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hypewaders 08-05-06, 10:05 PM From botched and failing interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq to the descent into Israel's US-enabled tantrum in Lebanon, we can clearly see that there has never in history been greater incitement for the next round of Islamist revolutions in the Mideast, and motivation for major economic disruptions in the Mideast.
Americans as a whole pay scant attention to death, suffering and escalations abroad. Yet thousands of angry, capable and well-funded people are certainly at work preparing the next operations that will involve the deaths of Americans in our own streets. It has been well proven what can predictably capture the attention of the American public, and inspire us to great recklessness. So like the next big hit from Hollywood, the next 9-11 is coming soon.
This cycle is going to continue until there is a significant change in the (thus-far) sheltered collective American psyche. We are the sole hyperpower ignorantly playing along in this ridiculous but escalating global brawl, and we are the sole nation that can stop this spiral into a global catastrophe by taking a completely new approach.
Here's fervently hoping that a majority of Americans will soon begin to understand the pattern: We are being provoked with the specific purpose of causing us to run our country over a political and economic cliff. This strategy looks very promising for the many who are seeking to cheaply overturn the entire world's economic and political applecart, so that new players can pick up the reins of power.
I think it would do us very much good to explore alternatives to the kind of reactions that present leadership conjured after our first bloody wake-up this century. They were wrong. They are making things much worse. We had better all think fast, and think together, because the next blow is coming.
Microzoft 08-07-06, 11:16 AM I think that throughout time, there have been various incitements for an Islamic revolution. I don’t think ever before this has taken place while a single superpower
was infatuated so fanatically with been the savior.
It is hard to be optimistic, ….but the prospects shows that we are on a one way street that keeps getting narrower and narrower.
But the masses… proportionally to the popular level of intelligent in this forums shows that we will only know it when it hit us!
G. F. Schleebenhorst 08-07-06, 11:29 AM Hyperpower my arse. You're barely a superpower.
crazy151drinker 08-07-06, 12:48 PM Sounds like someone is butt hurt...
G. F. Schleebenhorst 08-07-06, 01:38 PM No, it sounds like more trumpet blowing from the wannabe empire that hasn't even got an empire.
The Devil Inside 08-07-06, 01:42 PM Hyperpower my arse. You're barely a superpower.
any country that can singlehandedly destroy the infrastructure of a nation the size of iraq in less than 3 weeks qualifies as a superpower to me.
regardless of how right or wrong it is, you cannot deny the economic and military influence the united states flexes on a global scale.
you sound like a case of sour grapes.
DJ Erock 08-07-06, 01:45 PM Lets just hope they keep flying planes into building, not realizing that there has to be some inside work too. That way none of them will fall down, and it will be a relatively simple fit out for reparations.
G. F. Schleebenhorst 08-07-06, 01:50 PM any country that can singlehandedly destroy the infrastructure of a nation the size of iraq in less than 3 weeks qualifies as a superpower to me.
regardless of how right or wrong it is, you cannot deny the economic and military influence the united states flexes on a global scale.
you sound like a case of sour grapes.
They can destroy it, sure, but can they rebuild it? Nope. One hour of electricity per day in Baghdad? Thanks america
Being a superpower involves more than just "blowin' things up real fast".
any country that can singlehandedly destroy the infrastructure of a nation the size of iraq in less than 3 weeks qualifies as a superpower to me.
Wouldn't that make any country with a handful of nukes a superpower?
The US may currently have the most advanced military ... but at some point I suspect China will overtake it.
G. F. Schleebenhorst 08-07-06, 03:14 PM Exactly....I am sure there are some tiny European countries that could level every major city in some country on the other side of the world, but that alone doesn't make them a superpower.
The Devil Inside 08-07-06, 04:09 PM doesnt it?
and i also mentioned economics. it is interesting that this point has been ignored.
this is one nation we are talking about. not a coalition. one nation.
G. F. Schleebenhorst 08-07-06, 04:17 PM Am I supposed to be impressed?
Empires spread culture. The US spreads anti-culture and immorality. You are uncivilising the world.
50 cent CDs. Fergie. Wow. They'll remember that in five hundred years, won't they?
Fraggle Rocker 08-07-06, 04:51 PM They will remember jazz and will probably still be playing some new form of it if rock and roll ever dies off. They will certainly remember the Beatles, and Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" will probably still be on the Billboard Top 200. Neither of those would exist if we hadn't invented rock and roll. They will remember polio vaccine and female-controlled contraception. They will remember computers. They will remember freedom of speech.
You may not like the American music of this decade so excuuuuuse us if we're in a slump. We've certainly produced some memorable music in the past and we've done just fine in other media such as film, literature, and painting.
As for "morality," the only constant that is fundamental to the survival of civilization is the proscription against killing, and over the course of our existence we've been no worse on that score than most nations and considerably better than some of the other powerful ones. Every other "moral" issue turns out not to be absolute and varies from era to era and place to place with no correlation to the state of civilization. Marriage, drugs, sexuality, childrearing, democracy. Humans have gone every which way on all of those and had both good and bad results.
When people say "morality" they often mean "religion," creating an oxymoron. There has been no more constant and frightening threat to the survival of civilization than the Abrahamic religions, for which America can not only not be blamed but is not even a world leader.
In this context, iconoclasm and secularity are arguably the most "moral" measures of a society next to respect for life, and we get gold stars in both of them. Particularly if our music and other cultural artifacts are subversively exporting them to the less enlightened corners of the earth.
Here's fervently hoping that a majority of Americans will soon begin to understand the pattern: We are being provoked with the specific purpose of causing us to run our country over a political and economic cliff....We had better all think fast, and think together, because the next blow is coming.
Yes, what worked for al-Qaeda on 9-11 worked very well for Hezb'Allah in Lebanon. Provoke a major power into stepping into a well-prepared and poorly-understood quagmire.
The relative success of the forces fighting Israel in Lebanon can only embolden the other players (principally Iran and Syria) to ratchet up the pressure until either Israel or the U.S. lashes out, swinging blindly like an aging heavyweight with cuts over both eyes. It could come in gradual steps, a bombing here, an assassination there. Or it could come as an attack on shipping. An Exocet missile into a tanker, a tourist cruise liner, or a naval vessel would do it.
G. F. Schleebenhorst 08-07-06, 05:11 PM They will remember jazz and will probably still be playing some new form of it if rock and roll ever dies off. They will certainly remember the Beatles, and Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" will probably still be on the Billboard Top 200. Neither of those would exist if we hadn't invented rock and roll. They will remember polio vaccine and female-controlled contraception. They will remember computers. They will remember freedom of speech.
Rock and roll wouldn't have happened without slavery. I guess that makes it a good thing?
Computers were not invented by america. There might be a lot of american-made computers around today, and, true, the technology to make the first modern electronic computers was american, but if anyone remembers computers they will remember the people who first invented them and the interesting stories that surround their invention....Charles Babbage, Bletchley Park etc....but like everything else, you yanks take someone else's food, put it in a bun, and call it american, or of course flat out lie and try to change history...U-571 anyone? Alexander Graham Bell, for example, didn't even have an american passport when he invented the telephone. He was a Scot and a Scot only back then, and nowadays you all call him american. I think you did that with john logie baird too.
Like I said, you take someone else's food, put it in a bun, and call it american.
american freedom of speech is something the rest of the world regards as a joke with the amount of hypocrisy that surrounds it. There are many countries with more freedom of speech than in yankmerica and you don't hear them trumpetting about it all fucking day.
leopold99 08-07-06, 05:24 PM Yet thousands of angry, capable and well-funded people are certainly at work preparing the next operations that will involve the deaths of Americans in our own streets.
seems to me they already are.
Blackrain 08-07-06, 05:30 PM Am I supposed to be impressed?
Empires spread culture. The US spreads anti-culture and immorality. You are uncivilising the world.
50 cent CDs. Fergie. Wow. They'll remember that in five hundred years, won't they?
It's called the Free Market G.F. Don't Blame America for the ENTIRE world wanting to buy a 50 cent album. America tried it's hardest to bury Rap Music under the rug. But the Free Market didn't agree. Rap is no different then any other form of entertainment. It's selling Blood, Murder and Death. Just like Ozzy Osbourne, Slayer, Braveheart, Terminator, Silence of Lambs, Star "Wars". Humans are entertained by Violence. The diffference in the violence we like is cultural. Whites do it on Celluloid, so it's acceptable. Blacks do it on CD's, and it's immoral. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Because at the end of the day, people listen to, and want to see Blood, Murder and Death, over Birds, Violins, and Flowers. Humans are the most ferocious killers this planet has ever known. To judge ones culture, all one has to do is look at the cultures Art.
G. F. Schleebenhorst 08-07-06, 05:34 PM Actually rap is mainly just rhythmical bragging over either someone else's music or a keyboard demo track.
The Devil Inside 08-07-06, 05:36 PM a question:
have you ever spent more than 6 months at a stretch in america, whitey?
Blackrain 08-07-06, 07:37 PM Actually rap is mainly just rhythmical bragging over either someone else's music or a keyboard demo track.
You mean the only Rap Music you know. There's plenty of Producers Like Dr. Dre, Havoc, Eminem, RZA, DJ premier, Swiss Beats, that compose original music. And all rap isn't bragging, there's gangsta rap, love rap, conscience rap, scientifical rap, etc. It's just that the media focuses on the shock value of gangsta rap because it increases ratings in every single form of media.
crazy151drinker 08-07-06, 08:11 PM Amazing. America sucks yet somehow we manage to have the Worlds most powerfull Military and the #1 enconomy. Sounds like a case of penis envy...
G. F. Schleebenhorst 08-07-06, 08:15 PM You have the "world's most powerful military" and you're still getting your asses kicked by peasants with AK47s.
Your economy is based on a literally worthless currency.
leopold99 08-07-06, 08:20 PM . . . at the end of the day, people listen to, and want to see Blood, Murder and Death, . . .
speak for yourself blackrain.
i think murder and death are both DISGUSTING.
Blackrain 08-07-06, 08:43 PM speak for yourself blackrain.
i think murder and death are both DISGUSTING.
No I don't, I speak for the Masses. Lets take a look at some of the movies that have gained critical acclaim across the WORLD.
Braveheart, Best Picture
Saving Private Ryan, Best Picture
Silence of the Lambs, Best Picture,
Best Actor, Denzel Washington, for playing a muderous Renegade Cop
Best Actor, Anthony Hopkins, for a playing a muderous psychotic serial killer
Platoon, Best Picture, for showing the bloody horrors of the vietman war
Gladiator, Best Picture, for showing the horrors of Ancient Rome
I can go on, yeah you may not like these movies, but 90% of the poplulation sure does. You're the exception LEO, not the RULE!
And look how our American Leaders, or other World Leaders handle conflicts. By butchering the civilian populations until their Government submits. Human beings are no better then a virus. Because we kill ALL weaker organisims. The only thing that's changed is the reason for which we commit these attrocities. But at the end of the day, thousands of people will be murderd today before Sundown. We are a species of Death.
Human beings are no better then a virus. Because we kill ALL weaker organisims.
You say that and don't even put The Matrix in your list? Bah!
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Schleebenhorst, your anger is well found but foul placed. The americans are no worse than any other human being on the planet. And they have achived a lot. And knowledge should be both shared and assimilated. It's not their world if the rest of the world chooses not to change their point of view, and lose pace.
And US is no empire. YET. Empire requires an imperator, so to speak. And to achive this, US just needs to make enough enemies that democracy can be scraped along with freedom of speech in National Security. Let's just say that I'm worried..
Fraggle Rocker 08-08-06, 06:20 PM Rock and roll wouldn't have happened without slavery. I guess that makes it a good thing?No. Rock and roll is a good thing despite slavery. No hay mal que por bien no venga, as Gloria Estefan says. If something bad has already happened there's not only nothing wrong with extracting the good from it, but it's karmic.Computers were not invented by america. There might be a lot of american-made computers around today, and, true, the technology to make the first modern electronic computers was american, but if anyone remembers computers they will remember the people who first invented them and the interesting stories that surround their invention....Charles Babbage, Bletchley Park etc....but like everything else, you yanks take someone else's food, put it in a bun, and call it american, or of course flat out lie and try to change history...U-571 anyone? Alexander Graham Bell, for example, didn't even have an american passport when he invented the telephone. He was a Scot and a Scot only back then, and nowadays you all call him american. I think you did that with john logie baird too.We're not quite so ignorant of history. We have a chain of computer stores called Boole and Babbage. John Logie Baird is not exactly a well-known name in America but the story is. We know that the first working prototype of a televised program did not take place in America. By the way, we also know that Alexander Graham Bell did not invent the telephone, he just got his patent application in to the government office a little earlier than than Elisha Gray. Antonio Meucci on the other hand is forgotten, after driving a Fiat or riding a Ducati no American can believe that Italian technology might actually work.Like I said, you take someone else's food, put it in a bun, and call it american.Excuse me, but the working definition of "creativity" is to take two or more existing things and put them together in a new way. In some cases such as Bell, one of those 'things" is the inventor and the other is an environment that he finds inspiring. In the case of the computer, one of those things was an abstract idea with excruciatingly limited practical application and the other was electronics.
Unless you're a god you cannot actually "create" anything. At the most decompositional level all you're doing is rearranging existing atoms. :)american freedom of speech is something the rest of the world regards as a joke with the amount of hypocrisy that surrounds it. There are many countries with more freedom of speech than in yankmerica and you don't hear them trumpetting about it all fucking day.So we like to trumpet. Every nation's character has a few attributes that grate on outsiders.
The Devil Inside 08-08-06, 06:32 PM belgians are incessant complainers and shifty backstabbing fuckers.
that doesnt mean i hate the whole nation.
Microzoft 08-09-06, 06:21 AM Just as I predicted at the beginning, …..this forum is an exact reflection of the masses. :m:
From the tensions pulling towards an Islamic revolution we drifted to military gadgets between us and China, to jazz and pop music, to prostitution as a fundamental survival of civilization, to originality of inventions, to the rapping RAP, to Hollywood’s world recognition, ….to even calling Belgium a nation!
I wouldn’t be surprise if it develops further into Michael Jackson’s underwear!
Why you miserable souls even bother to squeeze your brains. :p
hypewaders 08-09-06, 07:50 PM Many want desperately not to talk or think about this topic. Including our "protectors".
Schleebenhorst's posts seem to bait the Americans into describing what's good about their country.
Rock and roll wouldn't have happened without slavery. I guess that makes it a good thing?
Hi Schleebenhorst,
No, it wouldnt have happended w\out electricity.
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