A Continuation

A few comments on the "Look!" thread before I begin. During the past week I didn't have the time to visit Sciforums since I was dedicating my efforts to my studies. Upon revisiting the "Look!" thread, I find that it degenerated into a no-holds-barred debate against the "the fountainhed". While "the fountainhed's" initial posts showed some composure, he eventually regressed to the language and tactics of those he was debating. In retrospect, it wasn't hard to see why the thread was closed.

However, I have created this thread as an extension of the previous "Look!" thread with one caveat; in the interest of keeping this thread open, I ask those who I believe are capable of change to make a few revisions to their current methodologies. In particular, I wish to address spookz and the fountainhed. Not too long ago, both of you used to post well though out, logical arguments, and I ask that you return to such practices, and not be drawn into the gutter by the detritus that lies within.

Finally, I realize that this post is a bit lengthy with all of the quoting, however, I am only "double quoting" so the relevant material is contained in this thread.

On that note, I continue the debate, and hope that the aforementioned posters will curb their tongues, but not their wit.

The main reason I "left" was simply because I kept illustrating the fallacies your argument, and you kept trivializing them. Frankly, there was a glaring hole in your logic from the beginning, simply being that you have absolutely no idea what happens after a person dies, and any assertions to the contrary are pure conjecture on your part, however, I didn't bring up that point since I thought that you could see the error of your ways without the debate turning into one of agnosticism versus atheism. However, it seems that is the direction the debate tended towards regardless of my attempts.

Also, please note where I made a fallacy of presumption, or as you state, a "Petitio Principii".

So why did you even state that I engaged in such behavior in the first place?

Yes, I do remember. I made no assertions otherwise, and I even clearly stated my motivation for initially posting in that thread. Are you trying to raise some point with this statement?

Must I repeat myself ad infintium? I have repeatedly stated that any claim that I make can be subjected to verification, if one simply poses specific questions directed towards myself. To the best of my knowledge, I have not made any fraudulent claims, and I would appreciate it if you would list my statements which you believe to be misrepresentations of my knowledge/ability. Without your supposed evidence, your characterization of myself as a "charlatan" is baseless.

Again, then why did you assert the contrary when you stated the following: "Lip service.

I 'met' you in one thread, thought I'd finished you and went elsewhere only to only find your ugly head in the same one addressing me as if we're some kind of old friends, and then here you bring me up for nostalgia. Hmmm........."

You seem to be conceding points rather quickly and quietly when evidence is produced that is in opposition to your ideas.

Parlor games? If you characterize my logical arguments as parlor games, then on that scale, what do your posts rate? Elementary insults at best, I assume?

The simple truth of the matter is that you are trying to avert the "eyes of the forum" from the fact that the two times you have debated with me, you have lost, plain and simple. I assume you wish for me to go away so you can debate other forum members who are quick to anger. Subsequently, you and your comrades tear apart their posts once their thought processes have been degraded by emotion.

Frankly, I find it odd that if I don't respond to a thread, you are quick to bring that example to the forefront of others' attention, but when I respond, you simply wish to consider the debate "settled", and move on.

gendanken, I find it interesting that you appear to take orders from Xev. Do you actually respect her opinion? Do you obey her out of fear? Or did your actions simply happen to coincide with her statement?

Now, onto my comments on other posts from the "Look!" thread.

I'm glad it hasn't given you a superiority complex. (For the humorless, that was a use of sarcasm.)

I hope that you are studying something else in addition to Latin, for there are few things that are more useless to study than a dead language that only imparts the ability of "impressing" others with obscure terms, while drawing attention away from the meagerness of your arguments. Apparently, you do little other than debate semantics, since it is one of the few tools in your arsenal. However, it may be one of the meager fruits that your study of Latin yields, so I presume you consider it to be a great asset.

Now, I am no student of Latin, nor do I aspire to be. However, roughly translated, your above statement reads:

My words you may doubt and you may beat, but yet to the noble men they are taken and are trusted. Confused, you sit useless and low, and give birth to madness. Remain in solitude until death without the comfort of human feeling! You, of whom mind is forgotten and is closed by passion, you will show yourself to be blind of such things.

A uselessly long statement without substance. Essentially, you hide your poor insults in the guise of a foreign language in an attempt to make your statement gain importance. However, we live in an age of information, thus translators for even the most archaic of languages can be found with little effort. Thus, you can no longer hide your poor arguments and insults under the veil of Latin. You will actually have to construct proper arguments to support your ideas, rather than relying on parlor tricks.

 

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Dapthar, save your breath....

I have discovered gendy and xev's true vocation in life

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QI on the BBC last night it was revealed that Henry VIII had a Stool Groom. This was a very highly regarded position in the King's Court because of the quality time you got to spend with the King. Unfortunately the job entailed wiping The Royal Arse

http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/29131

Groom of Henry VIII's Royal stool:
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/AnthonyDenny(Sir).htm

From this day henceforth, those wretched jezebels gendanken and xev shall be known as:



gendanken : Groom of the spookster's stool


xev: Groom of wraith's stool

...hurry up wench, I just had an extra spicy vindaloo, and it's gone straight through me like a hot knife through butter.....in fact jezebel.....I might just make you use your tongue.........

 

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let dapthar run with this

*points noted and appreciated

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Daphy:

Vulgar comment that does not bear repeating read as follows:
No, you cunty curmudgeon, you don't.

You've bold/italized it all on your own, fellow.
Gendanken said that death was the know all end all.
Daphy then comes along wagging his finger to project the human ailement on a glass window altogether just to 'prove' there was some kind of fallacy in thinking that death was an absolute.

Its really simple, strawboy. Got worries? Mamma drama? Bills? Taxes? VD? Its all over when you're over.

Read up on this will you? Tetrapylotomy- the art of splitting a hair four ways. That's what you do. What's ugly is that you do it not to show that you're right, but that another is wrong. Spiteful labor is always charming.

According to you, we'd have the plague of the repo man and the IRS still plaguing one in the ~afterlife~.............Fucking interesting.

"As if we were some kind of old friends". Like we're some kind of old friends....

"as" and "if" is the stuff of allegory, symbolism, analogy. "Like" is the stuff of similie.

Surely you don't think I'd really think we're some kind of 'old friends', do you? the Fountainhed is supposed to be the swallow-without-tasting gimp around here. No need for a coup.

Negetive. Finish where you left off.

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28758&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

Its waiting like a bitch in heat.

Charlatan is not only a trinket word used to describe greasy gypsies selling cough tonic and gadgets that don't work. Its also used for cantankerous bores that sound like dusty philosophers. Its also used in describing those that go around believing they are some kind of still waters that run deep when its more like a boiling cesspool of hydrochloric acid when they're no longer comfortable.
Tiassa is another one. We call him Tessie.

Let it go Daphy. You want to continue fighting war machines, do so on a campus.

Wraith:

If you truly believe this you're peeling an empty banana, grand master pendejo sin bolas.
This Jezebel holds both you fucking poodles with the same amused tolerance she has for squealing Michael Jackson fans.

 

the dankass - the inner workings


*successful arguments against the dank one is characterized as hair splitting.

*successful arguments against the dank one are simply ignored

*successful arguments against the dank one are hijacked and claimed to be her own

a failed assertion will be rephrased and claimed to be her original argument

*posters will be accused of misunderstanding her intent

*questions that have negative implications for the dank one's argument will be routinely ignored

*limits are imposed on the time taken to respond. when this arbitrary time is exceeded, the dank one declares victory

*a negative characterization of posters is employed in defeat by the dank one. typically, one will be likened to a beast and/or sexuality is called into question

 

Churl:

A nip on the nose is characterized as a 'successful' stab to the heart by those spiteful wretches who'd delight in the fall of their betters.

Ignoring that his war horse ignores just as well is characteristic of the same vindictive maggot

You missed a star.

Challenge her authority and he will roar and kick the sofa with his hot belch of insecurity.


Pause. Ok........what the hell am I doing? I'm killing houseflies with bullets when it comes to spooky.

Whatever. If I had that poodle's spine in my hands right now I'd grind it to dust and sprinkle it on my cheerios.

 

HEY!!
Leave my people out of it.
Our elixers and gadgets always work, gaji.

 

Yes, a mutherfucking continuation indeed! I will seep to low fucking levels and revel in the stupidity of it all:

So......Once upon a fucking time in sciforums, the hed was reading and posting whilst going through the drudgery of compile and edit at the lab. Simplistically, as always the hed is fucking bored; a debate with wesmorris promises to provide intellectual stimulus and so the hed is waiting... Out of the blue, comes a fucking message from the fat bitch: "Pardon the Delay" + link to a thread the hed could give a shit about. But oh, wait one fucking second! This is Gendanken! The bitch who got pissed because the hed called two of her threads inane when the perpetual nice guy Sarge suggested them for nomination in the Hed’s original fountainhed awards. Ah, well this is fucking interesting, thinks the hed. This bitch is certainly less predictable than Xev, lets see what kinda fucking holes I can put the bitch through for some fun. These sentiments about her predictability in relation to Xev and our first encounter are here: Start here and move go on: .

So the hed replies to the fat one: Surprise me, I am bored.

The fatty replies: Hmm.
"Me pregunto por si el fountainhed sabe lo que esta haciendo. Cuidado. How dare you.” Already I'm "LOL" from translator use and the unpredictability.

So the hed digs the fucking hole further: "LOL. Me thinks since a year after I got out of the womb, I have known what I have been doing. How dare I? Surely...."

Gendanken responds: Surely not. To reach out and touch in the silly guise of 'boredom' is as see through as spooky's little game of poodleing. So, what does my fountainboy want from me? To do circles? deal out some aphrodisiatic solipsist mush? "chat" like a pleb? "Me pregunto por si el fountainhed sabe lo que esta haciendo. Cuidado" Translation: I wonder if my fountainboy knows what he's doing. Be careful." Reading this shit still makes me chuckle.

The hed is getting impatient: Don't think too much. I guise not my intentions. I am truly bored. Wesmorris did not offer the intellectual stimulus I needed for he has to chill with fam. You are online and you have a habit of surprising me, what else is there?
And it is surely,..You cannot think this little of thefountainhed.
"aphrodiastic..." You have a way with the adjectives...
Spookz is a moron I had fun with uuntil he started getting pissed. What do I want from you? To surprise me, pick how.
Translation: I wonder if my fountainboy knows what he's doing.
Me tiase', me nye akura be wo timi ka nkwasia sem twere no
Laconic Translation: Woman, I know where I thread." For any that know psychology, this is a setup for what follows: And appeal to the ego to get a view of the psyche of the observed. First loop coming shortly.

Gendanken: "Oohh..ohhh-Oh. A multi-lingual double surprise. Double whammies. Lucious duplex.....seems you've surprised me..
Crave stimulation as I do then? Grand. I'm seconds from posting a pretty up in my language thread. That's right...mine. Mephura gave it to me, he spoils me filthy. You can hear my thoughts sizzling there. If not, and you really are bored and I'm only serving as your (shudder) "placeholder".........then what the devil do you want, my dear? A strip tease? Some cyberfondling? Bare my fangs and squeal surprise? Around here I can do the latter......but I don't waste mindspace on just anyone. Nino sonso.

"Woman, I know where I thread."
But know not where'st thou tread, yes?"

Hed: No placeholder, and surely you dont expect a placation of your ego.
But know not where'st thou tread, yes?
nae
Surprise me woman!

And then the Gendanken responds: I'm madly in love with you. I picture my talons scratching sweet nothings on the black of your beautiful skin. I throb like a blood clot just thinking of you. Hecate has come and gave me her secrets...she's a trickster that one and gifted me charms.
Row with me, loverboy, down the river Lethe and drown your sorrows in oblivion.
You and I like thumb and forefinger will pick the world that cries us out for mercy.

But nay....I can't hear the moaning. I am whiling away making glorious love to my Nubian god. My fountainboy.

At this point, my man wesmorris finally posts and I have better things to do, so I simply respond: LOL. woman...

At this point, the hed was ready to observe and see the effects of this whole nonsense on an ego so fragile it jumps on a fucking fly meters away.


One effect:
“Watchutalkingbout, Willis? Oh hush. I prefer my Nubian gods silenced and stone drunk on Brandy.
Damn sexy.”

EDIT TO this:
I am gonna emerge out of my self-imposed silence(meditating) to say this: Sarge, that was pathetic and shameful. You sounded like a whipped sissy crying for his mama after getting bitched slapped. Absolutely disgusting. You state an opinion about who you think creates the best threads and you end up apologizing??? What the fuck is with you bro? Get the fuck up man; stand and defend your fucking opinions and don't let people walk over you like a fucking punk! man, fuck. I am so fucking disgusted I am gonna take a shot of Brandy and take a walk.


From here: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28160

Eventually, the hed decides to end the ‘cease fire’ for the bitch is more amusing when hostile.

So after many “debates”—mark that one doesn’t really debate with the fat bitch for she will go through all the points that Spookz makes in the post above. She has reached her last resort: call the hed ugly and a gargoyle. Now, let’s see where the bitch proceeds. So now that I have practically dishonoured myself by publically posting pms, I’m gonna go smoke…

 

moron eh?

 

Eh spookz, he is. If you're going to be a devious fuck and post private messages, that's one thing.

But they ought to be private messages that humiliate your opponents, not ones that reveal what an idiot you are.

 

Here, Dapthar:

Verba mea dubites et verberes, sed tamen nobilioribvs hominibvs eadem scripta svnt accepta et svnt credita. Pertvrbatvs, sedes fortiter in invtile et hvmile genitis fvroris. Mane nece in tva solitvdine sine solacio hvmanitatis! Tv, cvivs mens est oblita et est clavsa cvpiditate, ostendes bene sese esse tantvs caecvs.

You may doubt and attack my words, but these same writings have, nevertheless, been accepted and believed by men nobler. Confused, you sit in the low and useless creations of delusion. Till death remain in that your wilderness without the solace of humanity! You, whose mind has been blurred and closed by spite, prove yourself to be utterly blind.


Wonderful . . . did I insult you in some way, Dapthar?

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Spock:

Appeal to the ego.

 

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however for a guy that demands accuracy in names (hed not head), you are doing a piss poor job with mine

uhh i was referring to the "Spookz is a moron" quote.

 

My favorite bitch:
You are getting lazy B; at some point, your retorts could be said to have imagination. Hell, at one point you could even be said to have been intriguing. Now, it is the same repetitive nonsense lacking in imagination. You keep chasing nonexistent ghosts and wasting your time pursuing whimsical solidarity when you should seeking other avenues and letting the fat one chase. You’ve become a pathetic bore and I am getting annoyed. Get the fuck out of the corner where you sleep, and step into the center.


Spookz:

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Laziness + hypocrisy + purposefulness. Either way, Spookz it shall be.


D-ble:

You realize the above to be absolutely pathetic, neh? 'Men nobler' have believed and accepted "lacrimating copiously?' Yea, those men are 15 year old high schoolers with egos big enough to fit the dank ass. You claim spite when I have been relatively 'nice' to you fool. Do not delude yourself fool; your attempts at flaming were juvenile and your reasoning behind the attempt pathetic. I suggest you leave it be, until the conditions imply that you, by 'you' only, must necessarily attempt a retort. Capice?

 

First, I would like to address the fountainhed. At least in this thread, please keep your profanities and vulgarities to a minimum, since if you continue your present behavior, this thread will most likely be closed. Thank you.

Yet, the logic still holds, and is not hampered by your attempted trivializations.

Again, you assert this with the utmost certainty, when you haven't a clue as to what actually happens after one dies.

Again, you trivialize objections in an attempt to strengthen your argument, instead of addressing the issue at hand. You could try something new, and actually try to deliver a proper counterpoint. However, I am beginning to get the impression that this task might be beyond your scope.

Wow. I wonder if when you read posts, you simply remember what you would like to have read. To refresh your faulty memory, here is what I posted earlier in the "Hatred" thread:

Consider a man who is a member of the "Alcor Life Extension Foundation". Assume he makes some poor financial choices, and with the exception of his life insurance, he has not a penny to his name. The bill collectors come calling, and due to the stress induced by these dire straits, the man decides to commit suicide. However, before he does, he places a call to the Alcor foundation. He then kills himself, the Alcor team arrives at his house, and some short time later, he is vitrified. According to your assertion, now that he is dead, his problems are over. Some time in the future he is revived, and, according to you, he should no longer have any financial problems, since his problems died with him. However, it is obvious that he is still penniless, since his life insurance paid for his stasis, thus killing himself did not end his problem.

I never asserted that after death the man went to the "after life", nor did I assert that bill collectors still bothered him. I only stated that he died a poor man, and after being revived, he was still poor, proving that suicide did not solve his problems.

My argument was simply a logical extension of current scientific techniques. If, at some time in the future, people can truly be revived after being vitrified, the above thought experiment is entirely plausible. One would think that someone who based their user name on the German term for a thought experiment would be able to understand one. However, you did misspell it, so maybe I should have taken that as a sign. (By the way, the proper spelling of the word is gedanken, but that only means "thought". The proper term for a "thought experiment" is gedankenexperiment.)

Reduced to analyzing grammar, how pedantic. You may not realize it, but by concentrating on grammatical nuances, you simply accentuate the fact that you are avoiding the points I raised.

Why should I bother? I have already stated the fatal flaw in your argument in my previous post, and in the "Hatred" thread, I already discussed examples that further destroy your argument. Unless you have some new point to address, the "Hatred" thread will continue its journey to the archives.

More conjecture about my character that you have no means of supporting. Is this all you have left?

I frankly don't care if you call him Mr. Ed. However, if you are trying to state that there are similarities between tiassa and myself, you would actually have to know something about my character first. I have only made a few statements addressing such matters, and since I doubt that any of them can be correctly likened to characteristics that are portrayed in tiassa's posts, your comparisons are moot.

I find your self-characterization as a war machine rather humorous. If one were to choose an accurate mechanical analogy, then a broken vending machine would seem to accurately describe your posting style. You continue to dispense only one thing regardless of the circumstance, poor arguments filled with profane language.

Frankly, I grow tired of your poor arguments and vulgar language. I suggest that if you cannot present a well reasoned, logical argument that is free of vulgarities, then you should simply concede. Or, you could follow Xev's example, and simply ignore my posts, and merrily go along your way. One would think that the moderator of the Philosophy forum would have above average debate skills, but Xev seems intent on demonstrating the contrary. However, if her previous replies are any indication of her debating abilities, then remaining silent is her best option.

No, you did not. However, I find your posts seem to support that stereotype that those with knowledge tend to "place themselves on pedestals". I find that the people who are the most knowledgeable are usually the most humble, and those that know very little are quick to condescend. Little do you realize that if those whom you learned from (either from other people directly, or from textbooks) behaved in such a manner, you would not posses the knowledge you so readily vaunt. So, in closing, I suggest you not behave in such an arrogant manner.

 

fountainhed:

*Yawns*
You operate on six hours sleep in forty eight hours and then not having anything truely amusing to reply to. Entertain me and I might perk up.

 

HAH! I am operating on less than 4! You used to be more amusing...

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This place used to not suck like a toothless hooker.

 

You know what? I bet a blow job from a toothless hooker would probably feel better than one from a toothed one-- assuming like skill. Therefore, I think I would prefer a blow job from a toothless hooker at this pathetic juncture. A least I only have 2 damn hours! All that said, I think one from you would probably be best, neh?

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Toothless hookers make so much more money then guys who give hand jobs.