Firstly this forum is known as a PG/13 rated site, this is listed in a number of the main sites that index it and it can effect search engines searching it. Should they decide that the site has moved to "Mature" they might decide to Freeze advertising or blacklist it from being spidered. I know this because I've researched it plenty of times before.

On registeration to this site, members are asked to agree to being over 13, again this covers the PG/13 kind of certification however people tend to neglect that the agreement symbolises other things. Like not converting it to "Mature" (R/18)

On top of this there is always some whiny kids parents that wants to sue someone because their sofa needs replacing from the years they've squatted in front of the television and "Juniors" foul mouth can be blamed on something other than bad parenting.

So this is why I motion that we have at least one "Mature" subforum, that's given a splashscreen of a R/18 "Mature content" disclaimer where members have to be over 18 to get in. Members can then obviously point out who shouldn't be there and well hopefully it would police itself.

Such a "Mature" forum can be configured to exclude spiders. This is good for many reasons, from not causing the wrong types of people to join the forum (sex offenders), to keeping Advertisers happy, to making the forum "look" a tidier place (To those that aren't expecting us Smutty bunch of discussion enthusiast.) as well as not exposing peoples children to things they get all pissy at.

By all means, add your feedback here if you like the idea or not. (Even work out the subforums name should it be given the go ahead) Please however do not use this thread to "whine" about the closures, as after all if the proposal goes ahead they can be reopened there. (They are easier to find locked).

[Update]
There are some companies on the net that search out websites and "Classify" their content. Depending on that classification then defines how the "Clients" they have can view this forum or not. For instance Schools, Colleges and Universities can use such systems to block out particular offensive sites, even search engines could use them to develop "Safe search" patterning. With an unrated site filled of "controversial material", currently we are potentially limiting the number of people that view the site and join in discussion.

I don't think that is what this forum was designed for. If they want mature then there are plenty of other forums with that available to anyone.

I don't think that is what this forum was designed for. If they want mature then there are plenty of other forums with that available to anyone.

agreed. What do people expect to see in this mature section? What will be discussed there? Will it be a section for Dear Penthouse, titty shots, etc? Are we trying to please a few at the expense of the integrity of this forum?

integrity of this forum?

Now there's a few words you don't hear to often about this forum.

Now there's a few words you don't hear to often about this forum.

yeah, I was ambivalent as to whether or not to write it. A mature section will denigrate what is here.

I'm not suggest we have Porn and "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" threads. I'm just suggesting that some people want to talk openly about certain things that can really be discussed in the forum as is. For instance one moderator mentioned to me that obviously certain discussion falls under the category of Psychology and Sociology (Asguard) and yes he is write, however if you listen to a number of Psychologists and Psychiatrists discussing it "abstractly" it's far different than getting draqon to measure how many inches he has. (Inches of pizza draq)

I'm really basically suggesting an area where Mature members (in this particular case it means people that happen to have more birthdays than the younger members) can hang out and basically tell the younger members to Scram. Much like a study (room) might be closed to a teen because it contains "sensitive" material that someone's father doesn't want them messing up.

Our TREE HOUSE!

I think its a slippery slope, that will devolve into nothing worthwhile. But if you want it, do it. You certainly don't need anyone's approval.

And who's going to monitor that? We don't have enough monitors here with the forums already here. I can imagine some people jumping in that area for a few posts with porn then leave. You'd need constant monitoring there if it ever happens, which I really don't think is needed.

however if you listen to a number of Psychologists and Psychiatrists discussing it "abstractly" it's far different than getting draqon to measure how many inches he has. (Inches of pizza draq)


I don't eat pizza.

Oh god, can the mature section be by actual maturity and not by age? Do we really need thread after thread of draqon saying how immoral everyone is?

Oh god, can the mature section be by actual maturity and not by age? Do we really need thread after thread of draqon saying how immoral everyone is?

I did not say everyone is immoral, I only said western women are immoral.

I did not say everyone is immoral, I only said western women are immoral.

I've met a few Russian ladies that are very immoral as well.

I've met a few Russian ladies that are very immoral as well.

but not as many

And Russian men. They masturbate ALL the time. Getting pleasure from a male touch. highly immoral.

And Russian men. They masturbate ALL the time. Getting pleasure from a male touch. highly immoral.

you just made it up, because you couldnt think of anything better to pin me with.

And who's going to monitor that? We don't have enough monitors here with the forums already here. I can imagine some people jumping in that area for a few posts with porn then leave. You'd need constant monitoring there if it ever happens, which I really don't think is needed.

Well the monitoring would be easier in certain respects. You see when dealing with people in discussion on the forum normally it can be difficult to make a judgement call, after all you have some people being happy about something and others that pm you complaining about things. Unfortunately it's a very difficult thing to keep everyone happy.

Obviously there would be two simple rules:
No Porn images/Warez (This could mean Banning from that forum or the overall forums)
No people under a set age. (They've already got access to the whole forums here, one small little sanctuary so certain members can talk about their drives, goals, ambitions and fantasies without having us moderators have to "ride their ass" (or Donkey).

Otherwise the alternative is people will just have to put up with the "Subjectivity" when moderators make a decision rather than grinding them.

no..........

but not as many

Most of the ones I've met were immoral so there's not much differences between them if you ask me.

no..........

you are underage to have opinion in this.

Most of the ones I've met were immoral so there's not much differences between them if you ask me.

you just looking for them.

no..........

you do understand you are a driving force in this. I'd like more input than "no"

Actually "School being out for summer" is more of the driving force. Even if the Maturish forum is just a "Summer camp" to escape kids, (or people we don't want in the treehouse.)
"We've already got a Milhouse"

Well the monitoring would be easier in certain respects. You see when dealing with people in discussion on the forum normally it can be difficult to make a judgement call, after all you have some people being happy about something and others that pm you complaining about things. Unfortunately it's a very difficult thing to keep everyone happy.

Obviously there would be two simple rules:
No Porn images/Warez (This could mean Banning from that forum or the overall forums)
No people under a set age. (They've already got access to the whole forums here, one small little sanctuary so certain members can talk about their drives, goals, ambitions and fantasies without having us moderators have to "ride their ass" (or Donkey).

Otherwise the alternative is people will just have to put up with the "Subjectivity" when moderators make a decision rather than grinding them.

If it makes your job easier, then go for it. I don't have a problem with the idea.

Why aren't there kid-forums for people like BarbieGirl to frolic around with other anti-social teens and talk about their sheltered views of people and the world?! :cool:

That is also a good point. Obviously though Kids forums require even more Moderation.

So we now have two potentials:

A bike shed for the mature people to hang at
or
A crèche for the younger audience

Club Pengiun? www.clubpenguin.com

www.clubbabyseal.com

Sorry, sense of humour getting a bit out of control.

Actually to be honest it's been a good exercise to get some feedback in regards to what people want and expect in this forum in general.

I expect what you expect Stryder. Program me to expect something, in C++ please.

www.clubbabyseal.com

Sorry, sense of humour getting a bit out of control.

That would actually make a good forum name for player haters. :cool:

I think this forum should be 18+. I tried bringing that up in another forum in the past: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=80903
I guess the vote is in however. But I think some interesting points were brought up there.

as styder already mentioned i agree with this sort of idea. Sexual health is a legitimate area of biology and the sexual fantasies thread falls under psycology. Im sorry orleander if you dont like it dont paticipate but i for one think its definitly worth a go.

I think its a slippery slope, that will devolve into nothing worthwhile. But if you want it, do it. You certainly don't need anyone's approval.

Might be.

Though I'd rather give it a try, see if it works, and if it doesn't, well, we can unslick the slope.

Firstly this forum is known as a PG/13 rated site, this is listed in a number of the main sites that index it and it can effect search engines searching it. Should they decide that the site has moved to "Mature" they might decide to Freeze advertising or blacklist it from being spidered. I know this because I've researched it plenty of times before.

On registeration to this site, members are asked to agree to being over 13, again this covers the PG/13 kind of certification however people tend to neglect that the agreement symbolises other things. Like not converting it to "Mature" (R/18)

On top of this there is always some whiny kids parents that wants to sue someone because their sofa needs replacing from the years they've squatted in front of the television and "Juniors" foul mouth can be blamed on something other than bad parenting.

So this is why I motion that we have at least one "Mature" subforum, that's given a splashscreen of a R/18 "Mature content" disclaimer where members have to be over 18 to get in. Members can then obviously point out who shouldn't be there and well hopefully it would police itself.

Such a "Mature" forum can be configured to exclude spiders. This is good for many reasons, from not causing the wrong types of people to join the forum (sex offenders), to keeping Advertisers happy, to making the forum "look" a tidier place (To those that aren't expecting us Smutty bunch of discussion enthusiast.) as well as not exposing peoples children to things they get all pissy at.

By all means, add your feedback here if you like the idea or not. (Even work out the subforums name should it be given the go ahead) Please however do not use this thread to "whine" about the closures, as after all if the proposal goes ahead they can be reopened there. (They are easier to find locked).

A lot of people, such as my self, USS Exeter (or one of the USS's), Orbit, and others contributed fairly well to the discussion on this board.. Even on taboo topics such as Sex,Drugs and Religion. (Although I primarily stick to WE & politics).

So, Unless it's going to be a wide exclusion regardless of maturity levels, you need to be sure you won't alienate the younger demograph, which I admit is not that big.

wow, i would have peged you for over 18 for sure

Ok this might be a stupid question but what is going to stop kids from just saying they are 18 and entering the 'restricted area' ?? Isn't it just going to make younger ones more curious to get in there to see whats going on??

Ok this might be a stupid question but what is going to stop kids from just saying they are 18 and entering the 'restricted area' ?? Isn't it just going to make younger ones more curious to get in there to see whats going on??

Well, you'd either have to have a quiz or do it recommendation based.

i,e members would recommend other members who they know are over 18.

shorty, i guess the difference would be that its on there head legally rather than on the site. if you say you MUST be over 18 to enter and they chose to ignore this then thats fraud and so if there parents chose to sue us we just sue the kid for making a false decloration

Ok this might be a stupid question but what is going to stop kids from just saying they are 18 and entering the 'restricted area' ?? Isn't it just going to make younger ones more curious to get in there to see whats going on??

This is a "cover our ass" policy.

This is a "cover our ass" policy.

Aren't most age restrictions ?

well, especially those on porn sites anyway. Should we stoop to their level ? Or have we already ?

Stryder, why not pg/18 rated threads in stead of a section ?
Mods can then rate a thread if they see fit.
Or is that not supported by the software ?

This all seems like too much work because of one person. Don't you have to say you're above 15 or 16 when you register? Just perma-ban the 14 year old who lied about that and you're set.

Stryder, why not pg/18 rated threads in stead of a section ?
Mods can then rate a thread if they see fit.
Or is that not supported by the software ?


Theorectically, anything that has the slightest hint of Adult matierial or violence can be rated Pg 18 +.

This all seems like too much work because of one person. Don't you have to say you're above 15 or 16 when you register? Just ban the 14 year old who lied about that and you're set.

Age limit is 13.
We can't ban BG 14 for nothing...

Oh... well it's STILL too much work for one person. Just ignore her and leave it at that. Or change the registration age limit. 13 seems way too low but 18 is a bit high. 16? Would that keep the site in some middle ground between PG13 and R in the searches?

Oh... well it's STILL too much work for one person. Just ignore her and leave it at that. Or change the registration age limit. 13 seems way too low but 18 is a bit high. 16? Would that keep the site in some middle ground between PG13 and R in the searches?

I vote 15.

I vote 30.

I vote 30.

eh ? why ?

Unless it's another attempt

eh ? why ?

Unless it's another attempt

I am just being stupid..
For adult content it can not be below 18.

So I'm saying 18, provided that it's just one section or rated threads and not the entire site.

Just what kind of adult content would you be posting Enmos that a 16 year old shouldn't see?

I'm sure he can think of something.

Just what kind of adult content would you be posting Enmos that a 16 year old shouldn't see?

Probably nothing.

This all seems like too much work because of one person. Don't you have to say you're above 15 or 16 when you register? Just perma-ban the 14 year old who lied about that and you're set.

that would be an apsolute pain in the ass

that would be an apsolute pain in the ass

What Perma Banning or changing the Terms ? Or were you talking about BG 14 ?

ops quoted the wrong post sorry

i ment to quote enmos's post
"Stryder, why not pg/18 rated threads in stead of a section ?
Mods can then rate a thread if they see fit.
Or is that not supported by the software ?"

This would be a pain in the neck because we would have to go through each and every thread and make a judgment on wether it should be rated PG or M and then act acordingly

ops quoted the wrong post sorry

i ment to quote enmos's post
"Stryder, why not pg/18 rated threads in stead of a section ?
Mods can then rate a thread if they see fit.
Or is that not supported by the software ?"

This would be a pain in the neck because we would have to go through each and every thread and make a judgment on wether it should be rated PG or M and then act acordingly

Well, you can put in a radio button when creating a new thread. Posters should take their own responsibly.

It would be much like the load of removing unwanted images now.
Posters report them or mods see them, they are removed.

Firstly this forum is known as a PG/13 rated site, this is listed in a number of the main sites that index it and it can effect search engines searching it. Should they decide that the site has moved to "Mature" they might decide to Freeze advertising or blacklist it from being spidered. I know this because I've researched it plenty of times before.

On registeration to this site, members are asked to agree to being over 13, again this covers the PG/13 kind of certification however people tend to neglect that the agreement symbolises other things. Like not converting it to "Mature" (R/18)

On top of this there is always some whiny kids parents that wants to sue someone because their sofa needs replacing from the years they've squatted in front of the television and "Juniors" foul mouth can be blamed on something other than bad parenting.

So this is why I motion that we have at least one "Mature" subforum, that's given a splashscreen of a R/18 "Mature content" disclaimer where members have to be over 18 to get in. Members can then obviously point out who shouldn't be there and well hopefully it would police itself.

Such a "Mature" forum can be configured to exclude spiders. This is good for many reasons, from not causing the wrong types of people to join the forum (sex offenders), to keeping Advertisers happy, to making the forum "look" a tidier place (To those that aren't expecting us Smutty bunch of discussion enthusiast.) as well as not exposing peoples children to things they get all pissy at.

By all means, add your feedback here if you like the idea or not. (Even work out the subforums name should it be given the go ahead) Please however do not use this thread to "whine" about the closures, as after all if the proposal goes ahead they can be reopened there. (They are easier to find locked).

This place is supposed to be a science oriented forum.Young people with an interest in these sort of discussions should be welcome to participate. Normally, people admire youngsters with interests in math/physics/etc.

Putting this rule in place will further entrench the bad apples. They are the only reason this rule is under any consideration at all IMO.

How about making it 25+, so naivity would be excluded???

Lets make 40+...just to be sure

I vote 60..

Apparently thats what I sound like sometimes.

Lets make 40+...just to be sure

Either way, you are not included. :D

I think the easiest hack would be as follows:

Update the forums TOC, so all New members (and old members alike) have to add their DOB to their profile. (They can choose in their profile as whether it should ever be displayed or not). It would obviously have to be explained the importance of the real date and the that if they lie they could face the banning of their account (as Maximum severity)

Threads could be marked with a prefix of the Age ratings and it could be possible to write a hack to filter out the ages that a person isn't suppose to have access too. One great thing with this method is it's "dynamic" so as you grow older your access to threads increases too. (In some respects I can imagine kids trying to get in or waiting for a duration of time to get to the right age to access and then finding out that all their attempts to get in, probably wasn't worth the effort. Extreme hype and obvious disappointment.) The other great thing about this method is it can cover all forums.

Obviously in such a hack there should be an Admin override, as some people "Never grow up".

Obviously rating the thread could be a tricky one. You could have the manual method of moderators or initial thread posters making that decision, however this would always be under scrutiny. Perhaps there could be a Radio element applied to the thread (A bit like a poll) where you decide it's Maturity level or better still one per post. (So if somebody says something "Mature" which in some respects is an oxymoron, it could in fact effect the rating of the thread. )

Obviously such a ratings system where Members rate the thread inputs would mean that Moderators could be less concerned about actually editing peoples posts. After all that was the initial kind of moderation I started with, basically people could say what they wanted but it would end up spidered and stuck in the Sciforums archive (The hall of shame). Forum transcripts written in stone.

This all seems like too much work because of one person. Don't you have to say you're above 15 or 16 when you register? Just perma-ban the 14 year old who lied about that and you're set.

Don't let this thread make you think it's just down to one particular poster. There are a lot of reasons for this proposal, separate to any persons complaints.

some people do not put their real date of birth...I usually put that I am born in 1965

It would obviously have to be explained the importance of the real date and the that if they lie they could face the banning of their account (as Maximum severity)

As I stated if they lied, they could face a ban. Again this is really about the legality, if they lie then we accept no responsibility since such measures technically would of been put their for their own interest (if not for that of a parent).

For instance I recently had a Netnanny company turn up in one of my website logs.

http://www.cyberpatrol.com/cyberpatrolcrawler.asp

They could block this site to a number of companies that trust them to make decisions, for example when a site at a college or university gets blocked it can be done by such companies being contracted to generate the filters. In essence adding better methods for dealing with age increases the overall availability of the site, which is better for all of us in the long run. Btw those sorts of businesses don't just block because of sexual discussion, they can block because of hate speech and other alsorted reasons.

http://www.chatsoba.com/images/cyberpatrol.jpg

as styder already mentioned i agree with this sort of idea. Sexual health is a legitimate area of biology and the sexual fantasies thread falls under psycology. Im sorry orleander if you dont like it dont paticipate but i for one think its definitly worth a go.

I don't like it because I think it is pointless extra work. I don't think a section needs to be set apart, I think we should be able to talk about it in the main sections.
I don't understand why we are worried about offending 14 yr olds.

Don't let this thread make you think it's just down to one particular poster. There are a lot of reasons for this proposal, separate to any persons complaints.

Which is why I asked in my later post if changing the registration age limit to 16 would fix the problem. How are sites that're in the limbo between PG13 and R classified? It seems to me that anything that's too extreme already gets locked, deleted or sent to the cesspool.

Which is why I asked in my later post if changing the registration age limit to 16 would fix the problem. How are sites that're in the limbo between PG13 and R classified? It seems to me that anything that's too extreme already gets locked, deleted or sent to the cesspool.

Locking or Cesspooling currently doesn't really clean it up from bots spidering, which in turn then have their cache's checked for content management (NetNanny's)

Obviously Deleting does, however we've always classed deletion as a pretty severe move because of peoples reactions and the usual coments:

i.e.
"I spent hours writing that post and replying to people, the thread gets derailed by a few people and then you delete the whole thread... Stomp stomp *tantrum*"

There is a potential option for individuals:

Increase the age on the forums registration disclaimer to as you said 16.
Those people under 16 that could have something similar to the COPPA agreement could ask the Parent or Guardians to take their own responsibility for Monitoring their child's internet access. (like it kind of states now, just the age is 13)

[Obviously this is the one people have suggested for a while]

This deals with individual people, however it doesn't deal with the domain being blocked by filters for large networks because of the sites content.

Wouldn't the domain be blocked by filters no matter what you do, unless you start deleting threads?

Wouldn't the domain be blocked by filters no matter what you do, unless you start deleting threads?

Tbh, it's something I'm researching into at the moment.

Currently it could work much like a search engines do, a bots sent out to spider a site, the site is then caches, the cache is then processed by filters to identify the content and the filter is then relayed to individual clients (on a call by call basis) or blocklist's

The other variant is that Humans manually go through the pages in the Cache and define their own censorship ratings, which obviously costs a lot more in the long run and takes a lot longer to do.

In either case it doesn't answer whether their blocklists are "dynamic" or not. Does the rating chance per "Indexing" or is the first index ultimately the ratings set that site is lumbered with.

In honesty, this has actually got me tangenting and looking at the implication of an entirely new project, that's unrelated to the forum.

no..........

dont read it if you dont like it barbie, FFS can't you understand by now??


we need a more mature part of this forum where frankly kids like you dont go and cry to the nearest mod

Oh god, can the mature section be by actual maturity and not by age? Do we really need thread after thread of draqon saying how immoral everyone is?

Agreed. Age does not always equal maturity. Some people are like 17 going on 60, on the other hand I've known people in their 30s and 40s who were emotionally immature enough that they felt the need to denigrate me.

Since this board has always been a Science forum, i do not see how things we are talking about can already not fall into Human Science forum. After all; its all human science aint it? ;)

Should we need to discuss things related to "sex" or how to indulge etc. we could post that in Human science as well, unless you really want separation of concerns, in which case a sub forum would be ok. That can be moderated by couple of guys following standards that you set forth.

Just quick thoughts. I didn't go through the entire chain, sorry.
Rick

If we have a 'mature' section...the rest of the forums will be abandoned in no time.

If we have a 'mature' section...the rest of the forums will be abandoned in no time.

no it wont, because there will always be people interested in science and human rights, just some adults would like to talk like adults without feeling that kids like barbiegirl will go and cry to a mod about what we're saying

So when can we have this Adult section up and running? I would like to make some indecent proposals!!!

if we are having an Adult section, can we have an Asian section there as well. Thanks.

if we are having an Adult section, can we have an Asian section there as well. Thanks.

Are you Asian ?

Are you Asian ?

no, I am Russian, which is basically Euro-Asian. Is Euro-Asian person an Asian? I dunno :shrug:

no, I am Russian, which is basically Euro-Asian. Is Euro-Asian person an Asian? I dunno :shrug:

So you're not Asian.. what makes you think you won't be prohibited from the Asian section ? :D

So you're not Asian.. what makes you think you won't be prohibited from the Asian section ? :D

what?! :eek: Why would I be prohibited? ! :bugeye:

And yes I am Asian, Russia is mostly Asia...so I am Asian. And since I am Asian, I need Asian girls.

Asian girls are so pretty, smart, intelligent, and healthy.

what?! :eek: Why would I be prohibited? ! :bugeye:

Because you are not Asian.

Because you are not Asian.

Yes I am!

Yes I am!

No you aren't, you're Caucasian.

No you aren't, you're Caucasian.

no I am not, I am Euro-Asian...but since Russia is mostly Asian...we can safely say I am Asian, I just look Caucasin.

Asian girls are so pretty, smart, intelligent, and healthy.

Draqon, this is not the How to kill a thread? thread!!! :eek:

Draqon, this is not the How to kill a thread? thread!!! :eek:

oh right, sorry.

yes getting back on topic.

Yes we should have Age limited section of Forum. But it should include a sub-section for Asian delights in it.

...Yes we should have Age limited section of Forum. But it should include a sub-section for Asian delights in it.

and that's what I'm afraid of. :rolleyes:

i agree, draqon shouldnt be alowed

i agree, draqon shouldnt be alowed

what?! :eek: but, why?

oh right, sorry.

yes getting back on topic.

Yes we should have Age limited section of Forum. But it should include a sub-section for Asian delights in it.

draqon.....GO AWAY!!!

As I said in the other thread: (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1954105#post1954105)

If this place puts in an "Adult Section" and relegates all discussions of "adult" matters there or starts requiring a "Not Safe for Kids" disclaimer for posts, that's when I stop coming here.

I can't stand capitualation to unnecessary censorship and political correctness.

I don't mind simple rules regarding overt sexuality and an effort to keep a science site from degrading into a vulgar, offensive site, but there has to be a line.
This isn't pre-school and people should be able to address adult topics, sexuality, psychology and philosophy.
Those who are offended by adult discussion are obviously too immature to be here, so they should not be here - as opposed to requesting all other members to be "sensitive" to the immature minority.

While you're at it, censor racial bullshit and other overtly offensive material, but don't go overboard.

Stryder are you asking for a porn section or something?, You can discuss any other mature content freely.


peace.

No, he wasn't. I made a joke about the Adult section (instead of calling it Mature) and Draqon ran away with it...

If this place puts in an "Adult Section" and relegates all discussions of "adult" matters there or starts requiring a "Not Safe for Kids" disclaimer for posts, that's when I stop coming here.
Me too.

What this is really about is cowardice...the mods simply will not enforce the rules and ban repeat offenders.

Stryder are you asking for a porn section or something?, You can discuss any other mature content freely.


peace.

I think the terming "Mature Section" was read wrongly by a number of people to suggest "Sexual threads". I really just meant *At the the time* somewhere where younger people weren't. However as I've mentioned in the threads (perhaps not this one) I've re-analysed it that it's basically up to Parents to police/censor their children on the internet. However this still doesn't stop various corporations from censoring the site due to content which might have to be made members only or toned down in regards to discussion type.

For instance the Racial Bigotry is not Science, it's Hate speech for the most part no matter what snake oil's slapped round it.

Me too.

What this is really about is cowardice...the mods simply will not enforce the rules and ban repeat offenders.

Actually If I was to pull up on rules right now, everyone that singled out Barbiegirl would be banned for a duration. Since a number stalked her, abused her and pretty much went against forum rules/policy in doing so. (This is not a statement of being pro-barbie but the fact that the sites rules which are suppose to exist have been ignored.)

Barbie wasn't the first person that people Ganged up on and Chased off, there was of course Sandy. Again it's not about what content these posters placed on this forum but the fact that they were ganged up on. Before Sandy it was Anti-Moderator semantics, which of course is appearing again when people tend to lose direction in regards to what they are arguing about.

So for future reference a warning to all:

Singling out, Stalking and Abusing a member of this forum as an individual or a group is a Permanent Ban Offence.
It will not be tolerated on this forum any more, you have been warned.

Be very careful when joking about people stalking you too.

draqon.....GO AWAY!!!

STOP STALKING ME!!! :mad:

Actually If I was to pull up on rules right now, everyone that singled out Barbiegirl would be banned for a duration.
Singled out....for what?

The argument here is that mods cant enforce the rules because too many people break them.

Fine, change the rules...or ban a dozen members and be done with it.

However this still doesn't stop various corporations from censoring the site due to content which might have to be made members only or toned down in regards to discussion type.



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i load the third page of new posts
you know the drill

i'd hazard a guess that 90 odd % of sci posts is of a scientific bent

7% is draq's inanities

3% the rest of us tards

of course, if the servers were relocated to china, we better tone the shit down, ja?

/scared

Gustav if the servers were moved to china the sexual content would be the least of our worries:p

I wonder how much (if not all) of this site is blocked in china

I would find out, however I don't think I could get a Chinese proxy to connect back out to us.

I'm closing this thread, Guys and Girls your feedback has been useful, thanks for your participation in this thread.