A war for the interest of Israel

Discussion in 'World Events' started by kathaksung, Sep 4, 2002.

  1. kathaksung Banned Banned

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    The coming war on Iraq is for the interest of Israel. It's obvious. Despite of lack of evidence that Iraq has developed mass killing weapons, US is not the target of Iraq. If Iraq has such kind of weapons, most likely the target will be Israel. Iraq has never been a world power which can threaten US. Russia and China are. Then why Bush administration is in a hurry to spend 80 billions to strike Iraq in spite of opposition from allies and friendly Arbic countries? I have to admit it that Israel's influence is too strong here, both in politicians and media.
     
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  3. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    And if the U.S. attacks, will Iraq feel as though it has nothing to lose and launch their weapons against Israel in any case? How, then, would our attack of Iraq benefit the Israelis?

    Peace.
     
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  5. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Ah, yes ...

    kathaksung
    I seriously doubt Israel needs us. Remember, they took out Iraq's
    first nuclear reactor, back in '81, with hardly a peep from the rest
    of the world.

    goofy
    Agree. Sadam did it once, in 1991, why not again?

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  7. Captain Canada Stranger in Town Registered Senior Member

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    You may find this article of some interest:


    Playing skittles with Saddam

    The gameplan among Washington's hawks has long been to reshape the Middle East along US-Israeli lines, writes Brian Whitaker.

    Full Article Here
     
  8. firdroirich A friend of The Friends Registered Senior Member

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    Not entirely for Israel. Come on, America rarely goes into full scale activities purely for the interest of another country, holy or not holy.I think US just wants to flex some muscle, remind the "enemy" (whoever that is percieved to be)of who the only superpower is & it dosen't like being bombed. Just today some old UN archive footage showed the US refusing UN weapons inspectors into the US to see the extent of US nuclear growth but the US uses this pretext against Iraq - UN officials seem divided on this issue themselves.
    The trick these days seems to be to drown people with information, if a war starts in Iraq who will remember the "troubles" of the US at home. Its just to keeping you thinking about the next thing before you can make your mind up about this thing. It works - see how quickly people forget these days. Can you remember every major thing that happened in the last few years, nevermind the things you just didn't get round to hearing because you were focused on the issues at hand of that moment. Diverting attention is the underlying principle of what we all know as MAGICIANS.
    All this which seems so important now will soon be replaced by something which demands our immediate attention & we'll forget, yes we will, most of us anyway.

    I'm not saying the US will invade Iraq just to make you forget things

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    but that is the pattern I see in major events,they are usually followed by a reprisal in a far off land. This invasion will happen. It's the politicians rule of thumb " War is good for the economy, if you find yourself in a tough spot which focuses on your weakness - go start a war"

    This war is for the interests of the US. It's been a long time coming they didn't just hatch this up recently.
     
  9. kathaksung Banned Banned

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    Then how do you explain....

    Quote, "Israel Urges U.S. to Attack Iraq
    Fri Aug 16, 8:42 AM ET
    By JASON KEYSER, Associated Press Writer

    JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq's Saddam Hussein, an aide to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday.
    Israeli intelligence officials have gathered evidence that Iraq is speeding up efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, said Sharon aide Ranaan Gissin.
    "Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no purpose,"


    http://www.csis.org/mideast/online.html#ME2000
     
  10. firdroirich A friend of The Friends Registered Senior Member

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    The fact that Israel & the US are 'joined by the hip' as it were is undeniable but with all that oil in Iraq sitting in the hands of Saddam isin't that also a good reason to put on the gloves?

    Israel sure spends a lot of money on military though

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    Are you assuming that Israel has friendship on the grounds of having military contracts with the US or is it just heart-felt need to help someone that the US in intervening on the part of the US -just clarify for me what the reasons are for helping Israel are IYO.
     
  11. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    God almighty, don't some people ever think for themselves???

    This war is for the benefit of Israel??? What kind of idiot doesn't realize the monumental gains the U.S. gets from this war?? Furthermore, if the U.S. was so interested in just appeasing Israel (god only knows why they feel the need to) wouldn't they have taken down Arafat, who NEEDS to be out of power, by now?

    Hey, I gots an idea.....Mr. Blaire is urging the U.S. and supporting them......therefore the war is for the benefit of Britain!!!

    Israel benefits from the war in Sharon's eyes, dumb ass, thus Israel will obviously support the war. Now, do you actually have any slightly suggestive evidence that this war is in the interest of Israel?
     
  12. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    "Israel sure spends a lot of money on military though"

    Next time your country has to fight a war every day of it's existence we'll see how much money you spend on military.
     
  13. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Are you advocating the position that a country has something we want, so we just go and take it?

    We are beginning to assert a right to dispose of global properties as we wish. To assert a moral authority to start a brief but massive bloodletting to rearrange things to our liking, whether the target of our ire has fired first or not.

    Because we preempt we need a "right" to back up our choice. After all we're going to cause certain death & destruction to prevent what we see as the possibility of worse bloodshed at a future time. And we end up in the potentially embarrassing situation of holding what was until recently someone else's lands. How do we justify that? We are becoming an Empire -holding onto territories beyond our borders like pre-WWI world powers. And the whole world can see it, too. But we have not so reversed ourselves culturally that we openly exult in domination of others as the "healthy" expression of our superior strength or some similar 19th century justification for imperial “grabbiness”. That means we are operating under a rationale, an eulogizing obfuscation of our real motivations.

    What is our rationale? We are the guardians of Freedom and Democracy - it just happens by accident that we've been called to act everywhere there's oil or deepwater ports or important land routes near a possible rival for world power. We never proposed to bring freedom and democracy to the people of the Philippines or Panama during the First American Empire. We wanted strategic spots on the globe and said so; we wanted commodities and captive markets and said so. They weren't fit to run their own governments and we said so. But nowadays we don't say that: we are, however, so extremely concerned about all the peoples of the world that we can kill them to make them free and prosperous little burghers. Of course what we want is not really different from the goals of the First American Empire, we just can't say it. So we are asserting a right to "improve" people - in a secular sense by deposing their governments - and to take their stuff into safekeeping until they are... uh... ready to sell their own oil, or whatever, responsibly.

    This new American Imperialism is far more expansive than the old Cold War “cop” acting to stop the spread of competing hegemonies and to deter aggression. We now hold the entire world in trust on behalf of Freedom and Democracy. Our claim to the World trumps the sovereignty of any government or people currently holding occupancy. They may be dispossessed because they are "too friendly to terror", "not democratic enough", or otherwise pose obstacles to world trade.

    Which may be taken to mean the growth of American Profits.

    (Where in the hell did this soapbox come from?)

    Peace.

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    It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
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  14. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Easy, now...    

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