http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredemands/index.php?autostart=true&language_setting=en_1618

He's England? Beat him for the mess in the ME and Asia. Effing colonialists!!!! :mad:

I love this guy. I love his rants on religion too. He's brilliant.

~String

You should post some. :p

You should post some. :p

You claim to be smart enough. If you want to see more of people who disagree with Islam (i.e. "hate groups"), go looking.

~String

A well done video.

His video on English sacrificing England: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2dC1iWzww.

His point on how in England government officials are banned from saying "Islamic Terrorism" even though Islamic terrorists are Muslims, committing terrorism in the name of Allah while chantin the Koran. The obvious seems to escape the politically correct, like he said, "PC-ness is like a drug-- we know it's killing us, but we just can't stop."

~String

Perhaps the "English" could emigrate to their 2000 year old homeland.

Or describe how they are sacrificing people through artificially drawn borders, war, occupation and structural adjustment.

Perhaps the "English" could emigrate to their 2000 year old homeland.

Or describe how they are sacrificing people through war, occupation and structural adjustment.

Sam continues at breakneck speed with the deluge of fabrications.

Perhaps the "English" could emigrate to their 2000 year old homeland.

Or describe how they are sacrificing people through artificially drawn borders, war, occupation and structural adjustment.

Yawwwn. Sure. Whatever Sam. The poor Muslims. Except... none of this has ANYTHING to do with Arabia. It has to do with Muslims living in England.

It's so much fun to see you get your feathers up over things that aren't even related to this issue. We could be discussing how the evil Tagorians of Ditantus IV were invading and enslaving the peaceloving people of K'narak Prime, over 27,000 lightyears from Earth, and you'd chime in with your two-bit act of, "Well, the EVIL British... blah blah blah... and the Americans... blah blah blah."

Wahhh, SAM. Wah.

Yes, every evil thing that Muslims do on Earth is the UK's and the USA's fault. Keep apologizing for evil doers. Whatever. If it makes your tired little mind rest better at night, just keep repeating that mantra.

~String

Its the Kohinoor diamond. Attracts Muslims like flies. They should return it to India. ;)

Its the Kohinoor diamond. Attracts Muslims like flies. They should return it to India. ;)

Well, the British weren't the first, and only, nation to steal a rock from someone else. Muslims and Indians (or both) are no strangers to that tradition... not that it matters. You'll find a way to spin it all back on the west.

~String

Well, the British weren't the first, and only, nation to steal a rock from someone else. Muslims and Indians (or both) are no strangers to that tradition... not that it matters. You'll find a way to spin it all back on the west.

~String

Am I supposed to feel for a xenophobe who wants to preserve his own country, the same country that has felt no compunction in raping and destroying several others?

And I'm not talking about the past (http://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Are-G8-Billion-Protests/dp/1904132138) either.

Am I supposed to feel for a xenophobe.

No SAM. You're not. As you've pointed out before: few people care what you think beyond belaboring themselves in having to undue the lifetime of self-delusion you've engaged in.

So, sure, SAM, he's a Xenophobe. Though, I didn't hear him talking about all those pesky Chinese immigrants... or the Polish immigrants... or all those unwanted negros either! Nope... just those people who have a penchant for carrying out clitorectomies, blowing themselves up, dressing their women in tents all while demanding special rights and court systems.

SAM I don't think you have the content of character or the back bone to realize, much less admit, that there is a cancer growing in Europe and it's called Militant Islam. It's only beginning to show itself, and Europeans who are so smack-addicted to political correctness, will never realize that their tolerance and progressiveness is about to be destroyed by Muslim extremists.

~String

Yeah I feel very sorry for him. He has such a hard life, poor sod.

Maybe he should move to Iraq; I hear it was recently liberated.

Yeah I feel very sorry for him. He has such a hard life, poor sod.

Maybe he should move to Iraq; I hear it was recently liberated.

Hah! I was right: you are a total one-trick pony. Everything comes back to the Middle East. Keep 'em coming SAM-- you prove my point for me.

~String

P.S. I'm sure he doesn't want or need your pity. The guy seems capable of defending his ideological beliefs. The people to pity are you, your ilk and the various sheeple around the world who fall for the "pity the poor Muslims" bile. He's exposing a very real issue. So, you're poorly feigned pity is about as out of place as your totally misplaced pseudo-intellectualism.

Well surely compared to the cancer of militant Islam in Europe he prefers the joyful liberation by Western soldiers in Muslim countries?

Do you think he would be more satisfied if England and Iraq were swapped?

P.S. I'm sure he doesn't want or need your pity. The guy seems capable of defending his ideological beliefs. The people to pity are you, your ilk and the various sheeple around the world who fall for the "pity the poor Muslims" bile. He's exposing a very real issue. So, you're poorly feigned pity is about as out of place as your totally misplaced pseudo-intellectualism.

Perhaps he should remove the redwood from his ass before pointing out the chip on someones shoulder

Well surely compared to the cancer of militant Islam in Europe he prefers the joyful liberation by Western soldiers in Muslim countries?

Do you think he would be more satisfied if England and Iraq were swapped?



Perhaps he should remove the redwood from his ass before pointing out the chip on someones shoulder

Wow. What do you know-- you're still parroting Iraq.

You're like fracking Chicken Little: "The sky is falling!" Everything back to Iraq. Fine: Iraq sucks, the perpetrators should be executed (preferably with big swards like muslims use). Can you stop simpering like a suckling child for a moment and focus on something else? I doubt it, you've already proven your paucity of intelligence thus far, why change a good thing now.

"Cancer?" Blame it on Iraq! "Terrorism?" Iraq! "Global Warming!?" Iraq, again! "Gama Ray Bursts?!" You got it, Iraq!

~String

Perhaps he should remove the redwood from his ass before pointing out the chip on someones shoulder

Yes... he's the one with the chip! You're as deluded as they come. So... just a quick question: what about all those MUSLIM TERRORISTS blowing themselves up. I call that a pretty big chip.

Shoot! I forgot, it's all the WEST'S fault.

Nevermind... don't bother. I know your answer before you gum it.

~String

His video on English sacrificing England: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2dC1iWzww.

His point on how in England government officials are banned from saying "Islamic Terrorism" even though Islamic terrorists are Muslims, committing terrorism in the name of Allah while chantin the Koran. The obvious seems to escape the politically correct, like he said, "PC-ness is like a drug-- we know it's killing us, but we just can't stop."

~String

The guy in the video is obviously a braindead moron with no grasp of history. It doesn't take the sharpest knife in the drawer to realize that England's role in history is responsible for a significant portion of the problems Muslims face today. He may not like the exponentially rising Muslim population in England, but that's the inevitable fate you suffer for centuries of venturesome habits of genocide, ethnocide, and plunder in other people's lands.

Who gets their information from this loser's superfluous ramblings, anyway? His tirade against Islam isn't supported with a single shred of evidence. He's merely the visual proponent of websites such as Jihad watch.

Perhaps the "English" could emigrate to their 2000 year old homeland.

Or describe how they are sacrificing people through artificially drawn borders, war, occupation and structural adjustment.

france?

Wow. What do you know-- you're still parroting Iraq.


This is analogous to the person in the video complaining about Saudi Arabia bringing up human rights.

The guy in the video is obviously a braindead moron with no grasp of history. It doesn't take the sharpest knife in the drawer to realize that England's role in history is responsible for a significant portion of the problems Muslims face today. He may not like the exponentially rising Muslim population in England, but that's the inevitable fate you suffer for centuries of venturesome habits of genocide, ethnocide, and plunder in other people's lands.

Who gets their information from this loser's superfluous ramblings, anyway? His tirade against Islam isn't supported with a single shred of evidence. He's merely the visual proponent of websites such as Jihad watch.

I blame other people for my problems too.

This is analogous to the person in the video complaining about Saudi Arabia bringing up human rights.

Except that Saudi Arabia WAS complaining about the treatment of Muslims in Europe... so they brought themselves into it, which warranted this man's diatribe. Your point is non sequitur.

~String

Who gets their information from this loser's superfluous ramblings, anyway? His tirade against Islam isn't supported with a single shred of evidence. He's merely the visual proponent of websites such as Jihad watch.

Sounds like a lite version of all those Islamic tirades against the west. Turn about, in this case, is very fair play.

~String

Except that Saudi Arabia WAS complaining about the treatment of Muslims in Europe... so they brought themselves into it, which warranted this man's diatribe. Your point is non sequitur.

~String

If it is a problem for Saudi Arabia to complain about human rights because of their own violations, shouldn't that logic prohibit people from the UK and America from complaining about Muslim "takeovers", given their actions in Iraq and elsewhere? I'm surprised the guy in the video didn't scorch his mouth with the enormous irony of his words! ;)

Sounds like a lite version of all those Islamic tirades against the west. Turn about, in this case, is very fair play.

~String

Of course, Islamic tirades against the west are usually perceived as potential terrorism and extremism. The reverse, however, is not true.

Of course, Islamic tirades against the west are usually perceived as potential terrorism and extremism. The reverse, however, is not true.

But why do you live in 'the West' Kadark?

But why do you live in 'the West' Kadark?

Because I was born here...

So your parents came here? I guess they came here because they hate it so much.

The west can be a good place to live. We get it already. Does that mean you're not allowed to criticize it?

So your parents came here? I guess they came here because they hate it so much.

1) My parents came here because my dad was exiled by Saddam, and was not permitted to Turkey at the time. Due to that, my parents had to move here to stay together.

2) My parents have different opinions than me, so don't bring them up.

1) My parents came here because my dad was exiled by Saddam, and was not permitted to Turkey at the time. Due to that, my parents had to move here to stay together.

Your story is compelling and despite out differences, I'd enjoy hearing about it.

2) My parents have different opinions than me, so don't bring them up.

Is it invalid to wonder why you may differ, tho?

~String

1) My parents came here because my dad was exiled by Saddam, and was not permitted to Turkey at the time. Due to that, my parents had to move here to stay together.


So that great guy Saddam exiled your dad and the scumbags in the west took him in with open arms?:shrug:

Well thats gratitude for you. I know all about Saddam and the fear he instilled in his people. Why dont you tell everyone here about it?

Theres 2 million Iraqis who are refugees now and another 2 million who are displaced, another 4 million Afghanis also refugees.

Listening to the guy in the video makes me gag.

And they never had to be, especially after Saddam was gone. You know exactly what happened there.

They found the WMDs?

England's role in history is responsible for a significant portion of the problems Muslims face today.

The Bullshitometer just went off the scale, again. Funny how it's always someone else who is responsible for Muslims problems.

Who gets their information from this loser's superfluous ramblings, anyway? His tirade against Islam isn't supported with a single shred of evidence. He's merely the visual proponent of websites such as Jihad watch.

So sorry the video wasn't sanctioned by immam.

yes. Its SAM.^^

Theres 2 million Iraqis who are refugees now and another 2 million who are displaced, another 4 million Afghanis also refugees.

Listening to the guy in the video makes me gag.

Sure... because he's talking about Iraqi's SAM. He's talking about ISLAM in EUROPE. I know it's tough for you to disconnect from that issue, but try super-duper hard.

~String

Your story is compelling and despite out differences, I'd enjoy hearing about it.

Well, it's a really long story, but in short, my dad was imprisoned and thrown into Abu Ghraib for supposedly speaking out against Saddam. They killed mostly all of his friends there, although surprisingly, he was freed after some time. He served in the Iran-Iraq war, and was later exiled from the country by Saddam, probably due to his history and involvement with Turkey (went there and married my mom). When he was exiled, the assholes at Turkey wouldn't grant him citizenship, so my dad snuck in, was kicked out (to Syria, imprisoned there for a year), snuck back in, was kicked out to Ukraine (I believe), snuck back in, and finally kicked out with three options: Canada, Finland, and Denmark. We chose Canada.

Is it invalid to wonder why you may differ, tho?

My parents never really taught me anything concerning religion or worldly affairs. All of my opinions have been formulated by myself. They are very secular, and have no problems with the west, so long as they keep their militaries out of our countries. I am much more critical of the west than my parents could ever be, which is why I didn't enjoy John99 bringing them into the debate.

So sorry the video wasn't sanctioned by immam.

Exactly!

~String

Sure... because he's talking about Iraqi's SAM. He's talking about ISLAM in EUROPE. I know it's tough for you to disconnect from that issue, but try super-duper hard.

~String

Perhaps if the Europeans had stayed home instead of meddling worldwide, the Muslims would have too.

Well thats gratitude for you. I know all about Saddam and the fear he instilled in his people. Why dont you tell everyone here about it?

It's funny. Saddam imprisoned my dad in a hellhole (worst prison on Earth), killed mostly all of his friends, killed certain family members of his, sent him to a highly unnecessary war where he was almost killed twice (while he had a wife and kid), kicked him out from his country, and in doing so, has separated him from his family for 22 years and counting.

He still thinks Saddam's Iraq is infinitely preferable to today's Iraq.

Sure... because he's talking about Iraqi's SAM. He's talking about ISLAM in EUROPE. I know it's tough for you to disconnect from that issue, but try super-duper hard.

~String

They are connected. Directly, in the sense that refugees might make up a significant portion of Islam in Europe. And also in the sense that it is strange for one country to complain about immigrants coming into their country when they are sending soldiers to occupy others. Maybe that individual has been adamantly opposed to his country's occupation, and in such case the issues should be separated when talking to such people. But since he carried over the misdoings of Saudi Arabia into a separate issue himself, it is quite fair to bring up the point.

egg timers .. pffff too funny

Look he seems to be missing the point that the Muslims living in England are English. Yeah, they've carried their brainwashed cult from their country into England but duhh.... the Xian's did the exact same thing whenever and wherever they went - now we have Good Xians all over the bloody planet.

Anyway, I sympathize about some of the points. Doctors, Nurses, Medicos, Pharmacists, retailers, etc... can not be given ANY sort of break due to a superstitious beleif. What next? Scientologists don't have to serve Human's with high Theta levels - magical Xenu would disapprove. That's just stupid.

Lastly, the key is education. Every single Englishman and woman should be taught/inoculated from grade 1 on upwards using archaeological and historical truths about their religion. Where their beliefs really come from and the polytheisms they are really based on. It should also be made absolutely clear that there is no evidence for any or these superstitious Gods and Alien overlords. None. Zilch. Zero. This point needs to be pounded in deep. Lastly, in the high school classes, kids should be taught some of the psychological reasons for beleif. If after 12 years of formal education they decide to worship a stone or Alien or sky-daddy or sea-daddy or tree-daddy then they can go right ahead and do so.

The center of political and monetary power is slowly shifting East. And by East I mean floating right over the Middle East and landing in China, Korea, Hong Kong, Japan etc... times will get tougher in England - if there is a huge Mega Mosque in downtown London - well, its like setting up a lightening rod.

Perhaps if the Europeans had stayed home instead of meddling worldwide, the Muslims would have too.

Oh... that's right. The Muslims never meddled. Never invaded. Never did any harm. I am so amused as to your total ignorance. Don't, for a second, fool yourself in to believing that if Muslims had made it to home plate, we all wouldn't be speaking Arabian right now and all be bowing towards Mecca. Thank whatever gods there may be that I don't have to. I like the fact that my sister can chose her own way of life. I like that I can be gay and not executed. I like the west just the way it is (save... for a few flaws).

I'm amused that you "gag" at his honest words (note: he didn't call for HARM to be done to anybody, just for EVERYBODY to wake up to what Islam is doing), but you sit by calmly while your misguided brothers demand special rights and apologies from Europe, while chanting DEATH TO AMERICA! (imagine if someone in America chanted "DEATH TO ISLAM" in such numbers-- it would spawn a parade of fury in every Muslim city-- but when the converse happens, we all just sit idly by and say, "eh, it's those pesky Muslims...") So, sure, gag at this guy, but turn a blind eye to the mendicants begging peacefully in your back yard and to the militant muslims who turn those peaceful mendicants into slaves of an ideology that seeks to bring death to women and children.

Oh... I forgot. It's all the west's fault.

~String

So lets see, on the one had we have foreign British troops occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, with millions displaced and hundreds of thousands dead.

And we have English citizens of foreign origin who are demonised and discriminated against.

And we feel sorry for the British!

Who ever said "feel sorry for". The British are quite adept at defending themselves. What we're talking about is reacting to a cancer growing within the nation of Britain... which cancer, is cleverly hidden in the bodice of the fair Madden, Political Correctness.

~String

Who ever said "feel sorry for". The British are quite adept at defending themselves. What we're talking about is reacting to a cancer growing within the nation of Britain... which cancer, is cleverly hidden in the bodice of the far Madden, Political Correctness.

~String

Some cancer. When 4 million are staggering around after losing an entire country and being bombed the sh*t out of, with dead people in the hundreds of thousands they can start complaining about being "taken over"

So, sure, gag at this guy, but turn a blind eye to the mendicants begging peacefully in your back yard and to the militant muslims who turn those peaceful mendicants into slaves of an ideology that seeks to bring death to women and children.


I keep on hearing about evil militant muslims, but somehow I've never met any remotely like that. And I've met a lot (atm I know about 30+ on a casual basis between school and my gym), since I live near Detroit, which has had a huge muslim population for a long time (not Detroit specifically but the surrounding parts), but oddly, no death to women and children ideology has been found... their cultural impact has not lessened anything around here (oh, and spare me jokes about Detroit culture please :p), but probably improved things (for one thing, without them, it would be even more of a cultural wasteland ;)).

string,

The point being made is that the man in the video (original topic of the thread) is a white British guy complaining about a sloppily-concocted list of problematic Islamic issues, with a haphazard regard to the history. It is crucial that you analyze what happened before to truly understand what is happening now. Yes, most Muslims harbor ill feelings toward the West, but it's for good reason, damn it! Britain and America are responsible for Iraq, Palestine/Israel, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

Until you step outside of your house, only to be forced back inside because it's passed the national curfew set by Muslim soldiers, you have no right to equate the reasons for hatred amongst both sides.

I love this guy. I love his rants on religion too. He's brilliant.

~String

His website pulls no punches.
Hi, I'm Pat Condell.
I don't respect your beliefs
and I don't care if you're offended.
Cheers.

http://www.patcondell.net/

Let's hope he doesn't me the same fate as Theo Van Gogh.

He's preaching to the converted and their numbers are growing

Perhaps if the Europeans had stayed home instead of meddling worldwide, the Muslims would have too.

You mean like when the Muslims invaded Europe? They sort of did that unprovoked...

string,

The point being made is that the man in the video (original topic of the thread) is a white British guy complaining about a sloppily-concocted list of problematic Islamic issues, with a haphazard regard to the history. It is crucial that you analyze what happened before to truly understand what is happening now. Yes, most Muslims harbor ill feelings toward the West, but it's for good reason, damn it! Britain and America are responsible for Iraq, Palestine/Israel, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

Until you step outside of your house, only to be forced back inside because it's passed the national curfew set by Muslim soldiers, you have no right to equate the reasons for hatred amongst both sides.

He's a British guy standing up for British culture. I say more power to him. Sure, Britain, like any other nation, has done some terrible things in its history, but it's also given the world some wonderful things, including the language you're writing in on this site. The fact Britain, like many other places in Europe, is seeing its culture systematically attacked and taken apart by outsiders who appear to want to remake the West into a mirror-image of the failed states they left behind pisses this guy off. And it should...

You mean like when the Muslims invaded Europe?

And got Europe out of the Dark Ages? That time?

He's a British guy standing up for British culture. I say more power to him. Sure, Britain, like any other nation, has done some terrible things in its history,

Some! Some?!

but it's also given the world some wonderful things, including the language you're writing in on this site.

I'm bilingual, so this language isn't very important to me at all.

The fact Britain, like many other places in Europe, is seeing its culture systematically attacked and taken apart by outsiders who appear to want to remake the West into a mirror-image of the failed states they left behind pisses this guy off. And it should...

Classic example of "what goes around, comes around", innit?

So religious wars of conquest are OK so long as one is bettering the society that is being conquered? That's a unique point of view from you Sam, considering how you constantly moan about cultural identity and wail about military aggression of any kind.

It also completely distracts from the original point you were trying to make, which is that Muslims would have stayed home if the Europeans didn't meddle with them. History, as you have as much as admitted, clearly shows this isn't necessarily the case. The Europeans, as you so kindly suggested, were a bunch of squabbling, ass-backwards peasants in the Dark Ages. They weren't meddling with anyone but their neighbor over the hill. And yet, the Muslims crossed the Med and invaded the continent anyway. So clearly Muslim aggression to the West is not all reactionary. Sorry.

So religious wars of conquest are OK so long as one is bettering the society that is being conquered?

The Europeans, as you so kindly suggested, were a bunch of squabbling, ass-backwards peasants in the Dark Ages. They weren't meddling with anyone but their neighbor over the hill. And yet, the Muslims crossed the Med and invaded the continent anyway. So clearly Muslim aggression to the West is not all reactionary. Sorry.

You think the Americas and Australia should be dismantled?

And no, the Byzantines were all over the place at the time, if you care to remember. :)

Some! Some?!

Yes, some. As in, not all. Societies are a mixture of good, bad and ugly. Britain is no different. The fact you're incapable of acknowledging its positives says more about you than it does Britain.

I'm bilingual, so this language isn't very important to me at all.

Then don't speak it. See how far you get in the West. I mean, if you really think the English language doesn't open doors for you, then you're a fool.

On a more theoretical note, the language has also produced much of the world's greatest literature, philosophy, economics, etc.

Classic example of "what goes around, comes around", innit?

And if it was wrong the first time why is it any less wrong now? The fact you seem to find glee in the slow destruction of a culture you don't like betrays the depth of your bias and the power of your vitriol. It also betrays a more disturbing trend: The fact you don't care a culture you don't like might be destroyed. Genocides are begun that way.

Yes, some. As in, not all. Societies are a mixture of good, bad and ugly. Britain is no different. The fact you're incapable of acknowledging its positives says more about you than it does Britain.

I think the positives get lost in the shuffle. What Empire has been as large? What Empire has caused, collectively, this amount of bloodshed? The British have the bloodiest history, bar none. This is a fact you're going to have to accept, whether you're comfortable with it or not. I don't care about the language they espoused - it's a measly gain for the disasters they've caused on disproportional levels. Societies are a mixture of good, bad and ugly, yes - but which has been as bad and ugly as the British toward the rest of the world?

Then don't speak it. See how far you get in the West. I mean, if you really think the English language doesn't open doors for you, then you're a fool.

Where are you getting this from? Of course English is today's lingua franca, but that's beyond the point. The issue I'm getting at is, the British contribution of English, as you put it, is not a very big accomplishment in my eyes. What if China had been more aggressive in its recent history? Would I have to be thankful for possibly speaking Mandarin? Nah.

On a more theoretical note, the language has also produced much of the world's greatest literature, philosophy, economics, etc.

Eurocentric view. Have you read all the literature and philosophy from other languages to make such a fraudulent claim?

And if it was wrong the first time why is it any less wrong now? The fact you seem to find glee in the slow destruction of a culture you don't like betrays the depth of your bias and the power of your vitriol. It also betrays a more disturbing trend: The fact you don't care a culture you don't like might be destroyed. Genocides are begun that way.

Because the British forcefully conquered other people, and commanded them to assimilate. The Muslims are not doing that. They were granted citizenship in Europe because y'all needed cheap workers, and you got it. Apparently, we've fucked like rabbits, and your pure white populace and "culture" is starting to dilute. It was bound to happen.

I think the Spanish probably did as bad if not worse compared with the English and the French were pretty ruthless. I say we lump all Europe together. With that in mind, the English, compared with the other colonists, made a colonies that still shine today: Singapore and Hong Kong, New York, Sydney spring to mind.

I think the Spanish probably did as bad if not worse compared with the English and the French were pretty ruthless. I say we lump all Europe together. With that in mind, the English, compared with the other colonists, made a colonies that still shine today: Singapore and Hong Kong, New York, Sydney spring to mind.

Of course they shine. There are no natives to interfere with The Shining

Wait, are you telling me there are actually people who take this guy seriously?

Of course they shine. There are no natives to interfere with The ShiningHong Kong? Singapore?

Wait, are you telling me there are actually people who take this guy seriously?yeah a lot of people do.

That's a worry isn't it? One must wonder, why do Taoist Chinese, Hindu Indians, Shinto Japanese, Buddhist Thai integrate so well into other cultures and so many Muslims just piss people off?

Look you, SAM, Norsefire, kadark, etc.. are relatively open minded (albeit totally brainwashed) so you guys could probably get along anywhere in the world.

But there are enough people who have been further brainwashed to think idiotic notions like "Arabic is the Perfect language" "don't shake hands with a non-Muslim" "gee my 1st cousin is looking hot" "look honey, water proof tents, now our teenage daughter and go for a swim at Bondi" not to mention forming small insular ghettos further disengaging from society. Of course this leads to becoming poor. Then, the children born there in those small shit hole ghettos have to pay for the moronic actions of their parents. Then it's ripe for blame game. "I can't get a good job because whitey is a raciest ... blah blah blah"

You see it's all connected. We are secular societies. That's why we're doing well and multicultural. Muslims like the secular part because they can come here and not be persecuted for their superstitious beleif but then they turn around and want to make the culture religious to uphold their superstitious beleif? That's stupid. If our societies become religious - Islam and Muslims will be banned (or very tightly regulated) by the wider community. It's that simple.

So, instead of being smart and learning from the mistakes of the parents, who in their senility missed the good-old-days back in the old-country (which were actually crap-old days and that's why they left, but you know old f*ckers - they aways see the past in white light) they instead chose to disengage further from the wider society and now their children will be paying for it. So what do they do - want MORE disengagement?!? Stupid is as Stupid does I guess. Or is it: the parents of Sheep are Sheep?

I really hope they build a huge mega mosque in down town London just to see what happens.

Michael

And there are Americans who bankrupt themselves looking for WMDs, led by a twice elect President who acts like a buffoon and talks to God.

Americans are stupid like that. But, hey, so what? Let America go bankrupt I say. It can't happen soon enough for me :)

Americans are stupid like that. But, hey, so what? Let America go bankrupt I say. It can't happen soon enough for me :)

Clearly, its not like you will be unemployed or lose your life's savings.

Well, I can't say that. Maybe I will be unemployed.
I'm willing to take my chances.

Anyway, it's Americans that made this mess and so now they have to deal with it. maybe next time some schmuck tells them Jesus saved me elect me because I love God blah blah blah .... they will think twice. Sometimes people HAVE to learn the lesson the hard way. Now may just be one of those times.

Michael

And anyway, you don't think that people should be excused from dispensing medicine because they don't agree with the law that women can take said medicine? or people should be able to refuse to perform a service because the customer is not wearing a scarf or maybe they don't like the color of their skin color?!

I think they should have their license revoked and fined.

"sorry sir I don't eat meat so someone else at the store will have to handle your meat products, but I'm happy to scan your veggies"
"Ohh sorry sir I can scan all the meat but the cow and pig"
"Sorry sir I can scan in the cow but not the pig"
(one hour later)
"sorry sir I didn't see you have alcohol in there - can't touch it"
(one more hour later)
"there you go sir - thanks for shopping at Circle Jerks, do cum again"

PLEASE!
Michael

What Empire has caused, collectively, this amount of bloodshed? The British have the bloodiest history, bar none.

That's a subjective opinion and marks you more as an anti-western zealot than anything else. The Third Reich, Imperial Japan, Roman Empire, Mongol Empire, Maoist China (and past Imperial China), British Empire, Spanish Empire, Byzantine Empire, the USA and the USSR all have blood on their hands. They all grew out of imperial motivations and notables (USSR and the Third Reich) have caused many, many millions more deaths than the British Empire did.

Because the British forcefully conquered other people, and commanded them to assimilate. The Muslims are not doing that.

Notice how you talked about the British Empire in the past, but then talk about Muslims in the present.

"In the past" the British Empire did conquer (and hardly forced people to assimilate-- lest they'd all be a hell of a lot more British today than they are). Also, "in the past" Muslim conquerers did much the same thing. "In the present" we're talking about the Island of Britain and the Muslims living there. You keep talking about the price of tea in China, when it really has nothing to do with Muslims living in Britain. The way Muslims living in Britain should be governed by BRITISH customs, culture and law... but instead you see simpering Muslims whining about how NOT enough cultural sensitivity is being shown to them, and the British keep buying in to it, and will keep doing so, until their demise. That you champion that end, only proves that you are just as despicable as the worst cultural conquers of any of the past empires of history.

~String

i watched that a few times before i posted, and i ahve to admit, even though his words could've been differant, he's right, we in UK have to change everything to accomadate the Muslims, we have ugly mosques built in housing areas, we have now got to have islamic prayer in our schools, we are not allowed to have an opinion and when we do we get threats of bombing and burning,

like he said we have had pharmasicts not give out birth control, they now dont have to touch alchohol, what a load of crock! i understand they want to keep they're religion and they should be able to, but not at the expensive of england!

For christ sake, in some parts of the country we're not allowed to say "happy christmas", school places for children with speach problems are taken by children who can't even speak english, we have got to keep a certain amount of school places open to Muslims, and NOW we (in blackpool) have to keep a certain amount of social housing open to muslims!! FAIR NO!!! its not, especially when your child needs a place at a school specialzing in speach and hearing difficulties!

And (not all of them) but a few of them are ignorant, they treat white people with ahtred and want to change us, and he's right there will be a war, and i will carry a gun if i ahve to, to protect my family and my country!

And anyway, you don't think that people should be excused from dispensing medicine because they don't agree with the law that women can take said medicine? or people should be able to refuse to perform a service because the customer is not wearing a scarf or maybe they don't like the color of their skin color?!

IMO it depends if they are privately owned or not. I suspect most of the cases the old guy listed, except for the pharmacy, were independent businesses. If you want to open a medical practice and make such rules, it should be up to you. In these cases, it isn't different than any business with a dress code, like restaurants.

In non-privately owned cases, like a pharmacy, it should be up to the company to decide that for itself. Is the government forcing companies to hire people with these issues? If not, I don't see a problem.

And there are Americans who bankrupt themselves looking for WMDs, led by a twice elect President who acts like a buffoon and talks to God.

Your pathetic off topic rants only serve to demonstrate your intellectual dishonesty and your inability to refute the video's content, so instead, you poison another thread.

Yet, you start a thread on Science Humor and delete everything YOU personally don't want there.

Well this is just one guys opinion, since i dont live there i dont know how bad it is. The truth is there are malcontents in every group of people. In U.S the immigrants are not such a problem as the ones who were born here. We have militant liberals who are really a pain in the balls sometimes.

And anyway, you don't think that people should be excused from dispensing medicine because they don't agree with the law that women can take said medicine? or people should be able to refuse to perform a service because the customer is not wearing a scarf or maybe they don't like the color of their skin color?!

I think they should have their license revoked and fined.

"sorry sir I don't eat meat so someone else at the store will have to handle your meat products, but I'm happy to scan your veggies"
"Ohh sorry sir I can scan all the meat but the cow and pig"
"Sorry sir I can scan in the cow but not the pig"
(one hour later)
"sorry sir I didn't see you have alcohol in there - can't touch it"
(one more hour later)
"there you go sir - thanks for shopping at Circle Jerks, do cum again"

PLEASE!
Michael

I think people should not work in fields that interfere with their religious leanings.

You won't see a Brahman working as a butcher, for example.

Your pathetic off topic rants only serve to demonstrate your intellectual dishonesty and your inability to refute the video's content, so instead, you poison another thread..


You need to stop being so literal minded. I was demonstrating what the guy in the video was doing.


Yet, you start a thread on Science Humor and delete everything YOU personally don't want there

I kept a link to the posts I moved, so anyone can still see them. I had to delete the one you posted after I moved the posts, because for some reason we can no longer add posts to threads outside our forums.

Lastly, the key is education. Every single Englishman and woman should be taught/inoculated from grade 1 on upwards using archaeological and historical truths about their religion. .

It's pretty funny, from what I remember of High school most kids really didn't want to hear anything about religion. Perhaps it's the stage of "knowing it all" in development but most kids preferred not to be taught about religions because they all knew it to be a load of crap.

It didn't matter of course what Religion, I mean any forms of religious holiday or activity that the school would probably attempt to embark upon (like Prayers in Assembly or "Christmas carols" in the local church) Most kids did what I succumbed too and played hooky.

Personal thought: Religion is a load of shit, get over it.

It's pretty funny, from what I remember of High school most kids really didn't want to hear anything about religion. Perhaps it's the stage of "knowing it all" in development but most kids preferred not to be taught about religions because they all knew it to be a load of crap.

It didn't matter of course what Religion, I mean any forms of religious holiday or activity that the school would probably attempt to embark upon (like Prayers in Assembly or "Christmas carols" in the local church) Most kids did what I succumbed too and played hooky.

Personal thought: Religion is a load of shit, get over it.

Thats very strange, or perhaps there is bias in the way it is taught.

We (in India) were taught religion as a part of history as well as moral sciences and it was fascinating.

I think the positives get lost in the shuffle.

They get lost in the shuffle because people like you refuse to acknowledge them.

What Empire has been as large? What Empire has caused, collectively, this amount of bloodshed? The British have the bloodiest history, bar none.

I'm going to go a step further than String. This is not a subjective claim. This is an inaccurate claim. The British Empire, while violent and aggressive at times, was more interested in trade and management than conquest and subjegation. They did not, for example, exterminate people with the ruthless efficiency of say, the Romans, the Greeks — or more recently, the Nazis or Soviets.

In fact, if you look at nations like Zimbabwe you will see things are substantially worse since the British left and went home. Meanwhile, other nations, such as Canada, the US, Austrailia, Jamaica — even India, to some degree — are all rousing successes, thanks, in part, to their colonial British heritage and the legacy it left behind.

Eurocentric view. Have you read all the literature and philosophy from other languages to make such a fraudulent claim?

No, but I've read a sizeable chunk of it. And you can't change the fact that people like Shakespeare, Locke, Hobbes, Mill, Keynes, Friedman and Smith are all British and all influenced — and continue to influence — the world.

Because the British forcefully conquered other people, and commanded them to assimilate. The Muslims are not doing that.

They are not "doing" that, but they have done that (see the Dark Ages, as Sam pointed out). This, in my opinion, shows that people are people, and that generally speaking, stronger nations and stronger people will exert their will over the weak. In other words, I have no doubt Muslim nations, were they not so ass-backwards today, would be practicing their own version of reverse globalization — if they had the means.

They were granted citizenship in Europe because y'all needed cheap workers, and you got it. Apparently, we've fucked like rabbits, and your pure white populace and "culture" is starting to dilute. It was bound to happen.

And again, your position here is illogical. It's bad that Europe came and roughed up Muslim culture way back when, but OK that Muslims fleeing their homelands are culturally undermining Occidentals today. Sure. Whatever. Your bias is easy to see, and not terribly original, either.

Originally Posted by Kadark
Because the British forcefully conquered other people, and commanded them to assimilate. The Muslims are not doing that.


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kadark!

The muslims are given everything they need and more, when they come here, and they want to change our laws and ways of live to suit them, and if we dont ben over and let them do it, they threaten to bomb us, or set fire to effiges outside the houses of parlament, if we did that they would be up in arms, and also they are given schools places and houses because if they are told "you have to wait, like everyone else does" they bring out the race card!

they get what they want by violence! they want differant rules, and they will say, they hate us!!

You need to stop being so literal minded. I was demonstrating what the guy in the video was doing.

What he was doing and what you're doing were two different things, as you are an intellectually dishonest habitual liar, which you demonstrate with almost every post.

I kept a link to the posts I moved, so anyone can still see them. I had to delete the one you posted after I moved the posts, because for some reason we can no longer add posts to threads in the Cesspool.

Hypocrite.

What he was doing and what you're doing were two different things
Because the English are so fair minded they only bomb people from the aircraft instead of wrapping it around their chests?:rolleyes:

Because the English are so fair minded they only bomb people from the aircraft instead of wrapping it around their chests?

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Glad you came to your senses and realised that while I was addressing the topic, you were discussing...me.

IMO it depends if they are privately owned or not. Exhumed, I'm not clear of your points?
Most business are privately owned but so what if they are not? Are you suggesting that any and all privately owned business can legally not serve Muslims or not serve Black skinned people or not serve Asians? Or that any and all non-privately owned can do likewise?

Why does it matter? Citizens should be treated equally as far as service is concerned.

I thought we have collectively progressed past the idea of "good old boy clubs" where the blacks opened the door, and that's about as far as they entered, apparently many people haven't evolved up to human statue as of yet???


Keep this in mind: the more Muslims push the pendulum to the left the harder and much stronger it will swing back to the right in the future.
That's a simple fact of history.

I say keep pushing, build a mega mosque downtown London and we can sit back and see what happens.
Might be interesting,
Michael

NOTE: I have been to many countries and I have NEVER ever once thought that the people in those countries should accommodate me. Exactly the opposite - I think I should try to learn as much about them and try to integrate with their cultural norms.

most business are privately owned. Are you suggesting that any and all privately owned business can legally not serve Muslims or not serve Black skinned people or not serve Asians?

I thought we have collectively progressed past the idea of "good old boy clubs" where the blacks opened the door, and that's about as far as they entered, apparently many people haven't evolved up to human statue as of yet.


Keep this in mind: the more Muslims push the pendulum to the left the harder and much harder it will swing back to the right in the future. That's a simple fact of history.

I've been not so politely shown the door in US stores.

Exhumed, I'm not clear of your points?
Most business are privately owned but so what if they are not? Are you suggesting that any and all privately owned business can legally not serve Muslims or not serve Black skinned people or not serve Asians? Or that any and all non-privately owned can do likewise?

I did not say Muslims should be able to racially discriminate. I thought their discrimination was on things like clothing. Like at a high class restaurant that requires men to wear tuxedos and women to wear fancy dresses.


NOTE: I have been to many countries and I have NEVER ever once thought that the people in those countries should accommodate me. Exactly the opposite - I think I should try to learn as much about them and try to integrate with their cultural norms.

Good :)

I did not say Muslims should be able to racially discriminate. I thought their discrimination was on things like clothing. Like at a high class restaurant that requires men to wear tuxedos and women to wear fancy dresses. No this is different. The dentist is 100% obviously discriminating based on his/her religious dogma. We don't do that in our culture. Actually, that cuts against the very grain of our culture. The thing that's funny is IF this idiot had his way, then HIS own religion would be banned because IF British society were based on religion, he wouldn't have to worry about his Muslim beliefs - because England would be a Xian country and he'd be religiously discriminated against.

So instead of being thankful of the progressive country he is lucky enough to live in, this f*cking twat routs the VERY same system.

Oh, he'll raise his children to be ungrateful little mirror-image twats just like himself. Then they find themselves living in an isolated crap ghetto where their neighbors react to this and return the favor treating them in a similar manner - further isolating the shit community. Then his kids will bitch they aren't being treated fairly, they live in a crap ghetto, they're being prejudice against - and they'll miss the entire irony!

No, religious discrimination should NEVER be legal and the person who acts like such should have their license pulled and by severely fined.

Like I said, the pendulum swings from right to left. Morons like this push it to the left the harder it will swing to the right. I already hear English academics complaining about the ridiculous bullshit Muslim in England are demanding. If even whiny liberal academics are getting fed up I'd say 10 years tops and expect a HUGE swing to the right. Yeah, build the mega mosque in down town London - I really want to see what happens.

I say keep pushing, build a mega mosque downtown London and we can sit back and see what happens.
Might be interesting,
Michael



Yeah, build the mega mosque in down town London - I really want to see what happens.

Do you oppose building the mosque in London?

No this is different. The dentist is 100% obviously discriminating based on his/her religious dogma. We don't do that in our culture. Actually, that cuts against the very grain of our culture. The thing that's funny is IF this idiot had his way, then HIS own religion would be banned because IF British society were based on religion, he wouldn't have to worry about his Muslim beliefs - because England would be a Xian country and he'd be religiously discriminated against.


Now I'm starting to wonder if I heard the video right. Are we talking about him demanding that his women patients are dressed according to his religious views? Please verify, I don't want to watch again ;)

If so, I do not consider that religious discrimination. Religious discrimination would be not seeing a client because they were non-Muslim.

I also do not comprehend the Mosque objections. And I do not understand why Muslim immigrants are such a problem in Europe compared to America. As I said before, there has been no complaints to the huge Muslim presence in my area. Are Muslim immigrants to Europe somehow of a different nature than the type in America that no one minds?

I've been not so politely shown the door in US stores.

Sure you have SAM. What better time and place to drop this little invented, self-aggrandizing nugget than now? And to prove your total lack of intelligence: had it REALLY happened, we'd be having a very different conversation, including one where you won mountains of cash because of a lawsuit (I'm sure you'll have some totally lame and contrived excuse as to why you didn't pursue that course).

But, then in the unlikely chance you're telling the truth, two points:


Discrimination is THE name of the game where untouchables still have to clean shit out of latrines with their bare hands (http://www.unhcr.org/home/RSDCOI/3ae6a83f0.html) for the upper class*. But, who'd expect you to focus on any of your homeland's faults, when your tired little mind is so plagued by nightmares of America? (see: you can throw out non sequiturs, so I guess everybody else can)

Who could blame them, if you acted anything like you do here: bitching and moaning about totally unconnected topics ("...what?! You sell CHOCOLATE!? You know what kind of third world labor is involved in the production of this stuff!!!!?"), I'd show you the door too.


~String

*UNHCR: Broken People: Caste Violence Against India's "Untouchables" (http://www.unhcr.org/home/RSDCOI/3ae6a83f0.html)
"An estimated forty million people in India, among them fifteen million children, are bonded laborers, working in slave-like conditions
order to pay off a debt. A majority of them are Dalits. According to government statistics, an estimated one million Dalits are manual scavengers
who clear feces from public and private latrines and dispose of dead animals..."

NOTE: I have been to many countries and I have NEVER ever once thought that the people in those countries should accommodate me. Exactly the opposite - I think I should try to learn as much about them and try to integrate with their cultural norms.

You're a horrible bigot for just thinking such a thing, don't you know Michael? In the west, we're supposed to hate ourselves and bend over backwards to accommodate and exult every "other" culture, even at the expense of ours, but if you go to "an oppressed nation" you're just supposed to leave that notion at the door and act like them, dress like them, MY GOD, even learn the language!

~String

All people who have been "not so politely shown the door" (for w/e form of discrimination) have won lawsuits now?

All people who have been "not so politely shown the door" (for w/e form of discrimination) have won lawsuits now?

No, but in most states is illegal and can earn you lump sums. It's also only TOO convenient that SAM drops this little tidbit in her never-ending effort to besmirch everything American while posturing herself as an innocent victim. You seem to have bought in to that message.

How convenient that SAM lived in the USA and has horror tales to tell... and how convenient that she suffered mind searing discrimination while here only to survive and regale us with the horrors of her experience. I'm sure she was fire-hosed in the south and had to march on Washington AND Pretoria while she was at it... right in between feeding the masses and saving the whales.

I've lived in the country for the better part of three decades, and I'm certain that many mom-and-pops don't want unwanted coloreds in the shop, but when you hear nothing but filth and bile from someone, it tends to make you suspicious of everything they say.

~String

Exhumed, I'm not clear of your points?
Most business are privately owned but so what if they are not? Are you suggesting that any and all privately owned business can legally not serve Muslims or not serve Black skinned people or not serve Asians? Or that any and all non-privately owned can do likewise?

Why does it matter? Citizens should be treated equally as far as service is concerned.

I thought we have collectively progressed past the idea of "good old boy clubs" where the blacks opened the door, and that's about as far as they entered, apparently many people haven't evolved up to human statue as of yet???


Keep this in mind: the more Muslims push the pendulum to the left the harder and much stronger it will swing back to the right in the future.
That's a simple fact of history.

I say keep pushing, build a mega mosque downtown London and we can sit back and see what happens.
Might be interesting,
Michael

NOTE: I have been to many countries and I have NEVER ever once thought that the people in those countries should accommodate me. Exactly the opposite - I think I should try to learn as much about them and try to integrate with their cultural norms.

Sure you have SAM. What better time and place to drop this little invented, self-aggrandizing nugget than now? And to prove your total lack of intelligence: had it REALLY happened, we'd be having a very different conversation, including one where you won mountains of cash because of a lawsuit (I'm sure you'll have some totally lame and contrived excuse as to why you didn't pursue that course).

But, then in the unlikely chance you're telling the truth, two points:


Discrimination is THE name of the game where untouchables still have to clean shit out of latrines with their bare hands (http://www.unhcr.org/home/RSDCOI/3ae6a83f0.html) for the upper class*. But, who'd expect you to focus on any of your homeland's faults, when your tired little mind is so plagued by nightmares of America? (see: you can throw out non sequiturs, so I guess everybody else can)

Who could blame them, if you acted anything like you do here: bitching and moaning about totally unconnected topics ("...what?! You sell CHOCOLATE!? You know what kind of third world labor is involved in the production of this stuff!!!!?"), I'd show you the door too.


~String

*UNHCR: Broken People: Caste Violence Against India's "Untouchables" (http://www.unhcr.org/home/RSDCOI/3ae6a83f0.html)
"An estimated forty million people in India, among them fifteen million children, are bonded laborers, working in slave-like conditions
order to pay off a debt. A majority of them are Dalits. According to government statistics, an estimated one million Dalits are manual scavengers
who clear feces from public and private latrines and dispose of dead animals..."


if you care to search my posts you can find a thread where Bells (who had similar experiences) and I have already discussed this in detail. :)

if you care to search my posts you can find a thread where Bells (who had similar experiences) and I have already discussed this in detail. :)

No. Short of seeing it myself, I'll just chalk this up to more lies, ignorance and deceit on your part.

~String

I love this guy. I love his rants on religion too. He's brilliant.

~String

I quit listening soon after he said "(they) are the guardians of terrorism". He may be brilliant, but he is another dishonest guy. Saudis criticizing the west on human rights is hypocrisy, but the West criticizing Saudis or Islam for sponsoring terrorists is also hypocrisy. Collateral damage is terrorism and the the USA (or China) is the champion of post Hitler sponsorship of terrorism.

If he is brilliant than it is woefully overrated. Not that he doesnt have a right to his opinion.

No. Short of seeing it myself, I'll just chalk this up to more lies, ignorance and deceit on your part.

~String

Its not a secret, and its pretty pervasive

http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/profiling/index.html

“While most people think of ‘driving while black’ when the subject of racial profiling comes up, as that is what generally is in the news, the reality is that ‘shopping while black’ is a much more pervasive problem,” says Dr. Jerome Williams. “Minorities as shoppers are much more likely to be subjected to these indignities on a day-to-day basis.”

Williams, the F.J. Heyne Centennial Professor in Communication in the Department of Advertising at The University of Texas at Austin, focuses his work on consumer racial profiling, offering expert testimony in court cases and working with other scholars across the country to better understand the problem.

Williams is clear that the problem is widespread. A survey he and a colleague conducted in 1997 found that 86 percent of African Americans believe they have been treated differently in retail stores because of their race. Other minority groups, including Latinos and increasingly people of Middle Eastern descent, also report facing discrimination in the marketplace.

My brother had to shave his beard, he was "profiled" so often

My brother had to shave his beard, he was "profiled" so often

Sorry. Not concerned.

I don't care if every middle-eastern-ish man has to be strip searched before getting on a plane. It's ridiculous in this country that a 75 year old granny with white hair is "randomly searched" and subjected to the fifth level of hell only to make Muslims feel good despite the fact that the only people blowing themselves up and flying planes into buildings are Muslims.

It's called a "profile" for a reason. It fits.

Its not a secret, and its pretty pervasive

I never said it was a secret. It happens EVERYWHERE (quick, run for the hills). You live in the nation that has cornered the market on discrimination, so I'm sure you're quite an expert on the subject.

~String

Sorry. Not concerned.

I don't care if every middle-eastern-ish man has to be strip searched before getting on a plane. It's ridiculous in this country that a 75 year old granny with white hair is "randomly searched" and subjected to the fifth level of hell only to make Muslims feel good despite the fact that the only people blowing themselves up and flying planes into buildings are Muslims.

It's called a "profile" for a reason. It fits.

~String

I'm not talking about planes, I'm talking about random discrimination. Being spat on, for instance.

And who is not spat on because they are different? SAM, you are being disingenuous and asking for your cake and eating it too. What would happen to me in India? I may be sold off into servitude/

Forced to clean your toilet.

I'm not talking about planes, I'm talking about random discrimination. Being spat on, for instance.

No society can root out individual hate actions totally, so your point is... well... pointless. Take... um... for example: Indians calling black cricket players monkeys, or... um... making people clean up poo with their bare hands. Educate us on how it works where it REALLY happens!

~String

I don't care if every middle-eastern-ish man has to be strip searched before getting on a plane. It's ridiculous in this country that a 75 year old granny with white hair is "randomly searched" and subjected to the fifth level of hell only to make Muslims feel good despite the fact that the only people blowing themselves up and flying planes into buildings are Muslims.

18 Muslims?


It's called a "profile" for a reason. It fits.


18 out of how many? :bugeye:

No society can root out individual hate actions. Take... um... for example: Indians calling black cricket players monkeys, or... um... making people clean up poo with their bare hands. Educate us on how it works where it REALLY happens!

~String

You mean bandar or kutta, I guess. We're indifferent to color for such expletives.:p

Besides, they were sledging ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A30860660

Coming from India, I know for a fact that the word “monkey” is not used in racially (in the context I have tried to define) derogatory manner. The word “kutte” (hindi for dog) is commonly used as a derogatory slang. “Bandar” (hindi for monkey) is used many a time as a derogatory slang as well, amongst Indians. It is in no way shape or form a racist rant. It would appear as though, if said by Harbhajan and heard by Symonds, he may have interpreted it as a racist rant, and therein the cultural disparity comes into play, as many before me have already noted. He is not wrong for his interpretation of it as a racist rant, Harbhajan is not wrong for saying it (as long as said in a non racially motivated manner), and if he did – he probably did because he knew it would get a rise out of Symonds (which is what sledging is all about) or maybe just because in colloquial Indian slang it is derogatory. But they both should have enough international exposure to understand cultural divides and be a little more accommodating of each other’s cultural traits that fall outside of the general accepted standards of normal civil behavior

Poor little rich girl.

18 Muslims?

Hmmm... exhumed, you might want to check your statistics... FAR more than "18 Muslims" have blown themselves up. Also, those "18 Muslims" that blew up planes here did a pretty good job of it, and thus far, it's only been them. So, until other start doing it, this profile is factual, no matter HOW impolitic it is to say so or how difficult it is for liberals to swallow.

~String

You mean bandar or kutta, I guess. We're indifferent to color for such expletives.:p

Besides, they were sledging ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A30860660

Oh... so you have a good excuse as to why it happend. Convenient. Deceptive.

Typical.

~String

Suffer the poor, the downtrodden.

Oh... so you have a good excuse as to why it happend. Convenient. Deceptive.

Typical.

~String


Deceptive? Are you saying that we should all redefine our vocabulary to accomodate those to whom some words are racial epithets because they used them as racist remarks in their culture?:p

No wonder you luuuv the guy in the video.

The meek, the servants, the ones with no one to fight for them. The forgotten masses, they should know that one day their suffering will be rewarded.

Deceptive? Are you saying that we should all redefine our vocabulary to accommodate those to whom some words are racial epithets because they used them as racist remarks in their culture?:p

Why not SAM, you seem to think that everybody on earth should adjust their cultures and language to accommodate... well... everybody else.

And yet... you avoid the issues with Dalit discrimination and focus on everybody else.

No wonder you luuuv the guy in the video.

I love the guy in the video because he wants to preserve British culture (a sin to advocate these days) and because he calls militant Islam out on its total backwardness.

~String

Hmmm... exhumed, you might want to check your statistics... FAR more than "18 Muslims" have blown themselves up. Also, those "18 Muslims" that blew up planes here did a pretty good job of it, and thus far, it's only been them. So, until other start doing it, this profile is factual, no matter HOW impolitic it is to say so or how difficult it is for liberals to swallow.

~String

Oh, I read that as "blowing themselves up flying planes into buildings" rather than separate acts. On the matter of planes, 18 is so small a percentage that such a profile seems useless, besides being deplorable. I'm glad I am not profiled in other countries for being an American, given the facts of a profile on us.

Do you oppose building the mosque in London?of course not - I said I hope they build the mosque.
I don't live in London, I've only visited the city twice and when I do I don't spend my time downtown other than to visit the British Museum. Which is really the only reason I like London at all.

Hey look at me, im abused. i got everything and some one somewhere called me a name. its not like i am eating out of a garbage can.

Oh, I read that as "blowing themselves up flying planes into buildings" rather than separate acts. On the matter of planes, 18 is so small a percentage that such a profile seems useless, besides being deplorable. I'm glad I am not profiled in other countries for being an American, given the facts of a profile on us.

Profiling is one of the most common and successfull ways to stop crime. Liberals don't want to admit it because it's a little too rough of a notion for them to swallow: a crime COULD be related to a person's race!

Besides: Americans are profiled overseas (and are spat upon and discriminated against), and for GOOD reason: Americans are horrific tourists (I know, I've traveled with a few) and think that somehow their "American Rights" follow them overseas.

~String

Why not SAM, you seem to think that everybody on earth should adjust their cultures and language to accommodate... well... everybody else.

And yet... you avoid the issues with Dalit discrimination and focus on everybody else.


What issue with Dalit discrimination would you like to help with?:)


I love the guy in the video because he wants to preserve British culture (a sin to advocate these days) and because he calls militant Islam out on its total backwardness.

~String

Its rather hypocritical to impose your language and culture on people wherever you go and then expect them to respect yours, doncha think?

Its rather hypocritical to impose your language and culture on people wherever you go and then expect them to respect yours, doncha think?

Except that the British are hardly imposing their culture and language "wherever they go" and it isn't preposterous for Britain to want people to assimilate in to their culture when they get there. So, no, you're wrong. Wrong in the same way that if a British person moved to Argentina or Russia, they should have to dress, act and talk like the natives. The same rule applies to the emigrants to Britain.

~String

Profiling is one of the most common and successfull ways to stop crime. Liberals don't want to admit it because it's a little too rough of a notion for them to swallow: a crime COULD be related to a person's race!

Racial profiling isn't, and on top of that it is ... racist.


Besides: Americans are profiled overseas (and are spat upon and discriminated against), and for GOOD reason: Americans are horrific tourists (I know, I've traveled with a few) and think that somehow their "American Rights" follow them overseas.


Actually that is quite true. I've experienced it, but not in a way that ever gave me cause to worry.

What issue with Dalit discrimination would you like to help with?

Little of your help is required beyond your realization that the worst and most destructive discrimination on Earth happens in your own back yard. All this time spent shoving pecadillos down the throat of the west could be used in more productive ways in India to stop the plight of your brethren.

~String

Racial profiling isn't, and on top of that it is ... racist.

Whatever Exhumed, it's "racist". It's also very much effective. Talk to any law enforcement office (why is it so common place around the world then? IT certainly isn't just for fun, even minorities profile other minorities: the truth hurts, but it's still truth: a black teenager driving an Escalade is more likely to have stolen it than to have bought it).

Another liberal mantra: If you say the word "racist" LOUD enough, it makes anything that you label unacceptable

Whatever Exhumed, it's "racist". It's also very much effective. Talk to any law enforcement office (why is it so common place around the world then? IT certainly isn't just for fun, even minorities profile other minorities: the truth hurts, but it's still truth: a black teenager driving an Escalade is more likely to have stolen it than to have bought it).

I doubt that is statistically accurate. Even if it is, it is racist to treat a black youth in an escalade different than a white youth, by definition. But if that is your reasoning, a Arab/Muslim/Dark skinned/whatever is far, far...far... more likely to be a passenger than a terrorist, so why do you seem to support worse treatment for them at airports?

Little of your help is required beyond your realization that the worst and most destructive discrimination on Earth happens in your own back yard. All this time spent shoving pecadillos down the throat of the west could be used in more productive ways in India to stop the plight of your brethren.

~String

So because there is class discrimination against Dalits in India (inspite of a Dalit President, Prime Minister and women Chief Ministers, not to mention upto 55% reservation of seats) and mostly in the half of the population that is poor and uneducated, we should ignore the fact that rich educated countries are discriminating on the basis of religion, ethnicity and colour through government actions , among others?

But if that is your reasoning, a Arab/Muslim/Dark skinned/whatever is far, far...far... more likely to be a passenger than a terrorist, so why do you seem to support worse treatment for them at airports?

Because, Exhumed, Arabs are the ONLY PEOPLE ON EARTH who are blowing themselves up in populated market squares and, THUS FAR the only people who have and who regularly attempt to hijack, fly and/or blow up civilian airplanes.

It's beyond idiotic that we would say, "Well, we're not going to search you because you're Arab" and then have that same guy blow himself up. Prove that NOT profiling the 9/11 terrorists would NOT have stopped 9/11. You can't, because if we practiced then, what we do now, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. Sure, try to use other liberal distractions (what if we searched EVERYBODY so that we looked all warm and fuzzy), but until white 75 year old ladies start jacking Escalades or blowing up 747's, then no matter how much it makes you squeamish, the fact is: profiling works.

Maybe, just MAYBE you might have a point on the "black kid being profiled issue", because not all carjackings are the result of black kids, but, sorry to say, every notable hijacking, plane crashing and suicide bombing has been the result of a Muslim. To ignore that fact in order to make liberals sleep better is moronic.

~String

Except that the British are hardly imposing their culture and language "wherever they go" and it isn't preposterous for Britain to want people to assimilate in to their culture when they get there. So, no, you're wrong. Wrong in the same way that if a British person moved to Argentina or Russia, they should have to dress, act and talk like the natives. The same rule applies to the emigrants to Britain.

~String

Do British immigrants assimilate?

A new study of migration from the UK to Spain reveals that many British migrants are failing to integrate well into life in their new country. A survey of 340 migrants to towns, villages, inland and coastal areas of the Malaga province in Spain finds very low levels of integration. A third of migrants rarely or never meet Spanish people (other than in shops and restaurants), 60 per cent do not speak good Spanish, half never read a Spanish newspaper, most have never voted in an election in Spain, half do not have residence cards, and over a third are not registered on the town hall register. Moreover, many are not registered with the local doctor or health service.


Because, Exhumed, Arabs are the ONLY PEOPLE ON EARTH who are blowing themselves up in populated market squares and, THUS FAR the only people who have and who regularly attempt to hijack, fly and/or blow up civilian airplanes.

Why are these Arabs blowing themselves up?

So because there is class discrimination against Dalits in India (inspite of a Dalit President, Prime Minister and women Chief Ministers, not to mention upto 55% reservation of seats) and mostly in the half of the population that is poor and uneducated, we should ignore the fact that rich educated countries are discriminating on the basis of religion, ethnicity and colour through government actions , among others?

No, you should just realize that all your caterwauling is, and will be taken with a grain of hypocritical fault.

~String

P.S. your claims about Dalit success is like a southern racist saying, "Look, we have a negro Secretary of State... everything's fine!"

Do British immigrants assimilate?

What? So, because moronic British immigrants don't assimilate, that means that Britain shouldn't demand that emigrants to Britain assimilate? Fine, the Brit expats should be deported or heavily fined. Simple. I think that the Brits are wrong. End of story.

~String

Why are these Arabs blowing themselves up?

Because they are insane and emotionally retarded..

~String

So because there is class discrimination against Dalits in India (inspite of a Dalit President, Prime Minister and women Chief Ministers, not to mention upto 55% reservation of seats) and mostly in the half of the population that is poor and uneducated, we should ignore the fact that rich educated countries are discriminating on the basis of religion, ethnicity and colour through government actions , among others?

That's it Sam! Defend the atrocity! You go girl!

Because they are insane and emotionally retarded..

~String

Why?

What? So, because moronic British immigrants don't assimilate, that means that Britain shouldn't demand that emigrants to Britain assimilate? Fine, the Brit expats should be deported or heavily fined. Simple. I think that the Brits are wrong. End of story.

~String

P.S. I lived in Spain, I never hung out with Brits for this reason.

No, you should just realize that all your caterwauling is, and will be taken with a grain of hypocritical fault.

~String

P.S. your claims about Dalit success is like a southern racist saying, "Look, we have a negro Secretary of State... everything's fine!"

So you think having a Dalit President, Prime Minister and a Dalit woman Chief Minister is not an accomplishment for the Dalits?

That's it Sam! Defend the atrocity! You go girl!

Get your eyes checked.

Why?

Because Islam is a backward religion, that relegates the separation of the sexes. Social integration of men and women provides a meaningful outlet for male sexual and social desires. Interaction with women, in fact, softens and matures men. Forcing men into a sexually segregated society throughout their formative years, when they should be exploring relations with the opposite sex, results in men who reverberate endless aggression and militant ideals off each other until, once matured adults, all they have and know is the pure flow of internalized anger and prejudice about everything alien to them.

~String

So you think having a Dalit President, Prime Minister and a Dalit woman Chief Minister is not an accomplishment for the Dalt's?

Sure, and all those coloreds in elected and appointed office here means that there is no discrimination in American either!

~String

Sure, and all those coloreds in elected and appointed office here means that there is no discrimination in American either!

~String

See? I knew you'd eventually get it. ;)

But, we're discussing demonising a people for their religion here.

Especially when the ones doing the demonising are also simulataneously responsible for post-colonial interference, right up to THIS DAY, ie for the last 100 years, the British, as part of the UN, WB, IMF, arms traders, Israel creators, "liberators" have been interfering with the lives of Muslims in their own countries.

Because Islam is a backward religion, that relegates the separation of the sexes.
~String

So the Arabs are killing themselves by exploding etc because they are Muslims.

Social integration of men and women provides a meaningful outlet for male sexual and social desires. Interaction with women, in fact, softens and matures men. Forcing men into a sexually segregated society throughout their formative years, when they should be exploring relations with the opposite sex, results in men who reverberate endless aggression and militant ideals off each other until, once matured adults, all they have and know is the pure flow of internalized anger and prejudice about everything alien to them.


Like the west that is occupying two countries in which hundreds of thousands have been carpet bombed.

Because Islam is a backward religion, that relegates the separation of the sexes. Social integration of men and women provides a meaningful outlet for male sexual and social desires. Interaction with women, in fact, softens and matures men. Forcing men into a sexually segregated society throughout their formative years, when they should be exploring relations with the opposite sex, results in men who reverberate endless aggression and militant ideals off each other until, once matured adults, all they have and know is the pure flow of internalized anger and prejudice about everything alien to them.

~String

We can't stop here though. Ask Women how they feel about about the pressure to shave their legs and wear heels. We use images of sexy young women to sell everything. Welcome to the omnipresent soft porn world. We don't know how to make marriages work.

If the current Arabs and the and the Puritans from the 1600s represent the mindset of 11 year old boys, our current western culture represents the mindset of 14 year old boys. We still need to grow up and the girls voices still are not being heard.

Tu quoque every damn time.

If the current Arabs and the and the Puritans from the 1600s represent the mindset of 11 year old boys, our current western culture represents the mindset of 14 year old boys. We still need to grow up and the girls voices still are not being heard.

I can't disagree there.

~String

So the Arabs are killing themselves by exploding etc because they are Muslims.

They wouldn't be doing it if they Muslim. Case in point: "western imperialism" and "cultural encroachment" exists everywhere, but only Muslims are strapping plastique to their bodies and blowing themselves up.

It's called "trouble shooting". Isolate the variables, subtract the constants, and what you're left with, is usually the correct answer, no matter how hard it is for you to accept. You're desperate mind-exhausting excuse making doesn't change the fact that Muslims aren't successful in today's world where other oppressed cultures have run circles around them, and in each case totally free of the mega-billions of dollars to stimulate the growth that is the result of petrol sales. Nope: they did it with their whits, ingenuity and entrepreneurship. Explore the cultures where "western imperialism" exists (and in some cases, much worse), but where there aren't Muslims and you see people who do better (Korea, Vietnam). It's a fact that you couldn't possibly explore or understand. One can look at numerous comparable examples in Asia and see worse treatment on the part of European colonial powers or American imperialism than anything in the Muslim world, but in most cases, they've prospered, adjusted and rebounded because they aren't hobbled by social handicaps that Islam imparts on the adherent.

Muslims decrying western imperialism is the same as a whiney loser in an otherwise successful democracy making excuses for their lack of success. In the end, all they are excuses and, thus far, it's all the Muslims have to offer.

~String

By tu quoque, I mean it is a form of fallacy to deflect discussion of a possibly valid criticism of a culture by pointing out the critic's culture also falls short of perfect. All cultures on Earth fall short of the mark in one way or another. And we humans can't even agree on the qualities that an ideal culture would possess.

Again, one must wonder, why Indian Hindu fit well into English society. Gee their whole country was invaded yet here we are with many well integrated Indian Hindus in London. Many Buddhists in London. Many Shinto Japanese in London. Many Germans living just fine in London. Many Chinese in London and they only just got the last bit of their territory back.

Yet, here we are with a bunch of Muslims who, just like the Muslims in the Philippians, Thailand, China, Belgium, Russia, Eastern Europe, India, France, Germany and everywhere else - just can't seem to integrate.

- Could this be related to the same phenomenon that resulted in the woman who refused to shake my hand?
- Hmmm I wonder is it related to the reason why Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr changed his name to an Arabic one?
- Hmmm I wonder is it related to the reason why SAM can't fathom the concept that the Qur'an may be flawed?
- Hmmm I wonder is it related to the reason why some Sunni consider Shia lower than humans? (yeah, not a split my arse)
- Hmmm I wonder is it related to the reason why some Muslims think Arabic is God's perfect language?

Yeah build the mega-Mosque in downtown London, don't serve patrons that refuse to wear a full Burka, teach your children that only your religion is perfect and everyone else is flawed, refuse to integrate and continue to segregate yourselves into little Muslim ghettos.

Armed with the Perfect Philosophy called Islam I see you guys are well on your way to personal Enlightenment. Tell Xenu I said Hi when you meet him.

Michael

They wouldn't be doing it if they Muslim. Case in point: "western imperialism" and "cultural encroachment" exists everywhere, but only Muslims are strapping plastique to their bodies and blowing themselves up.

It's called "trouble shooting". Isolate the variables, subtract the constants, and what you're left with, is usually the correct answer, no matter how hard it is for you to accept. You're desperate mind-exhausting excuse making doesn't change the fact that Muslims aren't successful in today's world where other oppressed cultures have run circles around them, and in each case totally free of the mega-billions of dollars to stimulate the growth that is the result of petrol sales. Nope: they did it with their whits, ingenuity and entrepreneurship. Explore the cultures where "western imperialism" exists (and in some cases, much worse), but where there aren't Muslims and you see people who do better (Korea, Vietnam). It's a fact that you couldn't possibly explore or understand. One can look at numerous comparable examples in Asia and see worse treatment on the part of European colonial powers or American imperialism than anything in the Muslim world, but in most cases, they've prospered, adjusted and rebounded because they aren't hobbled by social handicaps that Islam imparts on the adherent.

Muslims decrying western imperialism is the same as a whiney loser in an otherwise successful democracy making excuses for their lack of success. In the end, all they are excuses and, thus far, it's all the Muslims have to offer.

~String

So the problem is they're resisting foreign intervention rather than accomodating it. Unlike the yahoo in the video, who is sooooo accomodating.

Again, one must wonder, why Indian Hindu fit well into English society. Gee their whole country was invaded yet here we are with many well integrated Indian Hindus in London. ......

- Hmmm I wonder is it related to the reason why SAM can't fathom the concept that the Qur'an may be flawed?

I would rather not defend Muslims, but Muslim bashing is a bigger problem than stupid proud mean Muslims in my opinion.

I sort of like your question though Michael. Why do Muslims strap on bombs and blow themselves up to fight back against any offense when others let offenses slide?

I don't know that you like your own question as much as I do.

I have a bunch of Mayan (native Guatemalan) immigrants living near me in the USA. USA tax payers paid for 50,000 of their cousins to be killed in the 1980's and they get mad at the USA. They just want to work.

I think the difference between those who let injustice slide and those who don't let injustice done against them slide is pride. I think the Arabs have gotten their pride hurt while the Mayans and Hindus had dropped the pride hundreds of years ago.

I don't know how Christians would do if they were suddenly dominated by non-Christians. Egyptian Coptic Christians have been dominated by Muslims too long for them to be an example. Russian Communists dominated Russian Christians but they were not foreigners; no hurt pride there.

Americans are a proud people. If Muslims some how seemed to be taking control of the USA I would not be surprised if we turned into suicide bombers if that was the only way to fight back.

The Japanese Kamikaze pilots seem to have been motivated by pride.

My first impression of the translate Qur'an was not good. It may be better than the old testament but I did not see anything on the level of the words of Jesus. I only read about a fifth of it. Still I don't not that the Quaran is to blame.

Muslims got along fairly well with non-Muslims when the non-Muslims were not jerks. The real answer to the Muslim violence towards the West problem is for the West to start behaving as Jesus instructed and stop being jerks, and stop trying to run the world.

Why are these Arabs blowing themselves up?

Yopu know what? It isn't that important WHY they are blowing themsleves up as much as that they are. If they were just blowing themselves up in an open field away from any bystanders or property i might be inclined to wondfer why. But they aren't, they are commiting countless murders and honestly it has to stop. If they want to commit suicide that's fine, just don;t be taking innoccent people too.

Yopu know what? It isn't that important WHY they are blowing themsleves up as much as that they are. If they were just blowing themselves up in an open field away from any bystanders or property i might be inclined to wondfer why. But they aren't, they are commiting countless murders and honestly it has to stop. If they want to commit suicide that's fine, just don;t be taking innoccent people too.

Collateral damages.

Collateral damages.

True, but a Suicide bomber only produces collateral damage, not any other kind. So in effect they are just commiting mass murder for no real purpose. If they took out a mostly empty building and managed to only kill one or two people becuase of smart planning, that would generate much better results.

it's simple, Americans are not like most cultures. You kill a few hundred of us and ywe don't cower, we get pissed and extract revenge. The more of us you kill the more we take form you and it's always assymetrical. You take five of us we take 500 hundred of you. Militant islam is too used to dealing with Eye for an Eye, they have no real grasp of attrition warfare.

Plus honestly, their recent tactic of using the mentally and physically handicapped as suicide bombers is not endearing them with anyone.

nirakar,

I agree there is something of a pride thing going on. It's hard for a man to be proud about a 2 cm penis no matter how many times his wife tells him size doesn't matter.

Anyway, in another thread I made a parallel observation in the Chinese. Many Chinese like to take a lot of credit for Japanese accomplishments.

Many Islamic superstitions are not compatible with multiculturalism. I have heard Indians say it, Thai say it, Filipinos say it, Chinese say it, Russians say it, hell even Ethiopians and Kenyans - and now it seems the Germans, French and English are beginning to say exactly the same thing.

Hmmm must be something wrong with the Thai, Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Germans, French, Kenyans, English, etc.. etc.. etc..

Did I mention the time that this poor 15 year girl was stuffed into a burka and tried to swim on Coogee Beach? I know many Thai, Indians, Chinese, Japanese are conservative and sure they don't go around topless like the Scandinavians and Austrians but I've never seen one stuff their child in a tent. I've never seen Kenyans do it either.

Multicultural means bringing the best of your society culture and sharing it with everyone else for the better of everyone. Is this the best Islam has? Burkas and Bombs?

Michael

Is Muslim prudishness any of our business? If we condemn Muslim prudishness, traditionalism, religious extremism, and patriarchy, would we be speeding up the Muslims moving to a new phase or slowing down Muslims moving to a new phase?

The backlash against amoral materialist slightly pornographic culture has been a global phenomena since 1980. The Muslims got the strongest case of the backlash. Let them work it out by themselves.

When the little girl swimming in the Burka grows up and has kids, the kids won't be wearing burkas on the beach. They will be Australians acting like Australians and the grand parents won't like it. I have seen this before. The only way they don't end up being Australians acting like Australians is if Australians screw up the transition by persecuting the girl in the Burka while she is growing up.

So the problem is they're resisting foreign intervention rather than accommodating it. Unlike the yahoo in the video, who is sooooo accommodating.

So, he (and Britain) should accommodate people who want special courts within the country, who want special privileges and who's ultimate aim is to sub-plant their host culture. Sure. Whatever.

Muslims are "resisting foreign intervention"? Is that what Muslims are doing? Because it looks to me like most Muslim nations are frantically trying to figure out how to get capital investment in their countries in order to make their economies grow while simultaneously trying to figure out why it isn't working. I wonder why?

For starters, there isn't a self respecting investor in the west who would pour money into a Muslim nation-- at least-- not to the level they do, say, Vietnam (well, beyond oil refineries and whatnot). There's a reason why: Muslims, on the whole, don't tolerate diversity (you know, the way you say western nations should), and have a despicable record of acting like they adhere to the "religion of peace."

Other developing nations in Asia, like Vietnam, have HARDLY accepted pure, "western style" capitalism. Tell me, besides Vietnam having been the most bombed nation on Earth*, what's different about them? Lawfulness, dedication, desire to improve? They've hardly surrendered to western imperialism.

No. Sorry SAM. All you've offered are more sad excuses in your long list of excuses for why Muslims fail at pretty much everthing... except... well, selling oil & dates, oppressing women & infidels, and being first rate terrorists. Some stereotypes exist for a good reason.

~String

*"Over 14 months, however, approximately 2,750,000 tons of bombs were dropped, more than the total dropped by the Allies in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War)..."

True, but a Suicide bomber only produces collateral damage, not any other kind. So in effect they are just commiting mass murder for no real purpose. If they took out a mostly empty building and managed to only kill one or two people becuase of smart planning, that would generate much better results.

it's simple, Americans are not like most cultures. You kill a few hundred of us and ywe don't cower, we get pissed and extract revenge. The more of us you kill the more we take form you and it's always assymetrical. You take five of us we take 500 hundred of you. Militant islam is too used to dealing with Eye for an Eye, they have no real grasp of attrition warfare