9/11 Poll

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Giambattista, Sep 26, 2010.

?

What do you believe about 9/11 and its causes?

  1. I believe the official government version of 9/11.

    5 vote(s)
    41.7%
  2. Willful incompetence/ignorance for strategic purposes.

    2 vote(s)
    16.7%
  3. Willful ignorance with inside assistance to ensure success.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. It was planned and executed by secret group(US/Mossad/other). Bin Laden/Al Qaeda is scapegoat.

    3 vote(s)
    25.0%
  5. Other???

    2 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,878
    Could some sweet and tender moderator merge this with the 911 coverup thread?
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,878
    I tried to make them as succinct and reflective of the various opinions out there that I could.
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    33,264
    I think that the arms dealers got together to plan this event to create more wars and conflicts for them to make even more money. The only ones that actually make any money on wars are the arms dealers and they created these wars to insure their incomes are always going up , up and away! .

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,878
    Well, that would be option 4. You are more than welcome to be the first vote.

    Apparently there is also some money making scheme regarding veterans life and health insurance.

    Hint: it isn't the vets who make that money.
     
  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    33,264
    While I understand what you say, I look at where all of the BIG money goes and that's for arms and equipment to supply the war machine of ANY country while other needs of those countries aren't met.
     
  9. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,878
    Sh*t! That's an understatement! The United States is descending into the Pit of Doom as we speak, but KBR seems to get away with ripping off the Treasury with ridiculous bills for stupid stuff like laundry. What was it? $100 per load of wash???

    Don't forget it's not just arms dealers. The entire Defense/Security contracting behemoth is spawning more of its little demonic entities at a rapid pace since 911. Arms dealers alone are not capable of getting away with planning terror and wars. That requires collusion on many levels and of key individuals and groups.

    The Homeland Security state and its apparatus is just as bloated and as expensive as the other facets of this machine.

    Not to mention the costs to civil liberties.
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    33,264
    Yes, just as Russia was eaten alive by its corrupt military /industrial complex , so to is America as I see it happening as you state.
     
  11. ScaryMonster I’m the whispered word. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,074
    There was Islamic Terrorism before September 11, 2001 and terrorism of other kinds before and after radical Muslims took to it. So why did that particular day make a difference? And in the case of most people, for whom life went on afterwards much as it did before, did it make a difference?
    Yes it did. New York, capitalism’s citadel, the city that has a better claim then any other to being the capital of the world, was shown to be vulnerable.
    And the attacks initiated a wave of terrorism in other places – Madrid, Bali and London to name a few –not to mention attempts to sabotage planes in flight. As a result, we live differently now. But the bigger change is in the way we think.
    It’s only small, but its there. Catching a plane, train or bus now seems a bit more risky then it used to be. There are the same minute dangers from hooligans who seem to think public spaces give permission for oafish behavior.
    But now there is the minutest, only slightly bigger than the odds chance you’ll win a lottery chance you’ll get caught in a terrorist outrage.
    So we queue to be X-rayed before flights or entering some public buildings. And we eye off other passengers bags, wondering about their contents. Because of other bombing attempts, some liquids are banned on planes, too. And bridges have security guards on them now, in case you know who does something a bit you know what. Don’t panic, though Security cameras have spread throughout cites, along with loudspeakers on city street corners, so we can be yelled at en masse if a bomb goes off. Stay calm or else.

    What’s often forgotten now, after George W Bush and all his astonishing acts, is how most of the world united around the US immediately after September 11, 2001. The day after the attacks, French newspaper Le Monde famously declared, “Nous sommes tous Americans” – “We all are Americans”. On September 14, a German warship, the Lutens, flew the Stars and Stripes and saluted the crew of the USS Winston S Churchill while displaying a sign that read “We stand by you”.
    They were just straws in the wind, but the wind blowing in Washington’s favor was strong in those days. It represented a substantial change in a world in which anti- American sentiment was common.

    Washington, unfortunately, was incapable of understanding it, or responding to it appropriately. The lesson the world learnt from this and subsequent events – the Iraq war, in particular – is that Washington can be remarkably slow on the uptake. Quick to anger, certainly, at so brazen an outrage, and immensely powerful in a conventional way, but in other respects blind, weak, ignorant and, often enough stupid, too.

    Mistake 1:
    The whole idea of a war on terror, as if terrorism were an enemy, not a tactic. It’s like declaring wars on anger or war on politics: un-winnable, and never ending.

    Mistake 2:
    The Iraq war, which opened a second front against a secular regime that not only had nothing to do with September 11’s religious maniacs, but which had spent, in fact, a good deal of time torturing to death similarly minded religious maniacs of it’s own. The US then alienated most of Iraqs population through ineptitude, and needlessly upset the balance of power in the Middle East by failing to rebuild it as a nation.

    Mistake 3:
    Failing to turn goodwill towards the West to its advantage by spurning former friends and the United Nations in order to form the coalition of the willing.

    Mistake 4:
    Leaving the job half-done in Afghanistan for eight years until domestic support in the US for involvement there had petered out, and a real enemy “The Taliban” that actually had a real connection to the September 11 attacks had regrouped.

    Coincidentally, a ways into this interminable war, the US economy seized up and plunged into recession. As it builds a vast, labyrinthine domestic and overseas security apparatus in response to the new enemy it faces, the US has found itself, if not struggling, then at least wondering if its financial underpinnings are as strong as it had imagined.

    Anti- Americanism is a cliché in Non-Western countries an unthinking reaction of the powerless to the powerful – and a power, in America’s case, that is relatively benign. (okay, what would you prefer to American hegemony? Chinese? Russian? Iranian?)
    But the US is not beyond criticism – and in this instance it seems as if Uncle Sam, challenged by a single outrageous act, responded not with strength and agility but by taking a great deal of time and effort to tie his own shoelaces together.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2010
  12. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,707
    I wouldn't go so far as to say that I believe every aspect of the official government story, but I think that it's probably far more accurate than conspiracy theories about Bush or Jewish bankers or whatever.
     

Share This Page