View Full Version : Afghanistan, yeah... ehm... we don't what we are doing!


nico
09-14-03, 08:18 PM
Battles rage across Afghanistan
Monday, September 1, 2003 Posted: 0622 GMT ( 2:22 PM HKT)

KABUL, Afghanistan -- Casualties are mounting in Afghanistan as U.S.-backed Afghan forces fight their most deadly battles against Taliban rebels since the regime was ousted in late 2001.

The U.S. military says four suspected al Qaeda fighters and two U.S. soldiers were killed in fighting in Afghanistan's eastern Paktika province on Sunday.

Meanwhile, as many as 1,000 U.S.-backed Afghan forces are fighting a similar number of Taliban guerrillas in the rugged mountain peaks of southern Afghanistan, according to wire reports.

Afghan officials said more than 40 Taliban fighters were killed in an attack in Zabol on Monday. The Pentagon has put the death toll at 14. (Full story)

Backed by American Special Operations troops and U.S. Air Force airstrikes, the clashes in Zabol have led to the deaths of as many as 90 Taliban fighters in a week, an Afghan official told Reuters news agency.

Much of the bloodshed has been blamed on the militia, which has declared a "jihad," or holy war on foreign troops, aid organizations and their supporters, and seems to be regrouping.

The fighting is the worst wave of violence and involves the largest concentration of fighters from the hardline Taliban regime since it was driven from power by a U.S.-led campaign.

Afghan officials say their intelligence indicates more than 250 Taliban reinforcements have arrived from the neighboring district of Mizan.

U.S. deaths

A U.S.-led coalition is helping Afghan forces.
In Eastern Afghanistan, three American troops were attacked while on an overnight combat mission outside Shkin, in the province south of Kabul, U.S. central command said in a statement on Sunday.

It did not say who the suspected assailants were, but recent attacks on Afghan government forces in Paktika have been blamed on Taliban guerrillas crossing from Pakistan.

A quick-reaction force from a nearby American base responded to the attack, but it is not clear how many suspected al Qaeda fighters were involved.

Two U.S. soldiers died after fighting the unknown attackers, and a third coalition soldier was in stable condition after being evacuated to Bagram Air Base. (Full story)

A recent upsurge in attacks by the Taliban -- the Islamic militia that ruled most of Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 -- has wreaked havoc in Afghanistan.

Numerous Afghan police and soldiers have been killed as they hunt for hundreds of militants.

A U.S. Special Operations soldier died Friday from injuries received in a separate incident -- an accidental fall during a night combat assault in the province of Zabol, southwest of Kabul, according to Central Command.

More fighting was reported in the same area again on Saturday. (Full story)

The U.S.-led coalition has around 11,500 soldiers hunting for remnants of the Taliban and the al Qaeda network of Osama bin Laden it once sheltered.

The Bush administration is expected to announce in coming weeks a major increase in aid to Afghanistan in an effort to boost reconstruction in the country.

Related citations:

Taliban regrouping (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/08/afghanistan.taliban/index.html)

Afghanistan is desperate! (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/07/otsc.amanpour/index.html)

Yum! the situation is seemingly getting worse and worse. The Afghani ppl have now had ample time to have a safe and secure nation. Yet even Kabul (only patrolled city) is still unsafe, and there are constant assinations, and attempts on pro-US government officials. The country is having a resuragance of Talibano's in Herat, and seemingly in the East on the Pakistani border regions whose borders are notoriously porous. It seems the US has bitten a apple that is really rotten here. Afghanistan is ruled by association, what I mean by that is some warloads are allied with the US and get cred. the question becomes what will happen when the US and the Afghani government have to actually attack these former allies for a united Afghanistan. That of course assumes that Karzai is elected, and of course that the Afghani ppl want it. I really feel that the US and the world community are lost in Afghanistan there is no plan. Like Iraq I think the situation will only get worse. Nothing has been accomplished in Afghanistan, illegitimate government, Taliban still around, Omar and Bin Laden dancing in Pakistan. Progress Ameircan style::rolleyes:

And before I hear any comparison to Japan or Germany remember this:

) Both countires were westernized prior to WWII (yes even Japan).
ii) Both had a history of home grown democracy.
ii) The political phil. of both states were throughly routed, Bath'ism is not.
iii) There leaders killed themselves, or were killed. *thus resolution.
iv) In Japan there was a authority higher then the US the emperor who in return for amensty would accept American occupation.
v) Both countries were completely and utterly destroyed.
vi) They started their wars and they knew they wraught them on themselves.
vii) There was a PLAN to leave these countries! *scandalous.
viii) There was polticial will on the part of the home countries to re-build these countries.
ix) The US wasn't the only one to "rebuild" nations.
x) There religions don't speak of Jihad, or Fatwah against infidel's on there lands.
xi) Most political opponants were killed in purges in the 30's and 40's, thus there was one line which most followed.

nico
09-14-03, 08:56 PM
Sorry about the title my stupidity on that one.

We don't KNOW what we are doing!

:)

Microzoft
09-15-03, 12:50 AM
The way in which we do it when we don’t have a plan actually resembles a comprehensive plan. It’s a non planned plan a valid plan?:bugeye:

nico
09-15-03, 03:00 PM
You know I would actually see Rums, or Wolfowitz saying that. Incompetent fools they should be threatened with a good ole lynching so they don't come back to washington. Same with the grand daddy Perle. About 50 million ppl without a direction, and the road leads to the US and it ain't the yellow brick one either.

Guru
09-16-03, 09:01 AM
http://staugustine.com/stories/052502/nat_739557.shtml

A year back Bush administration had assured EU that it would not invade Iraq...there was not even a mention of WMDs ...

Afghanistan was a good choice to look for Terrorists and Finish off Taliban ...but for some unknown reasons (which would be instrumental in all sorts of Conspiracy theories) we left Afghanistan with handful of soldiers, forgot about 9-11 and just pounced on a oil rich nation.

US has the might of taking over any country it desires ... but does that make it right ....we do not want to support the third world nations and keep on giving $300 Billion subsidy to our already rich land owners while farmers in Asia and Africa starve...

No fucking wonder our Foreign policies are all screwed up... and then when someone attacks us they say that Terrorist do not like our democracy and way of living ...
Nico
Just wanted to add these points to your main thread of confused American policy in Afghanistan...hope you find it relevant.

cosmictraveler
09-16-03, 09:25 AM
Just ask yourself this, has America or England had a terrorist bombing since the invasion of Afghanistan............NO! That's enough said.

guthrie
09-16-03, 10:04 AM
But the UK didnt have a terrorist attack before then. well, not from AL Qaeda, most of it was the IRA. COme to think of it, hasnt there been an IRA attack in the past 2 years?

Then of course if you dont get it right in Afghanistan, you sow the seeds for future terrorist attacks.

Guru
09-16-03, 01:25 PM
Cosmic Traveller,

What is your point !!

American and Western interest were attacked in so many countries around the world ...they were always under attack and that status has not changed.

for your reference

Saudi Bombing - American Community was attacked
Bali- Australian Citizens
Karachi - German Engineers
Israel - American Tourist killed

What has changed is our Tax $$ will land up with Halliburton, and defence contracts ...instead of securing civil contracts.

You may create a wave of fear and then when nothing happens pat on your back saying I made you aware and hence saved your lives...

Thanks but no Thanks.!!

skywalker
09-16-03, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Guru
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Guru, thanks for your reponse in previous post. I tried to intimade you intentionly. I have indains roots as well and in no way I intended any insult. Sorry if you felt that way. I still thinks that author has no crediblity since they are the same poeple who said abotu Iraq's threat and WMD Bullshit they invented and lied to america and the world.

nico
09-16-03, 05:18 PM
Just ask yourself this, has America or England had a terrorist bombing since the invasion of Afghanistan............NO! That's enough said.

Ask yourself this, who is being killed in Iraq by Al Qaeda? That's right Americans and the Brits. So please spare me. :rolleyes:

ranxer
09-16-03, 06:12 PM
i didnt read any responses yet.. but i say
Yes the bush administration has a plan..

a. push and push until the middle east (name yer favorite 'enemy' of the us or isreal) strikes back(other than baathists or alqaeda) then the administration has an excuse to
b. re-start bombing the crap outta whoever struck back in order to
c. pass new 'anti-terrorist' laws during a reign of 'terrorist fear' and undermine more democracy in any countries that have a populist movement.

this is the same tactic the imperialist powers have been using almost forever.

at least that's how i see it. just like rounding up innocent middle easterners in the US.. it wasnt for security reasons.. it was to push people into striking back so clamping down is justified and questions to the administration are put off as long as possible.

nico
09-16-03, 06:28 PM
Oh Ran, no one denies that part of the planning they have the "faux-crisis" down to the tee, and the De-stablization of the ME since 1998. What Plan I am talking about is how to actually with the terrorists and the general maliase in these countries, of course I am assuming that anarchy is not the plan itself. :D

Guru about your lists for the terrorist attacks:

Kenya-2003 (Israeli)
West/Russia- (possible smuggling of arms)

Guru
09-22-03, 03:16 PM
Nico,
It seems your thread has got some new blood.... Bush now will be asking for some help from UN members...the same members it said "Fuck you we are going ahead in Iraq" in a very (how do I put it )with 2-middle-fingers-in-the-air type of attitude...

It will be quite a feat .. first Powell goes in with fake intell and now Bush goes in with no Intell


:D

ranxer
09-22-03, 05:52 PM
sorry, yea you know what i mean.. i have a hard time being positive about anything bush is doing.. i see nothing but plans of complete corporate fascism.

i'm not up to speed on the UN but i sure hope they make stiff
demands of bush to change his attitude.

i'm soo pissed at this administration i don't know what to do half the time.