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(Q)
12-14-02, 04:34 PM
1) Easy is hard and hard is easy.

2) Easy is equal to hard.

Prove the paradox duo true anyway you can. :D

metal722
12-14-02, 06:23 PM
what??? :confused:

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-14-02, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by (Q)
1) Easy is hard and hard is easy.

2) Easy is equal to hard.

Prove the paradox duo true any way you can. :D This reminds me of Macbeth:

"Fair is foul, and foul is fair
Hover through the fog and filthy air"
(Act 1, Sc 1)

I think I've got something on this:
We see this paradox as easy to explain, but in actuality it is very very hard. (Q) however, finds this easy when we find it hard (explaining the latter part of #1).

Easy = hard...does #2 mean anyone can understand it? Or that, things which are easy are quite hard to some people, while something that is easy to those same people is tough on others?

Is it all a matter of perception?

-Blue :m:

Halo
12-15-02, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by %BlueSoulRobot%
This reminds me of Macbeth:

"Fair is foul, and foul is fair
Hover through the fog and filthy air"
(Act 1, Sc 1)

I think I've got something on this:
We see this paradox as easy to explain, but in actuality it is very very hard. (Q) however, finds this easy when we find it hard (explaining the latter part of #1).

Easy = hard...does #2 mean anyone can understand it? Or that, things which are easy are quite hard to some people, while something that is easy to those same people is tough on others?

Is it all a matter of perception?

-Blue :m:

By george I think she's got it!

Neville
12-15-02, 12:36 PM
Well can someone elaborate please?

Tyler
12-15-02, 12:45 PM
Bluesoul, I take it you're in the midst of studying Macbeth in school.

For starters, there's no need (actually, it's wrong) to put the second part of the witch's first speech ("Hover...."). They, and other characters, restate the "fair is foul and foul is fair" bit a few times - it is the important part. And on top of that, I don't think this quite relates to Q's problem, however I may be wrong. The witches are stating a reversal of moral order and moral right. This line in Macbeth is used to accomadate many things, though.

pumpkinsaren'torange
12-15-02, 02:25 PM
well, at LEAST macbeth was better than hamlet. *coughnotsayingmuchcough*

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-16-02, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by Tyler
Bluesoul, I take it you're in the midst of studying Macbeth in school.

For starters, there's no need (actually, it's wrong) to put the second part of the witch's first speech ("Hover...."). They, and other characters, restate the "fair is foul and foul is fair" bit a few times - it is the important part. And on top of that, I don't think this quite relates to Q's problem, however I may be wrong. The witches are stating a reversal of moral order and moral right. This line in Macbeth is used to accomadate many things, though. Meh...I never knew we weren't supposed to quote the second part. My teacher's a few sandwiches short of a picnic. :rolleyes:

I beg to differ: I thought it was very pertinent. In comparing two different things (easy:hard, fair:foul), I thought quoting Macbeth might help us clear things up by providing another example. However, (Q) hasn't said anything yet...so I guess it's still all in speculation.

EvilPoet
12-16-02, 09:12 PM
:) I'll give it a try ...

Easy is hard and hard is easy.

Easy money can be hard to come by.
Hard-earned money can be easy to
lose.

Easy is equal to hard.

Easy is equal to hard because both
represent money.

On Radioactive Waves
12-17-02, 06:37 AM
1. easy falls under catagory hard, and vica versa.

2. exactly what is implied by #1

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-17-02, 03:30 PM
Oh! I know how "Hover through fog and filthy air" can be related to "Fair is foul and foul is fair".

Fog = grey.
Hover = neither on the ground nor floating away.

Therefore it is in the middle. There is no right or wrong, no black and white way of explaining it. By being both foul and fair at the same time, you are neither foul nor fair, but something of the two. They're interchangeable? As with hard and easy? Maybe.

Where's (Q) with the solution? I would like to hear the correct answer...

Fukushi
12-17-02, 03:57 PM
the following sentence is true,
the previous sentence is false.

:bugeye:

(Q)
12-17-02, 04:12 PM
Where's (Q) with the solution?

I'm here - still waiting for someone to come up with a solution.

*hint*

"Synthesis"

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-17-02, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by (Q)
Where's (Q) with the solution?

I'm here - still waiting for someone to come up with a solution.

*hint*

"Synthesis" :bugeye:

One thing: is this a chemistry question, or a philosophical question?

Halo
12-17-02, 05:12 PM
It's all relative. Easy is hard, just not as hard and hard is easy, but not so easy.

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-17-02, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Halo
It's all relative. Easy is hard, just not as hard and hard is easy, but not so easy. :eek: Excuse me for a minute.

5.

4.

3.

2.

1...

!!!BOOM!!! *brains splatter against the wall* :eek:

I'm even more confused than before :confused: :D

Halo
12-17-02, 05:44 PM
*picks %BlueSoulRobot%'s brains off the wall*

Hehe you silly.

My mind is not yet apt to think Hegelianly. How do you combine thesis and antithesis to prove that Easy = Hard? Me confused.

Will continue to ponder until brain splatters on the wall.

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-17-02, 06:23 PM
*runs for cover* :D

Perhaps (Q)'s talking about synthesis reaction? I've been learning about it in Chem...maybe he means that a chemical reaction is easy to perform, yet very difficult to reverse? But..that makes no sense when it comes to the second sentence.

(Psss...Q, you can tell us if we're warm or cold. ;) )

1119
12-17-02, 06:44 PM
How do you combine thesis and antithesis to prove that Easy = Hard? [/B]

Halo, maybe you're on the right track - thesis and anti-thesis. Q did hint at synthesis. I'm thinking something along that line too.

1119
12-22-02, 02:25 AM
Q,

I think it's been long enough. How about your solution? Please....?

Fukushi
12-22-02, 04:19 AM
...Q?...


Hello,...*walks trough empty thread*

Merlijn
12-22-02, 05:20 AM
I can only make sense of this if one writes it like:

1a. Easy => Hard
1b. Hard => Easy

(1a AND 1b) => either (Hard = 0 AND Easy = 0) eXclusiveOR (Hard=1 AND Easy=1).

In both cases:
2. Hard = Easy.

Fukushi
12-22-02, 09:16 AM
It's easy to get an 'hard on'
but it's hard to get easy again.

*follows some bloodvessel*:rolleyes: :p

1119
12-22-02, 05:57 PM
Q,

Just posting to keep this thread afloat. Can't keep it up for long though.

How about that solution? Pretty please....?

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-25-02, 02:55 PM
*is four seconds away from rioting for a solution* :D

Microzoft
12-25-02, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by (Q)
1) Easy is hard and hard is easy.

2) Easy is equal to hard.

Prove the paradox duo true anyway you can. :D If easy is Hard and Hard is easy, than Easy is Easy and Hard is hard.
Now, this is hardly easy to explain but it can easily become hard to describe.
Because we know that easy is always easy when is not hard,….. you are hardly following me, are you?

(Q)
12-25-02, 04:26 PM
:D

Can no one produce a very simply solution ?

(oops - gave it away)

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-25-02, 04:42 PM
Hey, simple is easy. I'm simple-minded.

I mean..very very complex.

Ok, easy has 4 letters.

Hard has 4 letters.

4=4.

The end.

:rolleyes: :D

1119
12-25-02, 06:46 PM
What the hey, Blue-Soul! I think you've got it!

Fukushi
12-25-02, 11:36 PM
That,....really cracked my mind!:confused: :bugeye: errrrrr
good work blauweseelerobotin!

Q? is she correct? are we finally released from this mind bogling riddle? or is there more of the tension and adventure to behold?!!?:p

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-27-02, 01:39 PM
I do hope this is the end of this paradox duo. However ... it doesn't seem very "paradoxical" if all we are expected to achieve is the ability to count to four...:bugeye: *shrugs* :m:

_blu%

1119
12-27-02, 07:18 PM
Q? is she correct?

BlueSoul, you're a "she"?

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-27-02, 07:52 PM
Yeah, I think so. :eek:

:D

1119
12-27-02, 08:26 PM
Sorry, BlueSoul. Just thought the "robot" part sounded masculine.

Ah...nevermind me.

Fukushi
12-27-02, 08:36 PM
so you never heard of the story about the man and his robot-female?:p

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-27-02, 08:49 PM
Yeah, people have thought I was male, based on my screenname ... But I'm ok with it, no need for apologies 1119 :)

%BlueSoulRobot%
12-31-02, 05:11 PM
<nothing>

rnixon0
12-31-02, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by (Q)
1) Easy is hard and hard is easy.

2) Easy is equal to hard.

Prove the paradox duo true anyway you can. :D

i beleive this paradox can be solved simply by reassigning mathematic symbols and variables in the place of the words "easy", "is", and "hard". for this case lets substitute "y" for "easy", "=" for "is",and "x" for "hard". now simply rewrite the problem.

y=x and x=y, therefore easy and hard are equal.
haha, i sounded like my fucking calculus teacher.......:eek:

ProCop
01-02-03, 12:23 PM
easy=0

%BlueSoulRobot%
01-02-03, 12:35 PM
"Easy" is a collection of meaningless letters. "Hard" is also a collection of meaningless letters. One collection cannot surpass another in worth. Therefore they are of equal worthless value?

Q's clues: (heh, sounds like the show Blue's Clues) :D
"Can no one produce a very simply solution ?

(oops - gave it away)"
--- --- --- --- ---
"*hint*

"Synthesis" "
--- --- --- --- ---

Hmm... "Easy is hard" = "Hard is easy". Each side balances because it has the same words? like 7+3=3+7, only in a different order?

Easy is hard because hard is possible? They are both possible in that they both have the same qualities?

:confused:

bluegoblin
01-02-03, 12:40 PM
<Font color="red">EDIT (Porfiry): Spam removed</FONT>

%BlueSoulRobot%
01-02-03, 01:18 PM
Hey BlueGoblin, Welcome to SciForums! :) (Now we have 2 blue robots and one blue goblin...I think I saw a brown robot somewhere.)

Doing a little site promotion, eh? ;) It looks surprisingly like SciForums...and Lewis Templeman, the admin, is using Asguard's avatar, with Merlijn's signature...what the heck?? :bugeye:

btw, I can't find the thread you are talking about which contains the answer to this paradox duo.

(Q)
01-02-03, 01:57 PM
bluegoblin

I tried to register at your site several times. All I received were errors.

What's the problem ?

chroot
01-02-03, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by bluegoblin
<Font color="red">EDIT (Porfiry): Spam removed</FONT>[/B]
You're pathetic. You're trying to start another bulletin board, exactly identical to sciforums, but with ugly colors? In your identically-described Free Thoughts forum, you started the same threads that did well here, such as 3 Word Story and Funny pictures?

God, this is pathetic. Don't you have any original ideas?

- Warren

%BlueSoulRobot%
01-28-03, 03:09 PM
Nearly forgot about this thread! No answers in sight yet...

Qiothus II
01-28-03, 06:38 PM
By definition:Synthesis
3. (Logic) The combination of separate elements of thought
into a whole, as of simple into complex conceptions,
species into genera, individual propositions into systems;
-- the opposite of {analysis}.

Analysis and synthesis, though commonly treated as
two different methods, are, if properly understood,
only the two necessary parts of the same method.
Each is the relative and correlative of the other.
--Sir W.
Basically, easy and hard are the like analysis and synthesis; one breaks down into the simplest form (easy), while the other builds into the more complex (hard). Thus, hard reduces to easy, while easy expands into hard.

Example:

2/2=1 multiply 2/2 by itself: 2/2 and you get 4/4
4/4=1

Another example using Chemistry:

x g of Solution=y g of compound
= meaning "contains"

%BlueSoulRobot%
01-28-03, 10:54 PM
That's a pretty sound, logical, sane explanation. :) What say you to this, (Q)?

IXL777
01-29-03, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by (Q)
1) Easy is hard and hard is easy.

2) Easy is equal to hard.

Prove the paradox duo true anyway you can. :D

You could be hard -hearted but still easy going..
Dominic:cool:

Qiothus II
01-29-03, 05:19 PM
Is (Q) still in existance?

wet1
01-29-03, 05:21 PM
Oh yes, he last posted on 01-26-03.

pumpkinsaren'torange
01-29-03, 06:05 PM
*cries*

Qiothus II
02-02-03, 04:09 PM
Hey (Q) *knock knock*

Fukushi
02-03-03, 12:37 PM
Who's there?

Qiothus II
02-03-03, 09:31 PM
So what

Fukushi
02-04-03, 06:45 AM
What so? I don't know? Do you?;)