Has anyone else got an alien encounter experience yourself or someone close that you believe. Like mine is really modern and progressive, and it was not a dream and could be verified by scintific methods in which I was trained. I was amazed because it followed the general 'Grey' with some interesting differences that were confirmed by a skilled medium as being an extraterrestrial spiritual entity from the Pleiades.

The encounter was real, the anwers to my questions made sense after the fact from 'their' point of view and revealed their intentions were much misunderstood, and their concern to be appropriate with us just goes way beyond probable human behaviour. If humans were only that considerate! And there were a couple of new items revealed that were surprising, but I believe we cannot get the whole picture without checking with others to get the rest of the story (Yes, not unlike the terrorist infiltration just because the CIA and FBI were not talking to each other. It's that kind of a communication that we won't get until we can genuinely communicate and cooperate.

I want to hear if there is anything else out there on a one-on-one peaceful encounter that could shed some light on the subject, or even a website, listing or legitimate forum. I don't want to reveal some of the secrets considereing the rules of gathering unbiased evidence, and strangely knowing I could recognize a genuine experience--UFO's are not required for this type of visitation.

I haven't had any first-contact experiences, but I have witnessed strange phenomenon in the past. I am interested to hear more about your encounter, though. Could you give me some details to further your case?

Sorry kid, but you use the phrases ""scintific method"(sic) and then "confirmed by a skilled medium" together, and if you really were trained in scientific method, you just wouldn't.

So, you had a dream about aliens, and you think it's real. What makes you think this dream, out of all the dreams you've had, is real, however?

“,,, and I will give them dreams and visions in the last days, pouring out my Holy Spirit upon them.”

Yes many today are experiencing strangely intense and more real than real visions, and dreams. Most will never understand what they represent. Yet I know the intensity and uniqueness of these visions compared to a dream or even an intense nightmare. Having all your senses in perfect working order, like perfect vision, causes these visions to be even that more unique as during these types of visions your senses are not used, but instead are directly stimulated somehow. Talk about virtual reality at it’s best.

Surely you're not taking the testimony of a medium as proof are you?
Exactly what "scientific methods" proved that your experience was not a dream?

torn half-way between belief and disbelief, i continute my quest for truth with this query:

Assuming this encounter was real, did the aliens speak english? seriously, I always wondered if they could talk verbally or if it's all ESP or whatever.

Frankly, I find this whole alien thing overworked and under-documented.

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Sorry kid, but you use the phrases ""scintific method"(sic) and then "confirmed by a skilled medium" together, and if you really were trained in scientific method, you just wouldn't.

So, you had a dream about aliens, and you think it's real. What makes you think this dream, out of all the dreams you've had, is real, however?

agreed entirely,

and as for you Biblical reference, or whatever you want to call it craterchains, the simple fact is that we do not have any record of how many people on the earth at all times experience largescale dreams throughout history. If we did you could possibly make the statement you did, however a lot of people (apparently such as yourself) do not take into account that there is a new burst of communication that is available that had not been available say even 30 years ago.

>>>>Yes many today are experiencing strangely intense and more real than real visions, and dreams.

what evidence do you have for this statement? or is it just an unsupported one? no-one i know is experiencing this.

>>>>Yes many today are experiencing strangely intense and more real than real visions, and dreams.

what evidence do you have for this statement? or is it just an unsupported one? no-one i know is experiencing this.


yes indeed, show us 'proof'.

if no proof exists, how can these things ever be taken seriously.

things, all things, must exist within the realm of our senses - otherwise, they can not really exist at all.

therefore - i demand proof.

Proof is in research.

Do your own.

Ask dream analysts maybe? :D

Has anyone else got an alien encounter experience yourself or someone close that you believe.

A few years ago, I had a Grand Prix that kept breaking down on me and eventually the water pump went out on it outside of town on I-30. I was trying to get a tow-truck to come out when a couple of aliens actually stopped to help me.

No shit. They looked a lot like us: bipedal, a pair of eyes, two arms, cranial morphology was nearly exact! Their skin was a bit darker complected, however, and their eyes were as black as coal... It was as if they could see right through you. The language barrier made oral communication difficult, but it was as if they could read my mind. They kept making hand gestures (I even think I counted five fingers per hand with opposing thumbs) of using a "telephone," so I think they understood that I needed to "phone home," for assistance. They were very gracious and even transported me to the next exit, where I found a payphone.

When I turned around they were gone! I didn't get to say "gracias, mis amigos!", but I think I could make out their beat-up, blue ford pickup getting on the exit... Maybe la migra was nearby.


Who thought I was gone? :cool:

Ever wonder why an alien just doesn't walk into a TV station anywhere and broadcast a live report about itself, or take over a radio station and send us a signal where it is. It is very perposterous that any alien lifeform from another planet or solar system ever reached Earth. There's just no proof except what people say they saw or some visual effects movie about a UFO.

>>>>Proof is in research.

>>>>Do your own.

you made the claim so it is up to you to supply the proof. otherwise it is just an unsupported claim and as such worthless.

Proof is in research.

Do your own.

Ask dream analysts maybe? :D

These appear to me as simply words - vacant, lacking meaning, reason and concept.

One, who goes about making claims, needs to substantiate those claims - otherwise those claims are meaningless, empty words without any underlying reason - or proof of concept whatsoever.

Obviously you’ve exercised your right to free speech – now exercise the underlying logic therein as well – if indeed it exists, at all.

Cheers

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Boris

Do your own research. You never know what you may learn.
Pete here at scifoolems just discovered the longest crater chain on Mars while double checking our statement.

You may find more evidence of this than we have, but would you share it? WOuld you show it as support of the statement I made of our research? Just read all the crap here at scifoolems abut strange and weird dreams.

>>>>Just read all the crap here at scifoolems abut strange and weird dreams.

that's what you base your "research" on?

Just one source amongst thousands available via the net.

Your signature on your profile is similar to one quote I like.
Will Rogers. "It's not what you know or don't know, but what you know that ain't so that will hurt you."

>>>> "It's not what you know or don't know, but what you know that ain't so that will hurt you."

you must live in a constant state of fear then.

,,, as must you from this quote? Some call it overly, aware!?
"Sometimes it is better not knowing than have an answer that may be wrong"

In any case the dreams / vissions are being talked about.

I awoke from a nightmare and beside me on the pillow was the face of a gargoyle/reptile head which was contorting its face. I was able to move and starting punching it and of course it disappeared. About a month later it appeared again - just the face projecting from a mirror. This time I just lay in bed and watched it for about 5 seconds. No I wasn't drinking or on drugs. Now this just might be my dream state being pulled into my conscious state, but I must say it alarmed me and I thought I was maybe going crazy. I have not had any more instances. I did bump into an acquaintance at a party who said he had experienced seeing something like a gargoyle, but he refused to elaborate. Comments?

who said he had experienced seeing something like a gargoyle

That's the problem with any attempted link, 'something like'. Often things in dreams are rationalised into items were are familiar with on waking. You saw a contorted face, and called it a 'gargoyle'. You use this word, and your friend matches _his_ interpretation of what gargoyle means to him to _his_ experience, but they are only linked by a word, not by some external reality.

It sounds like you have experienced night terrors and sleep paralysis, which is quite common, I've had it, and described it here, and so have many others. It can be quite scary, and can often me misinterpreted as someing more than it is, a purely natural, if unpleasant phenomenon.

btw, I wake up looking at a gargoyle every morning. I have a stone one on my bedside table. I'm not a goth or anything, I just live in a Victorian house and it suits the decor. Mine looks kinda cheeky

Actually in both instances I was able to move and did not experience sleep paralysis, nor was I frightened or alarmed. In fact my instincts were to fight it and so I did. The second time I decided to observe it. I am well aware of the symptoms of night terrors/paralysis. My friend mentionned his encounter with a Gargoyle and that's when I said I had an encounter. I had been looking up the meaning of Gargoyles (trying to decipher what the incidence was all about) months before this conversation. And I find it curious that we would experience this within roughly the same time period. So this is not an instance of Monkey hear, Monkey repeat. Regretably my friend would not discuss it further. As this sort of thing has not happened before or since the 2 incidences I ponder that it might have been an inter-dimentional being.

A few decades ago when students were so poor that they had to share rooms, not just flats I woke in the early hours of the morning to see, apparently, my room mate sitting at the end of his bed. [This was parallel to mine, about three feet away.] Visibility was good as it was a moonlit night. I sat up in bed to ask him what he was doing awake at that time, but as I raised myself on my elbow I could see he was actually sleeping peacfully, stretched out in a normal position. I turned back to the look at the figure at the end of his bed and it was still clearly visible. He had his back towards me, but there was sufficient of his profile visible for me to recognise him as the father of a friend. I was now sitting upright in bed switching my gaze between my sleeping room-mate and the apparition. I could clearly see what the apparation was wearing and, from the time of my second glance at him, had observed that he was partly transparent. After a total elapsed time of around forty five seconds [which I calculated later by repeating the actions i had taken and timing them]the apparition faded.
I am quite convinced that what I saw is exactly what many people claim as a ghost. I have equally no doubt that it was entirely a product of my brain. Why am I so convinced? Two days earlier I had been reading a popular book on sleep in which it was mentioned that sometimes on waking, with the brain mid-way between two states, very realistic hallucinations can appear. At the time I thought, 'that's really neat. I'd like to see one of those.' Two days later I did.
I would be amazed if your 'gargoyle' was not exactly the same phemomena.

Actually in both instances I was able to move and did not experience sleep paralysis,

Ah, but you do experience it, even if it is not for long, and you don't consciously take note of it.

We often dream about things, faces, whatever, but we don't often dream about punching things in the face. This was a fear reaction, partly because of the scary face and partly, because as you were coming out of sleep, your subconscious perceives a threat, as your limbs are immobile.

You then start punching in your dream state, and wake punching. The real punching starts someway after you think you really are, that part is still a dream.

Of course, because it's a dream, the source of your fright is no longer there on waking.

Sleep paralysis often drives dreams completely. The feeling of being chased, or that sluggishness while running, or the ability to fly, are all caused by it.

Anyway, upshot is, you had a nightmare, and so did your friend. End of story.

I take it you are unconvinced by my hallucination explanation, Phlogistician?

What I've mentioned time and time again fits the reasoning and removes the mental resolution that most apply. I usually point to parallels, my reason for doing so is that one minor alteration between universe, the smallest of paradoxes could place people out of sync with their multiworlds selves through a giant butterfly effect that pans out in the universe.

I can't suggest what causes such paradoxes, perhaps difficulty in waking one morning is great enough to cause universal deviations (Namely you awake 5 minutes later, get dressed later, miss your bus to work and alter the whole pattern of your day.)

The same could be suggested for owning a cat, or perhaps having a cat that got runover by someone driving to work 5 minutes later (see above paragraph) As for seeing people... well it's suggested that two universe (if they should exist in reality) would deviate from one another enough so they do not encroach, however if the universes haven't moved that far apart from one another it would be possible for someone that is still following a multiworlds destiny to come across one of these instances of a multiversal split, for instance seeing the ghost of someone who commited suicide (who ultimately might not have succeeded in that goal on another universe).

I know I have mentioned it time and time again, usually to be greeted with the hostility of skepticism, however physics doesn't rule it out in fact it suggests its a possibility.
The real question though is if such occurances are natural, or if they have been overseen by "Observers" that have set such paradoxes in action to see how the universes pan out. (By Observers I don't mean Aliens, but very Human Parapsychologists and even Physicists.)

Why are you choosing a complex, unsubstantiated explanation over a simple, proven explanation? Just because it's more fun? Or some other reason?

I take it you are unconvinced by my hallucination explanation, Phlogistician?

'hallucination', 'dream', both are false experiences caused by part of the brain overlaying it's activity on the waking mind, so I'm not disagreeing with you, just using a different term.

Have you seen any experiments involving sleep deprivation, btw? Interesting stuff, and outlines the delicate balance between conscious and subconscious experiences.

During periods of sleep deprivation, it became apparent that parts of the brain take 'cat naps' and go into dream sleep while the subject is still conscious. The dreams this part of the brain has are sometimes experienced by the subject, overlayed on the reality they percieve, so the dream is given as much credibility.

That said, a 'dream' becomes a 'hallucination' in this example.

Of course, this is a very subtle effect, and people who hallucinate a lot, see ghosts, aliens, all of that, are most likely suffering from this phenomena. It's no surprise then that the majority of people have these experiences when they should be sleeping.

I've deleted FieryIce's post because it didn't really place conjector on the overall topic but was designed to attack a particular individual by supposedly exposing the thread viewer to information about what they have stated on their website.

I know I have allowed this in the past in regards to Craterchains site, however I will be stopping this in the future.

I suggest it's up to the thread reader to make their own decisions about who a poster is, or what their motives are. If they want to learn more about such things as motives rather than listening to the output of other people which usually have one-sided views to offer, they should in fact perhaps look at the individuals profile if they have included their website details etc.

This way on information that is Publicly Available is viewed at the discression of the readers investigative prowess as apposed to being forcefed biase.

I've got to say, I disagree with that. I thought FieryIce's post was definately "character assasination" (or, more accurately, an "assasination attempt"), but doesn't your new rule restrict one from making arguements based on previous literature of the opposing poster?

For instance: if I argue against POSTER A's contention that HYPOTHESIS 1 is supported by EVIDENCE 1A, then aren't I restricted from citing QUOTE 2A (a statement made on POSTER A's website) and QUOTE 2B (a comment made in a post of another thread). It would also exclude citing QUOTE 2C (a comment made on BadAstronomy msg brd).

Moreover, I would suggest that we are morally responsible to warn the casual reader/new member about scam artists like Chris Beachum, who are attempting to peddle their wares through threads with "new ufo pic" attached to them. The new rule would make this impossible, since it is a high-velocity, low-drag bullet of words that is needed to assisinate the very character flaw that we can all agree to find distasteful: the spammer.

I know what you mean Skinwalker, however I'm hoping that other moderators now and in the future will be able to see the difference between citing references from a persons site and just quoting references or material about someone in an attempt to laiden the reader with biase.

It is a pity that the clout system isn't functional on this forum, however I might look at doing something else to cover that.

oh. my. lord.

you people dont know what the thread-starter experienced...you go on and on and on about scientific method, and blah blah blah.........

you have no idea what that person experienced. you are automatons of our technocratic society. you automatically disbelieve ANYTHING that doesnt jump out and bite you.
sounds a bit UN-scientific if you ask me.

of course, i may just be an ass too. :)

Hey Visisted, I believe in you.
Your guides came to you to remind you that you have a define dignified purpose all of the infinte possiblities of the universe.
If you allow the possiblities in your mind and except your life you will see it slowly opens, like my mind currently is.

There is no such thing as not real, non-exsistant or fake, whatever you percieve, it is all real electricity that exists in your mind and with your soul in the body of the universe. :)

oh. my. lord.

you people dont know what the thread-starter experienced...you go on and on and on about scientific method, and blah blah blah.........

you have no idea what that person experienced. you are automatons of our technocratic society. you automatically disbelieve ANYTHING that doesnt jump out and bite you.
sounds a bit UN-scientific if you ask me.

of course, i may just be an ass too. :)

lol.. I am learning to take these debunkers with a grain of salt. Don't tell them about any religious experiences you have had. They will FORCE you to concede you're freaking nuts, or had a dream.

"Which is more plausable"? They will ask over and over again... or as you say, blah blah blah. lol.. Here, read below and learn their way's.

Debunker's must do the following!
#1.) The burden of proof is always on the woo-woo making a sensational claim, even when he or she is not making a claim. Cause them to get frustrated.

#2.) After a woo-woo gets banned or leaves a discussion, chant the following 3 times: “Mundane Claims Win The Day, Mundane Claims Win The Day, Mundane Claims Win The Day”.

#3.) None of you’re claims need to be proven, because you’re not the one making a sensational claim. Keep repeating this to yourself so as to make sure the woo-woo can’t ever challenge you.

#4.) If you let a woo-woo go, without impugning or attacking them personally, then you are not doing it correctly. You must find them stupid, and inferior.

#5.) Woo-woo’s are stupid and inferior.

#6.) A sensational claim is only wrong, if it’s presented by a woo-woo, or someone not as educated as yourself. If a fellow debunker presents a sensational claim, pretend the idea has merrit. (Take one for the team)

#7.) Always explain away a UFO as natural, remember you don’t have to prove anything. If you claim it’s something natural, the burden of proof is on them to prove it’s not natural. This way you can claim it’s anything.

#8.) The truth can be our enemy, if the truth supports a sensational claim. It’s then you’re job to distort or confuse the truth so as to support a more mundane explanation.

#9.) Don’t ever offer words of support, or agreement with a woo-woo. Constantly attack, harass and confuse them. Remember how much smarter, and more important you are than a stupid woo-woo.

#10.) Visit www.badastronomy.com and find a woo-woo to be destroyed. Search the banned list to reminisce and enjoy you’re past work. If the banned user’s list does not exist create one. Use this to compare other woo-woo’s to past ones.

You violated the Copy/Paste rules of sciforums. A simple link to the above un-original material would have sufficed: http://members.cox.net/borobbie2/

Even though you are the original author it appears. And in #8, you've missused the possessive conjunction "you're." It should be "your."

Besides, this is sciforums. To get banned here, you've got to be way more annoying than ProudMuslim. On a scale of 1 - 10, you're a 6.02214199 x 10^-23 compared to him.