Sorry to use this forum as a means to convey a message to the object of my attention. However it is necessary to do so as I know that my posts are being fully monitored and I wish to bring the issue to a head.

Most people at this forum have seen my many posts over the years and note that they have offerred some rather, shall we say contraversial approaches to certain subjects. I have endured ridicule and no doubt I shall do so again with this post.
It has come to my attention through means best left un-said that the seemingly paranoid complaints of many seriously uncomfortable persons that they are being victimised by mind control or "will controling" influences has significant grounds for validity.

I wished only to declare to those persons monitoring this post that they are no longer able to hide under the veil of ignorance nor the accusation of insanity thrown at persons who mention or other wise describe such influences.

Your influence will cease, and that is all there is to it.
As to retributon for your crimes against humanity and human rights this has yet to be determined.

I challenge you to a fight to the death if that is what you wish.....
As the method used is electro magnetic amplification using quantum entanglement technologies by a special disc attached to the right temple, it shall fail to maintain coherancy and the operator [cohercer] shall face irrepairable brain trauma. So I suggest you stop using them....all of them.
Self determination Violations using electro-mechanical means will not be accepted.


If any one would care to coment feel "free" to do so.....:)

If any one would care to coment feel "free" to do so.....:)

Yep!
I wanted to comment but after reading that drivel, I was basically comentose(sic).

don't care....:)

they have already got the message...am awaiting a response

QQ, take a vacation. Your profession and / or exposure to patients with schizophrenia are really taking you over the edge.

Part of what is driving this CC is that at this very moment I have over 20 known friends and relatives all suffering forms of "schizophrenia" including severe thyroid issues and other major symptoms due to the influence of these morons.

To witness what they are doing to my kids and close relatives just makes me very determined.

So far there have been4 hospital admissions for "unable to be diagnosed " bowel and lower intestine complaints. [ similar to severe appendicitis but of a very different location of inflamation.] edit: 6 hospital admissions for indeterminable chronic Bowl complaints including to very young children of a very close friend.
3 hospital admissions for severe depression and a whole heap of other sundry issues.

All are now in a chronic and persistant state with only passing relief.

Now If I remember correctly schizophrenia is not contagious yet here we have serious issues coming from way too many persons all associated with myself who also have a history of normal to very good health in the past.

Especially since becoming aware of their contriviances. [ about 10 months ago ]

Whilst some may be considered a statistically expected the numbers are just way too high to be ignored.

And this is just the circumstancial evidence!

I only just realised the connection about 24 hours ago and so many pieces to a very big puzzle suddenly make a whole lot of sense.

May you find a singularity that you can become one with. OMMMM!:p

A test I have been doing has been asking people to review and offer contructive criticism for a business web site I produced and published.
So far in about 3 months I have been unable to achieve constructive criticism by any one that I have an association with, however all persons I have asked have suddenly sufferred severe insomnia and a variety of other complaints. [I have had by the way over 7000 hits to the site since launch about 10 days ago but as yet not a single feedback response]

so if you want to test the process go to
www.bizzylink.com
and offer some constructive criticism if you can by posting in this forum.

[I bet that you will find some reason not to and also suffer serious issues such as insomnia, thyroid hyperactivity and possibly depression]

And if the words "Egotistic"
"egocentric" come to mind you are in trouble.....

Part of what is driving this CC is that at this very moment I have over 20 known friends and relatives all suffering forms of "schizophrenia" including severe thyroid issues and other major symptoms due to the influence of these morons.

To witness what they are doing to my kids and close relatives just makes me very determined.

So far there have been4 hospital admissions for "unable to be diagnosed " bowel and lower intestine complaints. [ similar to severe appendicitis but of a very different location of inflamation.] edit: 6 hospital admissions for indeterminable chronic Bowl complaints including to very young children of a very close friend.
3 hospital admissions for severe depression and a whole heap of other sundry issues.

All are now in a chronic and persistant state with only passing relief.

Now If I remember correctly schizophrenia is not contagious yet here we have serious issues coming from way too many persons all associated with myself who also have a history of normal to very good health in the past.

Especially since becoming aware of their contriviances. [ about 10 months ago ]

Whilst some may be considered a statistically expected the numbers are just way too high to be ignored.

And this is just the circumstancial evidence!

I only just realised the connection about 24 hours ago and so many pieces to a very big puzzle suddenly make a whole lot of sense.

QQ, the human brain is very good at noticing differences / similarities. It is also predisposed to inventing correlations and use those as causality (you of all people should know this). It's also much harder to obtain objectivity when presented with the stress of everyone around you suffering similar symptoms without clear diagnosis.

Maybe a different systematic approach can be taken to investigating what's happening. It might be valuable to start finding the identities and deltas between anyone afflicted:

* What food is being eaten?
* Where does the food come from (all the way back to the source)?
* What soaps / detergents / cleaning products / hair products / etc. are being used and where do they come from?
* What's in the water and where does it come from?
* What's in the air and where are those elements coming from?
* What medications are being used and where are they coming from?
* What are the sources of wave generation in your area (radio, microwave, electrical, etc.)?
* What information does the local administration have concerning Toxins in the area?
* What entomylogical changes have occured in your area?
* How is the local wild life doing (with particular focus on mammals)?

If matches are found, start putting changes on those items on a timeline and find out what has transpired.

A test I have been doing has been asking people to review and offer contructive criticism for a business web site I produced and published.
So far in about 3 months I have been unable to achieve constructive criticism by any one that I have an association with, however all persons I have asked have suddenly sufferred severe insomnia and a variety of other complaints. [I have had by the way over 7000 hits to the site since launch about 10 days ago but as yet not a single feedback response]

so if you want to test the process go to
www.bizzylink.com
and offer some constructive criticism if you can by posting in this forum.

[I bet that you will find some reason not to and also suffer serious issues such as insomnia, thyroid hyperactivity and possibly depression]

And if the words "Egotistic"
"egocentric" come to mind you are in trouble.....

Let's break that correlation is causation cycle so you can see it. I'll check out the site and provide feedback.

Electromagnetic fields can be detected with the proper equipment. I am extremely skeptical of your claims of mind control. No one really understands the mind as yet, so how could anyone control it? Your complaints are almost identical to a friend of mine who is quite obviously schizophrenic, a person so unimportant in the scheme of things that no one would ever go to the expense and bother of controlling his mind.

It's possible that there is some environmental toxin in your area, perhaps the effects of Chernobyl, maybe lead or mercury poisoning... dare I say involvement in drugs...

It is also predisposed to inventing correlations and use those as causality (you of all people should know this).

absolutely correct and I certainly do know this.
What are the sources of wave generation in your area (radio, microwave, electrical, etc.)?

Does a small electromagnetic disc attached to the right temple of a power crazed idiot qualify as a em wav source generator? [ any way it is a quantum device which transends EM.]

hmmm Maybe...yes?

What medications are being used and where are they coming from?
not much to start with but plenty meds now....thank you....

I do appreciate your interest though...thanks CC.

Electromagnetic fields can be detected with the proper equipment. I am extremely skeptical of your claims of mind control. No one really understands the mind as yet, so how could anyone control it? Your complaints are almost identical to a friend of mine who is quite obviously schizophrenic, a person so unimportant in the scheme of things that no one would ever go to the expense and bother of controlling his mind.

It's possible that there is some environmental toxin in your area, perhaps the effects of Chernobyl, maybe lead or mercury poisoning... dare I say involvement in drugs...

It is not something that the popular press would take on SpiderGoat. Especially when the morons use DENIAL as their founding technique.

It is the DENIAL that is making all my relatives and friends sick because the heart knows one thing and the mind is being told another. Totally binding my relatives an dclose friends and their associates into a state of chronic debilitation.

It cost me a marriage I might add as well which I shall certainly be seeking compenations for.

I might add for the benefit of our disc wearing monitor.
"There is no greater crime against the welfare of this universe than what you have committed."

Who cares about the press? First confirm the evidence that there is something real occurring, like cell phone towers or something, then you can lobby to do something about it. Otherwise, you're just crazy, and believe me, there is no shortage of crazy people in the world. Your paranoia points to mental illness as the most likely explanation.

Electromagnetic fields can be detected with the proper equipment. I am extremely skeptical of your claims of mind control. No one really understands the mind as yet, so how could anyone control it? Your complaints are almost identical to a friend of mine who is quite obviously schizophrenic, a person so unimportant in the scheme of things that no one would ever go to the expense and bother of controlling his mind.

It's possible that there is some environmental toxin in your area, perhaps the effects of Chernobyl, maybe lead or mercury poisoning... dare I say involvement in drugs...

Of course you are entitiled to be extremely skeptical. Shit! even I with all my psych experience was extremely skeptical. But I can assure you I am no longer.
Since posting this 12 hours ago things have improved remarkably. [ I actually got some quality sleep for a change ]

I am "hoping" to get some positive news from friends and relatives over the next few days.

This thread is not about proving psych, but simply informing the perpetrators that their influence will no longer be tolerated and that global ignorance is no longer a benefit to them.

Who cares about the press? First confirm the evidence that there is something real occurring, like cell phone towers or something, then you can lobby to do something about it. Otherwise, you're just crazy, and believe me, there is no shortage of crazy people in the world. Your paranoia points to mental illness as the most likely explanation.

Why would a quantum device need cell phone towers SG?

yeah of course I am crazy. Crazy and mad as hell....
and I might add I find it incredibly arrogant to suggest that you can assume that you have all the known knowledge about how the mind works. There is a lot more knowledge out there than you are aware of.

Popular medical opinion is about as useful as a wet tea towel.

btw
there are 28 persons from different locations around the world all seeking to find the perps HQ.....at present it appears to be North Eastern Europe
The quantum signature can be traced by it's resonance at source guys!

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...
so if you want to test the process go to
www.bizzylink.com
and offer some constructive criticism if you can by posting in this forum.
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...


Done.

TOP PANE:
* What state is Dandenong in? Without that information, someone out-of-state might not find the site valuable.


LEFTMOST NAVIGATION PANE:
* The gradients of the individual items are visually distracting and makes it hard read the text.
* Empty items should be removed.
* Shoppers Club should be removed until it is completed.
* Video Chat should be removed until it is completed.
* About Us should be removed until it is completed.
* The Admin item should be removed.
* All items indented under the Dandy Gossiper don't appear to be related to the Gossiper; hence, they should not be indented.


HOME SCREEN:
* A visually distracting background image makes it very hard to read the text.
* Community Services Listing should be removed as it is incomplete.
* Gossiper Local News should be removed as its on the navigation pane (don't be afraid to have items on the navigation pane that take up more than one line by the way).
* The link 'Local Business Directory Listing' has a different name on the navigation pane (the name being 'Retail Listing'). The names should be identical.
* The 'Business Forum and Video Chat' link has a different name on the navigation pane (the name being 'Video Chat'). They should be identical.
* The 'CONTACT US' link's case does not match the item on the nagivation pane (it is 'Contact Us'). They should be identical.
* There are too many colors in the textual description (white, yellow, light pink, and dark pink). Two colors is more than enough (bold face is ok for any color).
* The 'Upgrade to Gold' banner is cut off at the bottom.


RETAIL LISTING SCREEN:
* Might want to consider adding a mapquest directions link for each business.
* Might want to consider having a user ratings / review section for each business.
* E-Shop column header is not aligned to the table.
* M/Shop column header is not aligned to the table.
* Might want to consider subtle alternating colors between table items for ease of visual tracking.


NEW BUSINESSES SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.


CLASSIFIEDS SCREEN:
* The style of presentation would be better if it had a navigation pane and content pane (similar to Retail Listing).


SUBSCRIPTIONS SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.


DANDY GOSSIPER SCREEN:
* What is the motivation for people to submit gossip? i.e. What's in it for them?


SPONSORS SCREEN:
WEB SERVICES SCREEN:
CONTACT US SCREEN:
BIZZY REPS SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.

Done.

TOP PANE:
* What state is Dandenong in? Without that information, someone out-of-state might not find the site valuable.


LEFTMOST NAVIGATION PANE:
* The gradients of the individual items are visually distracting and makes it hard read the text.
* Empty items should be removed.
* Shoppers Club should be removed until it is completed.
* Video Chat should be removed until it is completed.
* About Us should be removed until it is completed.
* The Admin item should be removed.
* All items indented under the Dandy Gossiper don't appear to be related to the Gossiper; hence, they should not be indented.


HOME SCREEN:
* A visually distracting background image makes it very hard to read the text.
* Community Services Listing should be removed as it is incomplete.
* Gossiper Local News should be removed as its on the navigation pane (don't be afraid to have items on the navigation pane that take up more than one line by the way).
* The link 'Local Business Directory Listing' has a different name on the navigation pane (the name being 'Retail Listing'). The names should be identical.
* The 'Business Forum and Video Chat' link has a different name on the navigation pane (the name being 'Video Chat'). They should be identical.
* The 'CONTACT US' link's case does not match the item on the nagivation pane (it is 'Contact Us'). They should be identical.
* There are too many colors in the textual description (white, yellow, light pink, and dark pink). Two colors is more than enough (bold face is ok for any color).
* The 'Upgrade to Gold' banner is cut off at the bottom.


RETAIL LISTING SCREEN:
* Might want to consider adding a mapquest directions link for each business.
* Might want to consider having a user ratings / review section for each business.
* E-Shop column header is not aligned to the table.
* M/Shop column header is not aligned to the table.
* Might want to consider subtle alternating colors between table items for ease of visual tracking.


NEW BUSINESSES SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.


CLASSIFIEDS SCREEN:
* The style of presentation would be better if it had a navigation pane and content pane (similar to Retail Listing).


SUBSCRIPTIONS SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.


DANDY GOSSIPER SCREEN:
* What is the motivation for people to submit gossip? i.e. What's in it for them?


SPONSORS SCREEN:
WEB SERVICES SCREEN:
CONTACT US SCREEN:
BIZZY REPS SCREEN:
* Same background image / text color issues as the HOME screen.
holy Shit!

fantastic...ha...and unexpected...
very welcomed too I might add.....

ha....CC you put a smile on my lips for the first time in ages...well done!

I shall be continuing posting from the local shopping centre cafe/ restaurant La Porchetta.....[which is where I run the business from and observe the transition under way.] They know where I sit......

also my estranged wife has reported big improvements in her well being.

awaiting further news....

Quantum my ass. There are no "purps", it's all in your head. Get some real help.

Does a small electromagnetic disc attached to the right temple of a power crazed idiot qualify as a em wav source generator? [ any way it is a quantum device which transends EM.]

hmmm Maybe...yes?


QQ, let me throw a little bit of hard reality into the mix. Let's entertain the idea that a small group of people:

* Have figured out how to entangle their brains with those of other people.
* Have the power requirements to achieve and sustain such entanglement without instantanenously electrocuting themselves.
* Have perfected a means to override the thoughts and actions of their targets through this technology.

If this were all true, there is still one obstacle they could not overcome... and that is entangled brains would instantly kill people. Lets say for example, 1 square inch of my brain is entangled with one square inch of yours. If I take a step forward while you are standing still, guess what is going to happen? One square inch of your brain is going to squish into one square inch of grey matter in front of it. Instantaneous 2 square inches of brain damage. You see the point? Similarly, because of the entanglement, the absolute reverse could happen (there is no such thing as unidirectional entanglement). Think... QQ... think.

Quantum my ass. There are no "purps", it's all in your head. Get some real help.

exactly ......it's all in our heads.....ha

holy Shit!

fantastic...ha...and unexpected...
very welcomed too I might add.....

ha....CC you put a smile on my lips for the first time in ages...well done!

I shall be continuing posting from the local shopping centre cafe/ restaurant La Porchetta.....[which is where I run the business from and observe the transition under way.] They know where I sit......

also my estranged wife has reported big improvements in her well being.

awaiting further news....

I am glad it put a smile on your face and I hope it helps you make the website all it can be :).

QQ, let me throw a little bit of hard reality into the mix. Let's entertain the idea that a small group of people:

* Have figured out how to entangle their brains with those of other people.
* Have the power requirements to achieve and sustain such entanglement without instantanenously electrocuting themselves.
* Have perfected a means to override the thoughts and actions of their targets through this technology.

If this were all true, there is still one obstacle they could not overcome... and that is entangled brains would instantly kill people. Lets say for example, 1 square inch of my brain is entangled with one square inch of yours. If I take a step forward while you are standing still, guess what is going to happen? One square inch of your brain is going to squish into one square inch of grey matter in front of it. Instantaneous 2 square inches of brain damage. You see the point? Similarly, because of the entanglement, the absolute reverse could happen (there is no such thing as unidirectional entanglement). Think... QQ... think.

Actually I must admit years ago I had to consider just this as I skeptically had to deal with certain things, however the entanglement does not have it's effect in reality as such.

The effect is through a zero point [ tunnel if you like - however it has no dimensions so tunnel would be inappropriate in a strict sense, even gateway woudl be incorrect]

I was going to publish "zero point theory" ages ago but discovered my posts were being monitored and surprisingly I suddenly lost interest. I pondered on why I had lost interest for a few weeks then it dawned upon me that I was possibly being manipulated beyond that which I would normally allow.

A bit of steady research and consistant testing has shown with out doubt the influence and it's signature.
To me it is evident in refraction of imagination, or more importantly spatial imagination or what I call Promagination [ projections of self through space and time.
And what is more distressing and initially confusing is witnessing it in other people around me especially when I can sense their struggle against the influence [ usually by way of over correction, loss of balance, short term memory loss, self awareness loss and dropping things all the time]

hmmmm...I shall stop for a moment as I am not accustomed to having this freedom to express myself freely again.
[ one of the main reasons for the Global pandemic in persons suffering depression could very well be their reaction to the Oppression being applied. The similarity between symptoms of depression and the symptons of oppression can be confused very easilly.]


shall post again soon...

QQ, Entanglement has very specific behaviors and what you are describing is something else entirely. I would find it very unlikely that some group of people in Eastern Europe have perfected some kind of mind control technology that are far beyond the knowledge of mainstream physics and neuroscience. And you know... demonstratable objective evidence is the key.

I semi-recently saw an Oprah episode (yes my wife watches it so I have to as well :grumble: ) where she had Jennifer Mcarthy as a guest to discuss Autism (her son was afflicted). One day it just seemed to happen (almost out of the blue) and the symtoms she described are very similar to the ones you seemed to have experienced. She did alot of research in conjunction with a group parents and she found strong correlary evidence that man-made toxic chemicals found in various foods were present in each of the cases. After removing those foods in conjunction with alot of TLC, her son recovered. The point is, there are alot of poisions in our environment that can really mess us up (temporarily or permanently).

QQ, let me throw a little bit of hard reality into the mix. Let's entertain the idea that a small group of people:

* Have figured out how to entangle their brains with those of other people.
* Have the power requirements to achieve and sustain such entanglement without instantanenously electrocuting themselves.
* Have perfected a means to override the thoughts and actions of their targets through this technology.

If this were all true, there is still one obstacle they could not overcome... and that is entangled brains would instantly kill people. Lets say for example, 1 square inch of my brain is entangled with one square inch of yours. If I take a step forward while you are standing still, guess what is going to happen? One square inch of your brain is going to squish into one square inch of grey matter in front of it. Instantaneous 2 square inches of brain damage. You see the point? Similarly, because of the entanglement, the absolute reverse could happen (there is no such thing as unidirectional entanglement). Think... QQ... think.

a good example....

I was thinking North western Europe when typing the location and what did I type but North Eastern Europe [ blind spot memory lapse ].....I tend to think Sweden or Finland ,yet to be confirmed. [ I normally do not make such silly mistakes. ]

QQ, Entanglement has very specific behaviors and what you are describing is something else entirely. I would find it very unlikely that some group of people in Eastern Europe have perfected some kind of mind control technology that are far beyond the knowledge of mainstream physics and neuroscience. And you know... demonstratable objective evidence is the key.

I semi-recently saw an Oprah episode (yes my wife watches it so I have to as well :grumble: ) where she had Jennifer Mcarthy as a guest to discuss Autism (her son was afflicted). One day it just seemed to happen (almost out of the blue) and the symtoms she described are very similar to the ones you seemed to have experienced. She did alot of research in conjunction with a group parents and she found strong correlary evidence that man-made toxic chemicals found in various foods were present in each of the cases. After removing those foods in conjunction with alot of TLC, her son recovered. The point is, there are alot of poisions in our environment that can really mess us up (temporarily or permanently).

all good points CC all good.

Local toxins in food stuffs would be ok if it involved only persons in a close community. Here it involves persons spread over an entire capital city and interstate, and over seas.

True that current mainstream understanding of quantum entaglement is such and limited.I used the words because they would recognise what I was talking about.

Entanglement itself suggests temporary states or at least the ability to dis-entangle.
In current understanding dis-entanglement is possible however in this issue the whole universe is entangled via the zero point. And is a fundamental of how inertia functions not to mention various other aspects of quantum or hyper space universe physics. According to my own research and understanding the human mind is also entangled similarilly.

Of course objects of mass do appear to have independant movement with out the crushing effect you talked of earlier however their resistance to changes in momentum is a direct result of all masses being entangled via a zero point. The zero poit iteslf offers no resistance to independance however the transferred effects between masses does provide the effect of inertia and why it is a universal constant as it is with gravity.

Objective evidence is currently not available however I am very confident this will become so in the future.

After all this crap has passed I shall publish the theory and provide evidence to support it using conventional methods.

nb.
It is in the interests of these people to ensure psychic pheno can not be proven as to do so would expose their shitty behaviour.

we shall see something very soon I reckon.....

Have you tried one of these?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:HSqUKkg66GgoUM:http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

if it would work I wouldn't hesitate. But unfortunately you seem to miss the important point I was making about the fact that it utilises a sort of quantum tunneling effect or in other words it doesn't produce EM.

Now if you post again about Em type devices I can only refer you back to this post...ok?

Update - day 3:
If you thought the thread so far was incredible you aint going to believe whats happened since posting!

So I am not going to bother posting the detail....

but would like to ask any persons who have suffered sudden coughing fits, dizziness, insomnia, or stomache complaints, or hallucination type psychosis [ auditiory or visual ] since reading this thread to post if they can.

I have been feeling great all weekend QQ.

I have been feeling great all weekend QQ.
good to hear that you have been well. CC

So far 4 people associated have reported dramatic improvement.

Mostly insomnia issues greatly reduced. However their persistant hacking cough has calmed somewhat as well. [thyroid glands appear to be stabilising] Of course they do not realise what is happening but will eventually.

Got a bit go yet though.

Well, keep us informed. Inquiring minds want to know.

btw
there are 28 persons from different locations around the world all seeking to find the perps HQ.....at present it appears to be North Eastern Europe
The quantum signature can be traced by it's resonance at source guys!

N.E.Europe? nooo, you are very cold. We are using HAARP for you. we care enough to send the very best.:rolleyes:

Excellent thread! I haven't read the 2nd page, and, cannot exactly say I understood the exact source of the first pages issues...

With that being said, I go on to what I want to say :p

I'll read the rest of the thread.

QQ, I'm not quite sure if you refered to me in this thread, but the way you write kicks ass. Anyway.

Spidergoat:


It's pretty certain that people do understand the mind. I can't be totally sure but had to comment there about that. As far as the mind control goes, will control and other real issues presented by QQ, I'd have to say. If I think that I'm being affected by them, or, get this: they somehow affect my reality... and, how can you deny what your reality is... then they must without doubt be real. Will control. Affect control. It's all pretty straight forward.

If you can't understand the fucking basics don't even bother.

But since this thread is about other things I won't bother either, as QQ said specifically this thread isn't entirely about, proving the "psychic" realm but wouldn't it be a treat :D LOL Anyhow.

I am skeptical too, but, there's no reason to be entirely skepticial, although of course that is exactly what keeps us alive, possibly, is, our skepticism.
It's a defense mechanism or a protection ability, which eases our way of being. Of course there are plenty of ways of being. ... Sigh/// :/

So. Let me check out the thread again, and try again to understand some things I might get back but might have to stay away from this computer for a while until I get my own...

Later

Hi QQ. Been a while. I hope you're being serious here. I remember seeing a pic of you and your wife. Sorry to hear about your difficulties on that front. As for the rest of it, I really have no idea what to say. Given your post history I'm a bit confused.

Hi QQ. Been a while. I hope you're being serious here. I remember seeing a pic of you and your wife. Sorry to hear about your difficulties on that front. As for the rest of it, I really have no idea what to say. Given your post history I'm a bit confused.

Yes SL I understand your concerns for my state of mind.
Which I must admit is ironic in a sense that my posts above are actually in concern with the state of mind seemingly inflicted upon the persons I have assocations with.

Unfortunately if I could consider it all to be just a fabrication of an over active imagination I would be even more crazy...[ and angry too I might add ]

The only thing I can say at this stage is that "the proof is in the pudding" or should I say the outcome.
So far it has been nearly 7 days and so far I have seen remarkable recoveries from many persons some I didn't even know about have since seen fit to contact me and indicate how well they are feeling although they have no idea what is happening here or with regards to this incredible issue.

My ex partner is slowly regaining her wits and health due to better sleep.
My friends very young <5yoa children are now more comfortable regarding their chronic gastro type complaints.
Persons suffering severe depression are becoming more active etc etc...

I can count at this stage over 12 significant imporvements and frankly opnions about my state of mind are irrelevant given what has been happening and is now happening to the people I care about.

For example my son has now managed to complete the exams successfully for his degree in Music and education. An enourmous effort was put in the last 5 days once he was freed up [ in his mind ] to finish his essay tasks.

My first wife [ the mother of my son ] also reports huge improvement in her own health [ hacking cough and severe dizziness]

My father has survived his 5th major cancer surgery [ 2* lung ]

The human body is incredible in it's adaptability to the environmant it must survive in.

To cripple a person by forcing them to deny their emotional being [ love, affection, truths by cohercing them into self suppression and oppression has a devastating effect on a "sane" persons health. [ nothing new in that hey?]

The heart knows the truth but the mind is forced to deny it.

The situation here has been seriously dangerous to my person on 2 separate yet associated occassions over the past 7 days.

The first occasion happened the morning after this thread was instigated.
A person impersonating a police officer threatened to have me charged with child molestation. The person concerned is a serious interstate criminal who is wanted by the police for questioning. [ according to surveilence footage and the local police]

Why a known Crim on the run would expose himself as he did is bewildering and obviously due to timing I would suggest that this thread had a lot to do with it.
The second occasion was due to the sophisticated security at the Shopping Center failing.

The general manager of security that is a friend of mine can not explain the failure.
This meant that my usual and deliberate sitting position which is external to the plaza was totally free of video surveilance.
Police presence in the immediate area was non-existant [ normally regular patrols occur every 60 minutes or so.]

The same crim approached me again took pictures and made threats of his "boys" taking actions. This time he maintained his intimidation attack for nearly 60 minutes with out any concern for surveilance.

[ Don't get me wrong the guy involved is one mean SOB and with out doubt leathal. Built like a brick Shit house too I might add]

After this the situation staterted to improve with reports coming in from all over the place.....
Psychic warfare can be a very traumatic experience SL and one day maybe when the evidence is presented properly we can sit down and go into it a bit. However it can be stated that most mental health issues suffered today are due to some form of psychic warfare not necessarilly just due to this mind control issue regarding the topic of this thread, but also social and community based psychic warefare.

The mind controllers I am referring to have simply learned how to capitalise on what normally occures between people and manipulating it to their ends.

In esio-meta-physical terms they woud be refered to as black wicca or worse.

In this case however it appears to be well organised and money profit [power]orientated. Which of course is their ultimate weakness. {desire for money thus power of money existentialises their pyschic abilities thus the need for a frigging electro mechanical device}

Whilst I am not prepared to say so with total confidence [ if there is ever such a thing as total] The words "Illuminati" keep croping up.

btw for the information of the monitors.
the 28 has grown to 76.
so give it your best shot....

By god man, that was great...

By god man, that was great...

yeah....F*ck em!!

lol say... what??

about the disc.

From what i can understand it was possibly a device developed and used by the military [ undisclosed nation] to amplify a modern Fighter pilots ability to concentrate over extended battle conditions.
The disc is about the 2.5 cms in diameter and is a magnetic resonance or harmonic device that attunes with the wearers mind [ especially right frontal lobe]

They must have discovered that it also amplified other factors especially when it came to cohercion of females. Thus they found out that it had enourmous cohercive ability if trained in a certain way and once they got their proverbial dicks out of the manipultated fems and learned to "concentrate" on other benefits golbal control [obviously] became a real possibility.

The device however can be countered by the the mind of the operator rejecting the devices amplifiction which leads to intense over heating of the right frontal lobe thus brain trauma can result.

If any one reading this thread experiences problems the best protective method is to imagine yourself wearing the very same disc. [In psych terms this equates to being fully aware of cohercion which fires up the bodies instinctive self defense mechanisms [ which I might add are extremely profound once triggered]

Is that what this thread is about? Your fighting these guys, these mind control murdering bastards from some state that you don't know.

I don't really understand honestly...

So, you challange them to the death. I guess they deserve it. U know there not gonna want to fight you. How do u know where there at can u feel their control mechanism. I don't understand a single bit.

Where did you hear this kind of stuff frm neway.
Hows do u knows that theysa exists even,sa?

So a possible psychic attack. That is very, very confusing, and very, very ... mean.

So a possible psychic attack. That is very, very confusing, and very, very ... mean.
nothing "possible" about it Brent. Defined and evidenced by the recovery underway.

Please post an image of the disk.

Come on man.


The recovery. You mean, you know that it is happening. I can take your word for this right. Maybe it's me qq.

Come on man.


The recovery. You mean, you know that it is happening. I can take your word for this right. Maybe it's me qq.

Brent "my word" not needed to be taken, just the experience of recovery will suffice.

Please post an image of the disk.
externally it appears as a carbon fibre [ similar in texture to "load stone"] disc about 2.5 cm diameter with a depth of about 5 mm.
Dark in colour aproximating Black [ non reflective dark carbon ]
Adhered to the temple using some sort of adheasive.
no point drawing a picture

btw,


I do not wish to imply that any form of legitimate military organisation whether secret or public are using this device currently as a mind controller but possibly the technology has fallen out of their hands.

Good lord jesus christ.


What do you mean, I want to know if you ......know, that this is happening or not. You must be refering to... just experiencing 'my' recovery.

Damn. Look, I don't need to take your word for it if you say that it is happening, then I will at least understand that I think it's happening. That's it, really. Just I'm experiencing my recovery sure, it's a pain in the ass. It's more a pain in the ass then, anything I t hink i've ever had to experience of recovery. It isn't like t he rest of the stuff that you think you're suffering through, it isnt like all of the bullshit that you think is happening to you or some failed h elp through some psychologist or anything at all what so ever like that... The experience of recovery is next to impossible because I'm rendered to a state where I can't even sleep, I know that sounds maybe sort of normal but I've not really ever been like that before,...

Just a little while ago someone had told me that I am what I am or whatever. And my problem is not thinking th at I am what I am. I have so much to consider. Not sleeping isn't even the main problem...

It's this damn action paralysis and this other bullshit that is driving me off the wall. It's like i'm "souless", and now, I have to keep an eye out for some other psychic stress. Just imagining that some sort of device is over my head and remembering self defense stuff..

/0-o/

Good lord jesus christ.


What do you mean, I want to know if you ......know, that this is happening or not. You must be refering to... just experiencing 'my' recovery.

Damn. Look, I don't need to take your word for it if you say that it is happening, then I will at least understand that I think it's happening. That's it, really. Just I'm experiencing my recovery sure, it's a pain in the ass. It's more a pain in the ass then, anything I t hink i've ever had to experience of recovery. It isn't like t he rest of the stuff that you think you're suffering through, it isnt like all of the bullshit that you think is happening to you or some failed h elp through some psychologist or anything at all what so ever like that... The experience of recovery is next to impossible because I'm rendered to a state where I can't even sleep, I know that sounds maybe sort of normal but I've not really ever been like that before,...

Just a little while ago someone had told me that I am what I am or whatever. And my problem is not thinking th at I am what I am. I have so much to consider. Not sleeping isn't even the main problem...

It's this damn action paralysis and this other bullshit that is driving me off the wall. It's like i'm "souless", and now, I have to keep an eye out for some other psychic stress. Just imagining that some sort of device is over my head and remembering self defense stuff..

/0-o/

Sorry Brent to cause further confusion for you but unfortunately there is a much bigger picture involevd here.

So many people have suffered enourmously because of this......Some are living and some are now dead because of it.... I really can not make any apology as it is not me that needs to apologise.

externally it appears as a carbon fibre [ similar in texture to "load stone"] disc about 2.5 cm diameter with a depth of about 5 mm.
Dark in colour aproximating Black [ non reflective dark carbon ]
Adhered to the temple using some sort of adheasive.
no point drawing a picture

How ever I may be able to draw a picture of the face(s) that are wearing it.....hmmmmm....tempting.......

It isn't me right...
Apparently, it is me that needs to appologise.

I don't quite get the bigger picture ur talking about...

I don't remember what i read a little eariler, but,
So, a lot of people are now dead, a lot of people are now alive, etc etc etc; because of these people- is that all there is. These people, thats what this is about...

Oh yeah. This might not make nooooo sense what so ever but, when you said 'people that are making crimes aganist humanity', I do feel that it is me, and me alone that is making a crime aganist humanity.

By effecting other people,- you had also said, .. i forget what iw sa just about to say "there is no excuse for it anymore" or something. I forget. But I know that I might be to blame for this too.

Afterall, thanksgiving has probably caused much nightmares for some of those who came and had thanksgiving. My cat is proably suffering from the influences that I have given to it, and my grandmother, just from my words: you said you're like that: What do I do? How do I stop it? It isn't me thats for sure. Wait.

So. You are publishing this on the internet knowing full and well; that, this is a real issue right. Well then. I guess we should discuss it. as if we are not discussing it already.

It isn't me right...
Apparently, it is me that needs to appologise.

I don't quite get the bigger picture ur talking about...

I don't remember what i read a little eariler, but,
So, a lot of people are now dead, a lot of people are now alive, etc etc etc; because of these people- is that all there is. These people, thats what this is about...

Oh yeah. This might not make nooooo sense what so ever but, when you said 'people that are making crimes aganist humanity', I do feel that it is me, and me alone that is making a crime aganist humanity.

By effecting other people,- you had also said, .. i forget what iw sa just about to say "there is no excuse for it anymore" or something. I forget. But I know that I might be to blame for this too.

Afterall, thanksgiving has probably caused much nightmares for some of those who came and had thanksgiving. My cat is proably suffering from the influences that I have given to it, and my grandmother, just from my words: you said you're like that: What do I do? How do I stop it? It isn't me thats for sure. Wait.

So. You are publishing this on the internet knowing full and well; that, this is a real issue right. Well then. I guess we should discuss it. as if we are not discussing it already.

The way will control is experienced from these people is unable to be normally detected by the victim. They are exactly what they are. They behave as they are without any doubts about who they are and whos controling their body and thoughts.
"thoroughly possesssed" would be one way of describing it.
However what happens is that even with the device their influence is not perfect and every now and then someone catches a glimpse of the truth of what is going on. They start to question their own integrity and very soon they start to talk about conspiracy theories. As soon as they mention anythign to do with "possession" "mind control", "being told what to do inaudible voices etc" the victim is immediately cionsidered as irrepairably sick and sentanced to a life time of inadequate medical and societal support, not to mention a life time of poverty and humiliation.

sound familiar?

should.....normal occurance and outcome of serious disorders such as schizphrenia.

These guys however have learned how to immitate or mimic symptoms of common schizophrenia and work in the same way that casues these conditions in the first place and that is from within and not from with out.

So in a sense they are you when they exert their influence.
Once they have discredited the complainer sufficiently enough their fears of discovery are diminished.

But one thing they can not control entirely is a persons ability to dream, but have learned to inflict sufficient denial on a person so that dreaming is almost impossible because severe insomnia is present.

I know of three persons who have all dreamed the same dream [ described with stunniing similarity of men wielding disk like objects attached to their right temples all threatening to kill the victim if exposed.

The last person to describe this dream has just gone through 4 weeks of hell as far as her health is concerned. Undiagnosible thryroid and gastro type illnesses.

Because the crime is so significant persons becoming aware of it immediately feel compelled to speak out and are silenced also immediately.
The thyroid instability is brought about the denial of the freedom to speak as in psych terms the thyroid is seriously affected in oppressed vocal environments. [got somethng to say but can't say it]

As the subliminal messaging continues people associated with me are becoming sub consciously aware of this maniputlation and because they fear being labeled as schizphrenic can not speak out, thus the thyroid is aggravated causing the hacking cough symptoms. [ sane person trying to deal with what appears to be insane notions of mind control]
The denial takes enoumous energy from the person to maintain thus causing the sever gastro intestinal problems and symptoms similar to chronic fatigue, leading to depression and eventual hospitalisation if not suicide.
combined the effects are horrific on a persons life style and means of earning a living.

One of the reasons for running this thread was to bring the issue out in the open and allow "so called sane" persons who have been silenced an opportunity for understaning also at a subconscious level and conscious level.
Thus relieving the effects

so ....what money making industry do you think benefis the most from this bullshit?

Any one know how many persons on the planet are currently dependant on some form of medication?
Any one know how many are likey to be dependant on some form of medication in 5 -10 - 15 years from now?

How much money are we talking about.....?

What other industry has most to gain?

The psychaitriasts?

Your scaring me man, scaring me too much.

Aren't you afraid of them too then.

QQ.

I have very bad news. I will get back on in at most 2 hours from this present time i write this.

Please send me a private message, or MSN etc.

Wow

I-AM-A-MoDeraToR-I-WILL-DELETe-IRELLEVaNT-PosTs

No Brent I am not directing this thread at you personally but at the disc wearing morons only. I am not implying your situation is the subject of this thread in particular. I am not alluding or being anything but totally transperant.

I understand.
Sorry for my rude outbursts... :/


Btw, what is the situation with these morons exactly.
..

Currently their influence has weakened considerably. The general feeling is much smoother and not as aggresive.
My ex-partner has reported her 5th day of consectutive >6hours sleep and looks much better.

Also the ambient tension here has diminished considerably. My own sleep has improved also.

There is a threshhold where their influence will shift dramatically as their own sleep patterns are worsening.

"Yes they do have to sleep too you know"

Any way a breakthrough should happen as soon as their fatigue over whelms their ability to concentrate.

QQ, if I were a science fiction writer I would plagairize this thread ;)

ha...they sometimes say that "truth is stranger than fiction" well I reckon there is some "truth" in that ......hmmmm

and yeah it would make for a good sci fi thriller.......so hows it going to end CC? Care to speculate?:)

I predict the ending will involve little grey anal-probing aliens with big black eyes and they will call themselves "Illuminaughty".

I predict the ending will involve little grey anal-probing aliens with big black eyes and they will call themselves "Illuminaughty".

aww cc "illuminaughty" is bit harsh don't you think?

Any way their eyes are grey and tiny little itty bitty pin holes in the side of their arse!

I think you just invented a new kink right there.

QQ, so how is this tale unfolding?

QQ, so how is this tale unfolding?

Actually it is hard to say at this point. Although the battle itself seems to be over and peace seems to have been achieved in the main a sort of "repairing" is under way.
[After my grandson and daughter were taken to hospital emergency with sever gastro type symptoms an dgrand son had sever tonsilitis [ he is 6 months old]]. [ Both are currently recovering]

The hunt of course, still continues for the group responsible but at yet they haven't been sighted "visually".
The truth of it all is rising up through the subconscious and will make it's revelation soon enough.

The monitoring of this thread has ceased other than the usual stuff. [ military bots etc etc.....]
The monitoring of my position at the local shopping center has also ceased to be so intruisive. In other words plaza security monitoring is now as it would normally be. My relationship with Plaza Security [ which has always been very good] has been restored.

A sort of hiatus period I think.....

A couple of key people in this battle have come out of the wood work and made contact for the first time in years. [ I never force contact with any one so it is entirely up to them and their circumstances as to what they contact me or not...I remain open to contact both materially and psychic-ally at all times ]

You may recall Ozzie's [ my brother in law] fears about freewill interventions or violations {SDV's} during the telepathic trial thread run some years ago with you and Prince James. This is just because the respect for freedom of will and self-determination and the values this imparts are enourmously important to us.

An interesting time lies ahead...for sure



and thats about it for now.....

I swear, I am living in the wrong country.

I swear, I am living in the wrong country.
why do you say that?

i say
what is this challenge?

/deep...deep stuff :confused:

maybe skinwalker would care to answer that question....

why do you say that?

That type of adventure doesn't appear to happen around these parts.

I don't get this at all.

Ooooh QQ, you have to see this link:

http://www.stopabductions.com/

Scroll down to the 'Telepathic War' link on the left hand scroll panel. I told you there would be aliens.

Ooooh QQ, you have to see this link:

http://www.stopabductions.com/

Scroll down to the 'Telepathic War' link on the left hand scroll panel. I told you there would be aliens.

ahhh! I wondered where me ole' mate Rizzo got to [ re: photo of alien on said web link site] ha!

Don't be fooled he is only sleeping which is why they can't find him now....he escaped when they weren't looking and the governement is soooo embarrassed.....ha

Not alot happening at present ...well not much that I can discuss unfortunately. However what I can say is that it appears that the "relative" peace is sustainable and apart from the occassional blip of behaviour issues everything seems almost "ordinary".....

Any updates QQ?

Any updates QQ?
actually not much to say. A sort of peace and recovery phase if you like...
Any evidence of the disc wearing mind controllers influence has virtually disappeared. Occassionally small issues arise but this I presume is a sort of "copy cat" effect that is naturally available to every one....but this is very minor and the difference is considerable as life threat is no longer being applied.
Sorry to confuse if I have. Just not a lot to say at present. I will post as soon as news is worth posting.

The total Fatalities since start of confrontation 3 weeks ago are zero on this side of the fence....

I am not sure about the other side of the fence though.....I am in recovery as well....and am suffering a little disorientation and mild confusion...I hope all is well at your end....?

Hi QQ. Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better.

Sup QQ!

Hi QQ. Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better.

hi SL nice to hear from you...

Yeah but most of all so it is good to see those around and overseas feeling better as well.
Incidence of gastro type symptoms has almost disappeared and thyroid complaints seem to have also.

the distraction of the other thread in pseudoscience has helped as well. I just like a "bun" fight I guess:D

It has come to my attention through means best left un-said that the seemingly paranoid complaints of many seriously uncomfortable persons that they are being victimised by mind control or "will controling" influences has significant grounds for validity.

Those people who feel thus victimized could be, in my opinion, simply very strongly attached to being unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed. That is, they want to think of themselves as unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed, and can't bear not to be so, not even for a moment.

All that is needed to f**k someone in the head is that that person be unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed. This is why it is so easy to lie to kids. But most people as they gorw up, in time, learn to put conditions on their honesty and good will.

Being very strongly attached to one's own goodness and honesty is a sure way for a person to become mad. Seriously.

actually not much to say. A sort of peace and recovery phase if you like...
Any evidence of the disc wearing mind controllers influence has virtually disappeared. Occassionally small issues arise but this I presume is a sort of "copy cat" effect that is naturally available to every one....but this is very minor and the difference is considerable as life threat is no longer being applied.
Sorry to confuse if I have. Just not a lot to say at present. I will post as soon as news is worth posting.

The total Fatalities since start of confrontation 3 weeks ago are zero on this side of the fence....

I am not sure about the other side of the fence though.....I am in recovery as well....and am suffering a little disorientation and mild confusion...I hope all is well at your end....?

That's good to hear. All has been well on this side. No disorientation, confusion, thyroid issues, etc.

Does thyroid have anything to do with energy bychance?

Those people who feel thus victimized could be, in my opinion, simply very strongly attached to being unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed. That is, they want to think of themselves as unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed, and can't bear not to be so, not even for a moment.

All that is needed to f**k someone in the head is that that person be unconditionally honest and unconditionally good-willed. This is why it is so easy to lie to kids. But most people as they gorw up, in time, learn to put conditions on their honesty and good will.

Being very strongly attached to one's own goodness and honesty is a sure way for a person to become mad. Seriously.

Greenberg,
Excellent comment and opinion. Although a little off topic..

Yes I guess we are so used to lies and deceit that when we develop a sense of inner honesty it heightens the lies and deception that surrounds us giving us a sense of persecution which when you think of it could be quite a natural yet very upsetting outcome.

The key is to be able to maintain the inner integrity yet cope with the charade that others present to the world an dindoing so present a charade of our own, therefore becoming no better, in a sense, than those that surround you, except only you know the truth and no one else does. A very lonely place to be for sure and yes can dirve a person to extremes.

Does thyroid have anything to do with energy bychance?
The thyroid is primarilly about communication, voice, conscious knowledge and meaning.

In the context of this thread. And as communication involves the codified exchange of energy, then yes the thryroid glands system has quite a lot to do with "energy".

That is definately weird, because I was told that I had an underactive thyroid :///
They said that some medication would be of use and that I would have to take it for the remainder of my life !!

Is fine I guess. Oh well.
That was some confusing stuff.
So the thyroid is about communicating wtf is a thyroid anyway?
Voice and conscious knowledge?
wow the thyroid must be extremely important, it is like the brain :DD AND MEANING BY GOD what is this thyroid.

Oh so it is simply in the context of this thread.
Confusing man, confusing confusing.
Ok. Done.

That is definately weird, because I was told that I had an underactive thyroid :///
They said that some medication would be of use and that I would have to take it for the remainder of my life !!

Is fine I guess. Oh well.
That was some confusing stuff.
So the thyroid is about communicating wtf is a thyroid anyway?
Voice and conscious knowledge?
wow the thyroid must be extremely important, it is like the brain :DD AND MEANING BY GOD what is this thyroid.

Oh so it is simply in the context of this thread.
Confusing man, confusing confusing.
Ok. Done.
It's sort of like this:
If you are doing a lot of expressing ie. talking about your own truths but no one is listening the thyroid becomes under active [ drained if you like ] it is only when you suppress communicating your truths due to the oppression of others that the thyroid seems to become hyperactive. The frustration of not being able to communicate how you feel properly tends to show up as a thyroid issue both under and over activity.

However this is not fuly supported as yet by descent stats...even by my standards....

The reason why persons that were involved in this psych war were afflicted with hyperactivity of the thyroid was because they could not express how they felt concerning their feelings of being controlled and therefore oppressed. Simply because to do so would place them in a precarious societal position with accusations and suspicion of mental illness and ridicule being directed at them.

Makes complete sense I suppose.

Just finished talking with my estranged wife. [ we have managed to stay friends]

"I feel utterly exhausted but am sleeping better. It feels like I've been on a long trip and now I have just made it home."

Quantum Quack -

Did you and those other afflicted people wear those discs on your right temples?

Quantum Quack -

Did you and those other afflicted people wear those discs on your right temples?

no, I suggest you read the starting post to the thread again.

Good morning QQ.

no, I suggest you read the starting post to the thread again.

I read it and I read through the thread. But I found myself rather confused afterwards.

What exactly is going on?

Good morning Brent. And a fine summer morning it is here in beautiful Melbourne Australia.!

I read it and I read through the thread. But I found myself rather confused afterwards.

What exactly is going on?
Hi, GB. It is not exactly surprising that you should be confused. Probably because the thread seems way to "insane" to be even "insane" [chuckle]

In simple terms it is best to state that I am a person who has extensive expereince in certain areas of psychic phenomena. Very specialised areas I guess and the area in question has been described in what has happened over the last 3 or so weeks with the launch of the challenge against a certain organisation that has been seriously influencing the course of events globally by psychic means for some time.

The way they worked was virtually impossible to detect by an individual and when detected the person was subjected to intense abuse either directly or by using those he or she had contact with.
Each person becoming a "conduit" that would be used by this organisation to destroy that persons credibility and lifestyle.

The disc wearers were sighted by other psychics on three separate occassions and during all confrontations life threats were made if disclosure occurred. The only way they can be sighted is in the form of lucid dream and if only one or two sightings had occurred one could conclude chance or other reasons but when three sightings occur from three separate and distant individuals we have something a little more tangible.
Intimidation and threat to person and property and the people you care about.

The actual mechanisms or physics involved are extremely sophisticated compared to current world understanding of the nature of the universes integrity. That is to say what keeps the universe coherant and constant in it's physics and uniform in it's cause and effects.
The disc wearers were utilising certain aspects of this universal physics to gain power and wealth.

I decided after seeing my family and friends mental and phsyical health deteriorate severely to act by posting this thread knowing full well that the thread would be being materially monitored and I would draw fire and attention from the organisation involved. Thus distracting them from attacking my family and friends and attack me instead directly. Which they did I might add.

They however fortunately do not know just how deep my psychic experence goes and I have been well aware of the physics of universal "constants" for many years. [even though the ability to describe them in English is almost impossible due to the current mind set of the intended audience and also what was the suppression induced by this organisation using mind control techiques]

I am currently waiting I guess to see whether they re-surface as a problem and will be vigilant for some time.

Now I know this all seesm rather sci fi and hard to see it as "real" and this is expected or at least anticipated as if I was in your shoes I woudl think similar. But as the situation was getting so desparate and too many persons were involved I was forced to declare myself to them. And if I am going to do that I might as well make it public and solicit subconscious support as I do so.

It is not important that a person believes, as belief if a poor cousin to truth and if the truth needs defending then it is not a truth worth fighting for.

So I am not concerned with ridicule from my peers but more about getting the job done.
Self determination is a fragile and priceless "right" that all humans have and this organisation had corrupted that "right" in a deliberate and premeditated rather than instinctive manner. People are always infringing on other persons self determination as part of their instinctive psychic natures, as part of their evolution towards peaceful co-existance, but when an organisation interferes with the natural evolution it can ultimately have disasterous consequences.

You guys have no idea just how precious you are to the universe. With out universal support this planet and everything on it would have been vapourised years ago.

Good for you....
I am glad you are happy at your location. I am not very happy at my location. But things will never be different.
Oh well, don't want to plagurize the thread,
Good evening!

Mind control? No way not me.....im totaly in control of every possible decision I make......:bugeye:....right:confused:


T.V. Itself is mind control....and its horribly obvious.... Thats the beauty of fkn with the subliminal conciousness.......no one knows.
The subconsious makes suggestions personal thoughts.......I believe that is why there is so much controversey over testimony given while under hypnosis.

NLP.......neural Linguistic Programing is a great example of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming

If you think you aren't influenced your beyond help....

If you know you can be influenced but you are in control and know when you are being influenced.......thats a pretty nieve thought.

When you tell someone that something they think is intimately their thought is in reality an implanted thought.....they almost fight vigorously against it. Its a form of mental rape or whatever you want to call it........its unbeliveable and horrifying.

Latest news.
Material supporting evidence has been secured....but unable to disclose the details at this time. Seeking permission first....[as the source would reveal the depth of the issue if revealed]

Seeking permission first....[as the source would reveal the depth of the issue if revealed]
If you ask for admin permission, then it's ok with me.

Post away QQ!

Sorry guys, can't post any detail. The evidence is "material" and needs to be protected for legal and security reasons.

There is reason to believe however that the "disc" was used experimentaly for the treatment benefit of children suffering severe "Autism". Used also as a memory enhancer and has been experimented with, over quite a few years over differing applications.

So it is very important not to jump to any immediate conclusions about certain persons, organisations etc that may or may not be implicated in the topic of this thread.
"The disc can also be used purely for defensive reasons. protecting the wearer from mind manipulations."
If for example certain elements of a security organisation [ military, Inteligence etc] became aware of the existance of our "perps" then they would obviously seek to protect their investment in national security]

So you can see that it is getting "next to impossible" to continue posting any detail to this thread until the picture becomes clearer if one wishes to maintian integrity of those issues of national security.

Who r we getting permission "from"?

All Praise Brent'allah for getting permission :D

Latest news:
It appears our main cuplrit has landed in Melbourne and is currently focussing his attention on the lady that first presented the evidence.

Her location is public and she is being psychically isolated for some reason. Maybe just to punish her and me...hmmm ....

I can sense him in the shopping centre but as yet have not had a visual.
So far I have counted over 8 persons [males] under influence.
Shall let you know and maybe provide pics when things evolve a little over the next few days.

Pics, definately pics!

QQ,
The one problem with Mind Control is that when people attempt to identify what they've been made to do they tend to utilise their imagination to fill in all the gaps in the information they don't know. For the most part, they don't know alot, for instance you suggested further back in this thread about a ZPE theory however were you thinking of applying it to a Mind controller in hypothesis? I ask as it's likely you've fallen down your own rabbit hole.

Come on Stryder, I want to see how deep this hole goes :).

What a good close to this thread........

not closed guys as such however, the laughs have yet to begin....

Well come on now, don't hold out on us.

He ain't holdin out on nobody.

What do you expect him to say. He's waitin on all you loser morons to give some response.

...afterall, what would he say. You know. I mean, for fucks sake, the damn thing has already been presented.

...
...
...What do you expect him to say.
...
...
...

"Here is the evidence I promised".

He promised evidence?

I dont think so- that's lousy :p

I was wrong.

I look forard to seeing the evidence as well.

Brent "my word" not needed to be taken, just the experience of recovery will suffice.

Is it over yet?

Has the situation calmed down?

Is there any isolation of the lady presenting the evidence still ?

Still no news on this.

Read the bottom first. (very bottom)


i say
what is this challenge?

/deep...deep stuff :confused:

It is indeed.

Especially due to the fact that neither one person on this site has refuted any of QQs claims; particularly: the ability of the mind control.

First, Crunchy Cat has entirely dismissed QQs claim of mind influencing, or seperating etc. Which, of coure the truth is actually something ENTIRELY different.

QQ himself has titled it only .. i forget "premagination".
The idea seems certainly possible if we can concern any of his thoughts about it.

How is mind doing shit like that possible?

Imagine, as spidergoat says the human mind hasn't been entirely figured out.

Let me ask a huge, very huge question:

Who agrees with this statement?


Anyone?

I thought so. As history unfolds from the beginning of time to the end of time all we have is nothing but a repeating understanding and contemplation of the mind (obvious right?). Of course it's obvious.

My point is only that there is obviously still some dispute to what it is that the mind is capable.

Take physics. This study of physics will take us to a study of the mind, right?

Not to this day has physics studied the mind properly. Not a single god damn bit. It has

1: Never provided insight into the other peoples minds problem.

2: Never decided to explain what it is that causes the mind to die (rather, all of the sources of what such a thing would be like).

Physics is a halfwit science when we look at the current knowledge in it. And the orinazation of it itself, is most lacking (along with every single thing else; organization).


Irregardless it is obvious once again that CCs claim about the capability of the minds is entirely weak and false. Minds would not tear each other open. There are many ypossible senerios.

How do you feel when you think you feel anger in the room?

Imaginge! What is causing that?! Does ANYGBODY know? No. Nobody knows. Nobody will answer and, nobody could answer. That is the only fact that there is.

To expand on this nonsense idea, is only to say that when anger is expanded into the mind that experiences it, a mind could possibly collapse.

Is this possible using physics? To examine? I serously ******* doubt it.

The answer would lie in the fafct that a mind can be distorted and disformed at any possible means by other peopels minds. Thus other peoples minds must exist in some form.

This theory right here is enough to supply QQs evidence that minds can control one another; wills can effect one another; and psychic self determinations are in every form possible.



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Read the bottom first. (very bottom)




It is indeed.

Especially due to the fact that neither one person on this site has refuted any of QQs claims; particularly: the ability of the mind control.

First, Crunchy Cat has entirely dismissed QQs claim of mind influencing, or seperating etc. Which, of coure the truth is actually something ENTIRELY different.

QQ himself has titled it only .. i forget "premagination".
The idea seems certainly possible if we can concern any of his thoughts about it.

How is mind doing shit like that possible?

Imagine, as spidergoat says the human mind hasn't been entirely figured out.

Let me ask a huge, very huge question:

Who agrees with this statement?


Anyone?

I thought so. As history unfolds from the beginning of time to the end of time all we have is nothing but a repeating understanding and contemplation of the mind (obvious right?). Of course it's obvious.

My point is only that there is obviously still some dispute to what it is that the mind is capable.

Take physics. This study of physics will take us to a study of the mind, right?

Not to this day has physics studied the mind properly. Not a single god damn bit. It has

1: Never provided insight into the other peoples minds problem.

2: Never decided to explain what it is that causes the mind to die (rather, all of the sources of what such a thing would be like).

Physics is a halfwit science when we look at the current knowledge in it. And the orinazation of it itself, is most lacking (along with every single thing else; organization).


Irregardless it is obvious once again that CCs claim about the capability of the minds is entirely weak and false. Minds would not tear each other open. There are many ypossible senerios.

How do you feel when you think you feel anger in the room?

Imaginge! What is causing that?! Does ANYGBODY know? No. Nobody knows. Nobody will answer and, nobody could answer. That is the only fact that there is.

To expand on this nonsense idea, is only to say that when anger is expanded into the mind that experiences it, a mind could possibly collapse.

Is this possible using physics? To examine? I serously ******* doubt it.

The answer would lie in the fafct that a mind can be distorted and disformed at any possible means by other peopels minds. Thus other peoples minds must exist in some form.

This theory right here is enough to supply QQs evidence that minds can control one another; wills can effect one another; and psychic self determinations are in every form possible.



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Sisyiphus, I applaud your courage to state what you have.
It was not the purpose of this thread to do anything other than what it has achieved already.
My family and persons directly and some indirectly have since almost fully recovered from their ordeal. My grandson is now relatively healthy "normal" 10 month old, and my bestfriends two children have managed to stay out of hospital with undiagnosable gastro type complaints.
This is all I was primarilly interested in and that is basically it.
As to the evidence to somehow support all this in a sea or ocean of pure skepticism and ridicule I and all of you are going to have to wait.

We have recorded one hospital admission in the USA. The son of a retired USA Admiral. [the ladies father]
I am not going to present hard evidence here because I am uncertain at this stage whether he was being "used" or was actually "protecting"

And on top of that I am not the sort of person to launch an assault even with the benefit of anonimity on the USA governments Military credibility.

The lady in question is under our protection [as well ] even though she remains free to move around with her children.

She her self is not currently well and until we are confident in her security I am not going to entertain you guys just for the sake of it.

As to the situation regarding the lady in the shopping center the "perp" stopped influencing as soon as I published what I did.

"illusion"? Possibly. We are afterall dealing with masters of illusion.

So I am sorry CC you can snigger as much as you like and "no offence taken" but you are going to have to wait until the situation is totally stable and sustainably so. Re-emergence of the threat is still possible.

Sisymus is of course quite right when he mentions the limitaions of scientific understanding. The uncertainty principle proves this if I am not mistaken [ how the observer effects the observed]

Maybe CC and other serious skeptics would like to address the issue of how an observer can effect the results of "electron"? movement through a slit.
or even fully explain Cerenkov Radiation from a nuclear reactor?

And if he and they can't then I wait and snigger also....[ no offense implied]

You shall also note the immediate withdrawal from further comment by Spidergoat immediately after describing the disc in a post some pages back.
Possibly Spider goat woud like to explain what he knows about this disc and it's use in mind management experiments with children with autism, epilepsy and other such issues.

Maybe there is hard eveidence out there to show and prove th euse of similar devices even though the "how" they work is yet to be determined by the global scientific community.

You shall also note the immediate withdrawal from further comment by Spidergoat immediately after describing the disc in a post some pages back.
Possibly Spider goat woud like to explain what he knows about this disc and it's use in mind management experiments with children with autism, epilepsy and other such issues.

Maybe there is hard eveidence out there to show and prove th euse of similar devices even though the "how" they work is yet to be determined by the global scientific community.


:bravo:

[edit: sisyphus is existabrent... I hate that name]
As you often say,

"fuck the scientific community"
pardon

you say

"f*ck em!"

;)

I wouldn't quite say that or if I did, I did it out of sheer frustration and apologise accordingly.

I actually have a great deal of respect for the scientific community. Come a long way since "the earth was flat." [ mind you I hope they will one day explain how the Earth suddenly became a spherical shape after thousands of years of being flat:D]

Which is what they are going to have to when they prove the non-existance of our mythical photon.....hmmmmm

I will snigger at them for you for they can't prove jack shit.

[edit: sisyphus is existabrent... I hate that name]
So Super Man disguised as Clark Kent finally reveals what and who he is.... and loses any ability to do either role.:)

So I am sorry CC you can snigger as much as you like and "no offence taken" but you are going to have to wait until the situation is totally stable and sustainably so. Re-emergence of the threat is still possible.

You know that without evidence there's no truth value. If I were a betting man, I would bet we're never going to see the evidence... which is a shame because I went through the trouble of falsifying your associations early on by supplying feedback about your website.


Maybe CC and other serious skeptics would like to address the issue of how an observer can effect the results of "electron"? movement through a slit.
or even fully explain Cerenkov Radiation from a nuclear reactor?

An object that can accept information from another object can collapse a Schrödinger wave if it has a relationship with it; thus, forcing a probability to be realized. The strength of the relationship determines when / if the collapse will actually occur (btw an observer in this scenario does not imply consciousness... a block of cheese is an observer for example).

Čerenkov radiation is an EM burst released when a charged particle moves through an insulator at a speed faster than light.

[edit: sisyphus is existabrent... I hate that name]
So Super Man disguised as Clark Kent finally reveals what and who he is.... and loses any ability to do either role.:)

I have to try really hard to avoid addressing him as Sissy.:poke:

Shut up CC.
I will stand up to you.

A block of cheese is not an observer... and besides, your entire post falls by the hand of mine....

You are on sissy court now CC; so stand up or shut up.

[edit: sisyphus is existabrent... I hate that name]
So Super Man disguised as Clark Kent finally reveals what and who he is.... and loses any ability to do either role.:)

Oh well.

It's sissy court now.

CC is a horrible basketball player.

And so is:
sarkus,
etc,
glaucon,
etc,
lightgigantic,
etc,

there is not one member on sciforums who can shoot on sissy court.

You know that without evidence there's no truth value. If I were a betting man, I would bet we're never going to see the evidence... which is a shame because I went through the trouble of falsifying your associations early on by supplying feedback about your website.

There is entire truth value.

baseless assertion.

You will lose the bet.
Now. Hand over my ration.

Falsifying your associations is not sissycourt.
Not one of his comments have been ebbliberated. Not one. And I don't reckon you have the balls to shoot this hoop, CC.

And I even say that on light ground, so bring it on, 3 points.

An object that can accept information from another object can collapse a Schrödinger wave if it has a relationship with it; thus, forcing a probability to be realized. The strength of the relationship determines when / if the collapse will actually occur (btw an observer in this scenario does not imply consciousness... a block of cheese is an observer for example).

Čerenkov radiation is an EM burst released when a charged particle moves through an insulator at a speed faster than light.

All sissy court is doing is making further discussion applicable to present standards of what QQ is discussing.

Waves traveling through space is not going to be dismissed so easily.
It's possible,
because,
you haven't disproved any thing we are addressing currently (all you will do, is say it is false).

Which is the same thing as saying the whole premise is lost.

Which sadly for you CC, ... is not the case.

You haven't shot a single basket yet... where are you aiming?

You know that without evidence there's no truth value. If I were a betting man, I would bet we're never going to see the evidence... which is a shame because I went through the trouble of falsifying your associations early on by supplying feedback about your website.
and I stated amazement that you actually managed to do so....so maybe you would like to comment on the merit of the concept and not just the asthetics. In other words did you look at what the web site was actually supopsed to do and hwo it makes it's money? [ do you recall because the web site is under going a CMS conversion currently and not a lot of info is published now]

Evidence is only needed if you wish to prove to someone with out the experience that that something actually occurred. If you don't need to prove anything, given that the thread was addressed to those that were monitoring and not to any one else, then I only have your ridicule to deal with....which I might add is no problemo.... however I understand your point and actually agree with it....



An object that can accept information from another object can collapse a Schrödinger wave if it has a relationship with it; thus, forcing a probability to be realized. The strength of the relationship determines when / if the collapse will actually occur (btw an observer in this scenario does not imply consciousness... a block of cheese is an observer for example).

Čerenkov radiation is an EM burst released when a charged particle moves through an insulator at a speed faster than light.

I suppose you have hard eveidence that proves conclusively that theory being applied to explain something that can not be witnessed except by effect is not totally and utterly hog wash?

Also how much faster than the speed of light has our charged article travelling at? And given special relativity doesn't that put our partical behind us in time? [ in the past and not the present] and if it is in the [ our ] past how is it we can observe it's colour when we are in the present.

"hey man...that blue glow is actually happening yesterday or last year or last century or even a million years ago....talk about introspective hindsight....ha"
also any ideas why it is that particular shade of blue and not purple or red or green?

Shut up CC.
I will stand up to you.

A block of cheese is not an observer... and besides, your entire post falls by the hand of mine....

You are on sissy court now CC; so stand up or shut up.

In information theory, an observer is any system which receives information from an object. Sorry Brent, but sissy court is out of its league when up against reality, science, and education.

You scored a half pointer :p

What a shitty throw!!!

CC, that's pathetic, it is obvious what I was addressing.

now Explain please how your post (other than this nonsense) is true. You can't.

Score chart next post.
And, your education is hogwash. I don't give a rats ass about what it is about physics that ******* has anything to do with information theory. Makes little sense to me, and I would dare to say also that it has little impact on too much of anything.

and I stated amazement that you actually managed to do so....so maybe you would like to comment on the merit of the concept and not just the asthetics.

Well to put it simply, the merit was demonstrating a relationship as being false.


In other words did you look at what the web site was actually supopsed to do and hwo it makes it's money? [ do you recall because the web site is under going a CMS conversion currently and not a lot of info is published now]

It looked like a place where businesses could advertize their services in a business and consumer community setting from what I remember. The cashflow appeared to be a result of subscription.


Evidence is only needed if you wish to prove to someone with out the experience that that something actually occurred. If you don't need to prove anything, given that the thread was addressed to those that were monitoring and not to any one else, then I only have your ridicule to deal with....which I might add is no problemo.... however I understand your point and actually agree with it....

Well that paragraph just went full circle :). I agree with everything that was stated and would also point out that there was at least one committment to providing evidence; hence, I now have expectations.



I suppose you have hard eveidence that proves conclusively that theory being applied to explain something that can not be witnessed except by effect is not totally and utterly hog wash?

Nope, not at all. Additionally, theories tend to make alot of predictions about other related causes / effects and if they pan out as true it strengthens the truth value of the theory. But you know this already :).


Also how much faster than the speed of light has our charged article travelling at?

Don't know. C + 1 should be sufficient.


And given special relativity doesn't that put our partical behind us in time? [ in the past and not the present] and if it is in the [ our ] past how is it we can observe it's colour when we are in the present.

My understanding is that the limit C only applies to a vaccum. Once mediums are introduced (such as insulators, gas, etc.), C can be exceeded.

Sissy Court Score Chart
Keeping Score (2 players so far):

Sysiphus: 2

Crunchy Cat: 1/2

In information theory, an observer is any system which receives information from an object. Sorry Brent, but sissy court is out of its league when up against reality, science, and education.
but CC can't you see the error in rational happening here?

The cheese maybe considered the observer yes?
What about the plate the cheese is sitting on? yes?

What about teh stand that is holding the slitted plate up? yes?
What about the room tha the expereimnet is being performed in? yes?

So tell me how can you test without an observer?
And if the answer is you can't then how the hell is the particle changing when you so called do?
If everything is an observer the you would not see any change according to what you have stated. yes?

The very air the particle travels through is an observer by this standard...sheesh!!

Well that paragraph just went full circle . I agree with everything that was stated and would also point out that there was at least one committment to providing evidence; hence, I now have expectations.

PLease rovide quotes that actually state that evidence will definitely be presented.

BTW it will be....so I wont waste your time.

"conclusively states:
evidence to support the global use of mind control techiques in the context discussed [ ie the threat to my family and others] will be provided if humanly possble to this forum. [ disclaimer: assuming an ongoing internet connection , an available library or internet cafe, in case that connection fails, staying alive long enough and other extreme global weather patterns:)]

and it will be provided to the general media as well

You scored a half pointer :p
...
...

now Explain please how your post (other than this nonsense) is true. You can't.

...
...
.

Shine a laser on a slice of cheese and look at it from the other side. If it is exclusively penetrating the cheese while its not penetrating the rest of the environment with equal intensity then the cheese collapsed the wave.

If you had noticed... cc... I said "besides this nonsense."

*bows*

but CC can't you see the error in rational happening here?

The cheese maybe considered the observer yes?

Yep.


What about the plate the cheese is sitting on? yes?

Possibly.


What about teh stand that is holding the slitted plate up? yes?

Another possibility.


What about the room tha the expereimnet is being performed in? yes?

And yet another possibility.


So tell me how can you test without an observer?

You can't of course. You can however choose the observer's strength which of course determines if an observer (or system of observers) are geared to observe waves or particles. After all, if all observers caused collapse then we would never be able to observe waves in a double slit experiment (for example).


And if the answer is you can't then how the hell is the particle changing when you so called do?
If everything is an observer the you would not see any change according to what you have stated. yes?

The very air the particle travels through is an observer by this standard...sheesh!!

Hehe, I guess my last response kind of invalidated this text.

PLease rovide quotes that actually state that evidence will definitely be presented.

BTW it will be....so I wont waste your time.

"conclusively states:
evidence to support the global use of mind control techiques in the context discussed [ ie the threat to my family and others] will be provided if humanly possble to this forum. [ disclaimer: assuming an ongoing internet connection , an available library or internet cafe, in case that connection fails, staying alive long enough and other extreme global weather patterns:)]

and it will be provided to the general media as well

I love it when you do the work for me :).

If I don't get to bed, I lose.

So it is half time.

Good night QQ, good night, CC.

Sissy court is fair game to everyone. But the rules are that everyone loses except sisyphus... So... I win. Good tries, though, cc, but your reasoning is flawed compared to the might of the grand SISYPHUS.

Good night folks, that's all she wrote ;)

You can't of course. You can however choose the observer's strength which of course determines if an observer (or system of observers) are geared to observe waves or particles. After all, if all observers caused collapse then we would never be able to observe waves in a double slit experiment (for example).

Exactly!!!!
and well done you see my point....:)



Hehe, I guess my last response kind of invalidated this text.
exactly the opposite....it only proves it....

so tell me ...what observer do you choose, swiss, chedar