Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas said Tuesday that
he will not crack down on armed Palestinian groups, despite being urged by America and Israel to do so.

Can we trust him ? Does he choose for Palestine more than for his own PA survival ? I dont think so ........ but lets see what time brings us .

* Cracking down on Hamas, Jihad and the Palestinian organizations is not an option at all"
* We are applying the law which we accepted under the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, and that is what we will do.

:)

Meanwhile, Israeli policemen fatally shot an Arab citizen

An act of courage for a legislated & acknowledged officer against possibletewrorwrist /
:rolleyes:

http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=254797&lang=e&dir=news

* the killing (i heard it was wounding) of the arab citizen is an extremely rare occurance
* abbas's refusal to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure is non-fulfillment of the obligations of the roadmap.

if they're not dismantled the roadmap is bound to fail. it's that simple.
also, for israel to release the prisoners into an athmosphere where there's still an infrustructure of terror is plain stupid.

* the killing (i heard it was wounding) of the arab citizen is an extremely rare occurance

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

abbas's refusal to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure is non-fulfillment of the obligations of the roadmap.

1)show evidence
2)u cant ask to dismantle military when there is no state so that there can be conventional forces . But we know u dont want those either , no what you want is just your way with everything . Sorry not happening

if they're not dismantled the roadmap is bound to fail. it's that simple.

then its failed already because nobody ever agreed to such dismantlement

also, for israel to release the prisoners into an athmosphere where there's still an infrustructure of terror is plain stupid.

it is . however it wouldnt really matter there are enough men available . so in that sense has a positive balance of value as it can be used as bargon

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i see you've made not-making-sense-or-having-any-point your permanant style of debate

show evidence
go find a link on the net with the road map's obligations (plz dont go to any arab propagnda site but some place official and respectable) and you'll see all the evidence you want.

and they're not military. they're "irregulars".
they don't have popular support... they have some support. they're a direct threat to PA's [the official Palestinian gov't] authority.
state or no state, it's irrelevant.
conventional forces are operating in parts of Gaza now. PA's police force.

i see you've made not-making-sense-or-having-any-point your permanant style of debate

Your claim of arab citizens being killed OR wounded (lol) to be an extreme rare occurance is hilarious . That has little to do with any style of any debate I am simply laughing at you .

and they're not military. they're "irregulars".

they will be military when there will be a state . Thats how you get rid of them . Just like Israel got rid of LEHI and Irgun . Todays Lehi-version rules , maybe 55 years from now Hamas will do the same in Palestine ?

Yes we know you dont like that , but hey :
If you can , so can we .

they don't have popular support... they have some support

They hold 30% with Islamic Jihad .

they're a direct threat to PA's [the official Palestinian gov't] authority.

Authority cannot be considered official as there is no state that can back their legitimacy up , yes your state but hey ....... lol

And no they're much more of a threat to Israel then to PA , however PA is greatest threat to Israel as they are big . Israel is the one who is trying them played out against eachother , Israel incites PA to create conflict with hamas so that Israel can profit from Palestinian instability .

state or no state, it's irrelevant.

No its not , they're the Palestinian resistance as long as there is no state .

conventional forces are operating in parts of Gaza now. PA's police force.

So ?

There's no state . You cnanot dismantle it if there isnt a conventional alternative , and the alternative is not some lame police force but a military in a state of palestine that can protect itself just as good as it could before with militant "irregulars" .

there's an autonomy, there's a national authority.

there's all these factors that make it hard for PA police force to do their work but they're getting there, slowly... under Abbas...he's slowly growing his feathers :D

"if LEHI and Etzel (irgun) did it, so can we"
let's forget for a moment that the situations are very different.
and let's forget that you don't belong to the "we" you're referring to, no matter how hard you try (but that's besides the point).

saying this is just plain childish and unpractical.
dont forget hamas wants 100% of israel. if/when palestinian state is created, hamas will get stronger and more means to carry out their "holly task".

there's an autonomy, there's a national authority.

there's no state

"if LEHI and Etzel (irgun) did it, so can we"
let's forget for a moment that the situations are very different.
and let's forget that you don't belong to the "we" you're referring to, no matter how hard you try (but that's besides the point).


* I dont try to belong to anything , those peoples in Palestine are Arabs & Muslims as am I .

I thought it was zionist argument that all Arabs are the same , is it not ? Also I think an Askenazi zionist from Russia who lives in Canada like yourself , there is not even a remotley relation between yourself and Israel other than some colonizing niece you might have there .

And yes surely there are difference between the Lehi situation then , and Hamas today . The most important difference however is a moral one , as LEHI comes from Europeans and Hamas from Arabs .

saying this is just plain childish and unpractical.

Saying what ?

dont forget hamas wants 100% of israel.

So does Lehi , so did Heirut and so does Likud today .

if/when palestinian state is created, hamas will get stronger and more means to carry out their "holly task".

Today Likud runs the government , so yes you'll probably right .

In any ways you havent provided substantial difference between LEHI and Hamas in their situation . I did and it didnt help your point one bit .

...look man, i'm not gonna get into historical argument with you.
in practicality (as in, the here and the now), these groups must not threaten the authority of the legitimate gov't (state or autonomy, its irrelevant. the point is, they're the leadership).

it's inconceivable that these ppl, and every other pally is armed better than the authority.

check this out:
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/322037.html

...look man, i'm not gonna get into historical argument with you.

lol , u never do . I cant blame you , you simply have no historical knowledge on the facts nor can you create a context in wich you can see the resemblence of historical matters and todays practical situation .

in practicality (as in, the here and the now), these groups must not threaten the authority of the legitimate gov't
(state or autonomy, its irrelevant. the point is, they're the leadership).

Yes that is VERY relevant because if there's no state there can be no conventionality that ensures the safety of the "authority" for it to BE authoritair .

Hey I can point you some Tutus rebel army and say , they're the leadership ..... the leadership of what ? there is no state to represent a uniform body that can be lead .

Dont you understand anything aboput politics ?

No history , no politics , makes me wonder what u do here in the first place , should we just call you the village idiot ?

it's inconceivable that these ppl, and every other pally is armed better than the authority.

in a state

artcile

point ?

im not gonna argue with you cause you make absolutely no sense. trust me i know history...but,
i'll listen to Confucius's advice once again.

also, Tutus are not as organized as hte pallys are. no comparison there. it's completely different cases and situations. jezus, you're such a monkey.

again, i say, to the village idiot, it is irrelevant whether there's a state or autonomy. it's not anarchy. there is a national authority. with official police and official ministers and PM and president.

your thick skull just doesn't seem to be penetrable...i'm not giving up on you yet. there's still hope for you.

the article proves my previous point that it's inconceivable that every other pally is running around with AK-47s and RPGs, and thus more armed than the official police force.
they need to be disarmed. (do i have to spell everything out for you?)

trust me i know history...but,

i'll listen to Confucius's advice once again.

I think you should lay down your analects and read up on your own history , as that is what you consider it to be .

it's completely different cases and situation

The difference comes in (becomes relevant as a difference) where there is a state .

again, i say, to the village idiot

This is just pathetic , can you not even come up with your own insults ? Do you really need to repeat me ?

it is irrelevant whether there's a state or autonomy. it's not anarchy. there is a national authority. with official police and official ministers and PM and president.

So ? Not anarchy doesnt mean autonomy , whats that crap ? They can have whatever you wish , there isnt one group there are more , and you will have to face that as long as there is not a state so there can be national military and the groups can be only political instead of military . Thats what you did just as well , how more hypocrit can u get ?

your thick skull just doesn't seem to be penetrable...i'm not giving up on you yet. there's still hope for you.

WHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

go sit in the corner

the article proves my previous point that it's inconceivable that every other pally is running around with AK-47s and RPGs, and thus more armed than the official police force.
they need to be disarmed. (do i have to spell everything out for you?)

* No not every other pally has AK (they all SHOULD though)
* the fact that the police force is so hopeless proves the necesity of others being armed . If there is a state then you can have a MILITARY like you do , remember the IDF ? Untill then you have groups because there is no structure of a state to back up conventionality ?

When will you ever get this ? This is natural procedure this is what you did as well when you created Israel , I understand that YOU DONT WANT IT but thats not an argument .

You simply hold double standards and expect that its tolerated , usually as you are more powerfull . And when your power is being tested you start crying about how peoples dont tolerate your double standards , I mean what the hell am I talking to a 4 year old here ?

look at you man
:p

I understand that YOU DONT WANT IT but thats not an argument .


Well wibble me an argument I'm in need of some wibble.

This reminds me of the ongoing feud where I live between two street gangs: the Crips and the Bloods. Each constantly spraypaints their gang logo over the other's every night and they constantly are trying to kill each other. They even go so far as to blow away the family members of their rivals for no reason other than that it hurts the other guys.

Hate to tell you this but the Palestinians have now turned into what you claim the Isralies are. Now its not about land, its about putting the other guy in the position you were with intrest.

Deepuz

Well wibble me an argument I'm in need of some wibble.

I wobble you a wabble instead

just leave man , go .

:(

look who's needy :

2 sentence empty post :
Now you've gone and blown it!
Where's your spunk???

2 sentence empty post :
Wow those Euro babies....LOL......moron rules.......Teee heee
That is quite amusing :-)

1 sentence empty post :
Pretty good post until this apathetic nonsense.

on and on forever .

seek help . go . leave . nothing here for you .

Clockwood :

the Crips and the Bloods

You are aware that this compare has a logical structure only in the sense that : violence between 2 groups exist ?

Other than that you might as well have said Nazi Gemany and USSR , as that would have made the same amount of sense to compare with this situation .

Hope you are aware of that .

Hate to tell you this but the Palestinians have now turned into what you claim the Isralies are

I see now the palestinians have a state and PDF with tanks and apache and NUKES and biological and chemical weapons WMD .

Yes I see , turned into what they are .

:rolleyes:

its about putting the other guy in the position you were with intrest.

I see , so the Palestinians are in a wrong position for supposedly desiring to happen to Israel what Israel already did to them ?

Amazing , just amazing . New ethics being designed here , wish over action .

I am sure they would if given the chance and most likely they soon will. Then I figure that palestine will take its newfound weapons of war and attack Israel and the land its remaining lands. If they happen to win Israel and Palestine will again trade places.

hey what can I say ? If we cant solve it , lets switch . :)

Lets say that the sides do switch and Yassar and co are in charge of all of Israel, can you say GK that the Palestinians won't become the aggressor? Would there be _any_ Jews left alive after the first year of power?
I think the world at large looks at it this way:

Israeli's over Palestians, lots of dead Palestians, some dead Israelis.
Palestians over Israelis, every Israeli dead, most Palestians dead too.

I am not trying to say Israeli's lives are more valuable than Palestian lives, I am saying that until Palestians let go of their hate and really really try peace in the face of anger, the world will tend to side against them because the world will have a hard time sitting by as another holocaust happens. I think that Israeli fights so hard in the several wars they have had because they understand its the survival at stake. Not of there country, but of there people. To loose in an attack on Israel is to loose every Jew in Israel is their way of thinking.

One wrong is already happening, two wrongs doesn't make anything better. And once every Israeli is dead, how will their culture survive? Who will they hate then? If hate is all that propels you, it won't stop until it eats the society apart. Or until the hatred ends.

Which will it be for Palestine?