5 years to 9/11 Islamic massacre, a gloomy picture of the morality of Islamic leaders.

Five years after Islamists massacred (among thousands of other attepmts), 3,000 innocent victims, mainly for the drive of hitting the non Muslim infidels, not onoy haven not the Muslim leaders improved, on the contrary, they only becaqme lore emboldened, a large share of their backbone is of course the radical left and mainstream European media.

Thank you so much "anti war" warriors, no one like you is able to push reinforce them.

The cowardice response in most Europer to the "cartoon Jihad", which was/is just a natural reaction to violent MAINSTREAM Islam, is typifying the giving in to the Islamic terror fear factor, where not only are you not allowed to fight the radicals in the "war on terror", but Allah forbid you can not even call the murderers = murderers.

Indeed, 5 years after, a gloomy roundup on the morality of almost the entire Islamic leadership.

No regrets, but more "explanations", no real condemnations but more pointing fingers at all the wrong places, no shame but more daring "conspiracy theories".

hey Mr facts

i hope all is well....

As previously stated the Arab leaders are a bunch of fuckwits, thye are greedy, have egos the size of planets and do fuck all for their people, all they are interested in is power and money nothing etc....

The 9-11 was a terrible act, commited by follows of the whabbi sect, which incidentally is so intangled in the hosue of saud it is unbeleivable.. Perhaps bush should look at his relationship with the KSA first.

i am sorry Mainstream islam is not violent, yes muslims do have a problem and that is whabbism (in my opinion of course) and i pray to God this can be dealt with

Please look at the 9/11 thread for my thoughts on the conspiracy theories

5 years to 9/11 Islamic massacre, a gloomy picture of the morality of Islamic leaders.

Five years after Islamists massacred (among thousands of other attepmts), 3,000 innocent victims, mainly for the drive of hitting the non Muslim infidels, not onoy haven not the Muslim leaders improved, on the contrary, they only becaqme lore emboldened, a large share of their backbone is of course the radical left and mainstream European media.

Thank you so much "anti war" warriors, no one like you is able to push reinforce them.

The cowardice response in most Europer to the "cartoon Jihad", which was/is just a natural reaction to violent MAINSTREAM Islam, is typifying the giving in to the Islamic terror fear factor, where not only are you not allowed to fight the radicals in the "war on terror", but Allah forbid you can not even call the murderers = murderers.

Indeed, 5 years after, a gloomy roundup on the morality of almost the entire Islamic leadership.

No regrets, but more "explanations", no real condemnations but more pointing fingers at all the wrong places, no shame but more daring "conspiracy theories".

hey facts

and what was this cowadice reaction exactly.....

Our Christian leaders are way worse.

We pacifists are not in favor of letting sociopathic fundamentalist Muslims take over the world. We just understand from the history of this planet that responding to violence with more violence has never solved a problem.

People whose reaction to something like 9/11 is to advocate hitting "them" back harder have nothing useful to contribute to the discussion because they have stopped thinking with their brains and are allowing their Stone Age emotions to overwhelm them. Therefore we try to marginalize them to minimize their influence on the gullible.

That is not to say that we don't want this problem solved. We just need some leaders with more intelligence, better ideas, and more effective communication skills to find the solution.

We are in this mess precisely because WWI and WWII were not only fought, but won by our side. Britain seized Palestine from the defeated Ottomans and treated it like an amusing trinket collected in the sack of war booty. Then they decided to move the Jews there, who really would rather have moved back to their homes in Europe. What were they thinking? They weren't thinking, they were just grandstanding and showing the whole world that the old kingdom could still make some Grand Gestures that would influence the course of history. Boy they sure did that.

The British also created Iraq out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. Just as they had been doing so brilliantly and successfully in Africa, they cobbled together fragments of three tribes who hate each other--Sunni Arab, Shia Arab and Kurd--and told them to start living together in peace and democracy. What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. They were just the old man on the beach showing off that he still has muscles.

The defeat of Hitler and Tojo in WWII was hailed as the end of humanity's problems, but almost immediately Stalin and Mao took over their spheres of influence and we were right back where we started, with the difference being nuclear weapons. The US and USSR spent forty years using the Middle East as a chessboard, shoving kings around and sacrificing pawns, with total disrespect for the lives and futures of the hapless people who lived there. Egypt, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan... pick a country from this millennium's headlines and you will be looking at one whose recent history has been largely shaped by the imperious meddling of the Cold War adversaries who went for each other's throats the moment they emerged victorious from WWII.

We're not anti-war merely because we woke up and realized that fighting is the pastime of those too stupid, ignorant and immature to handle life's challenges any other way. We're anti-war because war has NEVER, in the history of this planet, achieved anything worth the sacrifices, and on the contrary has usually made things worse.

We need leaders who can craft solutions to our problems using tactics that are not measured in body counts. This planet is shrinking and there is simply no room left for Stone Age thinkers.

Our Christian leaders are way worse.While Christians become ever more improved, Islamists are getting far worse.

We pacifists are not in favor of letting sociopathic fundamentalist Muslims take over the world. We just understand from the history of this planet that responding to violence with more violence has never solved a problem.

People whose reaction to something like 9/11 is to advocate hitting "them" back harder have nothing useful to contribute to the discussion because they have stopped thinking with their brains and are allowing their Stone Age emotions to overwhelm them. Therefore we try to marginalize them to minimize their influence on the gullible.

That is not to say that we don't want this problem solved. We just need some leaders with more intelligence, better ideas, and more effective communication skills to find the solution.

We are in this mess precisely because WWI and WWII were not only fought, but won by our side. Britain seized Palestine from the defeated Ottomans and treated it like an amusing trinket collected in the sack of war booty. Then they decided to move the Jews there, who really would rather have moved back to their homes in Europe. What were they thinking? They weren't thinking, they were just grandstanding and showing the whole world that the old kingdom could still make some Grand Gestures that would influence the course of history. Boy they sure did that.

The British also created Iraq out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. Just as they had been doing so brilliantly and successfully in Africa, they cobbled together fragments of three tribes who hate each other--Sunni Arab, Shia Arab and Kurd--and told them to start living together in peace and democracy. What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. They were just the old man on the beach showing off that he still has muscles.

The defeat of Hitler and Tojo in WWII was hailed as the end of humanity's problems, but almost immediately Stalin and Mao took over their spheres of influence and we were right back where we started, with the difference being nuclear weapons. The US and USSR spent forty years using the Middle East as a chessboard, shoving kings around and sacrificing pawns, with total disrespect for the lives and futures of the hapless people who lived there. Egypt, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan... pick a country from this millennium's headlines and you will be looking at one whose recent history has been largely shaped by the imperious meddling of the Cold War adversaries who went for each other's throats the moment they emerged victorious from WWII.

We're not anti-war merely because we woke up and realized that fighting is the pastime of those too stupid, ignorant and immature to handle life's challenges any other way. We're anti-war because war has NEVER, in the history of this planet, achieved anything worth the sacrifices, and on the contrary has usually made things worse.

We need leaders who can craft solutions to our problems using tactics that are not measured in body counts. This planet is shrinking and there is simply no room left for Stone Age thinkers.

Great post.