Our current system DOES NOT WORK!
I think we need to change our current split governments into a World government, with little local Governments making the little local decisions.

Obviousely (Sorry I cannot spell) we couldn't have one leader, instead I propose that each of the four corners of the globe nominate a representitive, These four people would then meet and make all of the big decisions.

If they do not all agree then the whole world should be asked to vote, and this would make the fifth and therfore deciding vote.

Currently this wouldn't work as the time it takes to count all of the votes would be too long. Instead we would need to introduce an electronic voting system.

What do you think??????

Well it's my first post so I hope everything goes well.

Although your idea is very appealing... I don't think it would work. First of all, the hostility between nations would hinder any foreign relations (the War on Terror for example). Also, what would become of our current military? Would there be a peace-keeping force much like the U.N.? The number of laws and regulations that would have to be either revamped or put into effect would be countless. I won't bash your idea anymore, I would support any such change... It's just that everyone doesn't think like you and I (but wouldn't that be great ;))

Welcome....

Bash my idea all you want, I haven't given it much time to settle in my mind yet. I just wanted to see what everyone else thinks about it...

First of all, the hostility between nations would hinder any foreign relations (the War on Terror for example).

Ok. But is it not true that most people in these countries don't care? It is only the leaders who enter into wars to stay in power? With those leaders chucked away.... and no longer any disputes over boarders (as there will be none in the traditional sense)... the only thing to fight over is religion.

Also, what would become of our current military?

Yes, there would have to be a peace keeping force to begin with, but once everything settles down and everyone in the world is happy no one would fight/want to take over etc...

The number of laws and regulations that would have to be either revamped or put into effect would be countless.

Yep, we would have to start from scratch... but would that be a bad thing?

It's just that everyone doesn't think like you and I (but wouldn't that be great )

Yes it would. The problem is that people are afraid of change. Look at England. The Euro would be a great thing for us, but no-one wants to loose the pound!

Perhaps the only way to percieve the outcome of this idea is to go ahead with it. How then, shifting gears, would one such as yourself go about involving the world in a revolution of this magnitude? A letter to our president? Who makes the decisions... I guess, like you said, world leaders would meet in international waters and work this out. How long would this type of change take to settle in? This is interesting but more than likely going nowhere :rolleyes:

You are right. The world leaders would NEVER agree to this, they are all too selfish, big headed and power hungry.

We would have to lead a revolt, i.e The entire population of the world would have to stand together against the leaders.

but perhaps all is not lost, with the EU Europe is slowly turning into a European State/Country and once that happens the next logical step would be to become a part of the US, then recruit Asia etc... (hmm in my dreams maby).

Originally posted by sjmarsha
Yes it would. The problem is that people are afraid of change. Look at England. The Euro would be a great thing for us, but no-one wants to loose the pound!

Or perhaps they are more afraid of conformity? England has a great and long standing historical identity... some would like to throw that all away to become... just another European state. For financial benefits.

Yes, I would give it all away... Like you said its History, what happens in the distant past should have no bearing on the future if the human race is going to move forward...

Yes, I would give it all away... Like you said its History, what happens in the distant past should have no bearing on the future if the human race is going to move forward...

Well put.

World governemt will NEVER work.

A constitutionally non-bias body that supports discussions ALONE among all countries will work. The Current UN does not fit these criteria. I see it as always having a bias, and as more of a propogandic tool among the superpowers. NOBODY should have control over such a body, and such a body, let alone any, should have control over any country.

Thats the way I see things. But well have to sit through at least a WWIII, in order to get such a thing.

Well, as I see it, you can't just "turn on" world government and hope for the best. You can slowly begin to meld countires together, however. Take the Canada-USA relationship as a good place to start. Both countries have a lot to do with each others economies, and when there's a war of any kind, they fight side by side like a single army.

That's a good starting block, wouldn't you agree? Slowly phase out the American government and Canadian government, and slowly phase in the government governing both countries combined, over a period of many years. Try this with a few more countries, and slowly, ten countries become "one".

Of course, when the NATO countries start doing this, some other countires make their own league, and then you have this World War III thing where the entire Earth is destroyed in a Nuclear War. Or so it would seem.

Yeah, tensions continue to escalate until *POW* you've got WWIII. Another World War is inevitable though, it's just a matter of when . Hopefully I'll be long gone by that time... Although that's a self-centered thing to say, I just lack any patriotism.

Hey people, have u ever read the "Gog and Magog" Prophecy?

PEACE for all,

love u,

Gil Weinstein :)

No I haven't. Whats it about?

Gog & Magog (http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/SESLL/STELLA/STARN/prose/GALT/GOG/gog.htm)

The names were used in Judeao-Christian mythology, but I think they came from old British legends first. Not sure.

Well, a one world government would at least have one advantage: No more refugee problems.

Mind you, that's because with one world government, there'd no longer be any refuge... If that government went bonkers, the whole world would go bonkers at once! There'd be no place left to run to.

Speaking as an engineer, when you've got to build a working system out of components which exibit a high rate of catastrophic failure, you go for a high level of redundancy, not one central system guaranteeing that any failure will take the entire mechanism down. Given that governments do exibit a high rate of failure, (Most of the people who were murdered during the last century were KILLED BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS! Genocide is a more common cause of death than private murder, or being killed by somebody else's government invading your country.) the very last thing we ought to be doing is trying to unify them. Maybe what we really ought to be doing is splitting them up, so that no one government is big enough to cause a serious problem?

Originally posted by Brett Bellmore
Maybe what we really ought to be doing is splitting them up, so that no one government is big enough to cause a serious problem?

Hmm, but my idea was to unite the whole world not split it up into little factions... I wanted to get all the best scientists and engineers working for one goal TOGETHER and the best way to do this is to only have one country/government....

"I wanted to get all the best scientists and engineers working for one goal TOGETHER and the best way to do this is to only have one country/government...."

That much is certainly true: If you want everybody working for one goal, you need one world-wide government, and what's more, it has to be a totalitarian government. Because, after all, people have their own ideas of what they want to do with their lives, and so you can't get everybody marching to the same drum unless you're willing to kill the people who march to any other drum.

The question that always arises at this point is, if you DID get that one world government, capable of forcibly uniting everybody behind a single goal, what in the world makes you think that it would be YOUR goal?

You will never see a one world government in your life time but I believe it will eventually happen. First you will see a one world economy - with free movement of capital and goods. Free movement of labor will be next. With diffusion of population and alien invasion, the world will be closer to one.

I honestly don't understand this: Why is monopoly considered a terrible offense when it's found among businesses, but thought by pretty much the same people to be a worthy goal for government?

Why the heck is one world-wide government a more desirable goal than one world-wide telephone company, or one world-wide steel cartel? Heck, at least the phone company can't SHOOT you!

Originally posted by Brett Bellmore
"The question that always arises at this point is, if you DID get that one world government, capable of forcibly uniting everybody behind a single goal, what in the world makes you think that it would be YOUR goal?

As long as it is a good goal (i.e. one that helps all of humanity) then its ok by me.:)

A new Government for the Whole world!


Only after the Indo-Pak Nuclear war....?

When I was in the 7th grade, we had this class simulation of the forming of the UN after WW2. We were split into groups of 3, and we had to decide on how to vote on each issue. When we came to the specific question of how the UN should work, there were options for making the UN as it is today, for having no UN at all, some other options I don't remember now, and finally, there was the one that caught my eye: "other (make up your own idea)". I came up with the idea that there would be a world government. My best friend was in the same group with me, so he agreed, and even though the other student protested that this would never happen, the teacher said that it was a majority vote, 2 out of 3.

I still think it is a good idea, but very, very difficult to implement. Ultimately, you have to ask yourself what the purpose of it is. If trade has already been freely opened, then you can't argue that it will help the economy much. And what of the countries that don't want to be a part of it?

What I came up with is that the purpose of it is specifically for providing a more effective way of dealing with countries that don't want to be held accountable for their actions. A world government could hold the US much more responsible for failing to live up to promises about reducing air pollution. It could prevent the destruction of rainforests in countries that don't care to save it.

But how do you go about establishing it into place? There are people in some countries, especially the US, that resent any kind of breaking down of isolationism policies. Some want to see the UN and EU completely broken apart as it is. I still don't have an answer.

Maybe what we do need is a WW3 after all. Panicked people are much more likely to accept an idea that promises them what they want.

Originally posted by sjmarsha
Yes, I would give it all away... Like you said its History, what happens in the distant past should have no bearing on the future if the human race is going to move forward...

No, you missed the point... individual countries, nations and peoples would lose their identities in the mishmash of a world government. the Brits dont want the euro partly because they dont want to be labelled as "europeans", which is highly understandable. The USA, being isolated, wouldn't have a problem of this nature given its isolation, and their history only spans a few hundred years as opposed to thousands, so perhaps it's more difficult for you to understand.

I'm Australian... and would be VERY upset if someone labelled us as being part of the "Greater South-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere"... get it?

In order to make it happen, nuclear explosions or fall outs has to affect 1 to 2 millions each in the following areas:

North America
China
Indo-Pak area
Europe (France, England, Germany)

They have to happen within a short peroid.

Just Indo-Pak nuclear war may not be enough....

"A new Government for the Whole world!"

That's a recipe for disaster...
Do you know what humans make for power?
Do you know how the power could be distributed in this situation?

Power is not very good for humans... it blinds us...
When many years ago some guys tried to created a government without power they KNEW what they were doing...

Well... unfortunatly... they didn't apllied it by themselves... their ideas were applied by people that wanted power... and you can see the results...

Very well put, Nelson.

As Lord Acton said, "All power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Does that mean, God is a corrupted dude?....:D

Absolutely, Kmguru ;)

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
"A new Government for the Whole world!"

That's a recipe for disaster...
Do you know what humans make for power?
Do you know how the power could be distributed in this situation?

Power is not very good for humans... it blinds us...
When many years ago some guys tried to created a government without power they KNEW what they were doing...

Well... unfortunatly... they didn't apllied it by themselves... their ideas were applied by people that wanted power... and you can see the results...

TruthSeeker, that's EXACTLY why we need to etablish a NEW
government for the whole world.

People don't want that shit they eating anymore.
Your recipe is actually the actual political administration.
For instance, look at United States Government (Believe me- others are not better). It doesn't give enough info that the public should and must to know (Abductions-for-Technology Grey Contract, September 11th, secret projects like "Montana" and so on) because the simple fact it wants its citizens to be blind because it doesn't want to lose its power. But they don't understand that their power is our power. We all human beings, damn it. That's why the time arrived to establish something *very* different.

In addition, the new global govt. should be based on new values.
I think humans are ready for that, but first we need to explain to the totally blinded people why the current recipe is BAD.


Peace, groove on (BTW- where is RipleOfDeath? I miss him... :(),

Gil Weinstein.

Originally posted by Gil_W


TruthSeeker, that's EXACTLY why we need to etablish a NEW
government for the whole world.


No Gil, thats EXACTLY why we DON't need a centralised world governement. The shit you're talking about would simply have moved a bit further up the rungs of power and have more control than ever before.

Except, with one world government, there would be nobody powerful enough to do anything about it.

Originally posted by Squid Vicious

"...Except, with one world government, there would be nobody powerful enough to do anything about it"

Squid Vicious (what does it mean? ;)), I'm afraid you right about it, that the world is still not ready for it. But never lose any hope.
We all have a good potential to develop for a better future.
We just need to believe it.

Hope for better days,
Gil Weinstein. :)

If you read one of my posts you would have seen that each of the four "corners" of the Earth vote for a representitive, these FOUR people vote on what should happen. If there is a split vote then the entire world is alowed to vote making an odd number of votes to split the tie.

Another interresting idea I got from reading an Arthur C Clarke book was they randomly selected a person from the entire population, this person was the "leader".

We do not need a nuclear war, we need a revolution.

Originally posted by sjmarsha
If you read one of my posts you would have seen that each of the four "corners" of the Earth vote for a representitive, these FOUR people vote on what should happen. If there is a split vote then the entire world is alowed to vote making an odd number of votes to split the tie.


Yeah right. And I can just SEE how the Indonesian Rep (who would be voted in on sheer strength of numbers) would be SO sympathetic to Australians when taking issues up in the world government.

Imagine how the Americans amongst us would react if they found out their "Local Representative" was from Iran, and you'd see where I was coming from.

Originally posted by Gil_W

Squid Vicious (what does it mean? ;)), I'm afraid you right about it, that the world is still not ready for it. But never lose any hope.
We all have a good potential to develop for a better future.
We just need to believe it.

Hope for better days,
Gil Weinstein. :)

I do Gil.. I mean I really really try, but I broke my rose tinted glasses a few years back and I've seen nothing but humanity ever since. :p

Gil_W,

In addition, the new global govt. should be based on new values.
I think humans are ready for that, but first we need to explain to the totally blinded people why the current recipe is BAD.

Haha...
I've been trying to do this here for a loooooooooong time...
Believe me... it's NOT easy to wake people up and make them see that "our current recipe is BAD"...:bugeye: :eek: :(

Originally posted by Squid Vicious


Yeah right. And I can just SEE how the Indonesian Rep (who would be voted in on sheer strength of numbers) would be SO sympathetic to Australians when taking issues up in the world government.


Look the idea is not perfect.... You could get around that by having each 'country' only one vote each, the majority that that 'country' votes for would get one vote.

That would make it fairer....

Have no fear, Globalization is well on it's way to forming a new world order.

i read that there is a new world order already. A conspiracy theory that is the Bilderberg group? has anyone heard of it?

Yeh, i agree with what you say: Globalisation will form the new world order. The world run by corporate buisnesses instead of governments.