If Airwolf and Blue Thunder were to get into a dogfight with one another, who do you think would win?

Advantages
Airwolf:
-speed (can do bursts of 1.5 mach with turbo thrusters)
-lighter/more agile
-more armament (chain guns and rockets)

Blue Thunder
-advanced surveillance/tracking avionics
-space age armor (can deflect most small arms fire)
-potent gatling gun/movable, can track targets

A missle. ;) :p

A missle. ;) :p
Oh that reminds me. Airwolf also has chaff flares. I've seen it dodge many a missile with those flares.

Airwolf - cause more women wanted to have sex with that actor who played the peelot in it..

Airwolf

http://www.simonpattison.co.uk/images/airwolf_stuff_images/Airwolf_dune.jpg

Blue Thunder

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/2582L.jpg

Airwolf also had the magical super advanced armor too
.....but blue thunder was piloted by the same guy that killed jaws. I'd say that gives BT the advantage of having True Grit.

yea well currently Airwolf gets 100% of the votes

Airwolf, and Blue Thunder is butt ugly too.. lol

yea well currently Airwolf gets 100% of the votes

Not any more (grin)

Not any more (grin)

:mad: :spank:

can anyone remember which one did loop da loop and flew upside down?

Oh that reminds me. Airwolf also has chaff flares. I've seen it dodge many a missile with those flares.

Chaff flares cannot protect anything from a radar guided missile that "locks onto" its target. Sorry, but that's not a very good defense for a radar guided missile . :shrug:

can anyone remember which one did loop da loop and flew upside down?

It was in the movie, so it was Blue Thunder. So, how hard it that to do??

And my favorite was which ever one had Jan Michael Vincent in it. Don't remember the name, just remember him.

It was in the movie, so it was Blue Thunder. So, how hard it that to do??

And my favorite was which ever one had Jan Michael Vincent in it. Don't remember the name, just remember him.

It is almost impossible to roll a chopper because it stays up by pushing the air down.

Air Wolf was with Vincent.

almost, but not impossible? I suppose you would have to go really fast, huh?

Chaff flares cannot protect anything from a radar guided missile that "locks onto" its target. Sorry, but that's not a very good defense for a radar guided missile . :shrug:

Yes, but you didn't put a type of missile up there. You just put 'A missile'.
And yes, chaff flares CAN protect you from a radar guided missile.
What do you think chaff flares are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_(radar_countermeasure)
Chaff, originally called Window by the British, and Düppel by the World War II era German Luftwaffe, is a radar countermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminium, metallised glass fibre or plastic, which either appears as a cluster of secondary targets on radar screens or swamps the screen with multiple returns.

It was in the movie, so it was Blue Thunder. So, how hard it that to do??

And my favorite was which ever one had Jan Michael Vincent in it. Don't remember the name, just remember him.

I rest my case.

Airwolf, was one of the few "man" shows, almost as many women watched.

Let us see. Volcano base, versus entertainment;.
Strategically since the byrde crew is unarmed, cept for ramming speed. I'd go with Airwolf.

Although needing much courage, and an act of bravery, he was armed.

Let us see. Volcano base, versus entertainment;.
Strategically since the byrde crew is unarmed, cept for ramming speed. I'd go with Airwolf.
The what crew?
If you're talking about Blue Thunder, it was armed. It had a gatling gun on a turret up front (very similar to an AH-1 Cobra's chain gun assembly).

almost, but not impossible? I suppose you would have to go really fast, huh?
Speed isn't the issue. I can't exactly explain how but it has to do with the main rotor assembly.
The experimental Commanche helicopter can do rolls and loops because it has a bearingless main rotor design. It has something to do with how its rotor, unlike regular rotor assemblies, does not pitch and tilt like conventional rotors do.

I don't suppose you have any video of that. Its sounds awesome! I can't imagine beign the first pilot who successfully did it.

I don't suppose you have any video of that. Its sounds awesome! I can't imagine beign the first pilot who successfully did it.

No. But I'll find one.

you rock. thanks! ;)

It appears that I may have given you slightly inaccurate information.

This answers the upside down flight rule:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/58229
Go to answer 3 of 11. That is a pretty good explanation.

Here's a vid of an Apache doing a barrel roll followed by a Split-S, and into a fairly impressive loop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZOKecduNBQ

NOTHING HERE. fLACK.

Pity You can't add Streethawk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCItnKrXvMM) to a polled Versus comparison, unfortunately I can't think of any other bikes.

Or perhaps Manimal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQZxRH6uoiY)

Anyhow back to the topic in hand, Airwolf was sleaker. However the Winner is obviously Airwolf, purely because it had more seasons than Blue Thunder's single Season.

OH MY GOD, I SO LOVED THIS (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086662/) SHOW AS A KID!

~String

Oh, come on.
Blue Thunder was a piece of crap. Wasn't it's main thing just that it had surveillance equipment? I don't seem to remember it being any sort of a fighter at all.

Airwolf was just bad-fucking-ass.
Wish it was still on in reruns.

almost, but not impossible? I suppose you would have to go really fast, huh?

After watching the video clip of the Apache flying upside down I realize now why it can but many others cannot. It has jet propulsion pushing it where many other s don't have that type of assisted push. I don't know if a regular helicopter can do this.

After watching the video clip of the Apache flying upside down I realize now why it can but many others cannot. It has jet propulsion pushing it where many other s don't have that type of assisted push. I don't know if a regular helicopter can do this.
Nope. Apaches don't have jet propulsion. It has two turbine engines that drive the main rotor via a shaft and a transmission.
They do have a special rigid rotor system that allows it to do this.

Nope. Apaches don't have jet propulsion. It has two turbine engines that drive the main rotor via a shaft and a transmission.
They do have a special rigid rotor system that allows it to do this.

Thank you. When I look at it , it seems to have two jets , one on either side but those were as you stated for turning the rotors.

From WIKI..

The AH-64 is powered by two General Electric T700 turboshaft engines with high-mounted exhausts on either side of the rotor shaft. The Apache has a four-blade main rotor and four-blade tail rotor

Well I've ridden passenger in the Kiowa and this guy tried to make me puke(fixed wing VS rotor thing in Canadian forces)- there were Several upside down loops and (barrel) rolls involved. Helis boggle my mind.

http://www.aircav.net/Kiowa/58gal-001/oh58-022t.jpg

Thank you. When I look at it , it seems to have two jets , one on either side but those were as you stated for turning the rotors.

From WIKI..

The AH-64 is powered by two General Electric T700 turboshaft engines with high-mounted exhausts on either side of the rotor shaft. The Apache has a four-blade main rotor and four-blade tail rotor
Now, while there is no real life heli that I know of that has jet thrust assistance, a lot of helicopters now that have the little winglets that actually provide a bit of extra lift to take a bit of the load off the main rotors. The Apache is one of them. The real life helicopter that they used for Airwolf also has those lift providing winglets.

http://www.piasecki.com/_borders/H60.gif
Piasecki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piasecki_X-49) is giving Sikorsky a big kick in the ass right now.

Piasecki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piasecki_X-49) is giving Sikorsky a big kick in the ass right now.[/center]

I don't believe your claim.

http://www.piasecki.com/_borders/H60.gif
Piasecki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piasecki_X-49) is giving Sikorsky a big kick in the ass right now.

What is counteracting the torque of the main rotor on that copter?
Nevermind. I looked it up.
I wonder how they are going to get this helicopter to go faster.
Do you think they will have it to where once it gets to a certain cruising speed, that the wings will take over for the lift and the main rotor will just autorotate, or stop altogether?
The difference in lift from the rotor blade coming forward on one side and and going back on the other side is what limits the top speed of a heli. It gets going fast enough to where the blade coming forward provides more lift than the one going back.

That sort of rotor has got to stay spun up to some degree, and at least slightly loaded, or there is Big Trouble with mast bumping and blade shenanigans. With the rotor disc very lightly loaded, retreating-blade stall is less of an issue, but there's always a theoretical Mu-limit (blade vs. forward velocity), and a respectful margin is necessary to stay away from nasty behavior. As if helicopters aren't complicated enough, things get really complicated when they get pushed through the air. I read an article in Rotor&Wing (I couldn't find it online) that was talking about the prototype potentially achieving speeds in excess of 200 knots (that's a 60-knot kick in the pants). The gains in speed aren't going to be revolutionary, but this concept may improve range a lot. A lot of people thought it was a shame when the Cheyenne was canceled- now the concept is getting another chance.