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LORD_VOLDEMORT 04-17-08, 04:36 PM The conservatives attack!!!!!!!!!
Thats what i called it,they literally grilled Barack like a lone zebra surrounded by of lions,Hilary sat there with that ridiculous smirk on her face and shamed the democratic party,does this bitch even know smart voters who have a backbone would never fall for this and this poor move and failed attempt to at least jump in and say""EXCUSE ME GIBSON,WITH ALL RESPECT,I UNDERSTAND CONTROVERSY HAS SURROUNDED OBAMA ON AREAS I DISAGREE WITH HIM,HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GET ON TO THE BIGGER ISSUES AT AND THAT ARE AFFECTING THE NATION""Barack is still her political brother,i doubt he would ever sit and just smirk and keep a bland look strutted across his face while they pounce over Hilary.The bitch totally turned me off,her true colors showed last night and its shocking.Obama held his ground so well,any other candidate including Bill whose face would turned bloodshot red in anger would definetly lose composure.Barack served well.Americans are not stupid,while media outlets claim his debate skills were poor,they also mentioned the national outrage of setting Barack up to be grilled.The conservatives attacked and the polls and blogs are not falling for this crap the 3rd go round.
Poor Obama, people are starting to question him. :bawl::bawl::bawl:
That kind of treatment needs to remain for the "fascist" republicans only damn it !
There-there Obama, it'll be ok.........
LORD_VOLDEMORT 04-17-08, 04:56 PM Poor Obama, people are starting to question him. :bawl::bawl::bawl:
That kind of treatment needs to remain for the "fascist" republicans damn it !
There-there Obama, it'll be ok.........
Poor what?? Lets not exaggerate,Obama handled that political debate professionally,as a debate should be held,the problem is not him,its the fucked up political debate format and poor skill that is the problem,it is a dying breed,Barack is coming with a new generation teaching individuals how to really debate professionally,without cutting people off,without the insults,without becoming furious.The reason most americans still see Barack as the winner of that debate is because they respect his correct debate skills.He didnt catch feelings as the city here puts it.
pjdude1219 04-17-08, 05:07 PM Poor Obama, people are starting to question him. :bawl::bawl::bawl:
That kind of treatment needs to remain for the "fascist" republicans only damn it !
There-there Obama, it'll be ok.........
people have always questioned obama just never on anything of substance
spidergoat 04-17-08, 05:35 PM It's all about ratings and personal attacks. This country's politics are infantile, I respect Obama more every day for taking the high road (for the most part).
Lord Voldemort
Look, I agree that Obama is generally being treated poorly in this cycle, and there is indeed a legitimate question of just how much any one candidate ought to endure. While Hillary is a cackling witch and Obama an unpatriotic radical Muslim elitist, John McCain apparently has credit in the bank so he can misspeak, stumble, and generally enjoy a certain degree of exemption from similar treatment.
But for heaven's sake, man, you're coming off like a rabid, blind propaganda artist. You're not helping Obama. Really. I promise.
Just ... give it some thought.
Anyway, some coverage of the debate, how the press treats Obama, and how the press treats McCain, all from Salon's Glenn Greenwald:
• "The harmony between the Right and the media (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/17/debate/index.html)", April 17, 2008.
• "McCain's repeated 'slips of the tongue' on Iran and al-Qaida (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/19/mccain/)", March 19, 2008
• "The media's special relationship with John McCain (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/20/mccain/)", March 20, 2008
• "Journalists, McCain and the false Iran/al-Qaida link (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/24/mccain/)", March 24, 2008
• "Bush and McCain's shared foreign policy approach (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/28/bush_mccain/)", March 28, 2008
• "The John McCain 'centrism' fallacy (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/31/mccain/)", March 31, 2008
• "The U.S. establishment media in a nutshell (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/05/media/)", April 5, 2008
Just a couple of excerpts:
My favorite (unintentionally revealing) media commentary about the debate is from The Washington Post's Anne Kornblut and Dan Balz (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041604103.html), who devoted paragraph after paragraph to describing the substance-free "issues" that consumed most of the debate -- Obama's "remarks about small-town values, questions about his patriotism and the incendiary sermons of his former pastor . . . gaffes, missteps and past statements" -- and, at the end of the article, they added:
The debate also touched on Iraq, Iran, the Middle East, taxes, the economy, guns and affirmative action.
It's just not possible to express the wretched state of our establishment press better than that sentence does.
Revealingly, not everyone is displeased with Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos' conduct of the debate. To the contrary, two constituencies which frequently work in harmony are quite impressed and very pleased with the whole spectacle -- right-wing noise machine members and establishment journalists.
National Review's Mark Hemingway excitedly declared (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDVhYTdlZjEzODk0NGE5M2NhNjQ0MWY1NzE4MjcxNmE=) that the winner was "McCain by a landslide." Commentary's John Podhoretz said (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/3416): "Good Lord. Charlie Gibson Turns Into Larry Kudlow." Hemingway quoted one of his readers: "What's up with Charlie Gibson tonight? Especially on capital gains. He sounds downright conservative." Separately, Hemingway celebrated (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTg5Mzg3NDI2YjFhOWE1ZjU1ZWZmYTZlOTM0NjU4YzI=): "Halle-frickin'-lujah. Someone in the mainstream media finally mentions the William Ayers connection," praised Gibson (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWY3YTlhZmJkMjM0ZjA0NDEzZWQ0OTA0MzYyZjUwOWQ=) for his questions about Jeremiah Wright, and [then] praised Gibson again (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjljNzExYzY4MWQ0YTI2YzViM2VjMjExZDRjNTBhMmQ=) for his questions to Obama about Bosnia sniper fire.
It all was so severe that even Jonah Goldberg admitted (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGNmMmQyOThkMjRhYjBjMmVlMzcwMmEyYjFlNjhkNDY=):
I'm no leftwing blogger, but I can only imagine how furious they must be with the debate so far. Nothing on any issues. Just a lot of box-checking on how the candidates will respond to various Republican talking points come the fall. Now I think a lot of those Republican talking points are valid and legitimate. But if I were a "fighting Dem" who thinks all of these topics are despicable distractions from the "real issues," I would find this debate to be nothing but Republican water-carrying.
(Apparently only "leftwing bloggers" think that presidential debates should focus on a discussion of issues.) Of course, Stephanopoulos was on at least two right-wing radio shows the day before the debate, assuring both Sean Hannity (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5518957) and right-wing host Steve Malzburg (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/16/13329/3501/457/496866) that he would take their advice about which inane, sideshow questions to ask Obama -- a promise he dutifully kept, to the delight (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDVlNjdhMThjZDYxNDdkZjYxMTg5NDgxOWI1MDY5N2I=) of National Review readers.
("Harmony (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/17/debate/index.html)")
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One other point to note about all of this is that these fixations are as skewed as they are vapid. Barack Obama is an exotic elitist freak because he went to Harvard Law School and made $1 million from his book. Hillary Clinton can't possibly have any connection to the Regular Folk because her husband, who grew up dirt poor, became quite wealthy after being President. John Kerry was completely removed from the concerns of the Regular People because his second wife was rich.
By contrast, George W. Bush was a down-home, salt-of-the-earth Man of the People despite being the grandson of a U.S. Senator, the son of a President (who greatly magnified his riches in his post-presidency), and the by-product of an extremely wealthy, coddled life. Ronald Reagan was pure Americana despite spending most of his adult life as a very wealthy Hollywood actor (and converting his post-presidency into far greater riches still). And John McCain is as Regular a Guy as it gets, even though he dumped his first wife (the mother of his three children) after she was disfigured and disabled by a near-fatal car accident (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B02EFDF1439F934A15751C0A9669C8B 63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all) so that he could marry his much younger, much prettier, and extremely wealthy heiress-mistress, whose family riches then launched his political career and sustained a life of luxury for almost three decades (that's how McCain's rustic "Sedona cabin" -- i.e., his sprawling compound -- came to be).
("Nutshell (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/05/media/)")
Take your time, Voldemort. Take a breath. It's still a long time until November, and there's much work to be done. Right now you're hurting Obama.
And remember: the reason everyone is swinging at Obama is because he's in the lead. Clinton needs to cut him down in order to win. McCain needs to cut him down in order to win. And the media needs to cut him down because there are more lucrative headlines to be concocted (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1822914&postcount=137) if Obama loses.
spidergoat 04-17-08, 05:57 PM LV isn't "hurting Obama" by pointing out the stupid nature of this debate.
No, but with the steady stream of Obamamaniac propaganda, he's undermining even his own credibility.
And that's important to me because, while Obama was not my first choice, he is without a doubt the best candidate left in the race.
Okay, okay. There might be a better candidate out there, but I haven't yet heard the name. I mean, I voted for Hagelin in 2000 because, despite having given Gore two trips to the vice-presidency, I wasn't about to promote him. So maybe there's a third-party candidate out there somewhere that I haven't heard of yet, but I also know that this simply isn't the year for it. Obama will do well enough to justify my vote for him. The last thing the U.S. needs right now is frothing fanaticism staining what seems to be our best shot at turning this whole disaster around.
LV isn't "hurting Obama" by pointing out the stupid nature of this debate.
I would possibly have voted for him but now i will vote for Hillary. Well i dont vote anyway but thats who i would vote for. Just because it would be nice to have a woman President but i think she is the smartest out of all of them anyway.
I would possibly have voted for him but now i will vote for Hillary. Well i dont vote anyway but thats who i would vote for. Just because it would be nice to have a woman President but i think she is the smartest out of all of them anyway.
Yes, her mismanaged campaign that's led to a stagnant position in the polls, tumbling public opinion, and mismanaged finances; I can see exactly why you think she's the smartest.
Hillary went from being a shoo-in to an underdog. That's not a reflection of genuine intelligence, if you ask me.
Yes, her mismanaged campaign that's led to a stagnant position in the polls, tumbling public opinion, and mismanaged finances; I can see exactly why you think she's the smartest.
I think her critics are misguided but any smart republican would look to eliminate her . This is just common sense, believe me i know what i am talking about.
Hillary went from being a shoo-in to an underdog. That's not a reflection of genuine intelligence, if you ask me.
Your never a shoe in in an election.
iceaura 04-18-08, 12:01 AM I would possibly have voted for him but now i will vote for Hillary. You mean something in this debate debacle changed your mind in favor of Hillary ?
Ganymede 04-18-08, 01:43 AM I would possibly have voted for him
:roflmao: Yeah, and I'm Bill Gates!!
You mean something in this debate debacle changed your mind in favor of Hillary ?
I am very perceptive.:)
BlueMoose 04-18-08, 02:07 PM Hillary for jail for 5 years ? Nah, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related
clusteringflux 04-18-08, 02:33 PM It's sad when they have to argue over who's closest to a terrorist. In public it's the other guy. I suspect that in private it's themselves.
otheadp 04-18-08, 03:09 PM The media is usually in the Left's pocket. But now that the left is busy devouring itself, that powerful propaganda machine has turned on its own, and is treating leftist candidates the way it usually treats conservatives. I mean, to call Stephonopolous a "hack"... give me a break ...
And in the meantime the time-tested formula of bitching is working perfectly: when candidate A attacks candidate B, the one who gains from it is candidate C (Johnny Mac).
Nobody's even paying attention to any potentially scandalous things that he's done (because there aren't any, and it'd take quite a lot of work to dig anything up and propagandize it properly), because all the energy is being directed at Barry and Hill.
While those 2 dimwits are busy conducting a civil war because of their sense of entitlement and selfishness, McCain is busy reenergizing the Raegan coalition and increasing it to include independents and left-of-center Democrats (!)
I like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6BIp8QiNts
While those 2 dimwits are busy conducting a civil war because of their sense of entitlement and selfishness, McCain is busy reenergizing the Raegan coalition and increasing it to include independents and left-of-center Democrats (!)
I like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6BIp8QiNts
Even that would still be considered "fascist" by some of the left-wing radicals out there. Just look at some of the radical left-wing remarks on McCain in these political threads; you'd think McCain was Hitler himself !
And McCain is probably the most centrist Republican to run for president in decades.
It's gotten to the point where GWB (or any other Republican) could get up on stage and say "2+2=4", and left-wing radicals would work on their own math books to prove "2+2=something else".
BlueMoose 04-18-08, 03:25 PM Politicians are in "medias" pocket. Media is just a tool "owning" both parties and spoonfedding whatever fits "medias" plans. Real journalists are dying breed.
clusteringflux 04-18-08, 03:41 PM Politicians are in "medias" pocket. Media is just a tool "owning" both parties and spoonfedding whatever fits "medias" plans. Real journalists are dying breed.
LOL,,That reminds me of the infamous (conspiracy driven and most likely fake ) quote by D. Rockefeller thanking the major news outlets for their silence of "the real stories".
otheadp 04-18-08, 03:52 PM Politicians are in "medias" pocket. Media is just a tool "owning" both parties and spoonfedding whatever fits "medias" plans. Real journalists are dying breed.
LOL,,That reminds me of the infamous (conspiracy driven and most likely fake ) quote by D. Rockefeller thanking the major news outlets for their silence of "the real stories".
"A dying breed..."
That reminded me about a news story in some American paper from the 19th century: in the aftermath of some huge storm, some reporters took pictures of the dead victims, some of which were female and naked. The posses of citizens who were patrolling and looking for survivers shot these "journalists" dead on sight.
Too bad I can't find the link...
LORD_VOLDEMORT 04-18-08, 04:23 PM The media is usually in the Left's pocket. But now that the left is busy devouring itself, that powerful propaganda machine has turned on its own, and is treating leftist candidates the way it usually treats conservatives. I mean, to call Stephonopolous a "hack"... give me a break ...
And in the meantime the time-tested formula of bitching is working perfectly: when candidate A attacks candidate B, the one who gains from it is candidate C (Johnny Mac).
Nobody's even paying attention to any potentially scandalous things that he's done (because there aren't any, and it'd take quite a lot of work to dig anything up and propagandize it properly), because all the energy is being directed at Barry and Hill.
While those 2 dimwits are busy conducting a civil war because of their sense of entitlement and selfishness, McCain is busy reenergizing the Raegan coalition and increasing it to include independents and left-of-center Democrats (!)
I like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6BIp8QiNts
Wake up aint no one voting for that old ass man but conservatives,the day he gets even half the young vote or newly registered votes will be a snowy day in a summer hell.
otheadp 04-18-08, 04:47 PM watch that video clip, especially the last 1/3 of the segment. those are REGISTERED DEMOCRATS!
LORD_VOLDEMORT 04-18-08, 04:56 PM watch that video clip, especially the last 1/3 of the segment. those are REGISTERED DEMOCRATS!
Mccain doesnt have a chance i am telling you,this election has been said already to be highly exaggerated,its more of a senseless democratic beef than a democrat versus republican.Just wait till Obama boots Hilary out for good he is going to chew Mccain apart.There is a new generation of politics coming to the forefront,Hilary and Mccain are among the old.
Mccain doesnt have a chance i am telling you,this election has been said already to be highly exaggerated,its more of a senseless democratic beef than a democrat versus republican.Just wait till Obama boots Hilary out for good he is going to chew Mccain apart.There is a new generation of politics coming to the forefront,Hilary and Mccain are among the old.
Yea, what's this "new generation" ?
Ask my candidate tough questions, and you're an idiot ? a "fascist" ? a "non-professional" journalist ?
LOL, this is going to be such a predictable election.
Anytime Obama's hit with tough questions, it's going to be waaaaa :bawl::bawl::bawl:
But when McCain's hit with tough questions, it's going to be.... Go get that old fart Nazi !
And then when Obama loses the election, it's going to be "He stole the election", RIOT !!!!
Barack lacks the experience Hillary has and it is showing real well
hypewaders 04-18-08, 08:27 PM But he's Barack, who's sane.
BlueMoose 04-19-08, 02:32 AM LOL,,That reminds me of the infamous (conspiracy driven and most likely fake ) quote by D. Rockefeller thanking the major news outlets for their silence of "the real stories".
-The thing is that they do it openly but its all blurred because of the more interesting "news". Remember the Amero, when I first time reported here that decisions had been made for NAU & Amero nobody believed me or beeing real busy to tell me why its not gonna happen, (do you still think so ?) while it has been on major news media.
"A dying breed..."
http://static.flickr.com/72/264098136_9a7a1d9730.jpg
That reminded me about a news story in some American paper from the 19th century: in the aftermath of some huge storm, some reporters took pictures of the dead victims, some of which were female and naked. The posses of citizens who were patrolling and looking for survivers shot these "journalists" dead on sight.
Too bad I can't find the link...
-They were delivering what their bosses wanted...
Ganymede 04-19-08, 10:02 AM Yea, what's this "new generation" ?
Ask my candidate tough questions, and you're an idiot ? a "fascist" ? a "non-professional" journalist ?
LOL, this is going to be such a predictable election.
Anytime Obama's hit with tough questions, it's going to be waaaaa :bawl::bawl::bawl:
But when McCain's hit with tough questions, it's going to be.... Go get that old fart Nazi !
And then when Obama loses the election, it's going to be "He stole the election", RIOT !!!!
Watch this segment. Imagine if John McCain was treated the same way Obama was treated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OczmGXxmwY
Watch this segment. Imagine if John McCain was treated the same way Obama was treated.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the frying pan.
iceaura 04-19-08, 12:31 PM Watch this segment. Imagine if John McCain was treated the same way Obama was treated.
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least. It hasn't happened yet. When do you think will be the first time the more conservative politician in any US campaign arena is treated like that ?
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the frying pan. That's not heat, it's deflection.
Exaggerated trivialities, focusing on tabloid matters and Dems only, is Republican campaign strategy - the key is to take people's minds off of the realities of the past seven years of completely Republican administration and thirty years of conservative political control, in most of which McCain has been a central and complicit figure.
We are seeing Republican campaign strategy enacted by the dominant body of the mainstream media.
The media is usually in the Left's pocket. No issue in any Presidential campaign in thirty years has been covered from a Left perspective by the mainstream media.
Meanwhile, even the truly goofball fringe Right - the "Obama is a secret Muslim from a madrassa", "we invaded Iraq to fight the 9/11 terrorists Saddam supported" crowd - has its own major mainstream TV station. The ordinary, corporate, terminally corrupt, privatizing SS crowd has the rest of it.
http://static.flickr.com/72/264098136_9a7a1d9730.jpg
Politkovskaya was shot by her own foolishness, what was she exPecting from Chechnya when she favored separatist movement?!! :mad: Its good she is dead, she was anti-government subjugate of Ichkeria.
DubStyle 04-20-08, 04:29 AM Wake up aint no one voting for that old ass man but conservatives,the day he gets even half the young vote or newly registered votes will be a snowy day in a summer hell.
The day young people and newly registered people vote will be the day pigs fly.
I think you're the one who needs to wake up. Obama is slowly pissing off the "forgotten majority" - the white man. He's got young people in his pocket. Too bad young people never vote. I mean hell, from what i hear, even when there was a draft for Vietnam they didnt go out and vote in significant numbers. Im a young college student myself. People may support Obama, but I doubt theyll actully vote. Another thing I'm noticing. The race issue may hurt Obama with older generations - the "old vote". Has any politician ever won without getting the geriatric vote?
It's going to be tough for McCain. The war and the economy are going to be tough to overcome. For some reason though, he stands a decent shot at winning.
Otheadp. Awsome video. I love Luntz and that last question really is encouraging.
LORD_VOLDEMORT 04-20-08, 03:09 PM The day young people and newly registered people vote will be the day pigs fly.
I think you're the one who needs to wake up. Obama is slowly pissing off the "forgotten majority" - the white man. He's got young people in his pocket. Too bad young people never vote. I mean hell, from what i hear, even when there was a draft for Vietnam they didnt go out and vote in significant numbers. Im a young college student myself. People may support Obama, but I doubt theyll actully vote. Another thing I'm noticing. The race issue may hurt Obama with older generations - the "old vote". Has any politician ever won without getting the geriatric vote?
It's going to be tough for McCain. The war and the economy are going to be tough to overcome. For some reason though, he stands a decent shot at winning.
Otheadp. Awsome video. I love Luntz and that last question really is encouraging.
SHORTY THE ONLY THAT NEEDS TO WAKE UP IS YOU,YOUR LIVING IN DELUSIONAL LA LA LAND KID.
Check your facts,first off you speculate based on no evidence that people arent going to actually vote Obama based on your own personal opinion.2.THAT OLD ASS MAN IS NOT GOING TO BECOME PRESIDENT,the newly registered voters are primarily democrats and only a fool would claim the majority of these newly registered democrats are for Hilary.Wake up boy! There is an obama mania across the world,the most popular person in the history of politics worldwide,people want change,this crap your coming up with barely anyone but conservative give thought.At this point anything that attempts to Knock Obama off is only going to cause his backup support to increase because with americans today they do not want to hear the same ole crap Mccain and his republicans have been talking.The economy is some ass and that is the most important issue and Obama strength in that field is incredible.You all assume his strength to defend the country from so called terrorist is weak yet as usual the evidence is lacking.
WAKE UP BOY.THIS AINT 2000 OR 2004,CHANGE MEANS CHANGE.Obamas look itself is a reason many want him as president because he is the posterboy for TRUE CHANGE.
You can fall for the medias crappy propaganda of making it seem Mccain has a chance,the truth is he does not have a prayer unless he cheats and most political analyst agree this election is actually going to turn out to be the most easily predicted.And it aint Mccain or Hilary.
WAKE UP BOY.THIS AINT 2000 OR 2004,CHANGE MEANS CHANGE.Obamas look itself is a reason many want him as president because he is the posterboy for TRUE CHANGE.
You dont know that for sure. Politicians can promise you the world and deliver nothing
Bush promised massive investment in space industry...and all we get is outdated mission to moon with a catchy name "Orion" but technology worse than it was 50 years ago. Politicians lie, lie, and lie.
LORD_VOLDEMORT 04-20-08, 03:23 PM You dont know that for sure. Politicians can promise you the world and deliver nothing
LOL
OH PLEASE THAT IS DAMN NEAR FACTUAL,LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE,MCCAIN IS A REPUBLICAN,WHILE ONE OF THE MORE RESPECTED ONES THE INTOLERANCE FOR THE TITLE ITSELF IS OUTSTANDING.HE DOES NOT HAVE A CHANCE,KEEP DREAMING,THERE IS NO WAY,SHAPE OR FORM THAT MAN IS GOING TO BECOME PRESIDENT UNLESS SOMETHING REALLY FUCKED UP COMES UP FOR OBAMA.
Let's see...Obama will be tied to his islam adoration and thus terrorists...Clinton will be connected to her husband affair with Monica...and McCain will be praised for his military skills and he wins..
LORD_VOLDEMORT 04-20-08, 03:44 PM Let's see...Obama will be tied to his islam adoration and thus terrorists...Clinton will be connected to her husband affair with Monica...and McCain will be praised for his military skills and he wins..
Where the hell do you live at? Because it damn sure aint America.
Um lets see,no one but idiotic bums who blatantly hate Obama (typical ultra conservatives)attach this foolish islamic crap to Obama,that is a complete joke to even the average republican even though its mostly of there own kind that fuel this foolish rumor.
Clinton connected to her husband affair?? WHAT? UM NO! Even Bill retained a mass amount of respect during the scandal with Monica,today he still has alot of support however it has dwindled because he feels so threatened by Obamas skill in debate.
nirakar 04-20-08, 06:33 PM Barack lacks the experience Hillary has and it is showing real well
What do you base this on?
I think US trade policy and US foreign policy has been stupid for many decades. I think the lobbyists and lobbyist funded think tanks are selling bad policies. Both the Democrats and Republicans in congress do whatever th lobbyists tell them to do.
President Clinton and the 2 Bush presidents and most of congress from both parties support GATT. They don't get it that neither high skilled nor low skilled Americans can compete in an international job market against equally skilled foreign workers willing to work for lower wages. This is a very basic simple concept that they are unwilling to believe.
How does choosing for president and leader of the USA somebody with proven experience at refusing to believe the obvious help America.
Now Hillary is saying she does not support he husband's trade policies but she gives no examples of how she would change her husbands trade policies. I just don't believe her. As a Senator I am not aware that she has ever defied Washington lobbyist consensus. I don't think she has what it takes to lead America out of the mess that it has created for itself.
McCain told people at a Union convention that Arizona needs illegal immigrants because even if the tomato farmers paid $50 an hour no Americans would be willing to pick tomatoes for $50 an hour. His Audience broke into laughter and shock. McCain honestly did not know that half of the American workers would hop in their car and drive to Arizona tomorrow for a job picking tomatoes at $50 an hour.
I think Obama is the brightest of the the 3, most in touch with reality of the 3, and has the greatest potential of the 3 to be able lead the American people as Reagan lead the American people thereby turning the public opinion of the American people into a sledgehammer that can be used to knock down some walls that the lobbyists have built to keep control over the American government.
LOL
OH PLEASE THAT IS DAMN NEAR FACTUAL,LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE,MCCAIN IS A REPUBLICAN,WHILE ONE OF THE MORE RESPECTED ONES THE INTOLERANCE FOR THE TITLE ITSELF IS OUTSTANDING.HE DOES NOT HAVE A CHANCE,KEEP DREAMING,THERE IS NO WAY,SHAPE OR FORM THAT MAN IS GOING TO BECOME PRESIDENT UNLESS SOMETHING REALLY FUCKED UP COMES UP FOR OBAMA.
LOL,
Time will tell.
I'm just afraid some people on the far-left will brainwash themselves (and others) into thinking "Obama WILL win the election", to the point that if Obama loses against McCain, it will result in conspiracy driven riots of "disenfranchised" voters......
pjdude1219 04-20-08, 07:44 PM LOL,
Time will tell.
I'm just afraid some people on the far-left will brainwash themselves (and others) into thinking "Obama WILL win the election", to the point that if Obama loses against McCain, it will result in conspiracy driven riots of "disenfranchised" voters......
if everyone votes in their best intrest economically obama would win. but since that never happans. its up in the air
LORD_VOLDEMORT 04-21-08, 09:21 AM if everyone votes in their best intrest economically obama would win. but since that never happans. its up in the air
It is not up in the air really at all,we are too broke,too poor,too unorganized under the republican party people have just head it up to the tip of the hairs with the entire name,it is so obvious,America is angry,raging,there is a saying that you learn from your experiences,last election the turnout was tremendous in areas due to bush bullshit,it wasnt enough so now this one is expected to knock it out the box in the Democrati field.Add this with the OBAMA MANIA THAT exist,you cannot beat a person who has a MANIA effect,that is iconic,historical,his numbers pounce on any and above,a god within popularity politics,only a cheat at this point or a something extremely damaging to Obama could cause his downfall.With every controversy,every criticism it just fuels his base,people are not giving a fuck about these strong attempts to side track him,Cosmic says he does not mention how he would change.ARE YOU MAD?? Um if he didnt then why is voted most liberal presidential candidate based on the changes that he has in plan,the mans entire campaign speeches have been on how shit is going to change.Hilary or John will spend all this bullshit time talking about shit America has grown tired of,the patriotism bullshit that our new generation does not give a fuck about because its a social construct teaching and with time it is dying.The moment Obama gets on stage he elaborates his plan to change americans number 1 issue,THE ECONOMY!.That war bullshit is a snore,people fell for it for 8 entire years,John talking about this only attracts a certain audience.To even insist that Mccain popularity is even nearly half of that of OBAMA is pure ignorance or simple delusion.
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