I have read a lot of books about aliens/ufo's and I never have completely made up my mind. Are they here for the good of man kind? Or is there another motive? Are they here to take over the world? Is there something they need? Do they want to harm us? In my experience, I think that it's either or. Like humans, they have different personalities. They have different opinoins...different views. If they wanted to take over the world, they could have a long time ago, since they are so technologicly advanced. One of my theories is that they have come out of curiosity, OR that there is something they need from us. If you are a believer in the Roswell cover-up, then you could conclude that maybe the CIA and the Goverment are in fact connected to the aliens. Although they deny this, there is strong proof that Roswell did happen, in 1947. Besides, if there was nothing to hide, as they say, why is Area 51 restricted? If you truspass on that land, you can recieve up to five years in jail, and a fine of ten thousand dollars. My theory is that Area 51 is being used to research the spaceship found, and the two alien bodies.
I know that some people will argue that there is no solid evidence that aliens exist, but in fact, there is...it's just the goverment has done a good job of keeping it hidden. If your not a believer in aliens I suggest you read the book "Silent Invasion" by Ellen Crystall. I was once a skeptic, but no longer am.

I would like someone to reply.

Well, I do happen to believe in aliens (I mean, why not?) And here is my take of good/bad.

There are most likely some of both good and bad. Just like humans, and animals, and everything that lives.

Aliens do exist, and I am a Roswell believer. The Government has for a long time covered up the exsistence of aliens. I do believe I was once contacted, but they went away. Yes, like all living things, they could be bad, or good. I just want to make peace with them. Maybe we can fuse ourselves together, Humans brawn, and Aliens brain, we could be very domanent. Then, who would mess with the body God gave us? Maybe God is the Elder Alien or something.


I would like to oppologize for all my misspelt words, as I could not use the spell checker.

Well I dont not believe, nor do I believe100% but logically speaking there has to be life out there with that many other suns and planets out there. There is just no way, so aliens do exist. Now are we ever going to see them? Probably not due to the distance unless they can somehow FOLD space or go Faster than the speed of light, because even going 99.999999++ the speed of light we would be long dead before we got to another galaxy. Our children's childrens etc etc yes if you send a colony ship or something, so maybe there are an alien races that is on its way here that left 5,000 years ago or what have you.
But now the question of with such a HUGE HUGE HUGE universe, why point for the milkey way instead of some other place. Unless the technology is so great and for some reason they want to see us, like on the Star Trek ship n stuff.
Now people see 'UFO's all the time. Do we know that its alien? Or maybe us from the future or a secret government made a saucer ship and got it to work, like Hitler was having his scientists work on that project actually. Maybe genetic engineering as well who knows.
Whatever the fuck it is I would like to know wtf is going on just like the rest of us. Hopefully in our lifetime they will come clean or a mother ship will show up or SOMETHING........

If aliens are here, they cleary do not want us to know it. That could very well mean they have no intention of letting us know any time soon, and also, they may not be friendly.

But on the other side of thigs, if they were not friendly, and they are here, wouldn't they have killed us by now, or made an atempt to harm us?

Let's say, a "mothership" lands on earth. We aren't going to go out to the ship and say "WE OUR A PEACEFUL ppl!"

That would be stupid. We must always be prepared for the worst.

True, some aliens are bad, well, okay. Most are bad, I think. But, anyway, some of them are here to help us. We shoudl welcome them into our planet, you know let them settle on Easter Island or something. Keep them away from Area51 and the Government because they would kill them. And if they are Evil, let them come. If we cannot hold out against invading races, we shouldn't have the planet anyway.

I believe there are good AND bad aliens. There are many species out there and some visiting this planet. There are many theories but what i know as fact is just too long to tell here but Reptilians are bad, Greys are indifferent but are enemies of the reptilians (Dracos) The Nordics are supposed to be good, and of the 3 unknowns i have run into I could not speculate, they did nothing to hurt us but that doesn't mean anything to me. As far as Roswell, I believe it happened but have 2 theories on it.
1. An alien craft crashed, the govt recovered it.
2. Theory has it a pact was made between the Greys and the govt in exchange for technology the Greys could abduct a certain # of people and the govt would disclose the fact of their existance at a certain date. the govt went back on their word and the Greys staged a crash at Roswell to speed up the disclosure.

well its good to know someone else knows about the Greys :D
You talked to or seen one before? I'm not sure about the Greys though... they might not be enemies, but they seem very.. secretive, got their own thing going on.

..the universe is so huge..you'd have to be quantumly small..and, of course, your spaceship to do the traveling..

as for worm holes..well..that's star trek stuff..not hard science.

reports of ufos skyrocketed w/sci fi. the most famous 'report' being when the observation balloon fell..and a general said it looked like an 'ufo'... he retracted..but the myth began.

as for ufos in the skies..well..you see something you don't understand..and your mind searches for the answer..and imagination..herd instinct..all come into play.

so...

no aliens..no ufos.. sorry..it's just a little folklore that people like to 'herd' about thinking about..to think they are a bit 'special' cuz they know something 'special'... truth is... all is explainable thru science

There are 22 subspecies of the Grey, as for the agenda they do have there own agenda. The Reptilians (Dracos) tried to take the Greys planet but the Greys caught on and waged war against them. They were sent with their tails between their legs. now the Reps are attempting the same on earth and the Greys are still waging war. Some of the subspecies are slaves of the Reptilians whichis the misconception of some that the greys are one with the reps.

Hmmmm... look back in history, ufo's were seen by Colombus thats quite aways before sci-fi. The original Mona Lisa had a flying saucer.....the caves in France.....i don't need to go on. Do some reading in sacred text. The Mahabarrata would be a good one to start with

sorry..but it's true...

i go by experiences and whats implanted in me knowledge wise your science is only the science known in this dimension and by humans

heh... "special" how can someone feel special knowing something that most will ridicule you for lol

hey scrap you on yahell messenger? or aol?

Nope I dont have any kind of messengers :(

you need to dload one so we can chat how bout icq?

hehe no icq either lol... I'll keep in mind about d/l something , I'll probably go for aol messenger thingy. I'll let you know when i get one :D

i'm an intelligent human being.. let's skip the cutie gender words..shall we?

I suggest trillian, get them all on the same interface.

our story was sent to caus and was posted on the web without our knowledge but herehttp://www.abduct.com/contact/c39.htm is the link.

LOL I think I like alice

How about you and Scrap@lot take this conversation to PM for talk on messengers, Faerieshaman?

This is not the chat board either. Please, read the Site Rules.

alright cool.. I'll check it out ;)

I agree that the existance of aliens is a bunch of hogwash. I think that those who believe that they've had 'encounters' had strange dreams or maybe traumatic experiences and so they visualize or fantasize or hallucinate these experiences and they are so convinced that it's true that they continue to tell the stories. And the stories continue to become more and more real the more that the indulge in their stories, making up details here and there until it becomes a vivid, elaborate tale... I mean, come on! Bored, drunk people make crop signs and CBs and walkies can sometimes be heard in baby monitors and Mel Gibson is sexy... and it's a good story... dang that M. Night Shyamalan. He's so convincing.

deleted

Alice this is a "pseudoscience" forum, don't get bent out of shape when people discuss pseudoscience on it. Whats the point of telling these people aliens aren't real? That criticism is too easy to make so I wouldn't bother.
I don't believe or not believe, but I am well read on all the theories or should I say THE theory. Its extremely creative if nothing else, its not as far fetched as the bible or anything and its definately a more interesting read.

They also weren't just thought up by some geek, actual ex-government agents brought this allegedly true story to the public. I'm not saying that means its definately true, it could just as easily be a scam by the us-government to distract the people from what they are really up to but it does give the story a little credibility and I think everyone should check it out even if just to draw your own conclusions on what the us government is up to.
__________________________________________________
Apparently, the rosswell incident is when the greys were forced to reveal themselves to the government. Their space craft is great for interstellar travel but not so great inside earths atmosphere as they were designed with only the knowledge of their own atmosphere and space.

They had their eye on the governments operations and were forced to prematurely expose themselves when one of their crafts crashed in rosswell.
Greys can communicate with any living being through telepathy and they are believed to be cetacean type creatures with even further advanced sonar abilities. They are, however, a genetically inferior species on account of generations with a lack of "survival of the fittest" type breeding(kind of like what will happen to the human species eventually). They correct what they can with genetic engineering but had been finding it difficult to get the themselves to the quality of genes that nature intended them to have.
So they started space exploration colonies that would build bases on moons and planets and make their way across the universe in search of life that they could possibly "borrow" fit genes from which they could modify to suit themselves. They mentioned nothing about resources to the US government. They struck a deal with america, america said they would turn their back on the occasional "stealing" of people and animals in exchange for fancy technology.

The "nordics" made contact with earth soon after this event.
The nordics are a humanoid species living on a thriving beautiful planet, they are in no danger of polution or over population, they are in no shortage of resources and they have a system that can sustain itself seemingly forever. Amazingly they are also by far the most powerful and technologically advanced of all the known species.
They never 'touched down' on earth but they communicated with the us government by way of high tech radio waves. They warned them that the greys were not to be trusted, they said they were a very selfish species that specialised in mind control and deciet. They said they were only interested in using earth up for all its worth. They said the greys had ruined their own planet and many others and they predicted earth would be next.
They said that humans were not spiritually prepared for the technology they already possess and the rammifications of greys giving them more technology would be catastrophic.
They offered the us government help in fighting off the greys and also teachings on how to make the earth a better place like their planet.

The us government ummmed and aaahed but by this time thousands of greys were living in underground bases on earth that they had convinced america to build them. The greys were in affect "watching over their shoulder" and the us greatly feared what the greys would immediately do if they sensed an attempted betrayal.
Also the nordics weren't offering the us any technology and in those times technology was invaluable to america, they were competing with the ussr and many other countries for supremecy. So america denied the nordics help. The nordics basically said "fine, fuck off then, burn in hell" and ended transmission never to be heard of again.

Over the years the us government have grown suspicious over the greys who have become increasingly more confident and demanding with their requests. They ween very limited technology to america and ask for more and more favours from them. Sometimes threatening exposure of the us governments secrets to the public which would be disastrous. They basically have america wrapped around their finger and have since introduced the reptilians to them.

The reptilians rarely physically come to earth but human government agents often are taken to their bases which are located on mars and the moon.
These bases belong to both the reptilians and the greys who have an odd relationship.

They greys talk among themselves 95% of the time, they communicate with humans and reptilians strictly for business. They never go beyond vague details when giving reptilians or humans information. Strangely the greys have no qualms with giving the reptilians slaves that are members of their own species. The slaves don't even seem to mind despite horrible treatment.
Greys appear to work like an extremely advanced ant colony. All working for whatever their primary goal is, with no regard for their own personal well being. The reptilians are an extremely cocky and confident species, human witness's can only describe them as pig headed idiots.
They openly admit that they consider themselves, by far, the best species around, they push their weight around and insult humans and greys like they aren't even there. They also seem to be very gullible and naive and humans think it is blindingly obvious that the greys are doing a number on them but the reptilians don't expect a thing, it doesn't seem to be a concept they can fathom.

The greys have been working with the reptilians for a long time and they appear to be used to working with them. Even treating humans like they treat them, being very unconvincing and patronizing. It has become obvious that the nordics were correct when they said greys specialise in deceit, everything they do appears to be aimed at tricking another species. The humans, rather than being gullible or naive like the reptilians are frightened to voice their disapproval just yet.

They know from an experience that greys could wipe out the human species simply using the strength of their brain.
20 years ago in a secret underground base known as Dolce', a human worker disapproved of the genetic experiments he witnessed the greys conducting.
He started a riot, hundreds of armed american guards and workers attacked the greys, they shot and killed one, the rest of the greys used an unknown sonar power that was like an unbearably loud noise in the humans brains, most of the rebelling humans died on the spot from extreme brain injuries and the greys ordered the us government to execute the injured survivors claiming they were dangerous, the us obliged.

So basically the us is between a rock and a hard place, they know the greys' motives are sinister but they can't do anything to stop them, they can't even voice their disapproval due to fear.

Greys and reptilians have even started suggesting that they own humans. Reptilians openly say this often and when the humans ask the greys what the reptilians mean by that even the greys are fairly blunt (by their standards) in agreeing with the reptilians.

Not as much interspecies communication goes on as you would expect, it is basically short information transactions, then the humans have to get together and discuss what the aliens were talking about and what they should do and so on.

Greys don't mingle with other species at all and the humans never see a lone grey or have the opportunity to question one. The reptilians pretty much consider humans the equivalent of roaches so a human isn't about to have a meaningful discussion with a reptilian.
Basically the us government is in the dark and very frightened, it is theorised that the war in iraq is one of many future "mock battles" that are merely practices for a possible future intergalactic war.

The US right now apparently is in the act of decieving the deceit-artist greys. Telling them the war is for the greys benefit in some way.
Still they aren't very confident to take on the greys at this stage and especially not the reptillians who have the military potential to blow the entire earth off its axis and have threatened this in passing many times, in a manner that indicates they would consider it no big deal.

The us is also doing all it can to remake contact with the nordics but at this stage that seems impossible and it appears the greys are more than reluctant to give out any technology that would make this task easier, almost like they know the danger in that.
_________________________________________________
This is THE theory that can be found all over the internet and in some books written by ex-government agents.

Remember, I never said I beleieve any of this:p
I despise science fiction normally but I find this story extremely interesting, maybe because its guised as a true story, whether it is or not is another story.
If its completely made up(which seems more likely) you have to admit its fairly creative.
Like I said more creative than the bible or star wars.
Why not make money off this story? The ex-government agents that exposed/made up this information are the real deal. I know that much.
I still suspect they made it up but I doubt they did it for fun, possibly the making it up in itself was a government conspiracy of sorts.

Dr Lou Nautic,
I don't believe in these stories about the threat from space at all. My mother always call greys as her friend. I dreamed I was taken by light six years before I first time red about such a technic of abduction.
I have my own theory about the stories like your one. I posted it here some time ago, but forgive me I put the excerb from that topic ones again:
In my opinion the politics are the person with biggest EGO among the population – the have to control all countries to feel safety. But they are aware that controlling others is much more sufficient when society is not aware of the reality – so their efforts are aimed to enlarge individuals EGO and fear, because EGO has got simple feed-back mechanism included (safety-not safety). So when our governors got confirmed messages that some ET have came with mission to kill our ego, they recognise that this means the end of their power and prosperity. Initially they denied any information about ET/UFO. But recently when the social awareness of ET existence is much bigger they changed approach – they say: OK. ET are fact but we suspect that they didn’t come with love (as declared), we suspect that they are danger for humans – so you people do better when you keep away from ET.

Chris

heyya all :)
]
note ; any 'real' scientist would not go into a study/experiment
looking for reasons to prove thier opinion rite!
they seek to discover a nature of the truth through evaluative method of non biased results of types of formula applied to certain "things"
imho
now that i have stated my opinon i will prove it wrong :D

#when people talk of aliens they most often use the term to mean something they dont like to look at!

one of the largest problems we have in society is a symptomatic type response to adverse behavioral adoption to be manifested as sexual disfunction.
thus to most people any medical procedure is rendered to be a sexual fantasey, because of the ignorant reinforcement of self proclaimed skeptics and the high occurance of sexual disfunction and the societal expectation to be a sexual conformist ...
well ill let you (hopefully) think from there.

so to use a collective rendering as most "skeptics do" an alien is someone who has sex in a different manner to the one trying to find what normal is!
poor things! = sad sex life!
anywho...

some want technology
some want slavery(labour help)
some want body parts(transplants)
some want play things(entertainment)
some want lazzyness(relaxation)
some want crazzyness(to forget the bad stuff)
if you want to know thier agenda
just look of your own veranda
humans want what all is above and yet look to
call WHO "alien" ?

point that i feel is most important is
we have a long way to go before we stop trying to destroy those we dont share the same riligion with...
so what would most do to someone who looked completely different???

once we clean our own act up im sure more will be able to happen.
blind self serving ignorance is the first thing required to be dispelled. we are not that far from the inquisition as it is(psychologicaly).

grove on all :)
peace light truth love
the path to that we hold above.

Aliens wpould become covered up, becasue of mass hysteria. Hostidle or not is not really a question because im sure if they are hostile they have a completely valid reason ( to them at least) good and evil are Psychological concepts based completely off opinion

heyya all :)
yo... JoojooSpaceape

i am afraid that this is the point where current science streaks past your current thought!
we already have the technology to produce food without the need for killing animals!

it is only greed that keeps this going, .. ohh and good ol fashioned BLOOD LUST.
which is why we have murder and violent crime in such rampent abundence.

so imagine the genetic advancement of other civilisations that may be only one hundred years infront of our current state!

it is already possible for current scientists to produce geneticly modified humans who do not need to comsume food as you know it!

but as soo many people are stuck in cycles of mental abuse through systems of greed and power-mongering
it seems soo many people want to be able to go around killing other people!
or they would stop it!
maybe in another thousand years the humans will be ready for world peace.
look at how many countrys have the death penalty
(which is ritual sacrifice)
and corperal punnishment
(which is torture/sadism)

we already have the technology to stop animals and even plants from reproducing so we do not need to kull them either!

its just greedy people that stops it!

atleast 'all' the people in the world are not greedy...
otherwise there would be no point in the continuety of the planet!
its such a pretty coloured thing!
water we are!
blood we all have
the water is our blood

and... maybe ??? you are only your posesions???
i hope not!
why limit what you think you might be able to achive???
most people do.
it is very limiting

groove on all :)

Aliens probably have a whole different way of thinking,the good or bad persona was created by humans.

Good and Bad was created by the way Humans think and the way our thoughts progress.

Originally posted by Chicago
Well, I do happen to believe in aliens (I mean, why not?) And here is my take of good/bad.

There are most likely some of both good and bad. Just like humans, and animals, and everything that lives. a genuine trecker

I did not see why aliens should not exist, and -as we did with Moon- come to Earth, either in past, or in future. The problem may consist in the fact that any time two different civilisations meet, one will take over. Second, if they travel (spending time and energy) to Earth, what are their goals? For us, traveling to Mars, the goal will be either to colonize it or to get minerals, etc. Both goals will be unpleasant for the locals, assuming that are locals. Same is applying to us, when they will travel here.

I believe the very notion of aliens coming to earth is rather absurd, you guys who all believe in aliens awesume waaaaay toomuch. You awesume they are more advanced than us. You assume that they exist close enough to come here. You assume that they have been around longer than us. You assume that they are smarter than us, thus giving them the ability to come here from absurd distances. You assume that they are even capable of mining ore to build ships. You assume that the way civilizations develope are the same way that we developed...and or "better." You awesume, you assume, you assume. Its pathetic, and thats all I have to say about that.
(spelling correction)

lol. I assume you are meaning to use the word assume.
That's all I have to say about that.
And I awesume that you awesume,that if there are aliens, that they are none of the things you mentioned.
I'm awesuming.
:D

They will most likely have no intention on being friendly, i mean come on......what do people with power want? More power, and i am willing that E.T.'S most likely are the same way to. Well, it would make for a most interesting visit, Agree?

Originally posted by ll_3473052
I have read a lot of books about aliens/ufo's and I never have completely made up my mind.
I would like someone to reply.

Hi ,
I too have read a few books about ufos/aliens , I believe that more then one race is present on Earth and some of them have bases here . Most of them seem to be here because of their own interests , they exploit this planet for their benefit . There are even reports that some of them are actually trying to help people , for example Ludwig Pallman's "Cancer Planet Mission" . Because of the complexity of this matter it is actually impossible to tell if aliens have good or bad intentions toward humans , some of them may be good , some not .

Think outside the box for once. Please explain your "logic" as to why you believe that there are aliens here on earth. Or do you guys believe that because you want to? (or because thats what the "credible tabloids" have told you?)

Originally posted by manmadeflyingsaucer
Think outside the box for once. Please explain your "logic" as to why you believe that there are aliens here on earth. Or do you guys believe that because you want to? (or because thats what the "credible tabloids" have told you?)

well if you put it that way then I must correct myself , I don't believe I know , and I suggest you open your eyes and take a look outside of your "house"

I have a little information that I am going to post here on the
speculation that "some" UFO's may be not manmade. I will also
post later some information that supports the idea that "some"
are manmade and using advanced technology, not chemical engines
in other words. First some info from Paul Hill, who was a propulsion
physicist at NASA.

While many scientists and engineers are skeptical about the possibility that the Solar System or the Earth could be visited, NASA physicists such as Paul Hill are beginning to describe possible alternative understandings of how Anomalous Observational Phenomena or AOP behavior could be explained using physics. There are not many good books or references (at least not available in the public domain) regarding scientific study of (apparent) physical behavior of these high performance machines. But one effort stands out, one which I frequently recommend to technical people who are curious about the subject. The book was posthumously published by author's daughter and his friend, Robert Wood, ( McDonnell Douglas Aerospace, Engineering Manager, ret), (recently of the MJ-12 document verification effort, with his son Dr. Ryan Wood, et al.) The manuscript was a 20 year work-in-progress effort by Paul Hill, a NASA LANGLEY propulsion physicist. Paul Hill having observed on different occasion the behavior of high performance machines, which he noted as, "not likely being of this world," a position which is supported by the fact that he was an expert in propulsion physics, working in a government propulsion laboratory.

Hill expended years studying and verifying through experiments (which he details with attendant photographs taken while working as a scientist at Langley) specific observed behavioral characteristics, such as the commonly observed, 'tilt-to-turn' feature exhibited by 'flying saucers' and the 'discs' he personally observed. He also gives a very good description of a suspected laminar-air-flow control field used as a programmable artificial air-foil for molecule collision avoidance. This also could explain the numerous night observations of apparent coronal ensheathed glowing spherical objects (and which are often confused as being 'orb' AOP). Suspected 'discs' observed in darkness operating with suspected laminar airflow control enabled appear as glowing spheres, with sphere being brighter than the inner object, only the sphere is seen. Also, Dr. Hill clearly elucidates how apparently inviolate physical behavior could be accomplished using physics we understand.

Paul Hill also admitted to being assigned the "dubious task" of an "unofficial NASA UFO clearing house" for NASA employee/contractor, suspected ET machine visitation observations.
http://www.setv.org/motivate.html

Originally posted by Shadow_Wizard
Aliens do exist, and I am a Roswell believer. The Government has for a long time covered up the exsistence of aliens. I do believe I was once contacted, but they went away. Yes, like all living things, they could be bad, or good. I just want to make peace with them. Maybe we can fuse ourselves together, Humans brawn, and Aliens brain, we could be very domanent. Then, who would mess with the body God gave us? Maybe God is the Elder Alien or something.


I would like to oppologize for all my misspelt words, as I could not use the spell checker.

right, interesting idea but how would we "fuse" as you put it?