i do not know anything about the taliban and Afhgnistan but i found this article on the net. i was wondering what you guys think and also is it true :bugeye: ?






LECTURE: Taliban in Afghanistan

Syed Rahmatullah Hashimi

(Senior Advisor to Amir ul-Mu'mineen, Mullah 'Umar, Afghanistan)

MARCH 10, 2001

UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA,

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA

*Note: [--] Indicate words that were not heard clearly in the recording.

I was just coming from [a meeting with] a group of scholars, and the first thing we started there was the statues. And the first thing we started here was also the statues. It s very unfortunate how little we see and how little we know. And it really confuses me, if people really know that
little or not. Nobody has seen the problems of Afghanistan; nobody saw their problems before. And the only thing that represents Afghanistan today are the statues.

The problem of Afghanistan was not new. As you know that Afghanistan is called, The Crossroads of Asia. So, we are suffering because of our geo-strategic location. We have suffered in the 18th century, 19th century, and we are still suffering in this century.

We have not attacked the British. We have not attacked the Russians. It was them who attacked us. So the problems in Afghanistan you see is not our creation. That reflects the image of the world. If you don t like the image in the mirror, do not break the mirror; break your face.

The problems in Afghanistan started in 1979. Afghanistan was a peaceful country and it was doing its own job. The Russians, along with their 140,000 troops attacked Afghanistan in the December of 1979, just 21 years ago, stayed there for a decade, killed one and a half million people, maimed one million more people, and six million out of the eighteen million people migrated because of the Russian brutalities. Even today, our children are dying because of the landmines that they planted for us. And nobody knows about this.

After the Russians left during the Russian occupation, on the other side, the American government, the British government, the French, the Chinese, and all of the rest, supported the counter-revolutionaries called the Mujahideen; 7 parties only in Pakistan and 8 parties in Iran who fought the Russian occupation. And after the Russians left, these parties went into Afghanistan. All of them had different ideologies, a lot of weapon[s]. And instead of having a single administration, they fought in Afghanistan. The destruction that they brought was worse than the destruction the Russians brought. 63,000 people were only killed in the capitol, Kabul. Seeing all this chaos, and the complete destruction of our country, and I don t have to forget that after the Soviets left, another million people migrated because of the lawlessness that existed in
Afghanistan 7 million people.

So seeing this destruction and lawlessness, a group of students called the Taliban (Taliban is the plural word of students in our language; it may be two students in Arabic, but in our language it means students) so a group of students started a movement called the Movement of Students. It first started in a village in the southern province of Afghanistan, called Kandahar. It happened when a war-lord, or a commander abducted two minor girls, raped them, and the parents of those girls went to a school and asked the teacher of the school to help them. The teacher of that school, along with his 53 students, finding only 16 guns, went and attacked the base of that commander. After releasing those two girls, they hanged that commander, and so many of their [the commander s] people were also hanged. This story was told everywhere; and this was called the terrorist story of the Taliban, or the Students. BBC also quoted this story. Seeing or hearing this story, many other students joined this movement and started disarming the rest of the warlords, who were worse than these. I will not prolong this story so far, this same students movement controls 95% of the country; they captured the capitol, including the four major cities. And only a bunch of those warlords are remaining in the northern corridor of Afghanistan.

So our achievements are as follows. We are in a government for only five years, and the following things that we have done, and many of you may not know:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/Taliban/talebanlec.html

Mod note: try to cut down on post size, if from a site post link and extract a few quotes of interest.

Obviously, we haven't heard the last of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

I've been reading this link. It's actually rather interesting. We don't even have anything close to the true story of what the Taliban may or may not have been in Afghanistan. The positive or negative effects they may have had. The positive or negative effects removing them may or may not have had.

But, I found this line rather amusing:

And we are not against Buddhists; absolutely wrong. We are not against any religion. There are Hindus living in Afghanistan; there are different religions. There is one man who is a Jew living in Afghanistan.

I bet that they're keeping a close eye on that one Jew. What do you think? ;)

They used to say that Mussolini always kept the trains running on time.

I bet that they're keeping a close eye on that one Jew. What do you think?
don't you know who was responsible for 9/11?

the peaceful head-choppers had a convention recently and had finally agreed on what happend and how Jews had carried out their plot:
Allah hypnotized the Mossad to send operatives to Afghanistan who then manipulated bin-Laden to manipulate 15 Saudis and others to manipulate the airplanes into the buildings.

that "one Jew" was obviously a Mossad agent. DUHHH!

it was not Muslims who congured that conspiracy theory up it was first posted on a conspiracy site a few months after the event. and the theories i heard aren't about how Jews made the terrorists do it but how they made America let it happen.

preacher x, yeah warlords weren't the best thing that happened to afghanistan, and neither was the taliban. when a soccer stadium becomes a beheading site that kind of throws the wrench into their "we brought peace to afghanistan" argument. also sponsoring terrorist camps isn't a good sign either. every government's story sounds good in the history books when it comes from them. when i was a kid in poland, they changed history books one year, and i found out that the russians actually invaded in 1939. that was quite a shock considering none of that was taught in schools the years prior.

Let’s be realistic here the Taliban were not worth it. They were not only repressive but regressive, and I don’t think that most Afghani’s particularly favored that. The Taliban did offer much security and safety in Afghanistan after the collapse of the Alliance forces, but they were ruthless. What is odd about the war in Afghanistan is that the US legally did not fight the state of Afghanistan, the reason being that the Taliban were not the official head of Afghanistan. I did and do support the NATO effort in Afghanistan, imo they were justified in going in, and they can do some real good there. In reality anyone can, the country is destroyed. So imo the trade off is not worth it, although the NATO effort in Afghanistan has largely failed. Yes the Taliban are coming back slowly creeping back, and it’s our own ineffectual policy in Afghanistan and America’s idiotic invasion of Iraq that again has put Afghanistan in trouble.

i dont konw much about the Taliban but what makes them so bad? i heard about a lot of torture and things... is oit true? and why did America support them?

i dont konw much about the Taliban but what makes them so bad?ask the afghan people that,

if you ask westerners, like me, all you'll get is liberal ideas & ideals, the main problem was religious intolerance; burqahs, sharia law, etc...

yes the statues are very important, from a time before islam, because it was no longer an afghan relic, but a part of world history. BTW, who do you think built those statues, foreigners?
No, it was afghans themselves, use the web to educate yourself

what would you think would be the outcome if muslim extremists blow up the pyramids or other relics of the pharoahic past? They no longer belong to the egyptian people, they are a world treasure

i heard about a lot of torture and things... is oit true? check at least 3 sources; CNN, BBC & al-jazeera, see if there is any supporting evidence either way

and why did America support them?US did not support Taliban, it was the pakistani CIA after the soviets left,

the US supported the muhajadeen. why you ask? because we wanted to make the soviets bleed. why didn't we stay to help? because we didn't really care what happened to afghanistan, we only wanted to twist the knife into the russians. after victory, we left. same as Iraq after the first Gulf War, why didn't we finish off Saddam, because we didn't really care for the Iraqi people, we even instigated a revolt by the Shi'ia, then left them to the slaughter. see if we stick around for this second go round?

i dont konw much about the Taliban but what makes them so bad?

The Taliban were really bad, so are most factions in Afghanistan I am not saying that the Taliban are exclusively bad, but they were bad enough to get rid of. That is not the reason why the US got rid of the Taliban, but it’s a fortunate consequence.

and why did America support them?

Real Politik.

Soviets did NOT attack Afghanistan. Soviet troops were "invited" by the legitimate Afgan government fearing about its existence. Soviet troops were fighting together with government troops against guerillas. American troops were also invited to the South Vietnam by its government. Soviets would have created a stable Afgan government if not for the American meddling. Equally, USA would have defended Southern Vietnam government if not of the Soviet help to the North. I doubt Soviets could have created communist/socialist government in Afghanistan. Nobody jumps from tribal feudal state into socialism in 10 years.

Preacher X;
Thanks for sharing that article. It provides another perspective to the complexity of understanding cultures and sociopolitical events.

Curious that “Taliban” meaning students and possibly the salvation army as a revolution against the warlords, turn themselves to be the warlords, oppressing the population, profiting from the warlords that they pact with and didn’t liquidate…. One would think that labeling themselves with “students”, a group of lowlifes would among other things, promote education to all men as their right, but no.

….Instead, they become as brutal as the brutality they got started to correct, to say the least.
:rolleyes:

The Taliban were bad dudes!
Since their downfall, production of Afganistans most profitable export has risen by 300%!
If it wasn't for good old uncle sam I'd still be paying $50 a bag for my heroin:(
Dee Cee

If it wasn't for good old uncle sam I'd still be paying $50 a bag for my heroin:(
Dee Cee

:o you'll will pay with something more precious then a couple of $ anyhow!!

you'll will pay with something more precious then a couple of $ anyhow!!

:eek:
Whats more precious than $$$?

Call yourself an American?
Your going straight to hell you commie pinko!
Dee Cee

ok back on topic eh?

How about find some links on all the horrible thing the Taliban did and obviously lied about in this conference, instead of talking about how much it cost to shoot up.