As abductees, how is it that we can be who we are?

Delusional paranoia? :)

:m: Peace.

How could it be that you would not be who you are?

That's interesting, three entirely different perspectives on a single question?

How could that be?

Expectations maybe – we carry our expectations with us as we take in the world around us. Even having no expectations, takes into account that we have none.

Maybe I should rephrase; as abductees, what enables us to be who we are?

The underlying question here is, what ‘are’ abductees – what purpose do they serve? Nothing exists without purpose.

Abductee is simply a name derived from one apparent facet of the entire process.

Rather like calling children who are taken to school, ‘School Bus Riders’.

There is a lot more going on here than simply riding the school bus.

Likewise, abductees are more than simply abductees.

yeah yeah... more enlightened.... blah blah blah.

When are you going to stop claiming to be special and start demonstrating why you're so special?

Careful there, James... you're just askin' for the ol' anal probe! ;)

:m: Peace.

Originally posted by James R
yeah yeah... more enlightened.... blah blah blah.

When are you going to stop claiming to be special and start demonstrating why you're so special?

These are your words and not my own – how would you suggest that I prove your words? Isn’t it up to you to prove your own words?

lets see:
1. We live out in the country, so they can come down ad get us easily.
2. We become paralyzed by fear of small gray aliens with big black eyes, making it very easy for them to drag us away
3. We become easily traumatized so we forget the hours of anal rape, and think that nothing happened at all.
4. We are usually stupid and moronic so no one will believe are story even if we do remember.

Originally posted by goofyfish
Careful there, James... you're just askin' for the ol' anal probe! ;)

:m: Peace.

LMAO....Oh Goofy...you're comments are always welcomed being so witty they are.:D

As for the thread starter..is their some reason you believe you are a abductee..any memories or actual physical scars that remain from such "abduction".

Originally posted by Dearprudence
So, you're saying that abductees have, not a special, but perhaps a necessary profile required as a prerequisite, and that that's what you're exploring? But it's my understanding that abductees come in all shapes and colours... no distinctions as to class, status, education, etc. So perhaps the required profile of an abductee is something beyond the mundane.

That's an interesting point.

Apart from our abductions, who are abductees? What purpose do they serve?

Are they/we 'lab rats' or the first batch of genetically altered humans to populate the world?

If, for example, all abductees were genetically altered, and if abductees made up only *5% of the general populace, it wouldn't take long (i.e., many generations) for that genetic alteration to become prevalent throughout the general population.

Logic would indicate that there is a purpose at work with respect to abductions. What that purpose might be, is the question.

*(5% is simply a number mentioned by John Mack's group at one point in time - the actual number may be more or less than that - there are no figures other than that that I am aware of)

Originally posted by Jocariah
The underlying question here is, what ‘are’ abductees – what purpose do they serve? Nothing exists without purpose.


Abductees are any person who has been abducted. In this instance and on this forum we all assume, though that you are talking specifically about those people who claim to have at one time or another been abducted by Aliens.

As for purpose, it may be true that there is no effect without cause, but there is still cause without purpose. Alien abduction isn't some sort of philosophical thing, it's just a delusion.

Originally posted by Jocariah
These are your words and not my own – how would you suggest that I prove your words? Isn’t it up to you to prove your own words?

You have claimed on a number of occasions that abductees are somehow superior to other people, that is your claim, not that of James R.

He's just wondering when you are going to substantiate this claim, and frankly so am I.

It makes it difficult to have a conversation with anyone who continually misquotes me.

Don't be lazy Mystech, take the time, and make the effort to quote me verbatim, and I will be happy to respond.

I have never used the term 'superior' to describe abductees.

Your misinterpretation of what it is that I have said is your own concern, and not mine.

When wanting to engage someone conversationally, and not understanding what it is that they are saying – simply ask for clarification on whatever you wish to explore.

Being imprecise and sloppy with the terms that one chooses to use does not relegate me to the same.

Cheers

I assumed that you would view someone who is more "enlightened" (the specific term which you have been using) to be in some way superior (at least on an intellectual level) If this is not the case, then I'd have to ask again, what phenomenon you are trying to describe, but as you've already shown you won't answer that question.

Just don't act so confused when people don't understand what the hell you're trying to talk about. Just because it may seem clear in your head doesn't mean that you have communicated the idea in such a way that would allow others to understand you.

Originally posted by Dearprudence
...abductees describe a history of recurrent abduction scenarios, and always with the uncanny feeling that they are being monitored. Exactly. Classic paranoid delusion....they discover that their parents and sometimes grandparents confess of odd and dark "adventures".Evidence that genetic susceptibility could be a factor in these delusions.

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The purpose of abductees could be anything, what do you want it to be?
It could be the obvious, that the aliens need genetic samples from a diverse set of humanity.
They could also alter your genetics, making you mutants. Alien-human hybrids.
They are just sadistic by nature.
But the deeper meaning of abductees as such is hard to find. Many small reasons come to mind, but no big one.
Maybe you are allowed a glimpse into an alien world so that you can spread the word that they are here, to prepare people for a more formal visit.
But the methods they use are so startling that it really makes one wonder if they have any braincells at all.
Maybe they are showing themselves to the abductees as a warning of what could become of humanity if we don't start taking a more empathic and loving approach towards existance as such, treating the Earth and eachother a little bit more compassionate. How about giving up war as a small starter?
The aliens are the future us, trying to communicate through abductions.
Or maybe just picking up fresh genes, since the ones they got are so damaged.

The urge to save humanity is almost
always a false face for the urge to rule it.
___ -- Henry Louis Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Goofy, the only way for humanity to be saved is to let me rule.
:D

the only way for humanity to be saved is to let me rule.Most certainly, my Queen. ;)

Another thought, concerning the feeling of specialness that is so common among abductees. Thankfully, I haven't experienced the horrors of the anal probing myself, but I can imagine such an abusive action would force your mind to come up with a REALLY good explanation and deeper meaning for your suffering.

What was then?

"They" have been telling me in my head to kill Michael Jackson for years... should I?

abductions heh....its someone crying out for attention

I dont think they are real .....seriously why would they need too hide their tracks? cause big bad america has awesome armies and planes mwhahahaha if aliens come we are allll dead ALL DEAD!!!!!

Hahaha
Jocariah, say you really are being abducted, how does this make you as a human being special? I wonder if the fish people catch and throw back go and tell the other fish that they are "chosen ones". Probably not, because the other fish would kick their ass.

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
Hahaha
Jocariah, say you really are being abducted, how does this make you as a human being special? I wonder if the fish people catch and throw back go and tell the other fish that they are "chosen ones". Probably not, because the other fish would kick their ass.

Interesting analogy.
Don't fishermen throw back the sub-standard fish -the runts- and keep the good ones?:bugeye:

Originally posted by Dearprudence
...when abductees speak of feeling "monitored", they are pointing to a specific brand of "paranoia" that aptly describes an overwhelming power external to socio-phenomena.And how do they determine that this feeling is external? A problem with delusions is that there is no way for the individual who is experiencing them can distinguish them from reality. The whole group of those who claim to be abductees might, in truth, be suffering from folie a deux - self-perpetuating, induced psychosis, where they share a delusional belief with others (abductees).

Can we show that this is not the case?

:m: Peace.


By the way, I appreciate you being the first person, in more than
a year, who appears to be willing to discuss this possibility.

quote...
Rather like calling children who are taken to school, ‘School Bus Riders’
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LOL
that soo rocks!

and for those that are forced to go: "School Bus Abductees"

All of these responses have been very interesting - thank you for sharing your opinions.

Abductees, by virtue of the abduction experience, are a vastly more enlightened breed. While others may entertain the idea of the existence of beings of a higher order, intellectualizing about the possibility, abductees know first hand, from direct interactions with these beings, that such creatures exist.

Abductees have been forced by way of these interactions, to reevaluate and integrate their experiences into their paradigm, into their view of reality and their belief systems.

Simply acknowledging that beings of a higher order may exist, will never take the place of the actual experiencing of the matter.

One thing that all abductees share is the privilege of having their consciousness expanded, by way of their abduction experiences. They have all become enlightened at the hands of their so-called abductors.

Which, I guess, is why so many of them become wandering
vagrants in tattered clothing, or wild-haired "prophets" that
stagger down the sidewalks mumbling to themselves, eh?

:m: Peace.

Whatever we are we are - nothing can change that. We, all of us, are the product of a higher order. Who among us determined to create themselves, and then did?

We are all 'the created'.

That being the case how is it that we can infer that some of us because of our station in life, mental capabilities or emotional states are somehow less.

How do we judge some as being less, when they nor we had a hand in our genetic structure, that underlying blueprint that goes about to determine who we are.

It seems that arrogance and ignorance are oftentimes allies.

Originally posted by Bebelina

It could be the obvious, that the aliens need genetic samples from a diverse set of humanity.


I would hardly state that as obvious... there is yet to be any documented hard proof or facts that sentient aliens even exist

sentient aliens is the question, aliens with a major anal fetish that’s more likely based off the circumstantial evidence.

Originally posted by JoojooSpaceape
"... there is yet to be any documented hard proof or facts that sentient aliens even exist"

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
sentient aliens is the question, aliens with a major anal fetish that’s more likely based off the circumstantial evidence.

'sentient aliens', as opposed to what - insentient ones?

as opposed to insane, impulsive ones.

Merriam-Webster Online

Main Entry: sen·tient

Pronunciation: 'sen(t)-sh(E-)&nt, 'sen-tE-&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin sentient-, sentiens, present participle of sentire to perceive, feel
Date: 1632
1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions
2 : Aware
3 : finely sensitive in perception or feeling
- sen·tient·ly adverb


Main Entry: in·sen·tient

Pronunciation: (")in-'sen(t)-sh(E-)&nt
Function: adjective
Date: 1764
1 : lacking perception, consciousness, or animation
- in·sen·tience /-sh(E-)&n(t)s/ noun


I guess my point was how could aliens be 'sentient aliens'?

Are there some aliens that are ‘insentient’; that is to say unconscious, comatose, cataleptic or lifeless?

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
as opposed to insane, impulsive ones.

Okay, I think I understand it now - a 'sentient' or consciously aware alien as opposed to an insane and impulsive one. How exactly does one differentiate between an insane, and impulsive alien, and a normal one?

Or is it that all aliens are insane and impulsive as part of their make-up?

lets see: aliens that constantly abduct people (the kind of people few believe) and never announce them self officially, then do constant, usually sexually experiment many time involving things going in and out of the abductee 's orifices, sometime even having sex with the abductees. Now you would think that a truly advance alien race would only need to take some blood and MRIs and have all they need but no they have to use humans as their own personal sex slaves. That I call insane and impulsive and not equivalent but below common human sentients.

Walking into an operating room, seeing a man's chest laid wide open, his beating heart exposed to the world, might seem as an insanely bizarre happening; unless one knew the reason behind the events at hand.

Just because we may not understand the reasons behind the abduction phenomena, doesn’t mean that those reasons don’t exist.

It’s important to remember that those creatures of a higher order do not waste their efforts – they have reasons behind what they do, whether known to us or not.