View Full Version : 666 = DCLXVI (merely first 6 roman numerals in order)


Yamayama
05-09-04, 05:58 PM
DCLXVI = 666

Just to point out that the no. 666 is actually DCLXVI in roman numerals, and that D,C,L,X,V and I, in turn, are the first six symbols in the roman numerical system in reverse order (i.e. I, V, X, L, C and D backwards). It's like us writing 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,0, and then someone coming along to add them all up to get 45!

John (apparently) wrote the book of Revelation in Greek, but I think he quite likely used the Roman system for numbers (…historians feel free to correct me…), as, although the Greeks did have their own numeral system for a while, they were under Roman rule at John's time (Arabic/Indian numerals weren't in use in that region until centuries later).

Perhaps its not the number itself that's significant, but the fact that it can be represented by numbers. And what can be represented by numbers? Wealth of course, in the form of money!
'No one might be able to buy or sell unless they had the mark of the beast (...non-monetary wealth...) or the number corresponding to his name (...monetary wealth...).' (Rev 13.17)

I'm only guessing that the author was using the term to represent wealth, but I do think it's quite likely that he actually wrote DCLXVI

Opinions anyone?

P.S. Apparently χξς is used in some (Greek) versions, but I presume that these are not based on the original Greek.

P.S.S. I'm not a religionist; merely an intrigued observer.

Lemming3k
05-09-04, 07:01 PM
Wasnt the number of the beast actually 999 and it got misread in an upsidedown inscription or something? Cant remember where i heard that just thought i'd mention it see if it gets a response.
Yamayama thats rather interesting, i'd never noticed it before, perhaps roman numerals were the first thing that came to mind when he was writing and he just decided to reverse them so not to make it too obvious.

Neildo
05-09-04, 07:09 PM
Yep, interesting. *grins*

- N

Halcyon
05-09-04, 07:50 PM
The number was actually 616. Mistranslation. A shame it's still widely disseminated as such.

Michael
05-09-04, 07:50 PM
Jesus Christ, Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0835606961/qid=1084149785/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/103-9653837-3591838?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

"The Magic Square of the Sun"

6 32 3 34 35 1
7 11 27 28 8 30
19 14 16 15 23 24
18 20 22 21 17 13
25 29 10 9 26 12
36 5 33 4 2 31

The 6 x 6 magic square of the Sun contains the first 36 numbers arranged in such a fashion so that each line of numbers, whether added horizontally, vertically or diagonally from corner to corner, will yield the "solar number" 111. The entire magic square therefore equals 666, a number which was significant to early Christian mystics. In Hebrew Kabbalah, the names of the intelligence of the Sun and the Spirit of the Sun were designed to equal 111 and 666 respectively. Like 888, 666 is an important musical number, for .666 is the ratio of the perfect fifth, the most powerful harmonic interval

Michael
05-09-04, 07:53 PM
The number was actually 616. Mistranslation. A shame it's still widely disseminated as such.Where did you read that? According to David Fideler, 666 is simply related to harmonic theory.

Halcyon
05-09-04, 07:57 PM
oh yeah, michael, the perfect fifth is a PRIME ratio: 3/2. Anyone want to take stab at what it comes out to? (It's certainly not .666)

Halcyon
05-09-04, 08:01 PM
Where did you read that? According to David Fideler, 666 is simply related to harmonic theory.

I was refering to the usage of the number in the bible. I got my information from: "The Faith: a History of Christianity," By Brian Moynahan

Michael
05-09-04, 08:32 PM
oh yeah, michael, the perfect fifth is a PRIME ratio: 3/2. Anyone want to take stab at what it comes out to? (It's certainly not .666)Well, perhaps that's how we write ratios today using the standard Arabic numeral system. Anyway, 2/3 is .66666666666666... which is obviously the connection.

For me, I personally can’t say one way or another as I can’t read ancient text. However, I think it’s a fair call to suggest that Christianity is to some extent grounded in pagan writings and ritual and those mystics (such a Pythagoreans) wove numerology and geometry into their explanations of the world. Not only are Pythagoreans famous for their mathematical proofs but also for mathematical modeling of Harmonics and as such I find it plausible that something such as 666 or 111 or 888 or many other important numbers made there way into the later Christian religious themes.

Whether it’s true or not, who knows, but the arguments for pagan numerological influxes into Christianity are resilient.

Oxygen
05-09-04, 11:45 PM
Yamayama

Completely off subject here. Where did you get your screen name from? Have you ever heard of an old song called "The Yamayama Man?" I just thought it was interesting to see your name since I was just humming that tune to myself a few moments before I saw it.

Yamayama
05-10-04, 07:19 AM
Wasnt the number of the beast actually 999 and it got misread in an upsidedown inscription or something? Cant remember where i heard that just thought i'd mention it see if it gets a response.

Don't remember hearing that before Lemming3k; you could be right though.


thats rather interesting, i'd never noticed it before, perhaps roman numerals were the first thing that came to mind when he was writing and he just decided to reverse them so not to make it too obvious.

I don't think he need have necessarily reversed them: he could have written I, V, X, L, C, D - which when added up, would come to 666.

Someone has told me that it was written as χξς (chi xi stigma) in the original greek; if this is true, well then my hypothesis is redundant.

I do think my notion that it represents wealth is consistent with other teachings, however ('You cannot serve both God and Mammoth'). But aaannyway...

I think I must have been suffering from a temporary lapse of insanity to make my forum debut with such a thread - I was under the influence of alcohol at the time. Oh Good Lord :rolleyes: , forgive me. I'm going to have to post something completely unrelated very shortly in order to redeem myself.


Yamayama

Completely off subject here. Where did you get your screen name from? Have you ever heard of an old song called "The Yamayama Man?" I just thought it was interesting to see your name since I was just humming that tune to myself a few moments before I saw it.

LOL. Unless the name of that song is ingrained somewhere in my subconsciousness from years back, its complete coincidence. It just sprung to mind one day, when I was trying to decide on a nic; more likely got it from a cheap Japanese takeaway I'd say. :D

Dreamwalker
05-10-04, 07:25 AM
I also read this thing about 666 being false, 999 the correct form. Was it in some thread here at sciforums? I really have to look.

I am suprised that DCLXVI did not join this thread ;)

Lemming3k
05-10-04, 09:31 AM
I also read this thing about 666 being false, 999 the correct form. Was it in some thread here at sciforums? I really have to look.
I saw it on tv but i dont remember much about it just that one line, perhaps there is a thread on the forums about it, i might have a look on the net for something, im intrigued now if someone else has heard it too.

Yamayama
05-10-04, 09:40 AM
Actually, I've just remembered:

As far as I know, arabic numerals weren't introduced until centuries later. If this is the case, then the author wouldn't have represented the number with either 666 or 999.

I'm quite possibly wrong though!

StarOfEight
05-10-04, 03:51 PM
I'm pretty sure "666" was intended as a reference to Nero, much as Lucifer was originally intended as a reference to a contemporary Babylonian king.

http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/nero666.htm

Halcyon
05-10-04, 11:23 PM
Star of Eight has it. The reason why it's held among scholars to be a reference to Nero(And why they didn't pick one of the other million or so names that possibly coincide with the number 666 numerologically) because on some of the oldest transcripts of the manuscripts of that book ever found contain the number 616, which is the numerological equivalent of the more linguistically accurate spelling of Nero's name at the time of transcription. It gives credence to the reference.

Adstar
05-10-04, 11:35 PM
Both the Hebrews and the Greeks like the romans used a letter based numerical system. So each number was represented by a letter.

There is no reason to think that the original 666 refered to the Roman numeral letters, It is far more likly that they refered to the Jewish and or Greek Letters. The Jewish numerical systen is known as the Gemartria system. Each letter in the Jewish alphabet represents a number. It is by adding the numerical value of all the letters in ones name that you will be able to calculate the numerical value of that persons name.

To demonstrate using the roman numerical systen lets take a name:
I = 1
V = 5
X = 10
L = 50
C = 100
D = 500
M = 1000

Lemming3k= L 50 + M 1000 + M 1000 + I 1 = 2051

So the number of Lemming3k name is 2051 in roman numerals.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Cyperium
05-11-04, 08:23 AM
I have a personal theory that there are 665 wild animal species in the world, and number 666 is a human number (the wild species of human).

Couldn't it be that there is one species of humans that have evolved together with the others but don't share the same moral values? (and thus are wild).

Though this doesn't say much about the name of that species (or that particular human).

Halcyon
05-11-04, 07:40 PM
By any chance can you point me to where you got that number(665) from?

Roman
05-11-04, 08:37 PM
666 actually being 999 was in the movie "End of Days" with Arnie. The idea was that (1)999 was going to be the apocolypse, and 666 was transcribed from a dream, since everything is backwards and upside down in dreams.

It seems to me, from this thread, that 616 is the correct (as far as we know) numbering, not 666. So perhaps further speculation should be directed at the #616?

§outh§tar
05-11-04, 08:48 PM
I wonder what the Church felt like in the year 666 AD...

Halcyon
05-11-04, 09:02 PM
Pretty crappy, I'm sure, considering that the Moslem spent most of the century subjugating Christian rule in North Africa and taking complete control over Egypt. they brought about the decline of christianity and it's influence in North africa. Hard to make converts when you're occupied by Moslems.(Christians could not convert Moslems because it was a crime punishable by death)

FieryIce
05-11-04, 09:19 PM
It seems Washington, DC, is full of 16’s:
- 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the address of the White House
- “the greatest width (160 feet) and the highest allowable building height (160 feet)” according to the design by L’Enfant
Washington Places, University of Virginia, Pennsylvania Avenue (http://arch.virginia.edu/dcplaces/paave.html)

- “16th Street was envisioned as the primary entrance corridor from the north, terminating in the President's Park and the Whitehouse
Washington Places, University of Virginia, 16th Street (http://arch.virginia.edu/dcplaces/16thstreet.html)

DCXVII will have a try.
DC = Washington
X = marks the spot
V = five sided
I = ones

Another interesting thing is the king over the bottomless pit is called Apollyon in Greek, the same language as the Roman Greek numbers.
Also, a pentagon is a five sided A-pollyon

From the footnotes 616 is noted from the oldest manuscripts.
:D

Lemming3k
05-12-04, 05:17 PM
666 actually being 999 was in the movie "End of Days" with Arnie. The idea was that (1)999 was going to be the apocolypse, and 666 was transcribed from a dream, since everything is backwards and upside down in dreams.
Im sure i saw it before that movie, but you may be right and its just from that movie.

It seems to me, from this thread, that 616 is the correct (as far as we know) numbering, not 666. So perhaps further speculation should be directed at the #616?
Perhaps it should, im intrueged about any 616 theory.
Adstar im not sure what you was trying to point out from the demonstration of roman numerals.
Cyperium where did you get the number 665?

Terrorofdeath
01-19-08, 05:19 PM
I think that 666 is the no. of anthihrist's name.Which contain's D,C,L,X,V,I.And that the APOCALIPSE/ARMAGHEDON is onlie 40 years distant.Because God sayd that the 7th day is the resting day...but did not menchion wich day is the 7th.I think that the 7th day is afther the apocalipse because we humans put Mondais,Tusday... .And in the Apocalips form the bible it sayd that 1440 peple folowed the stabed lam,the stabed lam signifies the 7th day and 1440the year of apocalipse.If yow ERASE every 7th day out of our calendar we are actualy in the year 1400. :D sory for the spelling.

Cyperium
01-19-08, 07:44 PM
Cyperium where did you get the number 665?If there are 665 species of wild animals, then 666 would be the number of the beast (the one which we do not see as a wild animal as he is in human form).

So 665 is the number of animal species.

However, I have no idea if there are less or more than 665 species, and what categories of species to exclude or include to make it so.

Enmos
01-19-08, 07:49 PM
If there are 665 species of wild animals, then 666 would be the number of the beast (the one which we do not see as a wild animal as he is in human form).

So 665 is the number of animal species.

However, I have no idea if there are less or more than 665 species, and what categories of species to exclude or include to make it so.

Think again lol
There are more than 1.000.000 named insect species alone. Named.. ;)

BlueMoose
01-19-08, 08:06 PM
Phi = 1.6180339 ~ 1000 / 616 ~ golden section

Adstar
01-20-08, 02:22 AM
DCLXVI = 666

Just to point out that the no. 666 is actually DCLXVI in roman numerals, and that D,C,L,X,V and I, in turn, are the first six symbols in the roman numerical system in reverse order (i.e. I, V, X, L, C and D backwards). It's like us writing 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,0, and then someone coming along to add them all up to get 45!

John (apparently) wrote the book of Revelation in Greek, but I think he quite likely used the Roman system for numbers (…historians feel free to correct me…), as, although the Greeks did have their own numeral system for a while, they were under Roman rule at John's time (Arabic/Indian numerals weren't in use in that region until centuries later).

Perhaps its not the number itself that's significant, but the fact that it can be represented by numbers. And what can be represented by numbers? Wealth of course, in the form of money!
'No one might be able to buy or sell unless they had the mark of the beast (...non-monetary wealth...) or the number corresponding to his name (...monetary wealth...).' (Rev 13.17)

I'm only guessing that the author was using the term to represent wealth, but I do think it's quite likely that he actually wrote DCLXVI

Opinions anyone?

P.S. Apparently χξς is used in some (Greek) versions, but I presume that these are not based on the original Greek.

P.S.S. I'm not a religionist; merely an intrigued observer.

In scripture that Number is said to represent a man. So the number is linked to a person not money.

In the Hebrew and Greek systems they used letters to represent numbers. And we are told in scriptures to calculate the number of the beast. So the name of the anti-christ will be made of letters that will add up to 666 using the Hebrew or greek system of lettered numbers.

The mark of the beast will be something that people will need to buy or sell anything it will be placed in the forehead or in the hand. It will probably be a implant able powered chip that will be used in an automated financial system where cash will be done away with.

We will see.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Medicine*Woman
01-20-08, 11:05 AM
In scripture that Number is said to represent a man. So the number is linked to a person not money.

In the Hebrew and Greek systems they used letters to represent numbers. And we are told in scriptures to calculate the number of the beast. So the name of the anti-christ will be made of letters that will add up to 666 using the Hebrew or greek system of lettered numbers.

The mark of the beast will be something that people will need to buy or sell anything it will be placed in the forehead or in the hand. It will probably be a implant able powered chip that will be used in an automated financial system where cash will be done away with.

We will see.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
*************
M*W: Adstar, I shall remind you that the "Ancient of Days" refers to the Sun.

geeser
01-20-08, 11:58 AM
If there are 665 species of wild animals, then 666 would be the number of the beast (the one which we do not see as a wild animal as he is in human form).

So 665 is the number of animal species.

However, I have no idea if there are less or more than 665 species, and what categories of species to exclude or include to make it so.
there is between 3-50 million species of creature on this planet, made up of Invertebrates and vertebrates
if your only refering to mammals, your still looking at 4,500 to 5,000 species.

Animals: estimated 3-50 million species
|
|--Invertebrates: 97% of all known species
| `--+--Sponges: 10,000 species
| |--Cnidarians: 8,000-9,000 species
| |--Molluscs: 100,000 species
| |--Platyhelminths: 13,000 species
| |--Nematodes: 20,000+ species
| |--Annelida: 12,000 species
| `--Arthropods
| `--+--Crustaceans: 40,000 species
| |--Insects: 1-30 million+ species
| `--Arachnids: 75,500 species
|
`--Vertebrates: 3% of all known species
`--+--Reptiles: 7,984 species
|--Amphibians: 5,900 species
|--Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
|--Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
`--Ray-Finned Fishes: 23,500 species
http://animals.about.com/b/2007/08/13/how-many-species-on-earth.htm

your a little bit out in your calulations.

Adstar
01-20-08, 06:14 PM
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M*W: Adstar, I shall remind you that the "Ancient of Days" refers to the Sun.

MW I shall remind you that i consider your interpretations to be laughable. Derived from theories that do not deserve my consideration.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

geeser
01-21-08, 03:38 AM
MW I shall remind you that i consider your interpretations to be laughable. Derived from theories that do not deserve my consideration.


All Praise The Ancient Of Dayssaying the sun is the sun, a known life giver, which is the direct cause of the invisible sky daddy myth, Is laughable!. As opposed to your invisible sky daddy, creating the sun, Yeh right! rotflmao.