishment.

Of course the UK being what it is today this is considered extremism, even though it is what we had once ANYWAY, we are out to fix the 60 years of political damage by the marxists who pretty much run the show today.

Now broadband is a bad thing, i have it due to speed, speed is increasingly important today, but the trouble is it is not as sucure as dial-up because the address stays the same, you can hide more easily on the internet with dial-up.

I'm a little over cautious but maybe that is a good thing, considering how many people are out to get you even though it's not personal.
I'm only paranoid when it comes to the internet really, and that is not a mental illness, it is a reality.

Far right could only mean some sort of fascism, neo nazism; that sort of thing. No wonder you think you're going mad; anyway, plenty of nutcases on this board obviously, so you're in the right company.

Also in addition we are not a proscribed party as we democratically get votes within the general election.

Well we could be proscribed but this would be un-democratic, instead the 3 main partys group together to form a psuedo banishment, or use bully boy tactics to prevent us having the right to speak, they might for instance use the "incitement to racial hatred" bullshit.

Lets say i send leaflets or have written a newsletter and 800 people recieve it, now 1 person might read it and go outside and beat up a black guy because he is enraged.
Due to this the person who wrote or compiled the letter or even put leaflets door to door could be arrested and get 3 years in jail max.

However they completely ignore the fact that the 799 other people who got the leaflet/newsletter did nothing except agree/disagree.

Thats the kind of crap that we face.

Like horror films, 1 million people could watch a particular horror film, one person commits a crime based on that horror film and suddenly it is banned, ignoring the fact 999,999 people just watched it and did nothing.

It's crazy, that is insanity for you right there.

You know your tactics are extremest and judging with a name like yours i would say you consider yourself to be........ evil.

If you have no good beliefs of your self and for your self, how could you expect others to trust or follow you????

By the way you talk about how the rules are a little bias, consider that you get power, whats the main thing you would want to do with that?? it should be you want to keep it. Taking that into mind it would explain how some of these laws/legislations get created.

its weird actually last night i thot about that same idea. but i actually thot i was going insaine, liek thoes weird movies it was like i understood why they did what they did and it was liek i was almost scared of every thing, at the ti i was really depressed mad sad and jsutt mentaly fucked

You know your tactics are extremest and judging with a name like yours i would say you consider yourself to be........ evil.

If you have no good beliefs of your self and for your self, how could you expect others to trust or follow you????

By the way you talk about how the rules are a little bias, consider that you get power, whats the main thing you would want to do with that?? it should be you want to keep it. Taking that into mind it would explain how some of these laws/legislations get created.

No i consider the world to be evil, godless and evil are two names to describe the world, rather than describe myself.

If you take that opinion then one must also think i am godless???
so what, what the hell would that mean anyway?

I have started early in politics, i'm a new starter having only been a member of a political party for 2 years and i'm 25.
Everyone has to start somewhere and i learned early what needs a radical shift.
I originally was going to enter the police force when i was younger, then i decided against it because the company i kept at the time would not have liked it and i started going downhill, later i ended up following art and i did well with art and worked in a tattoo studio for a year while continuing my other night job, i was going to join the army, but decided that current politics seems only to want you to fight for someone else.
So if i was really to do something and make up new social friends i decided that with my current night job i'll do all i can with politics in the day and that i knew would be a lifetime effort and struggle.

Britain is in trouble, the 3 main partys are no good, i feel i am of the new blood in politics that people need.

Do you actualy belive in god???

Are you with the BNP or summin???

Actually I went through a similar period of border-line insanity at 16. I couldn't find the point and was all whacked out about it. I figured it out after a while, still 16 I think.

GODLESSEVIL

The BNP and affiliated Nationalistic groups are beyond accepted norms of politics. Their ideologies are extreme and are based on fear, paranoia and skewed thinking and this is also what they like to promote.. fear and paranoia based on misinformation gathered from a skewed perspective, which creates hate and loathing.

They will recruit their members from an underclass of disaffected youth who are actually quite lost or even despondent and will brainwash them with very logical sounding crap, welcoming them into a 'family' of people who supposedly 'love their country and race'. Their tactics of recruitment are similar in form to tactics used by all cults. They will offer a sense of belonging and a sense of reason.. they will make you feel that you are doing 'the right thing' and that ultimately it is 'for the good of all', they will make sure that you are not left alone too long in case you form a different opinion to theirs and they will have a senior member of the cult 'on your case' all the time.

Over time, they will use you to run their errands, write their propaganda or distribute it, they will goad you into participating in demonstrations and acts of insurgence and the more willing you become, the more they will use you. They will ask you to do things you wouldn't normally do, they will ask you to commit criminal acts of violence and anarchy as a way of moving up in the ranks. If you are intelligent or are in a position of power in your ordinary life, they will use your gift against you, goading you into more devious and covert acts and you will get sucked down into an abyss that will seem impossible to escape from and then you will belong to them completely.

And ALL the time, you are led to believe quite sincerely that what you and your cronies are doing is for the good of one and all.

You are led to believe that the whole world is Godless and Evil. But wait for a moment, have you ever been anywhere in the world, on your own, of your own choosing? Have you ever met and befriended people in the world, in foreign lands? Yes? Really? How many people, how many places? And they're ALL evil and even Godless? Can you honestly think that with a straight face?

Have you EVER considered what would happen to the infrastructure and services that maintain your beloved country if EVERYONE of foreign descent was removed from it, or would you keep the foreign whites? What about yellows?

Who would you keep in your country? Would you kick out the blacks? Do you consider people of African origin to be a different race, an inferior race?

Would you kick out brown people of Asian origin? Do you consider Asians to be a different race, an inferior race?

What about Mediterranean people? French? Germans? Fat people, Short people, gypsies, cripples, drug users, alcoholics, homosexuals, Mormons, Catholics? What about all them, would you keep any of them?

Seriously WHO would you keep and WHY?

I mean, what EXACTLY is the problem you have with people that are NOT like the people in your cult, sorry, political party?

HOW would it benefit your country if you got rid of the people that you hate so much?

British born people stay, immigrants illegal or otherwise go, everyone else considered a guest or given money to go back.

Though i am not interested in their adgenda, i have my own, i swing to the right wing anyway, i enter it so i can learn.

I am not going to learn much by joining the main partys, i'd rather stick with the fringe party thanks, you're appreciated more.

And i don't get the impression of a cult, i'd hardly call leafleting every now and again with other members, or doing the odd news letter and door knocking a cult.
Most of the other members i know are ex conservatives, middle aged or retired, i'm the youngest in the group.

And no i do not consider any race inferior to other races, i simply believe in single culture single race.

In other words i'm a nationalist, i believe india is for indians, china is for chinese, france is for french.

I'm in principle anti-globalisation and anti capitalist, i want us to go green somewhat aswell so we do not over use natural resources, and clean up the enviroment, no more building on greenbelt, no more supermarket bullshit, get it back to the old days when people grew their own food, more farming, and local shops.
I want to see a return of tradition, no more political correctness, no more split culture bullshit.

Look at some of the altered cultures we have made, like your chavs, i mean they look like eminem or something, they have adopted afro-american gang and hiphop culture, dont bother to vote just smoke weed and drink, my brother is one of them he will jokingly go "whats up nigger?" when answering friends phone calls.

Although you could blame TV for that i suppose.

look....when you look t creativity, you see its fruits always involve the mixing of cultures.....get me?.....al this English for the anglais, Frecnh for the french is impossible. they we etc etc re already mixed anyhow. it is very racist that idea. it is like Germany for te 'pure' fukin geeeermans. and look whathappened....?

the only way to get to where you want to go is to exterminate about oh... 5 and a half billion people.

look....when you look t creativity, you see its fruits always involve the mixing of cultures.....get me?.....al this English for the anglais, Frecnh for the french is impossible. they we etc etc re already mixed anyhow. it is very racist that idea. it is like Germany for te 'pure' fukin geeeermans. and look whathappened....?

Yeah and look what happens at the extreme opposite with multiculturalism,
Birmingham is a good example where blacks are fighting asians to the point of a small war over some stupid rape rumour. White people were not involved because white people are a MINORITY there.

Or terrorists where muslim extremists blow up a bus.
One of those terrorist who done the bus over here is now getting a "martyr" burial in a mosque, like he is some big muslim fucking hero or something.

And creativity?
NO it's the THEFT of other cultures, there is nothing creative about it, you're just stealing something of someone else and soaking it up.

Why is it that an area becomes mostly black/asian and the whites move out?

Why is that? unless it is of natural order to go where other people of your race exist. Where other people speak english as their first language, that always helps.

It might sound like a racist idea, but it is not racist, it has it's own word "Nationalist", because it has no superior or hate beliefs.

Racism is all about hate and superiority.

Nationalism is different, it accepts 100% that all races and cultures are different, and that people naturally prefer their own ethnic group for company because of shared history, language and identity.

When people come to this country they wish do keep their own culture, we built mosques for example to allow them to do that, and teach the quran at schools and other bullshit.
They wish to continue socialising mostly with their own and speaking their own language.

Well i'm sorry, but you're in britain now, and we want to keep OUR culture too, you can't have your own, if you like your culture so much go home back to where it comes from.

Sorry but enough is enough now.

your not insane man just worrying deep in your mind about probable posabilities, with all the premanitions and nucular threats of this centuary no wonder people think the world will end soon.

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I think all white nationalists should move to a ghetto in Delhi and force those native fuckers out of there just so they know how it feels!

I wish I had some of that shit my avatar is fuckin' smokin'.

I think all white nationalists should move to a ghetto in Delhi and force those native fuckers out of there just so they know how it feels!

Er??, no you're alright, i think they have enough problems already.

Godless Evil...babe...you are con-fuuuused. seriously. you are not bein honest wid yerself. you are pretendin your 'nationalism' isn't 'racism'......you are doing Orwellian schpeak. you now callin someting one thing when it really is something else

abot cultural mixing. as bad as the black and white people ttroubles, there has been a real rich musical etc fruitful mix. of COURSE there has. even if yo just think of Elvis Presly....ow many stiff whitemn's hips did HE help to liberate--himself bing influenced by Black Culture...???

i know what you mean about leeching though. this is where a culture APPROPRIATES anoters mking out teir art is theres.......This was dont by Israelies appropriating Palestianian art----or so a Palestinian friend inormed me

so its not so eayas you make out. like all life it is complex. but you are living in nver never land mate. what you use alo your energy to want to happen can and will nver ever ever happen. it is anti natural. accept it......?

(To GODLESSEVIL, take your time reading this and before you decide im chatting shit about it try to see this with an open/clear mind with out the polutants from other sources in your mind)

So im guessing the nationalist if they get in to power, they would bring back home all their people from south africa, australia, america, gibiralta ect, ect, ect.

If i was to be honest with you godless i would confess living in a society with just one culture one type of people would possibly eliminate a lot of problems and it seems to me this is the dream that a lot of young nationalists buy into because its such an honest and honarable dream, and if i had to be honest with you i would say yeah i would love a place which everyone had same beliefs and culture it would make things so much easier for everyone.

But the reality of the matter is this is just a dream. This kind of thing has to either exist from the begining and be kept clean with the strictest manner (meaning double standards, you dont step on my land i dont step on yours) and ONLY in this form can it be kept purely for the good of the people.

The moment borders are crossed its too late. To try to go back to the old ways would cause too much problems worse than the original. I know you dont consider your selves as nazis but to solve this problem the only way i can see what your proposing to happen would be the way hitler done it, ONCE YOU LOOSE YOUR HUMANITY CAN WHATEVER YOUR DOING BE WORTH IT. If you do believe in god the answer to this should be NO, otherwise from your own point of views you're evil yourself.

What you gotta understand is people arent aint against you,everyone is just trying to survive, everyone has 1001 problems, and blaming others for aint solving them.

You say people come to this country and try to enforce their culture on you, they are not and saying otherwise is paranoia, you see with the first generation coming here their culture is all they've know for all their lives and the argument , "This country wont change for you" is revesed because of natural feelings to "i wont change for this country" because change is scary for people after a certain age.

The second generation know they cannot live like this as the culture they have been brought up in does not consider everything that this culture offers them so what i find is this generation has aspects of both the first generation and the society they find them selves in but i consider this generation to british.

The biggest problem for this generation is they are stuck between two cultures as when they go back to their country they are seen as foreners as they dont fully know their own culture because of the changes theyve made in themselves to fit in with English culture , if in England they are not accepted because they look different, then isnt it obvious they will form a culture they can fit in to, which it seems to me your mistaking for them trying to pervert your own culture. The way this generation lives is a mixture of both ie, what they believe they need to survive in both cultures.

What the government sould be doing is not change the diffences of people to they are all the same, but working on the similarities so people can see that they are the same.

At the end of the day whatever the cultures DONT WE ALL WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE???

Please let me know your views on what ive said here GODLESS, cause i know you want to do good but i belive the way nationalists try to solve the problem breeds hate which opens the path to evil.

Im open for discussion on any of my view as this is the only way Ill learn, so dont be shy in any way to criticise me.

Yes i spoke to some pakistani muslims who were born here, and they have a problem with being considered forieghn here and forieghn back home, but this is where some young people like that join up with islamic extremism.
Essentially many countrys are nationalist, i mean if you can't go back home without being considered a forieghner then your homeland is basically nationalist.
Otherwise shouldnt it welcome you back with open arms.

Now this is certainly the governments fault aswell, when they watch what we do in Iraq, i mean look at it now they are worse off now than under the dictator, now i'm not being funny but that must be pretty damn bad!
I mean imagine you see a nice girl in a bar and your tactics for chatting her up is holding a gun to her head and "go out with me or die" then at the table for dinner: order in some air strikes.
"whoa i'm in there"
That is pretty much how Americans treat Iraq.
The American government, they are the REAL fucking NAZI's.

But i'll admit Nationalism has its roots in racism, the best metaphor would be that racism is the dirt, and nationalism is the flowers that grow out of the dirt.
Essentially nationalism tries to throw away the racism in favour of a more diplomatic aproach.

It is not all a one way street, try to accept the possibility that nationalism can work WITHIN REASON so long as it is not abused by racists.
It does not have to be 100% strict in the extreme, it just has to be the basis of the government rather than the rule.
Ok so we stop immigration, right, well we need to now work on the enviroment, get rid of capitalism, pull our soldiers out of countrys they do not belong.
NO MORE offshoring, offshoring jobs to other countrys will be an economical disaster, just think about this:
Ford's right: say you have a worker in Britain who earns £30,000 a year, he loses his job because China has a worker who will do the same job for £2000 a year.

Now the british guy because skilled work is going elsewhere just finds a cleaning job for which he gets £15,000 a year, this means that the cash he recycles in the economy in this country is £15,000 SHORT, you think that normally he would have 30,000 but he is 15,000 down and that is not going back into our system paying taxes, buying goods etc.

We cannot keep losing our skilled labour to india and china, my uncle works for Fords over here and it is a fucking mess, Ford's is finnished in Britain, Henry must be turning in his grave.

And then when these countrys are as advanced as us, where does that fucking leave us, KNOWHERE thats what, 3rd world Britain. The minoritys might leave then, thats one way to solve it, but that is not the way we want it.

Way i see it, other countrys have to learn to build their civilisation on their own, even if it takes 100...no 1000 years, if they was meant to have it why have they not got it yet?

For instance if black people were never brought over as slaves, if we never interfered with them WHATSOEVER, would they not still be tribal or have their own ways common with their true homeland.

Our intervention swapped their spears for AK47's, for a tribal culture who is NOT READY.

I think we advanced too quickly also, i think we developed things we should have left alone or not discovered for several hundred years, and now we are passing these "things" onto country/race/cultures who are also not ready.

To be insane in a sane world, means you are insane.

To be insane in an insane world means you are sane.

First determine if the world is sane or insane...

then you may understand yourself.

If you are insane then stop worrying,........

If the world is insane.... well go find a group of sane people, and start worrying.

But you are totally correct... not long left because we are short of rights.... the end of the world is nigh

PS, if you find that group of sane people, please let me know.

Yes i spoke to some pakistani muslims who were born here, and they have a problem with being considered forieghn here and forieghn back home, but this is where some young people like that join up with islamic extremism.
Essentially many countrys are nationalist, i mean if you can't go back home without being considered a forieghner then your homeland is basically nationalist.
Otherwise shouldnt it welcome you back with open arms.

Read what im writing carefuly, im not saying the country doesnt accept us, the same way you see foriegners different, the fact that they've got a different culture from yours, the home land of someone sees them different because they've got a different culture from them, the combination of two cultures. This is just natural, its when this difference is seen to be bad is when problems begin.


Now this is certainly the governments fault aswell, when they watch what we do in Iraq, i mean look at it now they are worse off now than under the dictator, now i'm not being funny but that must be pretty damn bad!
I mean imagine you see a nice girl in a bar and your tactics for chatting her up is holding a gun to her head and "go out with me or die" then at the table for dinner: order in some air strikes.
"whoa i'm in there"
That is pretty much how Americans treat Iraq.
The American government, they are the REAL fucking NAZI's.

Thats an even longer matter to go into so for now all ill say to you on that is its just business.

But i'll admit Nationalism has its roots in racism, the best metaphor would be that racism is the dirt, and nationalism is the flowers that grow out of the dirt.
Essentially nationalism tries to throw away the racism in favour of a more diplomatic aproach.

Changing someones name doesnt make that person any different, at the end of the day drawring flowers on to a sword doesnt mean it wont cut as sharp.

It is not all a one way street, try to accept the possibility that nationalism can work WITHIN REASON so long as it is not abused by racists.

like you said the roots are there, its just a matter of time before it grows.


NO MORE offshoring, offshoring jobs to other countrys will be an economical disaster, just think about this:
Ford's right: say you have a worker in Britain who earns £30,000 a year, he loses his job because China has a worker who will do the same job for £2000 a year.

Now the british guy because skilled work is going elsewhere just finds a cleaning job for which he gets £15,000 a year, this means that the cash he recycles in the economy in this country is £15,000 SHORT, you think that normally he would have 30,000 but he is 15,000 down and that is not going back into our system paying taxes, buying goods etc.

We cannot keep losing our skilled labour to india and china, my uncle works for Fords over here and it is a fucking mess, Ford's is finnished in Britain, Henry must be turning in his grave.

You think its just the british that suffer from this offshoring?????

We're here in this country with you anything that effects you effects us just the same if not worse.

And then when these countrys are as advanced as us, where does that fucking leave us, KNOWHERE thats what, 3rd world Britain. The minoritys might leave then, thats one way to solve it, but that is not the way we want it.

Leave to where this is where our lives are, its like leaving your mother to go grow up with your grandmother OK theres a link there but it the mother that whent through that pain for you and soon as you see better life somewhere else you go there, this is a choice down to individuals doesnt matter where your from. We're all in the same boat here cant you see that???

If this country prospers we all prosper, but the problem is not the colour/race of the people. The problem is the people at the top. I really doupt its a paki/black/indi ect ect who is sending these jobs offshore, If those british at the top are more concerned about profits than their people, what right have you got for blaming other countries for accepting these jobs!?!?!?! Open your eyes and see where the true problem is!!!!!!

Way i see it, other countrys have to learn to build their civilisation on their own, even if it takes 100...no 1000 years, if they was meant to have it why have they not got it yet?

For instance if black people were never brought over as slaves, if we never interfered with them WHATSOEVER, would they not still be tribal or have their own ways common with their true homeland.

Our intervention swapped their spears for AK47's, for a tribal culture who is NOT READY.

I think we advanced too quickly also, i think we developed things we should have left alone or not discovered for several hundred years, and now we are passing these "things" onto country/race/cultures who are also not ready.

Where did you get all this bullshit from????

From this logic, then if it wernt for the chinese or egyptians (cant remember which) then the british would still be writing on stone.

If it wasnt for the chineese showing the west gunpowder then the west would still be fighting with bow and arrows.

By the way it was the russians who made the AK.47 you would still be shooting rifles if it wasnt for them.

Im getting stupid now but do you see that argument has no relevence, its just bullshit fed to the young influence thier thinking.

Let go of this fucked up way of thinking all cultures have helped each other develope. This is the way we should be!!!

As long as were fighting each other over which colour we like best, were missing all the beutiful things that can be created using these colours.

Try to think with a clear mind without the influences of hate in your head, its only a matter of time before these kind of thoughts grow and consume you.

Please come back to me with your own thoughts, not bullshit fed to you by others.

Personal choice and freedom of speech do not exist anymore, i'm surprised i have not been banned from this website, because what i say might be against what someone else believes i should say.

Fact is i never said i hated other races, you made that up in your own head from what i said by reading between the lines.

I would rather assasinate everyone in parliment than start executing or even bullying other races, so i'm fully aware politicians running the show today are the problem.

I joined an alternative party to the main three, you get involved you speak to people, there is other members of the group who you becomes friends with and have a drink with, and essentially we debate things no different to what we are doing now.

Even if i was to change my mind about the party, it is hard to just drop it like it never happened.

It's easy for you, you just sit at a keyboard typing shit to all sorts of people you have not met and do not know.
I, on the other hand debate and speak with other members, understand that if i was going to drop these friends and the party it will be on my own terms, not "because of some dude on the internet in another country told me so"

You do well to debate this subject with others who are into a different head space from you and your friends, at least you may get some food for thought from different perspectives and you may notice that very few IF ANY of the posters here actually agree with your ideology and that MUST say something to you. If you have ears, listen, if you have a mind, think!

Personal choice and freedom of speech do not exist anymore, i'm surprised i have not been banned from this website, because what i say might be against what someone else believes i should say.

Fact is i never said i hated other races, you made that up in your own head from what i said by reading between the lines.

I dont remember saying that you hated others, i might be wrong on this but what i should have told you that i think hate can grow out of the types of views your putting accross to me, and i could be wrong again but some of the things your saying are the exact thing ive heard from skin heads and as far as i know they do hate other races. You see im not woried about you thinking about what other people tell, im worried that you think that what these people tell you is all there is.

I would rather assasinate everyone in parliment than start executing or even bullying other races, so i'm fully aware politicians running the show today are the problem.

I joined an alternative party to the main three, you get involved you speak to people, there is other members of the group who you becomes friends with and have a drink with, and essentially we debate things no different to what we are doing now.

Even if i was to change my mind about the party, it is hard to just drop it like it never happened.

It's easy for you, you just sit at a keyboard typing shit to all sorts of people you have not met and do not know.
I, on the other hand debate and speak with other members, understand that if i was going to drop these friends and the party it will be on my own terms, not "because of some dude on the internet in another country told me so"

You seem to have misunderstood me somewhere along the way Im not telling you to do anything. I am just telling you my opinions on your opinions. Thats all this is, its your choice what you want to think of it. The only thing i would tell you to do dont let other people influence your way of thinking.

How do you think terrorist get young people to blow them selves up. When your young your vunrable to be draged along with other peoples ideas thinking this is the only answer. One advice i would give you for life there is always more than 1 answer to a question. Dont just go for the easiest and say it is THE ANSWER.

The reason im on this site is because what ever i may post there will always be someone to challenge and in doing so i learn what they know, it opens my eyes to other answers to questions ive answerd years ago but from a different view alowing me to explore other possibilities.

Why do you think im always telling you to open your eyes. Look at whats around you and come to your own conclusions, find your own answers. Every one sees everthing differently, i would rather see you looking through your own eyes and being racist to me, than looking through someone elses eyes and not.

Just because some one buys you a drink, food, car, house it doesnt autamaticly make them a nice person. If some one gives you something 99.99% of the time they will want something back.

At the end of the day your thoughts are your own all i say is dont let others cloud your mind.

By the way im not in another country.