I've heard so much about how aliens are cross breading with humans in labs so they can colonize eath. I'd like everyones opion.

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Until we can figure out the context of aliens, then any supposition of intent is based only on the symptoms (abductions, implants, examinations, probes, etc..). Just based on those symptoms alone, one could easily come up with several different possibilities (study, manipulation, expermentation, procreation, etc...).

We don't even know where these things come from. Not a planet name, nothing. What kind of society ? What kind of psychology ? Until we know who and what they represent, then the aliens are at best, what we see them to be. Some see them as angels, some as demons. Some as saviours, some as antagonists. The reason for all of these different viewpoints ? Because there is a big absence of fact, which gives lots of room for personal opinion to enter. All we have are the symptoms of the phenomena, and nothing that points to what they are all about. Heck, do they even use names for each individual ? We know dick all in this regard.

If we want to find their intent (short of them just coming out and telling us), we need to know the context of their existence. Do they even match our own psychology in some small sense ? Where do they come from ? What is the prime core of their motivations ? We as a society have a core motivation of money (surrounded by other significant factors), what are their reasons for doing ? Until they reveal to us 'what' they are, we are really hard pressed to figure out 'why' they are doing as they do.

So, if you ever have the chance to communicate with one, concentrate on trying to find out some background information on them, scary as that may be.

DOOOD,

Just for your info, I do reasearch, and most of the information I've come across
points to colonization. I'm not saying this is the only way it could be, and thats why I asked for differnt viewpoints, not critism.


Dude

That 'was' my viewpoint. If you are so quick to assume that it was a criticism (which it most certainly was not meant to be), then how do you expect to understand what an alien species is doing ? As far as colonization goes, you have every chance of being right as every other person that has thought of a theory based on the symptonms of the phenomena.

Since you saw my previous post as a criticism, I am curious as to what it is you think I am specifically criticising ? Did I say there was something wrong with your belief ? Did I say there was something contrary to what you think ? Please clarify.

Thinking about this a little more, and since you mentioned that you have done research, I have a few questions which I would like to ask. I am only interested in fact. So, if you are not one hundred percent sure of the answer, just skip it:

1) Where are they from specifically ? Planet ? Dimension ? Time ?

2) Do they have individual names for each entity ?

3) What language ? Only mental ? Partial voice ? Words ? Concepts ? Pictures ? Other ?

4) Any family units ? Breeding ?

5) Where they are from, does it take them long to get here ?

6) Do they have bases on any of the planets in our solar system ?

7) Is there a name for each of the species that visits Earth (other than descriptive terms like gray, reptilians, etc..) ?

8) What is their society like ?

9) Have they specifically communicated to us that they are either malevolant, or benevolent ?

10) Are they cloned by a higher or owner species ? Are they manufactured ?

11) Do they have Elvis ? If so, where ?

12) Do they have an economy ? If so, what is it based on ?

13) Do they have splintered nations like us ? Or do they have a one species order ? If either, what are the names or name ?

14) Do they have an army in a similar sense to ours ? If so, what is the name of that army ?

15) If you do not have 100 percent answers to any of the above, then what do you really know about the aliens ?

This is not meant as criticism, this is meant as perspective.

Doood,

I can answer most of those questions.

1. Bettlejuice ( two stars circling each other, once believed to be one star and then discovered to be two, however this was already known by Afericanbushmen who told a person who lived close by they were aliens. They also said that they traveled to the blue planet (this planet). Note: this accurred before any pictures of the earth were taken and the bushmen had never seen the ocean (from ground level).)

2.yes, communication would be very hard if not immpossible without individual names

3.they speak mentaly and virbaly although no exact name for ther language is known it is reportaly spoken with high pitched clicks

4.they do have family units and of coarse breed, no species can survive without breeding

5.they are from beetlejuice as I said before, and it doesen't take long to travel from there to here, considering the distance

6.no, why would they find us interesting if they allraedy had a base nearby

7.yes, but the only names I've been able to come across of are ones poeple have given them not the names the different speices have given themselves

8.much like ours surprizingly, seeing as how our different cultures evolved lightyears apart

9.not in the cases I've seen, but I'll let there actions judge that

10.no and no, I don't think a speices gets that advanced by being slaves

11.no

12.I have no certain idea, but I personaly think they do have a buisness economy(just an idea).

13.I don't think they have different nations on one world but are splintered by worlds and speices and are banded together by a sort of allience

14.I'm not certain, but I don't think they do however they can defend themselves and inflect damage

15.I don't think that I have to answer this question because I answered all the above questions.

Is that satisfactory?


DUDE WAS HERE

Oh boy, never mind.

actually it is

11. No, he left on his own free will..

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Dude...Stop making up answers.

What's scary here is that if I passed this little questionaire around to many different people who do 'research', I would get amazingly different answers from everyone. The only answers that would match, would be the ones that are not very specific, and are generally found in the UFO culture already.

I do believe that the phenomena is real, and the reports from people are true in some cases. However, if the government were 'researching' it, they would be doing so with great minded scientists and a logical goal. Belief would be cast aside to be replaced by 'fact'. Upon the collection of facts would be built understanding. And it wouldn't have the fantasy world of shades and self celebrating chants at the end of each informational speech. It would be more like spelling checks and fact verifications. You know, practical stuff.

It's too bad there were no 100 percent facts like I asked for. I did say I only wanted fact, otherwise skip the question.

1) Beetlejuice, huh ? I've heard stories that they 'weren't' from Beetlejuice, but other planets, times, dimensions. Beetlejuice is where you "think" they are from. You may be right, but it is 'nowhere near' being a fact.

2) I see no fact in this answer either. You say yes, then back it up with a concept limited by your own perceptions. Just because you can't think of a situation where communication does not require a name, doesn't mean it can't exist. For someone so apparently free of objective analysis, you sure are closed minded. Facts please, not personal 'opinion'.

3) How do you know it is not an ultra high 'sound' frequency so perfectly formed that it creates the listener to see and hear the vibrational equivalent in thought ? Sounds to me like your 'facts' are really just spoon fed to you in nice, small pieces, and you just repeat them as if they were objective. Facts please, not personal 'opinion'.

4) Oh, I guess because you say so, it must be true. All you do is spout that, yes, they do have family units, and then follow it up with yet again, a concept limited by your own perceptions. Don't tell me, your good friend Bob told you that the aliens have families, cause that's the only concept he is aware of in existence. What no families ???? Huh ??? How ???? No way !!!!! Never seen it, therefore it isn't real. Facts please, not personal 'opinion'.

5) I didn't ask for your 'approximation'. I asked for the fact of 'how long'. 2 days ? 5 days ? Some other time measurement that doesn't match our own ? Facts please, not personal 'opinion'

6) You call this a fact ? They don't have one based on interest ? Sounds more like complete conjecture. I get the impression that no matter what I asked, objective logic definitely would not stand in your way when answering. Facts please, not personal 'opinion'.

7) Ahhh, the first shred of logical thought. I'm thinking the reason why you didn't have an answer for this one is cause all the story spinners didn't stop to dream this one up, and send it down the line of 'factual' information (otherwise known as gossip) previous to my asking it. Face it, most or all of the information you have is either made up by yourself, or someone else, and you just recite it as objective truth. For a phenomena that is so 'completely' lacking in hard evidence, you have so many 'facts'. One would be hard pressed to see much objective truth in most of them. Too much chaff, very little wheat. That's what happens when you don't discriminate enough between fact and fabrication, you mix up what little facts there are, with a whole crap load of garbage. Too much garbage to really see what the truth is.

From your writing style, spelling mistakes, and general approach to logical thought, my impression is that you are in your teens, or 'very' early 20's, maybe 21. Either that, or you are much older, but just completely bereft of any skill at objective logical thinking (under developed). This is not an insult, just an assesment. Though, most of what I am saying in this entire message 'is' an insult to your current level of development if you are older than 21-22.

8) Surprise, surprise. Another similar concept to one that we already know. Heck, it makes explaining it to people 'so much more easier'. Other people report that they have a different culture. There is nothing factual about this at all. Hearsay. If you haven't been to their society, or you haven't been told directly by a real alien, then you stating it as a fact means absolutely zero.

9)The questions aren't opinion. As I stated at the beginning of the questions, if you are not 100 percent sure, skip the question. I didn't ask about reports you have seen. I asked " Have they specifically communicated to us that they are either malevolant, or benevolent ?". If you don't know for certain either way, then skip the question.

It appears to me that you are more geared towards making sure every question is answered (without fact), even in the face of being asked to provide facts you are 100 percent certain of.

10) Hmmm, here we have another fact that you appear to be basing on your own opinion. Just because you 'think' that races/species/whatever can't reach a level of development by being a sub/owned species, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Some would say that we are owned by God (he is after all the reported creator). Does that mean we can't get anywhere ? I asked for fact, not your personal opinion that I get get out of any number of 'Here is the REAL TRUTH books'.

11) What can we say. The king is dead. Question wasn't serious anyway. Was just a control question really.

12) Again, your opinion which I was not asking for. Again, at the start of the questions, I said that if you were not 100 percent sure of the answer, skip the question. You are more akin to meet your own goals (answer all the questions), then you are to find objective truth (providing solid facts) . No wonder you have so many 'facts'.

13) You don't think, huh ? Funny how you were supposed to skip the ones you weren't sure about, yet I have yet to see one skipped answer. No wonder the UFO phenomenon is still in large part a laughing stock. You want the whole thing to be taken seriously ? Then you need to be serious, otherwise it is just a step in the wrong direction. The only hope you story spinners have, is if the real aliens do stand up, and account the situation as it really is, not as to how it is dreamed/gossiped/mis-interpreted/diluted/etc...

14) You know, you should've skipped the question, as I'm sure it must be coming pretty clear to hopefully somebody (if not you). No fact, no answer. There's a chant for ya, sing it with me: "No fact, no answer. No fact, no answer. No fact, no answer". Notice how ya can get carried away with it ? "No fact, no answer. No fact, no answer." Now try rolling it off the tongue. That's it. Just like that. Heck, instead of celebrating your ignorance at the end of every message, you can instead give that chant. Mind you, it might give your messages substance, so be careful, try to dumb up your answers a little more to compensate.

15) You didn't have to answer them all. In fact, the statement was to the effect that if you couldn't answer more than 0 of the answers (the answers being 100 percent fact), then you would need to answer question 15. All you had to do is answer one or two with one hundred percent fact, and that would be all.

I fully expected that you would have had enough objective forsesight to see that none of those answers could be answered as 100 percent fact. But, unfortunately your belief takes more precedence, and thus you outright answered all of them according to what you believe, and not anything that could amount to fact. None of those answers were 100 percent fact, objectively. I could've given that test to an idiot and gotten back 'facts'. I could've given that to anybody, and they would say differently in one respect or another. However, if I had have given that question page to somebody of some sort of scientific practice (or other logic fact finding based profession), who had access to materials and information obtained by the government (crashed disks, possible communications, etc..), I 'WOULD' have gotten facts, and I'm sure some of the questions would have been skipped. And those facts would have been written as full fledged facts (background info, etc..), not as suppositions or repeated hearsay which 'anybody' can do.

Unfortuantely, I'm not going to be around for your reply, or replies from anyone else I might have offended. Some things are just not meant to be.

blah blah blah...

Okay. Since for this thread were assuming that aliens are here, it's imminent that they'll eventually be visiting openly. For reasons that are obvious, though they haven't done this yet. The question is when and for what reasons will they choose to make open contact. Notice that I haven't added how it might impact society? There's a reason for that. It's impact will be null, because they are waiting and watching, nudging us along until we meet their standards. If we cannot meet the stadard, one two things can be expected. Severe and tyrannical imposition, which we would be defenseless against, or a withdrawl(leading to the collapse of society and life). It's cosmic bullying, but it's for our own good. Don't worry about the goverment, big brother is already here. And no, I'm not on crack. Think of the big picture, the universe, what you are, what life is, it's fundamental principles.

Interesting questionaire there Doood :) If you don't mind, i will ( with the help of my dad) answer those that we know. He has been in contact with an alies for a long time. No abductions, no violent stuff. Just as friends.. I don't think you will believe me anyways, but i'll answer those that we know!

1 - Their planet is named Zebor, or Ceborg ( See-buhr) which is located in the Orion somewhere. It is very similiar to our planet, only they have a little less gravity there.

2 - Yes. They do have individual names for each entity. The being my dad got to know was named Kiwi.

3 - That particular race's language is hard to describe. My dad says it's problaby mental, but you could always understand what he was saying without asking. He knew beforehand so to speak.
4 - Yes. They do have families, but not like we do. When they are born, they are taken away by one person that will stay with you for the most part of your youth. This person isn't your mother, or someone related, but one that has been assigned by someone to make sure you do okay. This person will find out what your interests are, and guide you based on those til you are finished with the basic education ( 20-25 years approx) The relatives, brothers/sisters and so on are brought up in the same way. Everyone takes care of eachother, there are no small bands ( famillies, groups) rather the whole species that is a huge community working like a clockwork together.

5 - It doesn't take them very long. My dad wasn't given the time it took, but from what he learned, it problaby didn't take more than a few months.. with the help of an intricate system in space that sped up their vessels. Sort of like our highways, only much different in nature offcourse.

6 - Yes. This race does have a base, but not on earth. This race are the blond type, the Nordics if you will. They have a very small outpost on Europa which functions as a relay station for communications. There are however lots of other races ( 70+) out there interacting with earth via many bases in our solar system. Most of them have no interest in earth other than trading when we are ready.

7- Yes. There are names for each of the races out there, allthough my dad cant recall what they were called.

8- Their soceity is very complex, but everything works together like a fine tuned swiss watch. Everyone is helping everyone so that there are as little problems as possible. To answer a question beforehand so that you can understand their soceity, i have to give you the answer to their type of currency. Their currency is simply TIME. You work and do good stuff, you will get prolonged life. If you are a rotten apple, you'll just not live that long. Materialistic goods are supplied if you need them. Some will cost you some time, but their life expectancy is more than 10 times ours from when they are born. Think of it as a huge soceity of Red Cross people working together all the time to do their best. You help someone, you'll get help back..

9- Unknown on a planetary scale. My dad was told that they were here now to speed up our awereness so that we could complete the final transformation as a whole specie.

10 - Manufactured. Hmm. Well they select whos fit to bring babies into the world. How they do that is still unknown ( artificial, or physical)

11 - he he. Nope. Elvis is indeed dead.

12 - Answered earlier - Time
13 - One world nation, but different regions offcourse. Zeborians Ceeborgians.. something like that. I will ask again later.
14 - They do have an army, a pretty huge one too, but it's not an attack army, more like a combined scientific exploration unit and simple defense vessel combo. They haven't named their army. It's like the only place they are going to work for later in life, either on their own planet, or joining exploration units in space. They can volunteer for a specific place if they want to.

15 - Yes. What do we know? Not much.. Almost anything. But since the truth is subjective to ones beliefs, how do you expect anyone to find the truth? Do you believe me when i tell you this? Or have you allready made up your mind? The truth is subjective, and it will always be that.. Unless..
"The truth is not subjective to an open mind..."-H-kon

It's just your job to sort through the garbage.

Okay doood,

Since your such a guru on the paranormal why
don't you tell us all how it realy is, answer your own questions. And the raeson I gave my personal opion on so many questions is because I unlike you ( who thinks there are only right and wrong answers in the world ) know for a fact that the subject of the paranormal is up for discosion, not for critism.

Dude

Let's just face it. Debating these things are really worthless since there are some that believe, and some that don't.

Just gonna ask you a question. How do you know Jesus existed? Same thing there. You have no evidence of that whatsoever.

Actually...It is historical fact that Jesus of Nazareth existed. He is mentioned numerous times by roman and hebrew court records, as well as several prominent jewish historians. The Gospels are also seen as more or less an account of his life and teachings.

Although it will never be proven if Jesus was divine, a prophet, or the son of god, or just a crazy cult leader, his existence as a teacher that pissed the ancient Jews off is as factual as it gets.

Corp. Hudson,

May I assume that you've seen these court records yourself? Or even an English translation of said records? Please provide me with some sources so I can check out these records for myself - I'm quite intrigued.

I have also wondered about the two thieves who were crucified with Jesus - as far as I am aware, stealing has never been a capital offense. Do these court records also mention thieves being sentenced to die on the cross?

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Actually a friend of mine has the book which I could quote sources out of, but it is an accepted fact. Do you think ppl just made him up? Most biblical characters existed, in one context or another.

I would be more then glad to provide you with sources, when I get my books back. Check with Lori or Vinnie on this board, they may have some sources to prove it to you.

Curiosity killed the cat.

Dude,

I am no guru on paranormal, not even close. My answers to the questionaire ? My answer to 1 through 14 (skipping question 11) is: I don't know. There truly is no hard evidence to answer any of those. If there really was hard evidence, you would give it to me, and I would have no doubt of your claims. 'That' is true hard evidence, when it leaves very little doubt if observed under the light of objective examination (not debunking, but true unbiased examination). I really wish there were more hard evidence available, but there is not.

In answer to 15 :

1) The sheer large number of similar reports concerning UFO sightings is in itself evidence of visitation.
2) The sheer number of similar reports on abductions is evidence of abduction.

But that's all we really know. The presented evidence of 1 and 2 is weak in the respect of verification, but strong in similarities among cases and number of cases. For number 1 it is flying disks, triangles, cigars, high speed maneuvering, bright lights, and other commonly reported aspects, etc... For number 2 it is big black eyes, greys, implants, probes, examinations, ova, sperm, paralysis, etc... The similarities between cases, and the number of reports is the evidence. How is it evidence ? Every single report would have to be a lie/misidentification for there to be no UFOs. That's ok if you only have a couple hundred reports, but as the number grows in the thousands, and eventually in the millions, the odds of 'ALL' of them being wrong grows very small. Now, if there were only 1 or 2 reported cases for both 1 and 2, then there really is no evidence. At 1 or 2 reports total, it is only a joke to be laughed at. The sheer number of reports, combined with the similarities between reports is what has given ufo's existence a foothold. Beyond number 1 and 2, there is not enough people all saying Beetlejuice as the planet of origin for it to be anywhere close to be being accepted as fact. Not to say that popular opinion is the decider of fact, but in the case of no solid irrefutable proofs to back up your claims, you can only work with what you have. In the case of Beetlejuice, there is not much to work with in establishing any amount of credibiliy. No physical proof. Now, if the same number of people who reported being abducted around the world, also stated for the most part that the aliens are from Beetlejuice, then you may be on to something.

As far as discussion and criticism go, I started off in this thread believing that I was not giving criticism, but seeing how things developed from there, I then decided to give criticism. I can agree that paranormal is good for discussion, heck, it is a major foundation in its existence. But when you say that paranormal is not open for criticism, then you become an enemy of what you defend without even knowing it. Is the paranormal so un-developed that it cannot stand up and be counted in the light of criticism ? Do its foundations tremble in fear when a ruler is brought to measure what might be ? Do paranormal's supporters fear that their cherished truth might not be the truth, even if it is proven beyond all doubt ? When you say that it is not open for criticism, you essentially prevent the paranormal from growing and becoming more in the light of investigation (and I mean unbiased objective investigation, not debunking). Instead you would relegate it to discussion only, which can only exist between true believers (subscribers). Thus, protecting the sanctity of what may be un-pure due to the lack of objective analysis. For if paranormal were to be strong, its strength must be earned hard. Tearing away untruths, while keeping solidifed facts. If none of it is to be measured and counted, then its future continues to be as a house of cards. Makes for good story telling, but that's about it.


Hkon,

How can I make up my mind if there is not enough evidence ? For UFOS and abductions, I feel that there is enough evidence as outlined above, to support the conclusion that they exist. However, beyond that it is pretty much open, to which I have not ascribed specific values. I'd be more than happy to fill those values in if the evidence came along to support it, but it really has not.

"Perception is both the lock, and the key" - Doood

And the truth shall set them free.

Well, that's more than enough blah blah for now

Okay Doood. You may claim that people aged 18 to 21 are lacking Logic, but that statement is in it’s self illogical. For example, I am 20 and my logic/intelligence astounds a lot of people that are older than me. I know just as many people, my age, that posses a relatively similar level of logic and understanding. To generalise as you have about Dude, is "technically" flawed. Also, to assume that an individual cannot spell by reading messages that have been input into a computer is an example of your illogic! It is all to easy for me to miss hit a key and make it appear as if I do not know how to spell a particular word...is it not?

However I fully understand, from Dude's response to your questions, that you indeed are correct. There can be no certain answer to any question in your questionnaire with our present day lack of scientific knowledge on this phenomenon - it is all purely conjecture - as you said.

My personal belief (note, I said belief) is that it is most likely that indeed the Earth is being visited. I believe (based on our latest understanding on what makes life arise and evolve) that without a natural curiosity, no life form will develop to have consciousness, as they would not be interested in the world around them. So it's quite possible that any advanced species that can transcend the fabric of the universe in a speedy manner, will be curious enough to want to visit our aggressive and dangerous race.

I believe that with time our race will (provided we don't destroy ourselves in the mean time) create ways to travel great distanced in no time at all. With our current understanding of the infinite place we call the universe, it has be suggested that we may utilise one of the 11, possible not yet proven for sure, dimensions that almost certainly exist and to exit 4D space-time to travel to another location. I might add that SPACE-TIME is also a dwindling concept of the structure of reality. Strong and well understood theories point to 11 dimensions of reality. Not 3 of space, 1 of time, but 11 dimensions (membranes as they are called scientifically) that make up what we perceive as space and time! It's just that the other dimensions are so small that they are not observable with the eye, nor our best particle accelerators (not at lest until 2005, when scientist will have completed a new particle accelerator at CERN which will have enough energy to probe one of the larger of the other dimensions)! Anyway as I have wavered some what from the point I was making, what I am trying to say is space travel at high speeds is not impossible and it is more than likely that we are being visited by may races. There are other ways in which a space vehicle might transcend the universe instantly, but quantum physics, I find, is always hard to explain.

I'll finish by saying. We should not make any conclusions until we have HARD evidence. And it's unlikely will see any 'little green men' (excuse the expression) until we, as a race, can stop fighting amounts ourselves and being prejudice toward those that are different to ourselves. Then perhaps the outsiders will risk first contact.

P.S. No insult intended and there may be a few typing errors!!

[This message has been edited by Borehamg (edited December 10, 1999).]

Exactly my thoughts, that was a lot of blah and then some blah and then even more blah.


Dude

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Dude,

But at least I'm not going to get sensitive about the criticism. I didn't know Satan was so sensitive.


Borehamg,

This was not an open letter about 18-21 year olds and development. That would be very short sighted of me. I was just talking about what is in this thread. If a 15 year old can perceive far more than I, so be it. I would rather learn from a 15 year old that can perceive far more than me, than from a 45 year old that thinks they know it all (when that aspect could be questionable).

Typing errors that occur is not something that is bad. As long as the concept is passed in its best form, that is fine. As long as one can understand what a person is really saying, spelling is completely unimportant. In this case, I was viewing it in conjunction with other aspects to come to a conclusion. Basically as evidence, not damnation of the spelling itself.

In regards to the rest of your message, I couldn't disagree, even if I wanted to. Good stuff.

Satan rocks,

I was critising YOU not being sensitive about
your pathedic critism. YOU ARE AS STUPID AND CRAZY AS A GUY IN AN ALL WOMENS PRISION.
Hey is that because your the one steeling my pills?


Dude

(this is critism not sensitivity, learn the difference)

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Dude,

>>(this is critism not sensitivity, learn the difference)

Huh ? I thought I made it quite clear that I wasn't bothered by your blah blah criticism. Did you even read ? You are the one that once mentioned that you did not ask for criticism (your sensitivity), and once that paranormal was not open to criticism (or more likely, your iteration of the paranormal). What difference is it that I'm supposed to learn ? Now you are resorting to all caps. Take a pill, it might help your sensitivity problem.

Doood, Doood, Doood,

First of all what is iteration??? Second, no I didn't read your domb post, why should I bother to read whatever peice of crud you type up??? Third, yeh I'm taking pills right now. And fourth, what's with all the questions, don't you know anything for yourself???

Doood-1 Dude-3

Dude wins, you lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Actually Dude, Doood is winning. You are making answers up and refusing to accept other viewpoints, so Doood wins by default.

BTW: Dude, change you damn handle. How unoriginal is Dude? Shows something about you...Doood is okay as a handle, cause he actually took the effort to modify it somewhat. You didnt even do that.

What do you meen by how I don't accept anybody elses viewpoints, Doood doesn't even have a viewpoint to accept(I'm not making this up he practicaly said so himself).

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You are making answers up

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Gosh and I thought I was the one not excepting other peoples viewpoints.
Hey, I got an idea, if I'm making up answers why don't you tell me and everybody else how things realy are. I've got soooooooooo much confidence in your ablities to answer everything correctly.

HA, HA, HA, HA, that's the sound of me laughing at you, Dude
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[This message has been edited by Dude (edited December 11, 1999).]

Llama (aka 'Dude', Satan, whatever other leap of imagination you might have),

Now you're just being a waste of time. I asked for 'facts' in my little questionaire. You did not provide me with facts as I specifically asked you to, so yes, I damn well am not taking your viewpoints on those questions. Was I not clear enough ? Do you expect me to accept your viewpoints, when what I was really asking for was facts, not viewpoints ? I did say facts. I did not say viewpoints. Go read again. One moment you say you don't read my 'crud', the next minute you're quoting what I said. Llama.

As to my viewpoint, it was clearly stated in my first message, to which you mistook it for criticism. My further viewpoint was that you don't have hard facts. Do you want me to start spelling it all out for you now ? Sheesh !

Now you're just twisting the facts of this thread. Boring..... Snore..... What a waste of time. See ya later, Llama.

[This message has been edited by Doood (edited December 11, 1999).]

Oh me, oh my, oh why are you so stupid.(He He) I was quoting Corp. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

(this quot is from you)
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Boring.....Snore.....

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Well well, I must give you some credit, you sure do know how to sum up your OWN writing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(gasp)HEHEHEHEHEHEEEEE,
once again I laugh at you, Dude



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I think these are the answers you were looking for:
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DO I GET A COOKIE? NO? WHERE'S MY COOKIE DAMNIT!

I am not trying to start a fight here, but the fact is you dont know all this stuff. No one knows it, no one has hard, irrefutable evidence to even prove intelligent life exists, much less abducts hicks and butt rapes them.

Although I'm sure that none of this information will help, based on my experience, there are a couple of things that I can tell you about aliens...

First, they are not as smart as we give them credit for being. When I was five years old, they made my bed when they brought me back to my room... That is something which I was not able to do adequately at that age and it tipped my mom off that someone (something) else had been there.

Second, they act subversively. They instructed me to lie to my mother about my experience with them.

Third, they do speak telepathically.

Fourth, the transporter beings are smaller in stature than the examiners.

Fifth, the examiners do wear lab coats!

Sixth, they already know how to travel very quickly in another unobservable dimension. Therefore, it does exist. I went from my bed to the inside of the craft in what seemed like no time at all and did not see anything along the way. The same thing happened when they brought me back to my bedroom.

Truestory,
it would be absolutely fascinating if you told us about your abduction experiences with a little bit more detail. Like, what did they do to you, how did you feel, why were you chosen, how many times, what about other members of your family/friends/local community, did you conversate, have they taught you anything, etc?
I'm fascinated, because this (abductions/aliens), only seems to occur in America.

Jmitch,

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Hello tab'

My apologies in advance... It really wasn't that fascinating from my perspective and, in actuality, most people are disappointed because I cannot provide answers to some of their questions. This is due, in most part, to the fact that aliens are not very forth-coming with the truth to begin with and the fact that I was only five years old... not very capable of forming very meaningful questions if you get my drift.

I have posted about this expeerience a number of times over the past few months. I will do a search and either re-post here or point you in the right direction.

In the meantime, I'll try to answer some of your questions.

What did they do to me? They put me on an examining table and performed some type of physical exam.

How did I feel? I was terrified, kicking and screaming... A number of them had to hold me down... I just wanted to go back home... I calmed down once they assured me that they were going to bring me back home soon.

Why was I chosen? I don't have a clue other than the fact that I was napping in a top bunk next to an open window... We lived on the fifth floor. Perhaps I was just easy pickin's for them???

How many times? Just that once.

What about other members of my family/friends/local community? Noone else in my family that I know of. There was a boy from the neighborhood in the craft at the same time I was. He looked drained and terrified too. I didn't know him very well and we never spoke about it.

Did we conversate? Yes, minimally. I described the brief conversation in the examining room and they also instructed me not to tell my mother about my experience.

Have they taught me anything? Well, since that time, I've had the knowledge that aliens do, in fact, exist. I can also deduce that they are studying us for some unknown reason.

I was unaware that abductions only seem to happen in America??? Don't be surprised... In truth, I don't know much about the subject other than that of my first-hand experience.

Hope this helps, at least a little.

Dude,

Your a sad, lonely, sexually frustrated, breast implant that should have been aborted at birth. I bet your an American??

I hope you choke on your pills!

It would appear that Doood was/is correct about you.

Tablariddim, Borehang

The abducution phenomena, what ever it may be, is by no means exclusive to the USA. Although the majority of cases reported have come from there.

Hi, Truestory,
I'm just wondering how clear your recollection must be, I mean you were only Five when it happened. Can you be absolutely positive that you were whisked away by aliens? remember, if you were teletransported, you would have had to have undergone total molecular restructuring (presumably),within a few seconds. Would such an incredible experience as this, not have produced some kind of lasting damage or change (physical or mental), that would have been evident to anybody around you at the time, or even now?
Could you be sure that you weren't whisked away to a local clinic or hospital by a member of your family/friend/neighbour because you were sick? a fever perhaps or some kind of medical emergency. Maybe there was a virus going around and that's why you remember seeing a young neighbour of yours.
I think it's all too easy to confuse events that occured at such a tender age. I'm not saying you're wrong, just asking if you've seriously attempted to eliminate all other possibilities for your alien adventure.

American man I am! I'm a country hick and proud of it!

As for braest implants, what's your obsesion with them? Personaly, I think you want a pair, maybe two pairs huh.

And for abortions, that's where your five unborn siblings went cuase your dad refused to wear condoms. he he ha ha ho ho

So as you brits who want tits put it, suck ballocks


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Well I don't see what all the bickering start out as to be..... I've had some experiences that might have been experimentation with my body on one part...
LOL I dont want to start with the repeating numbering up to this extent....
I want to first point out that with my experience... I dreamt of someone injecting me 3 times something in me and ever since then... my upper arms looked a little scaly and mushy....

Hi tab'

I had to laugh when I read your "fever" suggestion above... It reminded me of my mother... and I mean that in a nice way:

I found my original post in this forum from September 14, 1999... perhaps it will help (and you will see what I mean about you and my mother):

I was taken by "little men," out of my bed in the Bronx, through an open fifth-story window which was next to the top bunk in which I was napping. When I arrived in the "craft," I saw a boy from my neighborhood who looked very scared. The inside of the room which I was in was cylindrical in shape and the walls were made of what appeared to be dull, metal-colored, cushiony cells (allowing for the flexibility needed to form the rounded walls). Yes, I found myself on an examining table. I remember being terrified and screaming and crying. Some of the "little men" (standing in front of the table) in the examining room, who were not as little as the ones who took me from my bed, were standing back because I was thrashing about, trying to get free. A couple of the larger "little men" were holding me down from behind. One also had a hold of my right arm and leg. I calmed down once I knew that they were going to return me to my home. (Yes, they were able to communicate with me without moving their mouth areas). When they brought me back to my bedroom, they were talking with me, instructing me about what not to say (little did they know that I had already learned that lying to my mother would be a sin). They made my bed which, at age five, I was too young to do adequately (especially the top bunk). My mother entered my bedroom all of a sudden, asking me who I was talking with. You should have seen the look on her face when she saw the perfecly made bed! "Who are you talking to? and WHO made your bed?!" When I told her it was the "little men" she asked "What little men?" I turned to point to them and, of course, they were gone. My mom felt my head and said, "Well it's cool, but you must have had a fever!" At that age, I did not understand why she could not accept what I was saying but I could see that Mom was somewhat scared and concerned. Mom was also curious, though, and continued to ask me questions about the experience throughout the next couple of days. I gave her details, including the name of the neighborhood boy who I saw in the ship's examining room (He had a very unusual last name, pronounced "hoozar" so my Mom thought I made it up). I remember Mom telling her friend, who came to visit the next day, that I must have had a fever and that I must have been hallucinating. When Mom was telling the family about my "fever" and "hallucinnation" at dinner the following evening, she was joking around: "Hoozar?! - What's a hoozar?!" Noone was laughing, though. My brother, who was six, informed my Mom that "Hoozar" was a boy in his class. We never spoke about the abduction again.

To answer your questions... Yes, I am absolutely certain that it happened. Other than the fact that it was extremely quick and unnoticeable, I have no idea about the physics involved in the transport. Noone remarked about any changes, at least not that I'm aware of. I look normal and, thank God, I am healthy, I have what is considered above average intelligence, I'm fairly athletic, have normal hearing, normal vision, normal reflexes, a healthy low blood pressure, no diseases, no history of mental illness... As "different" as they might appear to some, I am also very comfortable with all of my life experiences.



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Truestory,
definitely one for the x files then!

I too believe I was abducted by aliens. I have real reculection of the event, but none of anything else seems to add up. I know what everyones thinking, "Dude", the ass is just making up another insane post, but I'm not.
This is what happened:
1st. At age ten my dad and I were skywhatching and we saw something like a jet that glowed and had a piolit who took too many drugs.
2nd.The rest of the night I felt like I was being watched and felt realy nervous when my mom told me that I had to go to bed in thirty minuites.
3rd. This is important: my bedroom was the only one with a window facing east(that's why nobody else in the house saw a light).
Anyhow, late that night I woke up with me head and arms over the side of my bed and with one of my feet on the windowsael, and I tourned around over my shoulder to see a blinding light. I got realy shanked up and had a way tough time sleeping.
4th. After that I kept seeing these giant eyes when I went to sleep or even when I closed my eyes. For about a year I couldn't breathe through my left nostrile, but this cleared up some after another similar visit , and I had a realy bad nosebleed that second night.


I could go on and on into details, but can't now,bye

Dude

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You know, my mother went through a period of really bad nose-bleeds. When she sought medical attention, the doctor discovered a hole in one of her nostrils. He had no idea what caused it but he sealed the hole through a burning process and her nosebleeds stopped after that.

Dude, that sounds like a pretty classic case of abduction. I'm interested though, did you know of abduction beforehand and perhaps have any fears of it? I know that I do, it has been something that has plagued my dreams since I was little and sometimes leaks into what seems real. I myself though, have had suspicious things happen that aren't any real indicator of anything happening, but your experience sounds like something may have happened.

I too was abducted by ALIENS while driving in my car on a deserted road at night.I had
been drinking with some friends and after
we closed the bar.I said goodnight and headed for home.I was about 10 miles outside
town,When I saw a blinding light in the sky.The next thing I remember was waking up in my car on the side of the road.I thought nothing of it.I started my car and went home.Everythng was fine until I started having these dreams with bright flashes of lights in them and me floating up into the sky.Always the same dream over and over again.I became concerned because I was loosing sleep so I went to a friend who was a psychologist and when I told about the dreams he wasn't too worried but when I told him about the bright light and waking up the next day by the side of the road.He started to take interest.He asked if he could use hypnosis to delve a little deeper.I figured why not, maybe this will help.So he takes me under and he brings me back to the night when me and my friends closed the bar and I drove home alone. Only it seems the bright light in the sky is not the end of the story.The rest of the story goes something like this.I'M driving along I see this blinding light and suddenly my car stalls and I can't get it started.So rather than leave it there, I push it off the road.I start on the 4 mile walk to my house when,I see what looks like headlamps coming up behind.I thought to myself maybe I can get a ride,but its not a car its not even a truck and as it gets closer it lifts off the ground.Now there's a 60 ft disk hovering over my head and I'm froze its like I'm paralyzed or something. The disk above me emits a kind of whirring noise and two searchlights come on and focus on me.I feel weightless as a matter of fact I'm leaving the ground,then when I'm close to the craft a door opens and I'm sucked inside.At first,I'm in a little room just big enough for two of me.A door opens and I hear a voice only its not sound its more like a voice in my head,the voice of a young woman saying'Come Bode,pleasure awaits you'.I'm intrigued, after all I don't hear things like this everyday.So I walk through the door and on the other side is 20x20 room with what appears to be a bed in the middle of it and at the other end of the room is a beaded curtain.I move into the room not knowing what to expect. After all, these seem to be some major players and what they think of as pleasure might be picking me apart and eating me.I make it to the bottom of the bed .I see activity behind the curtain. I see the shape of what looks like naked women through the beads of the curtain and I hear another woman's voice in my head only this time it sounds like it has an accent Swedish or something and she says 'Lay down, Bode.We will be right with you'.At this point, I was without will. It was as if I was their slave I had to get up on the bed and sure enough the minute I did 4 of the most beautiful blondes I have ever seen came out from behind the beaded curtain.Alot of things happened after that, so many things that I and the psychologist are still trying to hash them out but by the time those aliens were through with me I was totally drained, to say the least. When they finally let me go 4 hours later I was so spent I got in my car and napped out.One last thing though, as I was being set down next to my car I heard the Swedish blondes voice again and she said 'We will meet again,Bode. You can expect it.' So it's left me wondering, you know, When can I expect it ?


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Maybe he should be called Boob.

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Is there any way I can get abducted by his aliens? :)


On another note maybe I should get hypnotized. Be nice to know what realy happened that night. Heck, maybe I seduced by Swedish braods at age ten. :D

Dude

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Answers to your questions are at www.zetatalk.com. (http://www.zetatalk.com.) You are not the first to ask these kinds of things, and some know answers.

Wow, what a lively debate. I don't want to get into this duel between the two dudes or dooods, but the first Dude did bring up an interesting fact; the African tribe. The tribe in question is the Dogon tribe of Mali, West Africa. The Dogon have a renewal ceremony that they perform which is based on the movements of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. The Dogon's astronomical knowledge in general (which they claim was given to them by an alien or aliens from that twin star group) is quite impressive for a "primitive" tribe.

We all should meet in a chat room :)

M-Cyber Digital enity

I agree m-cyber! That would be great.

I just made a little connection which probably isn't that original, but has anyone noticed the correlation between the vast majority of the percentage of world UFO incidents/abductions which have occurred in the USA? I believe that there maybe a sociological angle to the whole UFO phenomena. The dominance of the media in every aspect of life, particularly in the USA, made be lending to this phenomena a large proportion of this its momentum. Aliens are everywhere on TV, Star Trek, Battlestar Gallactica (I know, I know) et al. What I am saying is that all through the ages we have feared witches, devils, ghosts all out of insecurities...the unknown. Now in our all technological advancement we have turned to aliens, superior technologically...seeking to hybridise and tinker with us, save our environment and future. See the connection? They all share a common source, insecurity. Surely we must take a step back from all these 'Jerry Springer'-like abduction cases and take a scientific look at this phenomena. I believe Doood is on the right track...asking for factual answers, extracting credible data from personal, perhaps in even psychological background noise. Yet the main problem is a lack of anything factual. Are aliens utilising Romulan-like cloaking devices? masking their neutrino emissions (a tough job for anyone)? I doubt it. This is not to say that I am a sceptic of ET existence, but I am open to whatever can be scientifically verified, as science, despite all the paranoia and insecurity, is the only viable medium with which we can analyse any subject matter.

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**Sorry about the Star Trek fanatical cliches--- the Borg, don't you just love them**

Dido, mainstream Science is in a "Catch 22" situation. They won't investigate anything unless they have "credible evidence" that the object or phenomenon to be studied does indeed exist. How does one get such "credible evidence?"; yes, through the investigative efforts of mainstream science, which won't investigate anything unless there is "credible evidence" and so on and so on and so on...(Don't want to come across sounding rude, just have a thing about mainstream science's investigative approach)

So..okay, that means we're left to stories such as...."ooohh and as well as the tiny ship jumping through hoops, a little with a transparent head came out took a shot at my dog, Betsie, reducing her to white powder on the floor messing up my genuine Indian mat on front of my fire-place, all in my living room!!". I'm trying not to be sarcastic, but what I am saying is, yeah there is room for speculation, but what there isn't room for is this sensationalist shit which has formed mindset and culture which will only mitigate and spur future scepticism when ETs do arrive, and I am confident that it will happen, maybe not tomorrow but someday. Let's let mainstream science take over from the fiction, because I am curious, what do you believe is the value of evidence which is not 'credible'? Is that not a contradiction in terms in the context of having a real, factual phenomena such as ETs before us to view, analyse and understand? When the evidence is credible then I believe science will have an answer eventually. It may not be instant but I am sure it will happen. Even if you argue that current 'mainstream' science is unable or blind to this 'credible' but not apparent evidence, we must be realistic and look to the past. Science has taken u-turns, Quantum physics and the Big Bang theory to name two. My point is that if the evidence is 'credible' enough then I believe science will progress and humanity likewise. Then it may no longer be a catch-22 situation.

Dido, You do bring up very good points. This is some info. that I put up on another bulletin board awhile back. I'm condensing it for this one. In brief: Back when "mainstream science" did look and look hard into the UFO phenomenon, they came up with some startling conclusions. I'm referring to the original USAF UFO investigations from the late 1940's early 1950's. Project Sign was the USAF first "Official" look at the UFO phenomenon beginning on Jan. 2nd,'48. It studied 243 cases whereupon the "Air Technical Intelligence Center" released its findings in a report entitled "An Estimate of the Situation." This report concluded by saying that "Flying saucers are probably real extraterrestrial spacecraft." The USAF Chief of Staff at that time was Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg who promptly rejected the report demanding more "Earthly explanations." Project Sign was revamped into Project Grudge, which studied 244 cases before evolving into the famous Project Blue Book in 1952. Project Blue Book studied 12,618 cases and true to Gen. Vandenberg's request, found "Earthly explanations" for everything, but 701 cases which remained unidentified, but could have been given "Earthly explanations" had more relevant or irrelevant data been thrown in. With such "findings," Project Blue Book was deemed no longer necessary and folded up on Dec. 17th, '69. The civilian scientist who worked for the USAF's Project Blue Book as a consultant was Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He admitted years after Blue Book shut down that it was all just a "publicity campaign to placate the public," there wasn't any real scientific work being done that any good public relations man couldn't do. This is why I have a thing about "mainstream science." Yes, I do believe that it was used originally back in 1948 by the USAF to try and get to the bottom of the "flying saucer" problem (which was something many experienced USAF pilots were reporting as well as your lady with the powdered doggie types)and when its conclusions were considered too controversial for the general public; the "real investigations" went into "deep cover" while these public relations stunts were put before the public with "Science" on the sidelines clapping with their all knowing hands.

Peter,

Very interesting. I'm not a huge UFO-buff, but I am an optimist and I would look forward to some 'hard' evidence which I believe is out there. The plethora of documentaries spanning the 'What if' of the arrival of ETs and the immensity of its presence in everyday life, if only fictional or speculatory, would point towards a change in the world's mindset towards these 'flying saucers'. Do you believe that this UFO-explosion could possibly be a transitional process in a sociological sense engineered by governments on a global scale? It seems so realistic and plausible. On one-hand we are bombarded with Star Trek and Independence Day, and on the other the governments are point-blankly denying all knowledge and repudiating the mere thought of any validity in presence of ETs. Quite a clever process when you think about it. Expanding and inspiring our imaginations on a global scale yet playing on our insecurities and curiosity. Drawing us in, yet seemingly turning us back. When analysed in this way it would seem that it is a clever psychological and sociological plot, playing and manipulating with our psyche. What is your thinking on this?

Any other valid and 'credible' information which could 'enlighten me'.

-- Sorry about the Buck Rodgers quote!!

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**Sorry about the Star Trek fanatical cliches--- the Borg, don't you just love them**

Well, as far as the democratic governments of the world go, I don't believe that they have too much control over what their entertainment industries produce. Here in the States during the 1950's "flying saucer" flap, the Gov. seemed to want to downplay the phenomenon while Hollywood kept releasing films like "Invaders from Mars," which is hardly the type of film to placate the public with. The same happens today as you've pointed out with films like "Independence Day" being released whilst the Gov. says there's nothing to worry about. I don't believe it's psychological manipulation or conditioning. (If it is it's propaganda for sure, heck we never lose) As for "credible evidence," I believe that the US Gov. has had it for years. I've heard that really good gun camera as well as surveillance camera footage has existed for years, taken by USAF pilots and crew. I can go on about alleged crashes, but that's a lot of typing indeed. Suffice it to say that it only takes one credible piece of evidence to make the phenomenon bona fide (not every aspect of it, but the larger picture)and that kind of evidence has been classified and will remain so for God knows how long.

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If the government did make a deal with the Grays involving technology, that could be why the Grays do most of their abducting in the U.S. They have an agreement with our Nation.

I've often wondered why "Grays" have been reported so often in the States, while other countries tend to report "Nordics" in Europe for example and "Reptilians" in Southern Hemisphere countries, etc. If "aliens" do exist and are visiting Earth, surely they would be aware of each others presence here. One can almost speculate that they might have come to some type of an agreement amongst themselves as to avoid conflict between them, such as the "Nordics" can have their sphere of influence over the Nordic races, the "Grays" over the States, the "Reptilians" over the Southern Hemisphere, etc. It makes for interesting speculation as to what each "alien species" motives and intentions might be.

I shall attempt a response.
1. There have been reports of Nordics in the States as well...my wife met one at a military hospital.
2.Reptilians have been reported in Dulce,N.M. as well as the Southern Hemisphere and theory has it they were released from their dimension originally from the Philadelphia Experiment...how much validity this holds who knows but i met one in human form fall of 98 here in Atlanta.
3. The Greys and Reptilians are enemy species as is seen in certain lightning storms, I shall be back on the net soon so i can post more frequently until then im still checking on the board. Take care and have a great day.
In Love and Light,

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