Where is the origin of Aids? In other words where did such a deadly infectious rapid spreading disease come from? For years scientist and the public as well has wondered....will we ever know. It has been said that a certain breed of monkey's is a carrier of Aids but unlike humans the monkey's aren't sick. It's also mentioned that it could be a plague from God due to our immoral livestyles and then again,others say the Government created Aids as a deadly biological weapon. But still there has been no proof that Aids orginated from any of these..... what is your thoughts..... is it possible some sick pervert committed sodomy with a animal or that It's punishment from God or is it a weapon created by the Government? Then again perhaps it's none of these, nevertheless.... SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS

I hope it was not created by humans.

I don't believe in gods and such.

It is possible the disease existed in another species for a very long time, mutating now and then, and finally one strain crossed over and was able to affect humans. (I'm no expert, but I know some diseases can cross from one species to another, now and then.)

Good thought provoking questions. First off - Aids is all inclusive of several strains of HIV. Research generally shows that HIV is a descendant of simian (monkey) immunodeficiency virus (SIV). Several of these SIV viruses bear a very close resemblance to the two types of HIV. It does not show conclusively that chimpanzees are the "definate" source of the virus but it comes up as close as we ever can get. There are some that think that both the chimps and humans may have become infected from a third, as yet unidentified, primate species.

The crossing of species is known as zoonosis, and many researchers have suggested that the HIV viruses could be a result of a human killing a chimp and eating it for food.

Speculation on this virus is kept at a minimum because not one person wants to attribute blame for the disease to any particular group of individuals or lifestyles.

As for it being a punishment from God - well if we were the writers of the 'bible' then we would certainly use this deadly disease as a message from God to make sure that the human race cleaned up it's act.:eek:

This is what I have been taught:

AIDS came from Africa, where in their diet, they eat lots of different animals. One such animal was, I think, the green monkey....its very very very small. The monkey carried the virus and when the people ingested it they recieved it, and then it spreads.

I'm not sure if its the green monkey or another type, but its a tiny bugger.

A pervert who "likes" animals wasn't the cause.......how sick.
As for God.....that's another discussion.
If a government did manufacture AIDS, then too bad! They'll never admit it and it's a fair price to pay, for the human race. War and biological weapons are utterly horrible.

I've heard the tourist from Africa bringing it to America and Canada via homosexual lifestyle in San Diego...i've also read that the US government might have done it too..though i don't believe the conspiracy crap, why would the government want to? Unless we were experimenting with HIV, and it might have escaped..or someone might have gotten infected, had sex with someone...etc.

Oh, and guys, notice the distinction between AIDS and HIV. You can't catch AIDS from anybody. You catch HIV. HIV affects the immune system, and if the system's ''T-cell" count falls below 200, the patient has AIDS. People may have HIV all their life and not get AIDS.

I really don't see the big deal about making a distinction between HIV and AIDS. It's like saying there's a difference between jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet without a parachute, and hitting the ground after the drop. Sure, technically there's a difference, but if you do one, it's a pretty safe bet you'll do the other.

I agree with New Explorer. Thats the same thing I found when I researched it awhile back. I wish they should hurry up and find a cure. Too much life is lost. It pisses me off when people say its the worlds way to cure overpopulation. Thats sick. There are alternative ways to cure overpopulation. Like education and birth control and the distrabution of condoms everywhere for free. I can believe they charge 3.00$ for a condom! They should drop them from an airplane over every city in America.

It would be tough but I think if the world really tried, it could be done:)

If only it rendered people sterile insted of condemning them to a slow death....

I read an article in a news site (a reliable one) that the HIV virus was probably spread by some sort of fly. The fly bit the carrier and then - a human, and it spread the virus very efficiently.
Also, the virus' ability to easily mutate and adjust itslef contributed to that efficiency.

Personally, I think AIDS is a kind of means of the nature to save the planet. If you live in a developed country, you have all the means to prevent an infection. You just have to be careful. No more than that.

Some stuff;

Paul Ewald in "The Evolution of Infectious Disease" covers HIV. According to the phylogenetic analyses, SIV (the simian version of HIV) is derived from HIV, implying that monkeys got their version from us, not the other way around. I'd be interested in scientific references that show that HIV is derived from SIV. Thanks in advance.

Ewald also points out that it's possible that HIV was a common infection that remained benign in humans for thousands of years and suddenly became virulent due to the adoption of promiscuous habits (e.g. prostitution) in the geographic area of origin of HIV. Ewald uses this to support his theory that virulence is a consequence of transmission rate.

HIV and AIDS are not the same. HIV is a virus, AIDS is the disease caused by the virus. There are many instances of HIV infection with no manifestation of AIDS, and there is at least one case in which an individual (male) was HIV positive and is now HIV free, implying that some immune response got rid of it.

Hope this helps.

Prostitution has been around since roman times...probably earlier... how come AIDS turns virulent now?

The 2 conditions necessary are promiscuity and presence of HIV in population

Well there was this boy named Jimmy, Jimmy's teacher, Mr,s Clark told his class they need to do a science project on cross pollination. Well it just so happens that Jimmy's parents were planning a trip to Africa, so while there Jimmy was thinking of an interesting way to do his assignment. On the second day of their stay Jimmy comes across two monkeys procreating. This sparked an idea in Jimmy's mind! Jimmy then devises a plan for sneaking the monkey back. Well Jimmy get's the monkey back, after some doing. The day comes for the students to present their projects. Jimmy's nervous and asks the teacher to allow him to go first. Well as Jimmy is getting out of his seat the bell rings and the rest of the class goes out to play. Jimmy stays and sets up his project. Well the class comes in and Jimmy has the monkey tied down with its butt in the air Jimmy walks up behind the monkey drops his drawers and attempts to demonstrate what he has seen, the teacher screams the monkey jumps and Jimmy's penis hits the wrong hole. So as you can see it was kind of true AIDS did start as a homosexual act, but it is also true that it was a science experiment assigned from a government official! Jimmy got an F! Poor Jimmy.:mad:

When can we have a perfect cure of it? :confused:

Scientist are starting to understand how receptor sites work and this could lead to the next miracle drugs, I don't know if AIDS uses receptor sites...maybe it just takes a long broadsword and stabs the white blood cells....on second thought that sounds farfetched.

There is a drug out there that can slow down the process, anyone know anything about that?

Also, with genetic energeering, which is in an infant stage, we could maybe make the human body immune to some viruses, and the trait would carry on to the offspring, but that's very far off.

I thought you guys might find this link helpful:

http://www.thebody.com

There is no cure for AIDS. There are drugs that can slow down the HIV virus, and slow down the damage to your immune system. But there is no way to get all the HIV out of your body.

Firstly AIDS does not exist. It is not a disease!
It is a word describing a state where a body is open to infection due to an immune system compromised by H.I.V.
YOU CANNOT CATCH IT IT DOES NOT EXIST IT IS JUST AN ACRONYM

Now,

The african green tree monkey has been long understood to be the root of HIV Thru SIV this is true. Certain tribes would inject their groins with the monkeys urine during fertility rights

There is also a cat version! so you should steer clear of humping pussy as well.

The virus attacks a cell in the immune system called a T4 lymphocyte this cell is a little like the team captain in football and directs the rest of the immune system.

The RNA of HIV gets into the cell and transforms its function.

It does this using two enzymes. The first is called reverse transcriptase which prompts the DNA in the cell to work in a different way.
Basically it is re programmed to manufacture new virus particles using its own nutrients and make up. the second enzyme proteaze comes in at this point also. Eventually the cell uses up all its own nutrients and dies giving birth to millions of new particles which go off and infect new cells.

You can make up to 10 billion new HIV particles in 24 hours.

The drugs work on the enzymes and attack at the molecular level to disrupt two elements of the viruses RNA.

eventually the cells decrease in number so that very few are left. This is not AIDS hoewever in the states it serves to call it that because a lot of money is to be made by the health service.

AIDS is defined by certain illnesses such as kaposi's sarcoma PCP which is a rare pneumonia or oro-pharyngeal thrush.

people can have a t cell count of four and still be as fit as a flea.

I have worked with HIV positive people for 18 years. The medication is good tho toxic and causes problems of its own.

incidentally 80% of infected people worldwide are hetero sexual. Most of these inhabit sub saharan Africa where in some parts 60% of the population are infected.

many of the previous posts are accurate but it worries me that some people still remain clueless so far on. It is your responsibility to educate yourself and not spread useless gossip

*rant moan grumble etc*

prostitution was probabally the second job to come into being. the first was hunter.

And how d'ya think they paid for the meat?:D

Originally posted by bbcboy
Firstly AIDS does not exist. It is not a disease!
It is a word describing a state where a body is open to infection due to an immune system compromised by H.I.V.
YOU CANNOT CATCH IT IT DOES NOT EXIST IT IS JUST AN ACRONYM

AIDS does exist. Saying it doesn't exist is like saying sneezes don't exist. Sneezes have many causes, can be caused by many illnesses, but they exist. AIDS exists. And it is also commonly the result of HIV.

A little analogy:
1) A possible cause: Jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet without a parachute.
2) A possible result: Going splat against the ground.

Now, 2 is not necessarily guaranateed if you do 1, but it is very likely. The same with HIV (1) and AIDS (2).

A question: What percentage of HIV cases develop AIDS?

A question: What percentage of HIV cases develop AIDS?
None! They go on to develop advanced HIV disease. This will leave them open to opportunistic infection which may end their lives.
I know of what I speak, this is my job!!

I don't know much about AIDS or HIV but I can't see why there is a need to differentiate the disease from any other STDs. Regarding the original question posed in this thread, why even ask about its origin? Where does any disease originate? Were measles, chicken pox, syphilis and/or any other diseases punishment for perceived bad behaviour by a non existant god?

Disease is a fact of life. If you don't get it, count yourself lucky.

Cheers.
Teri

Originally posted by Teri 2
I don't know much about AIDS or HIV but I can't see why there is a need to differentiate the disease from any other STDs. Regarding the original question posed in this thread, why even ask about its origin? Where does any disease originate? Were measles, chicken pox, syphilis and/or any other diseases punishment for perceived bad behaviour by a non existant god?

Disease is a fact of life. If you don't get it, count yourself lucky.

Cheers.
Teri

Whether AIDS/HIV is a disease or a syndrome is a semantic issue. I think its origins are irrelevant unless it's a biowar or biotech venture; as far as I'm concerned, it's just an opportunistic organism.

Originally posted by Teri 2


Disease is a fact of life. If you don't get it, count yourself lucky.

Cheers.
Teri




I don't know much about AIDS or HIV but I can't see why there is a need to differentiate the disease from any other STDs. Regarding the original question posed in this thread, why even ask about its origin? Where does any disease originate?



Perhaps if we can find the origin of Aids the cure might be there as well.Considering the rapid spreading and millions of people dying from this disease it's worth a shot.



Were measles, chicken pox, syphilis and/or any other diseases punishment for perceived bad behaviour by a non existant god?


** Unlike Aids, measles, chicken pox and syphilis have vaccines
**This is not a religious thread but no one can prove or disprove the existence of God?

RE: Share your thoughts.

I’ll ask the question again, why differentiate from any other disease? You wrote that “Unlike Aids, measles, chicken pox and syphilis have vaccines” – did the vaccines for chicken pox etc. magically materialise in the daily mail? I don’t think so. Medical science is working on a vaccine or cure for HIV, just as they are in the case of every other disease that has not yet been defeated.

You asked us to “share your thoughts” – Upon reading your original post, my first thought was the idiotic notion that Aids is a product of the wrath of ‘god’ for our immoral lifestyles. Even though I don’t know the origin of HIV, I firmly don't believe it was created by God or the Government.

Cheers
Teri

Originally posted by Teri 2
RE: Share your thoughts.

defeated.

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Cheers
Teri


I’ll ask the question again, why differentiate from any other disease? You wrote that “Unlike Aids, measles, chicken pox and syphilis have vaccines” – did the vaccines for chicken pox etc. magically materialise in the daily mail? I don’t think so. Medical science is working on a vaccine or cure for HIV, just as they are in the case of every other disease that has not yet been



** The cure might be there as well (origin) It's worth a shot.
** Millions of people aren't dying from chicken pox. measles, or syphilis.
** Aids needs to move up to first priority




ou asked us to “share your thoughts” – Upon reading your original post, my first thought was the idiotic notion that Aids is a product of the wrath of ‘god’ for our immoral lifestyles. Even though I don’t know the origin of HIV, I firmly don't believe it was created by God or the Government.


** I respect your opinion but I never said any of the 3 was a definite origin only what the media and churches have led us to believe. However, I still haven't heard differently on where the origin of Aids began.

** I was once told by a nurse who dealt with HIV patiences, that if she was ever to become infected, while aiding her patience a cock tail was available and could stop the disease, only if taken within two hour of being infected. I don't know the validity of this statement, do you?


** First off, who still believes the human being evolved from monkey's?
And if you do still hold to this as fact, which breed of monkey?
Is this breed of monkey immuned to the HIV viruis?
Is the make-up of different breeds of monkey's drastically different?



**** The theory that claim's human's evolved from monkeys would also mean that our primary molecular structure is bascially the same, however the human is suppose to be more advance . If this holds true and different breeds of monkey's aren't drastically different in DNA make-up, Why is it monkey's aren't affected the same way that the human is by HIV?



** If HIV did come from a monkey has the monkey being diced up on a examination table for research on why it's not affected? If so please share the results?

** I'm not sure about SIV or that humans gave this disease to a monkey I will have to do more research meanwhile post what you find.

**** Awhile back I took a course in which one of the subjects dealt with the rapid growth of the population. A concern that the government was looking into and trying to figure out a solution to . The ratio of people:lack of space:and resources is a concern for the government's of different countries. It was said that by year (X) the planet would not be able to accomdate people at this rate of rapid population growth.
Approx. 2 year's later It is being broadcasted that millions of people are dying from a deadly disease. The people are mainly poor and uneducated and this is the same kind of people on most of the continents. Mabey it's a long leap but perhaps Aid's was engineered, if not, than perhaps the government is using a deadly disease to it's benefit. Who really knows?

You are a very confusing poster.


** Are you saying that something humans and monkey's either eat or have contact with could be the carrier of HIV. Thats scary

To whom are you asking this question?

You've written three consecutive posts and seem to be asking and answering your own questions, as well as patting yourself on the back for asking "good thought provoking questions".

I find it very frustrating to correspond with you so I'll leave this thread for others to answer your questions. Better yet, you could do the research from the appropriate areas and convey to us what you've learnt.

Cheers
Teri

The wonderful thing about it all is that fact that we have the technology to keep those infected with HIV alive while we research a cure. This allows sufficient time for the virus to mutate into the many strands that are available today and makes other illnesses that are rare due to their weaknesses to become more common and develop tolerances to the antibiotics that we so readily and massively prescribe to the HIV infected.
HIV is extremely weak and fragile like most viruses until it can find a proper host and grow stronger. Like all viruses it infects the weakest of a species and grows strong enough to infect any of them unless they die thus killing the virus with them.
In the times of plaugues those with proper food and shelter were less likely to get the plaugue until massive amounts of people were infected which was solely due to the large amount of poor and homeless of the times.
In our times people who's immune systems are lowered due to drugs, poor diet, and lifestyle are an excellent host for a virus as weak as HIV. It then has time to develop itself and they become the host that can spread it to anyone.
So what should we do about it? kill them all thus ridding the world of the virus? You would say no, of course. That would be illogical and inhumane.
Instead we should try to develop a cure, but being that the virus attacks the immune system itself instead of the body this would seem very impractical if not impossible.
So what happens when it finally mutates into a strand that is airborne? What then?
Even more interesting is how we isolate and quarentine people infected with leparsy when the cure is soap and water and we hug and kiss those infected with HIV which has no cure.
Is it pity? Is it fear?
What influences us to make the decisions we do with deadly viruses and the people infected with them?
If you decide to comment on any of these questions I would like to hear your answer on this one.

Would you kill another to save yourself?

Originally posted by boneanon
The wonderful thing about it all is that fact that we have the technology to keep those infected with HIV alive while we research a cure. This allows sufficient time for the virus to mutate into the many strands that are available today and makes other illnesses that are rare due to their weaknesses to become more common and develop tolerances to the antibiotics that we so readily and massively prescribe to the HIV infected.
HIV is extremely weak and fragile like most viruses until it can find a proper host and grow stronger. Like all viruses it infects the weakest of a species and grows strong enough to infect any of them unless they die thus killing the virus with them.
In the times of plaugues those with proper food and shelter were less likely to get the plaugue until massive amounts of people were infected which was solely due to the large amount of poor and homeless of the times.
In our times people who's immune systems are lowered due to drugs, poor diet, and lifestyle are an excellent host for a virus as weak as HIV. It then has time to develop itself and they become the host that can spread it to anyone.
So what should we do about it? kill them all thus ridding the world of the virus? You would say no, of course. That would be illogical and inhumane.
Instead we should try to develop a cure, but being that the virus attacks the immune system itself instead of the body this would seem very impractical if not impossible.
So what happens when it finally mutates into a strand that is airborne? What then?
Even more interesting is how we isolate and quarentine people infected with leparsy when the cure is soap and water and we hug and kiss those infected with HIV which has no cure.
Is it pity? Is it fear?
What influences us to make the decisions we do with deadly viruses and the people infected with them?
If you decide to comment on any of these questions I would like to hear your answer on this one.

Would you kill another to save yourself?







That's a tough question which leads me to ask you if we should give up on looking for the cure due to the rapid mutation of the virius? I don't know much about AIDS but I really thought that if we could find the origin we would be closer to the cure but given the mutation factor were not dealing with the original strand anymore. But would I kill another to save myself,personally, I think I would. Perhaps the government should consider this for the rest of the uninfected portion of the population.

Originally posted by boneanon
become more common and develop tolerances to the antibiotics that we so readily and massively prescribe to the HIV infected.
Citation please. Many of the illnesses that kill AIDS patients are never contracted by the uninfected public.


In our times people who's immune systems are lowered due to drugs, poor diet, and lifestyle are an excellent host for a virus as weak as HIV.
Citation please. HIV is not a social disease. It doesn't kill those with poor diets and immoral lifestyles any more easily than it does lawyers and doctors who eat their wheaties and go to church.


So what happens when it finally mutates into a strand that is airborne? What then?

Citation please. There's no evidence that this is a possibility worthy of concern.


Even more interesting is how we isolate and quarentine people infected with leparsy when the cure is soap and water and we hug and kiss those infected with HIV which has no cure.
Is it pity? Is it fear?

Learn how to spell 'leprosy.' Leprosy is communicable via touch, HIV is not. There's no reason to quarantine HIV patients from normal human contact.

Would you kill another to save yourself?
There is nothing in your entire post that indicates this would be required. Why then do you ask it?

- Warren

** I was once told by a nurse who dealt with HIV patiences, that if she was ever to become infected, while aiding her patience a cock tail was available and could stop the disease, only if taken within two hour of being infected. I don't know the validity of this statement, do you?

This is in fact a combination of the very drugs which are keeping people alive.
Anti Retroviral Therapy (ART) works on two elements in the RNA chain of the virus itself.
Research is still ongoing as to the success of this intervention but it does seem promising.
I actually worked with a nurse who had to take it last year due to a needle stick injury, she's fine, but then there's no strong evidence that the virus actually got into her system. I've pulled people out of wheelchairs and put them in the gym with this stuff. It's toxic in itself and can cause other problems but it works!
I just wish the people I remember and the friends I miss could have had this opportunity!

(People who have the emergency cocktail do so for a month. Positive people take the medication for life.)

Originally posted by chroot
Citation please. There's no evidence that this is a possibility worthy of concern.


There's no evidence that this is NOT a possibility worthy of concern.

Your "citation please" is annoying coming from a dude who offers none himself :)

Originally posted by boneanon
In our times people who's immune systems are lowered due to drugs, poor diet, and lifestyle are an excellent host for a virus as weak as HIV. It then has time to develop itself and they become the host that can spread it to anyone.
So what should we do about it? kill them all thus ridding the world of the virus? You would say no, of course. That would be illogical and inhumane.


Humanity is overpopulated. It seems to me that excepting very few cases, one gets HIV by fucking around promiscuously and/or taking IV drugs. Let 'em die.

Humanity is overpopulated. It seems to me that excepting very few cases, one gets HIV by fucking around promiscuously and/or taking IV drugs. Let 'em die.


I wonder where you get off using the word 'Humanity'. If this is your true opinion you obviously have no concept of this word.
As a medical person I would say it's time to up the prozac!

You should try a little promiscuity now and again it might put a fuckin spring in your step!

** Aids is death and it's method of transference is diabolic. This virius slithers in the corridors of Sex and Drugs. The very two things most live for(we can officaly say were in trouble) Nevertheless, sounds like the brainstorming of Hell was successful, however,as it grows in potency will the mortality rate shorten, drastically? And as the virius evolves will it find other gateways?

Who needs more promiscuous, drug-addicted losers? I'm cheering for HIV in this case.

If we're really lucky, Ebola will make it to the jUSA and wipe out a fair number of the idiots around here talking about "freedom."

Who needs more promiscuous, drug-addicted losers? I'm cheering for HIV in this case.

HIV transmission being what it is I wouldn't promote myself as such an arsehole if I were you!!

Edit for spelling

If we're really lucky, Ebola will make it to the jUSA and wipe out a fair number of the idiots around here talking about "freedom."

Well if thats the case then youll be dead in about 3 minutes.

Ebola doesn't pick its victim's. It kills whatever it can. If ebola did hit I could see one result. The rich can afford to lock themselves up in their homes ... they can buy special chemicals to make everything more safe. While the poor working class is stuck outside dealing with the disease. And after its all over and the working class population goes down just say "Hello socialism."