ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistani officials questioned the man considered the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb Monday after news reports that the country may have been the source of nuclear technology and information for Iran and other countries.

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Recent news reports have said there is evidence that Iran purchased technology and information from inside Pakistan, and appeared to use it in its own nuclear program. Other nations may have received such information and technology as well, the news reports said.

Pakistani officials acknowledged the possibility that individual scientists may have been involved in transferring nuclear
technology and knowledge. But they said they do not know if that happened, and insist the government itself did not take part in any such exchange.

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"That is the past," he said Monday. "I'm not in a position to discuss those matters related to classified information and intelligence matters. ... (but) President (Pervez) Musharraf has assured us there are not any transfers of WMD-related technologies or know-how going on in the present time."

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/12/22/pakistan.nuclear/index.html

Is this a US ally or what? The Pakistani's have for a long time now have helped North Korea's nuclear program. But I never had seen help to Iran, Iran and NK are very close on their nuclear, and ballistic missile programs. Pakistan has offered NK a nice conduit for tech. Pakistan gave NK a crucial part for enrichment, and Pakistan is known to have a agreement with Saudi Arabia, possibly even giving Saudi Arabia "the bomb" during a crisis. Also let's not forget the possibility of Pakistan's secular government being toppled by a growing Islamic front, even the Taliban in the more tribal regions. I would put Pakistan along with North Korea, and Iran as nations most likely to use nuclear weapons, or lose control of them.

This article is part of the run-up to the US attack of Iran circa 2005. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are allies for now; the former bent over for the US and the latter bought its way out of 9/11. Iran is the next target. North Korea will be dealt with much later. Which countries are attacked have less to do with nukes than money. Iran could follow Saudi Arabia’s lead and take out multi-page ads and commercials in the major American media, but they’re not that smart.

It's a little revealing how Musharraf's nuclear-armed Islamic dictatorship doesn't faze most Americans who leaped on the keel-them-eye-rackies-before-they-git-us bandwagon. Meanwhile, the neocons are arming up (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0701/p01s04-woap.htm) in SK.

Under Clinton I would have laughed you know... how the times have changed.

It's a little revealing how Musharraf's nuclear-armed Islamic dictatorship doesn't faze most Americans who leaped on the keel-them-eye-rackies-before-they-git-us bandwagon.

Hype, sadly this is US policy. I know the US must know that Pakistan is a serious proliferation threat. Pakistan has been for a lack of a better term a "proliferation whore", Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Libya. With North Korea, and China giving almost everything Pakistan's nuclear heart desires. Pakistan is a significantly more dangerous threat to US interests in the long term then Iraq ever was. The collapse of Secularism in Pakistan is long overdue.

Meanwhile, the neocons are arming up in SK.

Same bluster, new weapons. NK has warned that if the US puts in these missiles:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/mgm-140a.jpg

Which in her long range version could attack most of NK, it would be kind of like a American equivalent to the North Korean Scud B missiles. North Korea has warned that if these systems are put on the peninsula...then tactical nuclear weapons are not out of the question. North Korea most likely has the nukes to do it as well.

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Hype, sadly this is US policy. I know the US must know that Pakistan is a serious proliferation threat. Pakistan has been for a lack of a better term a "proliferation whore", Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Libya. With North Korea, and China giving almost everything Pakistan's nuclear heart desires. Pakistan is a significantly more dangerous threat to US interests in the long term then Iraq ever was. The collapse of Secularism in Pakistan is long overdue.
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To my Misinformation SLUT aka Undecided,

Finay undecided has decided in believing a single most important article history has ever produced. Good for you. undecided in your prostituation of your misinformation you forgot that IRAN's nuclear plans are 16 years old and was built and designed by the help of Russian and Chinese experts. Still today Russians are builidng and helping Iran with their Nuclear plants and designs but undecided didn't give a fuck about that right? It is so funny to me that ONE HAND DRAWN DESIGN is the proof that Pakistan helped Iran, even thou in last 15 years, two countries weren't really friendly to each other, but that is not important or is it? One country should help their enemies to build Nukes, that is very realistic isn't it?

All the designs and missiles, Nuclear plants and everything else in Iran is of Russian or Chienese origins but yet again, *they* have found one Paper with hand drawn design which is not even in production or in working conditions and Blame it all on pakistan.......lol.

The bigest Proliferators of NUCLEAR technology are USA, GERMANY, FRANCE, China and Russia. All the Nuclear tech came to third world was from the above whores of Proliferation and still today they are the bigest Proliferators but undecided or mis-inofrmation slut missed this important piece of history.


Hail to Pakistan if they helped NK, but yet it needs to be proved. hah.

Please don't even fucking start with libyans, their Missile prgram was design by Indians and they don't have any Nukes. Paksitan doesn't produced the Bio or chem weapons and have signed the international agreement on it. So there is no way they helped Libyans with any of their chem and bios.


The whole Bullshit is a design to attack Iran and Isloate Pakistan. by the way Nukes are not something you can just get control over, there was nothing in world more unstable than the previous russia and when it collapsed thousands of nukes were in jeapordy but nothing happened becuase they are not like ping pong balls who can disapear or they can go to pocket to pocket. DO YOU have any Concept of a Nuclear weapon??? Very likely not.



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Were you there ??? Did you see all thtat?? did UN notified You? Did any other country in the world believe this BULLShit except morons of Washington Post and Times. I forgot their writers enjoy making stories in their offices. lol

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Why not! why the hell not? If Israel or GB is attacked by Nukes and lets suppose they didn't have nukes, I bet your pants that usa would attack the attackers with nukes. Why doesn't any one else have a right to protect their friends??? Pakistan should Protect SA in case of agression or nuclear attack and should have pact like Nato with them but not feasibale since it is a single country.


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Also let's not forget the possibility of Pakistan's secular government being toppled by a growing Islamic front, even the Taliban in the more tribal regions. I would put Pakistan along with North Korea, and Iran as nations most likely to use nuclear weapons, or lose control of them.
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lol and lets not forget that you are a mis-information slut and and paranoid little kid. Stay away from televsion and Washington post etc etc.


Lose control of nukes, is something very funny created by usa to scare the weak minded people or make paranoid people more paranoid, like ur self.

By the way where are they going to use the nukes?? they are not going to use it Against India since that is all political showdown and two countries are in better terms now then they were 10 years ago,whats next?? and please enough of this stupid bullshit of losing controls of nukes.
:rolleyes: :D

To my Misinformation SLUT aka Undecided,


Why all this emotion?

you forgot that IRAN's nuclear plans are 16 years old and was built and designed by the help of Russian and Chinese experts.

Actually Iran's nuclear ambitions started in the 1970's under the Shah. Who is the one here who is misrepresenting history? The beginings of Iran's nuclear programs starts with the W.Germans. Russia and China got in the 80's and 90's.

Still today Russians are builidng and helping Iran with their Nuclear plants and designs but undecided didn't give a fuck about that right?

I am fully aware of Bushrer and I am also aware that there is a agreement between Iran and Russia, that all excess Uranium is to be sent to Russia. Thus it presents little threat.

It is so funny to me that ONE HAND DRAWN DESIGN is the proof that Pakistan helped Iran, even thou in last 15 years, two countries weren't really friendly to each other, but that is not important or is it?

No it's not important your right. Just because two states don't pacticularily fancy each other, doesn't mean they can't work together.

One country should help their enemies to build Nukes, that is very realistic isn't it?


Hey, ask that Question to Pakistan not me, I didn't pick this story out of my arse you know.

All the designs and missiles, Nuclear plants and everything else in Iran is of Russian or Chienese origins but yet again, *they* have found one Paper with hand drawn design which is not even in production or in working conditions and Blame it all on pakistan.......lol.


Again the vast majority of Iran's missile programs, Shalab 3, Shalab 4, etc. are actually North Korean, No Dongs, and Taepo Dongs. The Chinese and Russians are giving Iran tech. to further improve basic North Korean designs.

Hail to Pakistan if they helped NK, but yet it needs to be proved. hah.


Pakistan has stated that the range and payload capacity of the missile will be upgraded. Pakistan claimed that the missile had "no relevance" to China's M-11 missile, and analysis suggests that it appears to be a derivative of the North Korean Nodong design. The December 2001 CIA report "Foreign Missile Developments and the Ballistic Missile Threat Through 2015" seemed to suggest that the Ghauri was based on No Dong MRBMs that Pakistan has acquired from North Korea.

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Pakistan's missile industry includes a large solid rocket motor production complex and a ballistic missile test facility. Chinese and more recently North Korea assistance has sustained these efforts. Pakistan's missile effort evidently consists of three components

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It is generally agreed that North Korea has attempted to acquire technology related to uranium enrichment from sources in several countries, including China, Russia and Pakistan.

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the late 1990s, Pakistan also acquired a small number of 1,500 km-range Nodong ballistic missiles from North Korea. The Pakistani version of the Nodong, known as the Ghauri, was flight-tested in April 1998 and April 1999.

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North Korea I: Pakistan Probably Gave Nuclear Aid Recently, Officials Say
The Bush administration has evidence that Pakistan aided North Korea’s suspected nuclear weapons program as recently as three months ago, the Washington Post reported today (see GSN, Oct. 21).

Publicly, the United States has said that while Pakistan aided North Korea’s nuclear weapons efforts in the past, it had cut off assistance after the Sept. 11 attacks. The White House believes, however, that Pakistan continued to exchange technical nuclear information, and possibly materials, in exchange for missile components until this summer, White House and congressional sources said.

White House officials refused to comment on the evidence.

“Let’s put it this way: There were still shenanigans going on three months ago,” a Bush administration official said.

Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf has provided assurances that he is ending all suspicious trade with North Korea, and U.S. officials believe he wants to stop the nuclear aid, according to the Post. The U.S. officials said they question, however, how much control Musharraf has over the Pakistani entities doing business with Pyongyang.

“In the end, we may find he is only partially truthful,” an official said.

Pakistan’s suspected involvement in North Korea’s nuclear weapons program could put the Bush administration, which considers Islamabad an ally, in a difficult position, the Post reported. Under U.S. law, if the president determines that a country has provided nuclear enrichment equipment, materials or technologies without international safeguards, the United States must impose sanctions, accordin to the Post. The United States imposed such sanctions on Pakistan in 1979, but U.S. President George W. Bush waived them last year after Pakistan agreed to aid the war on terrorism (see GSN, Oct. 30, 2001).

Instead of calling on Pakistan to provide full information on its transactions with North Korea, U.S. officials said they have noted the new evidence, according to the Post. They believe Pakistan understands that future violations will not be tolerated, the Post reported.

It will be difficult for the United States to understand the scope of North Korea’s suspected nuclear weapons program without knowing what kind of aid Pakistan might have provided, several experts said.

“We have asked North Korea to verifiably dismantle its nuclear enrichment program,” said Robert Einhorn, former U.S. assistant secretary of state for nonproliferation in the Clinton and Bush administrations. “How will we know if North Korea has done that unless we know precisely what Pakistan has transferred to North Korea?” he added (Glenn Kessler, Washington Post, Nov. 13).



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DO YOU have any Concept of a Nuclear weapon??? Very likely not.


Hmmm...Let’s see, the Pakistani government falls...there are about 80 nukes within Pakistani control. The new government gains control of them...sounds pretty obvious to me that they would present a serious nuclear threat. Do you deny that a Islamic government in Pakistan would present a threat?


Why doesn't any one else have a right to protect their friends??? Pakistan should Protect SA in case of agression or nuclear attack and should have pact like Nato with them but not feasibale since it is a single country.


Nor am I saying that they shouldn't...just saying that Pakistan instead of attacking for S.A would actually give her nuclear weapons, independent of Pakistani control. That is a totally different situation then from the US position. That is increasing tensions, if Pakistan would attack for S.A, there wouldn't be such a issue.

lol and lets not forget that you are a mis-information slut and and paranoid little kid. Stay away from televsion and Washington post etc etc.


Really your use of ad homs, are showing me that you lack a argument.

Lose control of nukes, is something very funny created by usa to scare the weak minded people or make paranoid people more paranoid, like ur self.


Blah...

By the way where are they going to use the nukes?? they are not going to use it Against India since that is all political showdown and two countries are in better terms now then they were 10 years ago,whats next??

They could use those nukes against India, against Iran, against (if Pakistan gets her Taepo Dongs) Israel, and Turkey. Prime targets for a fundamentalist government. Now Pakistan is relatively safe, but it's a eventuality that Pakistan becomes a Islamic state.

Let's face it, in this capitalistic world everybody sells weopons to everybody if the price is right....

Sometimes it comes back to bite you as the person you sold the gun to tries to rob you:p

But Pakistan is one hot potatoe because Al-Quaida has it's powerbase overthere: a broad people movement of fundamentalists, poisoned with hate by the everlasting clash with india

Now Mushareef doesn't like Al-quaida at all, but he can be called an oppertunistic ally at best...

I am sure Washington knows that, but what would be the alternative, I think they are glad that they have this ambiguous Mushareef overthere than Taliban pulling the strings...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Undecided
[b]To my Misinformation SLUT aka Undecided,

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Why not? :)


you forgot that IRAN's nuclear plans are 16 years old and was built and designed by the help of Russian and Chinese experts.

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Actually Iran's nuclear ambitions started in the 1970's under the Shah. Who is the one here who is misrepresenting history? The beginings of Iran's nuclear programs starts with the W.Germans. Russia and China got in the 80's and 90's.
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You could be right but the Allegations came around 16 years ago. Now you have admited yourself that it came from W.germans russia and and China, hopefuly it soothes down your paranoia a little bit, Pakistan stole the German designs and Iran was given by them, big difference.


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I am fully aware of Bushrer and I am also aware that there is a agreement between Iran and Russia, that all excess Uranium is to be sent to Russia. Thus it presents little threat.
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You think? wish full thinking?? huh? Shahab ,1,2,3 are also posed less threat?? correct? Yea rigth how often does Russia do what they have been told?? or how often does Iran did or do what they have been told??? lol

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No it's not important your right. Just because two states don't pacticularily fancy each other, doesn't mean they can't work together.
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How about we send James Bond to find the super secret hidden mega nuclear power plant?? lol. Maybe they want to destroy the world with HOT MAGMA? lol



Hey, ask that Question to Pakistan not me, I didn't pick this story out of my arse you know.

Exactly buddy, but you believe it like a word carved on a stone.


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Again the vast majority of Iran's missile programs, Shalab 3, Shalab 4, etc. are actually North Korean, No Dongs, and Taepo Dongs. The Chinese and Russians are giving Iran tech. to further improve basic North Korean designs.
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Their first missiles were russians, they might have took the design from NK but its Chienese and Russians who gave them everything from C801,802 to sub sonic cruise missiles from russia.



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Yup! cough it all up buddy. You got lot of congestion.:p

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Hmmm...Let’s see, the Pakistani government falls...there are about 80 nukes within Pakistani control. The new government gains control of them...sounds pretty obvious to me that they would present a serious nuclear threat. Do you deny that a Islamic government in Pakistan would present a threat?
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ya and they will take over the army of 600,000 people and the command and control system and start shooting missiles and start nuking the whole world and then you will WAKE UP! wet pants offcourse.

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-Nor am I saying that they shouldn't...just saying that Pakistan instead of attacking for S.A would actually give her nuclear weapons, independent of Pakistani control. That is a totally different situation then from the US position. That is increasing tensions, if Pakistan would attack for S.A, there wouldn't be such a issue.
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well it is only *your* theory, need i say more?


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Really your use of ad homs, are showing me that you lack a argument.
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awww, I am so hurt.:(



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Did I hear lack of arugment somewhere???

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They could use those nukes against India, against Iran, against (if Pakistan gets her Taepo Dongs) Israel, and Turkey. Prime targets for a fundamentalist government. Now Pakistan is relatively safe, but it's a eventuality that Pakistan becomes a Islamic state.
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Now that is hiliraous. ya prime targets are all islamic countries.... very logical. Only country I think could be possible target and only if they engage pakstian first would be Israel. Pakistan and india will never fight a Nuclear war, they both know that it will be devastating for them and they both play their politics according to it, so forget about india pakistan war scenarios. Only sound good for movies and pentagon war games. Only usa was and still is stupid enough to use nukes. They did it once and will do it again,just a matter of time. Just watch.

Also I am not excluding some sort of espinoage or some traitor from nuclear facilities acting on their own and did something like what happened in Los Almos Lab in USA. There are always some sort of proliferation going on in every country so don't get all paranoid about it kid.

Originally posted by Vortexx
Let's face it, in this capitalistic world everybody sells weopons to everybody if the price is right....

Sometimes it comes back to bite you as the person you sold the gun to tries to rob you:p

But Pakistan is one hot potatoe because Al-Quaida has it's powerbase overthere: a broad people movement of fundamentalists, poisoned with hate by the everlasting clash with india

Now Mushareef doesn't like Al-quaida at all, but he can be called an oppertunistic ally at best...

I am sure Washington knows that, but what would be the alternative, I think they are glad that they have this ambiguous Mushareef overthere than Taliban pulling the strings...


Votrexx I never aruge about pakistan being one hot potatoe. Taliban were never in power in pakistan and nor they had or ever will have any power over pakistani politics. No one is clashing with India either let me repeate it for you IT IS ALL POLITICS. Whatever hates is among indians and pakistanis they take it all out during cricket matches. No one is going to fight a war not anymore.

I think pakistan shouldn't be washington's ally in broad terms, only for war on terror, and that is it. Since usa is a BackStabber and will stab any country and will stab pakistan again.

FYI there are 10 million afghans in norhtern pakistan and all the fundmentalist news or protests comes from north, GO FIGURE.

It's beyond pathetic, frankly there is no term for it.

Now you have admited yourself that it came from W.germans russia and and China,

I always knew, you were the ignorant one here. Difference here, big one. Neither of those states have actually helped Iran's nuclear weapons programs. Surely not W.Germany, or Russia. Maybe....maybe China, but I have yet to see proof.

Yea rigth how often does Russia do what they have been told??

START I, II, ABM, and why would Russia want a nuclear armed Iran, who could launch attacks against Russia? Logic...

or how often does Iran did or do what they have been told??? lol


Why are you laughing? The Iranian have gone to Vienna to open up all her facilities for snap inspections.

How about we send James Bond to find the super secret hidden mega nuclear power plant?? lol. Maybe they want to destroy the world with HOT MAGMA? lol


I would simply refer you to the co-operation btwn Israel and Iran in the 80's, the USSR and the USA alliance in WWII.

Exactly buddy, but you believe it like a word carved on a stone.

Why wouldn't I believe it? When it is ample evidence of Pakistan's proliferation?

Their first missiles were russians, they might have took the design from NK but its Chienese and Russians who gave them everything from C801,802 to sub sonic cruise missiles from russia.


The US gave Iran tones of missiles as well, point? The C series missiles are not cruise missiles in the conventional sense, they are anti-shipping missiles. What sub sonic cruise missiles from Russia may I ask, what is the launch platform, what is the purpose? The missiles we are talking about here are IRBM's like the Shahab 3, and 4. Those are North Korean designs.

Yup! cough it all up buddy. You got lot of congestion.

So I assume that you agree with the assertions made? Thank you.

ya and they will take over the army of 600,000 people and the command and control system and start shooting missiles and start nuking the whole world and then you will WAKE UP! wet pants offcourse.


Ehm... calm down here Papa Don... of course they won't go off crazy all of a sudden on these states. But their political ideology allows them too use these nukes more freely and more liberally then they would be used now. Also they would have a interest in seeing those nukes in the hands of other Islamists. It's only logical to deduce as such.

well it is only *your* theory, need i say more?


Well not really:

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20031021-112804-8451r.htm

Did I hear lack of arugment somewhere???


Looked in the mirror did we?

Now that is hiliraous. ya prime targets are all islamic countries.... very logical.

Very logical indeed, when those "Islamic" countries are seen to be nothing more then puppies of the US. They aren't Islamic they are secular and go against the objective of Islamic fundies in Pakistan and throughout the region. Turkey and Israel are prime targets. With Shi'a Iran coming in a close second.

Pakistan and india will never fight a Nuclear war, they both know that it will be devastating for them and they both play their politics according to it, so forget about india pakistan war scenarios.

You know this how? India has not renounced her first use policy...nuclear war is very possible if not even probable in the sub-continent.

"Pakistan (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8249970%255E1702,00.html) said today that rogue nuclear scientists driven by "personal ambition and greed" may have spread sensitive technology to Iran - its most explicit acknowledgment after months of denials."

How will the Busheviks reconcile this with their brave new vision? Well, of course they won't have to with US media and public happy in a dream world.

Remember, folks, because the Busheviks are gonna like this tactic of Busharraf's and adopt it: Anything that goes wrong with sensitive things like the WMD can be written off by "responsible" governments as the work of "irresponsible individuals".

Originally posted by hypewaders
"Pakistan (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8249970%255E1702,00.html) said today that rogue nuclear scientists driven by "personal ambition and greed" may have spread sensitive technology to Iran - its most explicit acknowledgment after months of denials."

How will the Busheviks reconcile this with their brave new vision? Well, of course they won't have to with US media and public happy in a dream world.

Remember, folks, because the Busheviks are gonna like this tactic of Busharraf's and adopt it: Anything that goes wrong with sensitive things like the WMD can be written off by "responsible" governments as the work of "irresponsible individuals".


Nothing is proven yet. Just wait and see. Hyper, I smell rats all over bhindies. :D

If you're really worried about WMD, look to the countries with the greatest number: the USA and Russia.

Personally, I'm more worried about control of the Russian nukes than I am about Iran's potential to develop WMD, for example.

Originally posted by James R
If you're really worried about WMD, look to the countries with the greatest number: the USA and Russia.

Personally, I'm more worried about control of the Russian nukes than I am about Iran's potential to develop WMD, for example.

Thank you for making a sense and reasonable point. I hope these paranoid people use more then one brain cell and think logics not fantaisies.

I am also worried about Russian nukes, what scares me even more is Kazakhstan's Biological complexes, they have the plauge in viles that are placed in peach cans, in a frige that is locked by some cheap ass lock! But one must be concerned about the nuclear row btwn the US and North Korea.

Seems the muslimparty has forced musharraf to resign from being commander of the army and just be president of the country.

Ha! if Musharraf forces seperation of state and church upon us , we force seperation of army and state upon him they must have thought.....

I guess it won't be long before we have a real civil war in Pakistan , like in Algeria) ????

The Chechnyans might try to steal such biological complexes from kazakhstan and spread it in moscow

Originally posted by Vortexx
Seems the muslimparty has forced musharraf to resign from being commander of the army and just be president of the country.

Ha! if Musharraf forces seperation of state and church upon us , we force seperation of army and state upon him they must have thought.....

I guess it won't be long before we have a real civil war in Pakistan , like in Algeria) ????


wishful thinking again. Pakistan's history is full with situations like that and will continue. There won't be any civil war but Martial law and it will take care of everything like it did in past. Just watch. It happened in past when Zia got killed by CIA and KGB and it might happen again. NO CIVIL WAR, just watch.

Originally posted by skywalker
Nothing is proven yet. Just wait and see. Hyper, I smell rats all over bhindies. :D
heheheh.. so the bhindies paid 'irresponsible individuals' (pak) to help Iran..? stop smelling 'bhindies' and instead learn to smell your fundies.:D

It happened in past when Zia got killed by CIA and KGB and it might happen again. NO CIVIL WAR, just watch.
CIA and KGB.? forgot to include your favourite 'bhindies'..? and ofcourse there won't be any CIVIL WAR but total control of Pak (and nukes) by fundies. May Allah save Mush and Pak.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by everneo
heheheh.. so the bhindies paid 'irresponsible individuals' (pak) to help Iran..? stop smelling 'bhindies' and instead learn to smell your fundies.:D



You missed the whole thread and read bhindies only. I don't blame you, you read what makes best sense to you. By the way it wasn't that bhindies paid some one etc etc but It was in a broader context.

CIA and KGB.? forgot to include your favourite 'bhindies'..? and ofcourse there won't be any CIVIL WAR but total control of Pak (and nukes) by fundies. May Allah save Mush and Pak.

no bhindies weren't part of that, bhindies raw is too weak to penetrate like that. Nukes are not your chachis haaandi, lol, so forget it. It is a wet dream. We are not going any where lets wait and see. Thanks for the prayers.

Originally posted by skywalker
You missed the whole thread and read bhindies only. I don't blame you, you read what makes best sense to you. By the way it wasn't that bhindies paid some one etc etc but It was in a broader context.
Because your irrelevant remarks stands out oddly in this thread hence my suggestion.

no bhindies weren't part of that, bhindies raw is too weak to penetrate like that.
then tell how CIA & KGB involved in that. you seem to randomly associate and dissociate foriegn intelligence agencies when it suits you.

Nukes are not your chachis haaandi, lol, so forget it. It is a wet dream.
wow, english please. let everyone know of your drooling, chacha. ah.. lol.

Nukes became barter items for cheap oil and missiles. Credit goes to you nuke vendies. Fundies will find more dangerous use for them, by proxy / threat, if Mush falls.

Originally posted by everneo
Because your irrelevant remarks stands out oddly in this thread hence my suggestion.


then tell how CIA & KGB involved in that. you seem to randomly associate and dissociate foriegn intelligence agencies when it suits you.


wow, english please. let everyone know of your drooling, chacha. ah.. lol.

Nukes became barter items for cheap oil and missiles. Credit goes to you nuke vendies. Fundies will find more dangerous use for them, by proxy / threat, if Mush falls.


Mr. Bal Tahkray, calm down your pakistan fobia...... we will let you live for now. Bhindian paranoia again.........oh gosh here comes the ISI. haha....

For the referenes about foreign inteligience you can start from a Book called *The Great Game* i don't remember the author but you can search. Then read the Bio Graphy of zia, available through Amazon.com. You have to search. Then come backand whine.


so whats next everno? fundies will sell the nukes to arabs and guess who would they nuke first???? your country's new best bed buddy. haha yup you got it right..................now relax and enjoy the daroo. Go easy on these wet dreams. :D

This article is part of the run-up to the US attack of Iran circa 2005. (Zanket)It occurs to me, as I read through the news of the second attempt on Musharraf's life in two weeks, to wonder what the odds are that the United States will have some vital military operation afoot in Pakistan by the end of 2004 in order to secure the nuclear stockpiles. In other words, anybody have any ideas what happens if someone actually gets Musharraf?

Originally posted by skywalker
Mr. Bal Tahkray, calm down your pakistan fobia...... we will let you live for now. Bhindian paranoia again.........oh gosh here comes the ISI. haha....
hahaha.. i laugh for different reason.

For the referenes about foreign inteligience you can start from a Book called *The Great Game* i don't remember the author but you can search. Then read the Bio Graphy of zia, available through Amazon.com. You have to search. Then come backand whine.
No time to read any more nonsense. you cannot clearly substantiate your claim that rivals CIA & KGB got together to kill Zia. redirecting to some hay to search needle won't help.

so whats next everno? fundies will sell the nukes to arabs and guess who would they nuke first???? your country's new best bed buddy. haha yup you got it right..................now relax and enjoy the daroo. Go easy on these wet dreams. :D
What are you talking about, sleepwalker.?! see you after you take some sleep. :D

we now interrupt our current programming for this paki joke...

Musharraf was driving round Islamabad came across long queues of Pakistanis outside several embassies wanting visas and entry permits to go abroad. He got out of his car and joined a line to find out why so many people wanted to leave the country. No sooner did people see their President with them they left the queue to return to their homes. Musharraf asked them why they were doing so. They replied: "If you are leaving Pakistan there is no need for us to go."

[QUOTE]Originally posted by spookz
we now interrupt our current programming for this paki joke...

ha ha...........there goes anti Pakistan Vomiting by hindu fundies....go on please don't stop now.

:D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by everneo
hahaha.. i laugh for different reason.

I am sure you do.


No time to read any more nonsense. you cannot clearly substantiate your claim that rivals CIA & KGB got together to kill Zia. redirecting to some hay to search needle won't help.

awww.... you want me to search every thing for you?? man please do some homework and stop vomiting your venom. I am glad that all indians are not hate mongers like you and buddies.:)


What are you talking about, sleepwalker.?! see you after you take some sleep. :D

please do, in the mean time spooky boy is vomiting for you. :D

Originally posted by skywalker
awww.... you want me to search every thing for you?? man please do some homework and stop vomiting your venom.
Before posting any fancy claims be ready with specific references and back up. Secondly it is a bad practice to ask someone to go search for answers which you are supposed to give and in all likelyhood non-existing outside your mind.

Finally, the act of 'vomitting venom' is not that bad and saves lives before absorption. if you force someone to eat venom then they necessarily should vomit it. :p

btw, where exactly do you find this 'vomit' in our posts.? did you mistake your posts for our posts.?!! it seems you ignored my suggestion to take a sound sleep. :D

I am glad that all indians are not hate mongers like you and buddies.:)
thanks anyway.

Sorry for coming in late but James hit the nail on the head.
I've read from several sources that certain government officials of the former USSR admitted that the republic had developed a suitcase sized nuclear weapon and they USED to have a stockpile of them numbering in the tens if not hundreds. I remember seeing footage of a nuclear research facility with the rear gate rusting, overgrown and hanging of its hinges. I think it was an SBS (Aust) documentary.
The problem is, during the collapse of the USSR many of them went missing and they admitted that they could no longer account for all of them. I dont want to speculate as to where they went as I have NFI.

Neither do they.

In the years leading up to 9/11 approx 5% of shipping containers entering the USA were randomly inspected. The rest went through unchecked.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29109

http://www.bellona.no/en/international/russia/nuke-weapons/nonproliferation/8830.html

Sleep tight kids...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by everneo
Before posting any fancy claims be ready with specific references and back up. Secondly it is a bad practice to ask someone to go search for answers which you are supposed to give and in all likelyhood non-existing outside your mind.


Not every thing on mahtmas green earth is available on line. There are hard copies, I gave you the name of those books now its not my prob to read it to you or send you copies of them. It is not a bad practice at all, it will help you get some excerise. ;)



Finally, the act of 'vomitting venom' is not that bad and saves lives before absorption. if you force someone to eat venom then they necessarily should vomit it. :p



btw, where exactly do you find this 'vomit' in our posts.? did you mistake your posts for our posts.?!! it seems you ignored my suggestion to take a sound sleep. :D

Ahh finally you are admiting things, it is a good start. Looks like it is you my little fella who waste no time in bad mouthing pakistan or anything related to pakistan is it some sort of pact you all VJP supporter made to ur self? or it is just what they taught you in RSS meetings? and Hindus fundie councels?


thanks anyway.

you are welcome anytime.

[i]No time to read any more nonsense. you cannot clearly substantiate your claim that rivals CIA & KGB got together to kill Zia. redirecting to some hay to search needle won't help.

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For starters it was because of Zia's PanIslamice dream and the ground work he was working on. From Pakistan to Central Asia and Pan Islamic rule with nuclear umbrealla for all of them. It was and still is reason enough to kill any Muslim countr's leader. I leave the rest for your imagination.

All of you darn peeps look a like to me. damit i cant even tell who is who.hahah:D :D

Originally posted by skywalker
Not every thing on mahtmas green earth is available on line. There are hard copies, I gave you the name of those books now its not my prob to read it to you or send you copies of them. It is not a bad practice at all, it will help you get some excerise. ;)
the books 'the great game' whose author you could not remember and biography of zia.? you want me read the whole book to find out what you say was not correct.?!! without reading that anyone can tell CIA does not require KGB's alliance to kill zia if it wanted to do that.

Ahh finally you are admiting things, it is a good start. Looks like it is you my little fella who waste no time in bad mouthing pakistan or anything related to pakistan is it some sort of pact you all VJP supporter made to ur self? or it is just what they taught you in RSS meetings? and Hindus fundie councels?
Anyone who tells truth about pakistan is a hindu fundie.?... then the whole world is now having only hindu fundies and christian jewish fundies.. keep your head buried in the sand forever.