Please, anyone at all that can see this message, bring as many conservatives to sciforums as you can, I don't know if any of you have noticed but a huge majority of us are either liberal or moderate. We have only the left speaking here, and it might be nicer for a change if we had some witty, intelligent conservatives interested in witty, intelligent debate. If you know any, please invite them here. But if they happen to be trollish please don't bother... Out of curiosity, would there really be anything wrong with having conservatives here that debated rationally, as we do [presumably]? We haven't had a good share of them at all, as far as I know, but I'm interested in your opinions on the idea. So post here and tell me what you think, damnit.
Absolutely invite 'em in! You can squeeze a good idea out of 'em every now and again! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Peace.
Well get your conservative friends that are interested in war online, man. Surely you have to know some of them? I will try to refrain from calling you surely
I consider myself a moderate conservative. Not completely conservative, yet not quite moderate either. Unfortunately though, I'm one of the few on these boards. And like you said, Sciforums needs more real conservatives. Not the type that says, "let's destroy Iraq!! FOrward March!!". Those people (morons) are often mistaken as conservative, and give the rest of us a bad name. BTW, have no fear, Calgary is the heartland of Canada's conservatives. 99% of Canada's conservative movements originate right here - in Calgary. I shouldn't have any problem finding a few people who'd like to join and show you commies a thing or two Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! .
Most of us are young, that explains it. If you want I can gather some conservatives from the nearby nursing home, though I don't think they know how to double-click a mouse :bugeye: Or....just send a really angry, threatening letter to the Whitehouse and I bet a lot of conservatives will be visiting shortly after Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
gazzhoppa is right, most of us are young. Im very liberal, almost to the point of cussing in every post. But I only do that when it concerns things like racism or abortion, because using the word "fuck" is okay in my book. P.S. Pollux im all for having another side of the story told but I cant stand most conservatives because they are so shut off and narrow minded.
I know I know, but I'm kind of sick of everyone here just agreeing with each other. We need good conservatives. GoodER debaters.
Does conservativism even exist in America? Or is it a misnomer? I'd call G.W. Bush et al "neoliberals." Buchanan is sort of conservative, but he follows a very liberal religion. Are there any real conservatives? That American culture is overwhelmingly liberal is obvious. Maybe the partisan divide works against us ever finding a direction out of our current quagmire. "Maybe."
Again, I am still waiting for someone to give me the definition of conservative. Republicans are definitely not conservative. The democrates are not liberal by any means. At least not in my book. The state of Minnesota (where I live) has a very liberal voting record, but the culture is very conservative. Political parties use those words very loosely to divide up the voters.
Conservatives think things are good the way they are. They support the rich and think the poor should fend for themselves. Liberals think things can be better. They do not support the rich and help the poor. Buchanan is the closest thing to a nazi running for the presidency. Bush is a conservative, probably hardcore. No, prozak, our culture now is conservative, with the media encouraging us to support our conservative-dominated government and our conservative president. The masses are conservative. Joeman, I feel you are a conservative.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
You shirly can't be seriously. Why would republican party support campaign finance reform? welfare reform? social security reform? If things are as good as they are. Why would democrates strike down accounting reform to seperate auditing from accounting which directly led to Eron scandal? Why would I support the rich? They didn't give me any money. I always in this forum believe things can be better. My idea always beats whatever system is out there.
You shirly can't be seriously. Why would republican party support campaign finance reform? welfare reform? social security reform? If things are as good as they are. Why would democrates strike down accounting reform to seperate auditing from accounting which directly led to Eron scandal? Notice the word reform. What they mean is to scale it back, cut funding, put more money into rich peoples bank accounts....crap like that. Reform this, reform that....why dont we reform the Statue of Liberity into scrap metal, shes worth a ton of money!
Umm...yeah. I thought that the people who get elected in the US are in the middle. Just Republicans now are a little more old-fashioned...and through history Republicans want less government influence. Democrats, now, are a little more liberal than the Republicans. And through history Democrats want to introduce more government into the society (best example here would be what FDR did with all those government programs (social security, FDIC banking.....). We really do need more opposing view points on this forums...it's mainly just people arguing over trivialities and correcting each other. Yes, learning is not a bad thing but when having a discussion, it's always better to hear from both sides rather than speculate. Each generation gets more liberal because technology and information is the becoming the main industry in America, and both of those require people to embrace change. What we need here at SciForums are people that are more conservative than the majority already here...not die hard conservatives....but a little influence from all extremes would be nice
What measure conservative? It seems to me that Prozak might have a point about conservatives and liberals. While I won't hand it to him directly, I got a good chuckle when he wrote: Are there any real conservatives? Strangely, the liberals asked that about the Democratic party--Are there any real liberals left?--during Clinton's dalliance with moderation. The last ten years or so have seen a muddling of party divisions that is, I think, unprecedented. But this is where the difficulty comes in. I, like many, find people like Bush and Buchanan to be conservative. What, I wonder, establishes them as liberal? Take Bush, for instance: We need judges who understand that their authority is derived from God. Or, perhaps, that God is on our side in the war against terrorism. Or perhaps that children should be forced to acknowledge God in order to pledge allegiance to this country. Or perhaps threatening to intervene if the longshoremen strike--hey, George, it's a lockout ... aren't you going to do anything? (Really, if a strike is that bad, how is a management-sponsored lockout any better ... oh, that's right, it's management.) With oil in Texas and Mexico and California, why not open drilling in a wildlife refuge? It's not like there's any other oil in the US outside Alaska, right? Drug laws? People get twenty years for committing the same "youthful indiscretions" as Bush did. It is, in the abstract, fair to assert Bush to be a neoliberal. I mean, he is destroying the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to the US Constitution, at least. And Buchanan? If you ask him, he still wants to close the borders. If you ask him, a woman still does not have the right to govern her body in a doctor's office. If you ask him, free speech ends when it disagrees with him. I have to admit that I haven't heard much from him on the subject of labor unions, so there's an opening. But by what comparative value are people like Bush and Buchanan liberal? And, furthermore, what crushes me is that we do have a left wing publishing newspapers and organizing groups across the country, but people--both Democrats and Republicans--are generally too conservative to stomach such organizations as the Spartacist League or the World Socialist Web Site, or the International Socialist Organization, ad nauseam. What kind of conservatives and liberals are we really looking at, then? I just feel like Pat Robertson's next on the list; the 700 Club is probably a Communist organization .... At any rate, since it seems like we're implementing new delineation 'twixt liberal and conservative, it might be worth our while to discuss just what those boundaries are. thanx, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! (PS--I should advise Prozak, given an apparent history of not being clear, that while this post is not directly aimed at him, it is enough aimed toward him that he can include himself in the parties spoken to. Sorry, it's just that we went through this in another topic, so I thought I'd be clear.)
