A new future for Gaza?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1201070782921&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

It has been reported that over a third of a million people went from Gaza to Egypt through the blown up border to buy supplies and return. Israeli officials said

When Sharon started the Disengagement process that was the whole idea. The plan was to:

1. Remove any Israelis living in Gaza, thus making Gaza Jew free
2. Pulling the IDF from Gaza back into "Israel proper" (since no more "settlers" were there anymore to keep protecting)
3. Gift any existing infrastructure that the "settlers" have built to the PA to use it as they see fit
4. Give up control of the Gaza/Egypt border to the PA
5. To continue to gradually handing over control - and responsibility - to the PA until Gazans are not dependant on Israel anymore
6. Once dependance on Israel is removed, independence for the "Palestinians" is easier to achieve

US's undersecretary of State had the following to say about the stampede into Egypt:

... which is an indication that Egypt will now be having a larger role and responsibility with dealing with the "Palestinians". But it's not just any "Palestinians". It's HAMAS.

Needless to say, Egypt doesn't want it:

But why? Don't fellow Arabs who cry daily about "teh occupation" and Israel controlling Gazans' lives etc. want this? Freedom for the "Palestinians" from the occupation and control of Zionists?

Here's why I think that is: because Arabs believe the "Palestinians" are hopeless. They only prop up HAMAS because it kills Israelis. They only talk about peace because they know it's impossible to achieve with the rejectionist HAMAS around. They know that as long as HAMAS exists, the "Palestinians" can never get their shit together. That is why there is no point in "ending the occupation". Because it won't lead to order, or the construction of infrustructure that a state consists of.

Furthermore, HAMAS is so unpredictable and violent that it might distabalize Egypt... But why? Isn't HAMAS an anti-occupation resistance movement? Why would it destabilize Egypt? Because Arab kings and presidents know what it really is: a force of instability, not the saviours of the "Palestinian people".

In conclusion, Israel is dying (no pun intended) to end this so-called "occupation". Israel does not want to control millions of "Palestinians'" lives and be responsible for them. It's morally painful, a strain on resources, and doesn't buy any goodwill from the world. If only Arab governments followed up on their lip service and helped Gazans become independent and prosperous...

Anyway, given the developments with the border, Egypt may increasingly be called upon to control Gaza and may hopefully become involved more and more in Gazans' lives. Let's see how serious Arabs are about wanting Israel to stop "occupation".

 

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Good for the Gazans.

Be interesting to see if Israel allows Egypt to increase military presence at Rafa.

Maybe now discussion can finally move forward on dismantling Israeli illegal settlements and moving back to the green line.

 

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Not until the suicide bombing, and rockets stop, and Hammas recognizes Israel right to exist.

What I find interesting is that Egypt had a closed border with Gaza, and wasn't letting aid flow or fuel through their border crossings.

 

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Israel DID move to the green line in Gaza.

As for Rafa, I think that already has happened. I think the 1979 agreement was gently amended just for the sake of making Egypt's border guards' jobs easier.

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). Is the sciforums community not capable of anything other than demagoguing in absolutes and ideologies?

 

I think there are still issues with allowing the Egyptian police/military near the border?

 

Yes... the little matter of having Egyptian army so close to Israel.

 

As compared to having the IDF perpetually in Gaza :roflmao:

I love the cognitive dissonance of Israelis

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I'm not gonna get into history since your own cognitive dissonance prevents you from learning why having Egypt's army on Israel's borders be a problem. You will degenerate into a string of OCDs...

 

Yeah, look at how many countries Egypt invades on a regular basis. How many lands and villages it occupies, how many illegal settlements it builds. Etc. I used to work with an Egyptian Christian. He actually hated the Star of David merely as a symbol of Israel. Sad.

 

I personally know 2 Egyptian Christians who ... never mind. Here you go with the tangents again.

Anyway... take your med SAM.

 

otheadp,

Well I read your opening post and all I have to say is that you nailed it in on the head. In particular, this line pretty much sums it up:

"They know that as long as HAMAS exists, the "Palestinians" can never get their shit together."

 

Yeah because before 1980s when Hamas came into being, Israel was not occupying Palestine. :bugeye:

In fact, the support that Israel gave to Islamic fundamentalists that later became Hamas had nothing to do with countering the secular PLO freedom movement

 

As long as the Palestinians are living with pre-80's mentality they will never get their shit together. It's the same thing for inner-city black people in the U.S. As long as they live with slave mentality they will never get their shit together.

 

Its not the Palestinians who need to do-over their mentality. Its the people who think they have a "right" to "Israel" because they are Jewish.

 

"SAM", "please" go "take" your "meds" .... like "now"

 

On a sidenote, not everyone who lives in Israel is Jewish (I know quite a few christians and non-theists whom work in Yehud). Regardless, Israelis have their shit together. Palistinians do not. It doesn't matter where they've been, it matters where they are.

 

Where they are is militarily occupying native people. That sort of thing does not go over too well when the native people refuse to budge (and breed like rabbits). Indians have been there.

On a sidenote, the non-Jewish population is a source of great worry for the Jewish. They keep close track of birth rates and are willing to rearrange borders to ensure their Jewish majority

 

India is still there.

Like India rearranged borders to suit themselves.

 

Yeah and so will Palestine.

 

They haven't yet and never will as long as they spend their money of weapons.

Hell they can't even get along with each other.