I am open to taking criticism, however I don't want this thread to turn into everyone bashing each other thread.

Some individuals in the previous thread asked a few questions some said prove it. This is like me saying to that person prove to me you have a brain. Without using any equipment. Anyway moving along, when I talk about a 3rd eye. I am not talking about a physical feature. I am talking in the sense of spirtual purification (http://www.tasawwuf.org/writings/sermons/purification_of_the_soul.pdf) <-- click to lern more, its a in .pdf.

At the moment I will leave this, I will be adding more.

So Muslim, are you, in essence indirectly seeking to convert persons to Islam? If not, whar exactly is your purpose. It would be helpful to know.

I like the part of the doc that says how women must cover themselves to prevent lustful mens lust. Very enlightened don't bother dealing with the root of the problem just cover it up and ignore it. Worked really well in Saudi Arabia a few years back when that girls school caught fire and the firemen stood there and watched little girls burn to death rather than risking being exposed to small girls flesh.

I am open to taking criticism, however I don't want this thread to turn into everyone bashing each other thread.

Some individuals in the previous thread asked a few questions some said prove it. This is like me saying to that person prove to me you have a brain. Without using any equipment. Anyway moving along, when I talk about a 3rd eye. I am not talking about a physical feature. I am talking in the sense of spirtual purification (http://www.tasawwuf.org/writings/sermons/purification_of_the_soul.pdf) <-- click to lern more, its a in .pdf.

At the moment I will leave this, I will be
adding more.
ok. l;ets see how long this non-bashin dream of yours laasts....

now. my system's limited with memory. i have probs opening such links like you gave

but i hear you say 'pure' pure i have much trouble with. people who follow 'pure' make 'impure' as a natrualy opposite which they the seek to eiter 'put right' or kill. ti sis why i challenge your pure

for me , the opening of the 3rd eye is NOT fa;ling into the dualistic trap of 'pure' versus 'im-pure' but rather seeing THRu that false dichotomy

If the concept of 3rd eye means the same as spiritual awareness, I think we should just call it spiritual awareness, and not confuse the issue with fancy terminology. I think there is something to be said for purification. Not as a social imperitive, but as a reduction of distraction for the spiritual seeking person. That's why monks and nuns like to live in isolation. It's not only lust, but culture in general that make people confused and unfocused.

If the concept of 3rd eye means the same as spiritual awareness, I think we should just call it spiritual awareness, and not confuse the issue with fancy terminology. I think there is something to be said for purification. Not as a social imperitive, but as a reduction of distraction for the spiritual seeking person. That's why monks and nuns like to live in isolation. It's not only lust, but culture in general that make people confused and unfocused.

but i think its muh deeper than u seem to be suggesting. i am questionin the very concept of trying to become pure.

aiming for 'pureity' seems always to hand in hand wit ideals of becoming pure spirit, and transcending Nature and the body

so you have to explore the roots of that ideal. i have foundits the idea of a split between matter and spirit

so it seems to me that te allegiance to this indoctrination furters conflict in te world. because it shares a similar mindset it proliferatres the core misunderstanding

Your central theme Duendy is that humans are a blend of the physical and the spiritual. If we divorce these two aspects from each other, claiming one is superior to the other (in this case the spiritual being superior to the material) , seeking to purify the spiritual, by separating it from the dross of the body, you feel we take the wrong road.
Therefore, the aim to purify, as described in Muslim's link, is wrong - practically and morally.
Is that the general thrust of your argument?

Your central theme Duendy is that humans are a blend of the physical and the spiritual. If we divorce these two aspects from each other, claiming one is superior to the other (in this case the spiritual being superior to the material) , seeking to purify the spiritual, by separating it from the dross of the body, you feel we take the wrong road.
Therefore, the aim to purify, as described in Muslim's link, is wrong - practically and morally.
Is that the general thrust of your argument?
yes

It doesn't have to mean that at all. Getting in touch with your physical nature can be assisted by this sort of ritual purification. I wouldn't draw a clear line between spiritual and physical either. As I said, I think such practices should be solely the pursuit of the individual rather than becoming dogmatic rules for society. It reminds me of the native American practice of fasting in the wilderness in order to attain insight. It's a form of consciousness alteration, same as tripping out at home, or tantric exercises and such.

yesSo we are in total agreement then.

I thought the third eye was about the same as the 6th chakra.

I like the part of the doc that says how women must cover themselves to prevent lustful mens lust. Very enlightened don't bother dealing with the root of the problem just cover it up and ignore it.

You don't have a clue, do you?


Ophiolite - "So Muslim, are you, in essence indirectly seeking to convert persons to Islam? If not, whar exactly is your purpose. It would be helpful to know."


Careful Muslim. Ophiolite is pro Israel.

You don't have a clue, do you?
you don't either so what are you all smug about?

Some individuals in the previous thread asked a few questions some said prove it. This is like me saying to that person prove to me you have a brain. Without using any equipment. Anyway moving along, when I talk about a 3rd eye. I am not talking about a physical feature. .

Why not? I think it might help you. Didn't some scientists somewhere prove humans have a vestigeal 3rd eye or the supporting structures for it? It has been awhile. I could be wrong.

Doesn't matter. There is a physical location. I don't know if I agree on telling them you are not talking about physical features. They are so literal they will take that statement to mean that there is NO physical component of the 3rd eye.

Why not? I think it might help you. Didn't some scientists somewhere prove humans have a vestigeal 3rd eye or the supporting structures for it? It has been awhile. I could be wrong.

Doesn't matter. There is a physical location. I don't know if I agree on telling them you are not talking about physical features. They are so literal they will take that statement to mean that there is NO physical component of the 3rd eye.
well here is another gem from happeh
where oh where did you come up with this happeh?

Some of you have missed the point again and have resorted to using a straw man fallacy. Duendy is questioning a choice of word here, the word is "pure" let us first look at this definition:

Pure:
Having a homogeneous or uniform composition; not mixed: pure oxygen.
Free from adulterants or impurities: pure chocolate.
Free of dirt, defilement, or pollution: “A memory without blot or contamination must be . . . an inexhaustible source of pure refreshment” (Charlotte Brontë).
Free of foreign elements.
Containing nothing inappropriate or extraneous: a pure literary style.
Complete; utter: pure folly.
Having no faults; sinless: “I felt pure and sweet as a new baby” (Sylvia Plath).
Chaste; virgin.
Of unmixed blood or ancestry.
Genetics. Produced by self-fertilization or continual inbreeding; homozygous: a pure line.
Music. Free from discordant qualities: pure tones.
Linguistics. Articulated with a single unchanging speech sound; monophthongal: a pure vowel.
Theoretical: pure science.
Philosophy. Free of empirical elements: pure reason.

Cite: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004.

Now we can all agree pure means having no bad qualities. Muslims believe a baby is born pure and free of sin. Later on this baby while it evolves (Islam agree with evolution) or develops acquires sin by committing bad deeds, we can all agree stealing is wrong so that is evil and sinful, now everyone is sinful. So for one to attain pureness he must purify his/her soul, by various methods i.e repentance.

So I don't understand what, point duendy is trying to make here.

So Muslim, are you, in essence indirectly seeking to convert persons to Islam? If not, whar exactly is your purpose. It would be helpful to know.


I am here to teach, I don't convert anyone. I simply present everything. And if someone likes it he will convert, this is purely on the person. We don't push believes down anyone. We just show people the logical evidence, and then its simple their choice to believe init or not. We don't say things like "oh you must believe someone died for our sins" no one is just going to start believing anything, firstly your brain has to think logically for your heart to open.

Also note, I am moving on. I and I will later explain the 3rd eye. I don't want to do this right away, as you guys don't have any basic understanding of what I am talking about when I say spiritual purification. Most of you assume, this is some sort of physical purification i.e like taking a bath is not the case. I don't want to go into the science of it yet as I believe many will try to sabotage this thread. This is why I am keeping everything short and making it easy for the learning impaired or the ones who have a Greek complex.

I like the part of the doc that says how women must cover themselves to prevent lustful mens lust. Very enlightened don't bother dealing with the root of the problem just cover it up and ignore it. Worked really well in Saudi Arabia a few years back when that girls school caught fire and the firemen stood there and watched little girls burn to death rather than risking being exposed to small girls flesh.

Well, you have some issues, with the Saudi Government I think you should take, that up with them not with me. In the Qu'ran it says to save someones life if like saving the whole of humanity. Many Muslims are discontent with the Saudi Government, by the majority of Muslims they are considered hypocrites.

yes


That is really interesting, you're a genius. :rolleyes: how you manged to to do that. Hell without even opening the link you manged not to agree with the article.


...now. my system's limited with memory. i have probs opening such links like you gave...


...Therefore, the aim to purify, as described in Muslim's link, is wrong - practically and morally...



yes

Careful Muslim. Ophiolite is pro Israel.I trust Muslim that you will not be paying too much, if any, attention to Happeh's remarks. He thinks that because I have challenged him on his belief in a Jewish plan for world domination that I am pro-Israeli. This will come as a significant shock to my Muslim wife. I am for peace and I am opposed to extremism. Trite, but true.

I should like to echo a remark by spidergoat: the introduction of the 'third eye' is muddying the waters. My reaction to your earlier thread was hostile because you appeared very much to be a typical new world nutter who believes in the physical reality of a third eye.

I think Duendy's objection centres on what she sees as an inappropriate criticism of things material. Christianity talks of the sins of the flesh; you are speaking of purifying oneself spiritually, as if the [I]corruption of the soul has come from the physical. Duendy believes that the physical is important as a positive route to the soul, whether this is through hallucinogenic drugs, vigorous sex, or simply being. She does not wish to purify some of the material that has, from your viewpoint, corrupted her inner being. She believes some of it has strengthened it, and that the guilt that is being invoked is part of a patriarchal conspiracy inherent in the three Abrahamic religions to suppress and oppress humanity in general and women in particular.
[Do I have it correct Duendy?]

I trust Muslim that you will not be paying too much, if any, attention to Happeh's remarks. He thinks that because I have challenged him on his belief in a Jewish plan for world domination that I am pro-Israeli. This will come as a significant shock to my Muslim wife. I am for peace and I am opposed to extremism. Trite, but true.

I should like to echo a remark by spidergoat: the introduction of the 'third eye' is muddying the waters. My reaction to your earlier thread was hostile because you appeared very much to be a typical new world nutter who believes in the physical reality of a third eye.

I think Duendy's objection centres on what she sees as an inappropriate criticism of things material. Christianity talks of the sins of the flesh; you are speaking of purifying oneself spiritually, as if the [I]corruption of the soul has come from the physical. Duendy believes that the physical is important as a positive route to the soul, whether this is through hallucinogenic drugs, vigorous sex, or simply being. She does not wish to purify some of the material that has, from your viewpoint, corrupted her inner being. She believes some of it has strengthened it, and that the guilt that is being invoked is part of a patriarchal conspiracy inherent in the three Abrahamic religions to suppress and oppress humanity in general and women in particular.
[Do I have it correct Duendy?]

yeah. but not only Abrahamic dogma, Eastern metaphysical philosophical influences too.

I think Duendy's objection centres on what she sees as an inappropriate criticism of things material. Christianity talks of the sins of the flesh; you are speaking of purifying oneself spiritually, as if the corruption of the soul has come from the physical. Duendy believes that the physical is important as a positive route to the soul, whether this is through hallucinogenic drugs, vigorous sex, or simply being. She does not wish to purify some of the material that has, from your viewpoint, corrupted her inner being. She believes some of it has strengthened it, and that the guilt that is being invoked is part of a patriarchal conspiracy inherent in the three Abrahamic religions to suppress and oppress humanity in general and women in particular.
[Do I have it correct Duendy?]


I can understand that, however I think she has missed the whole point. I am not saying everything in the physical world is inherently evil. I am saying there is more temptation to do wrong, because who are more so connected to the physical world. Even when we talk about the metaphysical world, there is also evil there. Evil is universal it is not restricted by time or space.

I think when we talk about god from a metaphysical point of view people confuse this, you have to think of things in forms of energy not as some literal being. There is good energy in the universe and there is also bad energy. Let me give everyone analogy here, the human-body needs good bacteria and bad bacteria for it function properly, its balanced in a fine equilibrium, that is how the universe is. In a metaphysical sense. God is an energy and the devil is also an energy god is like the god energy and the devil is like the negative energy. So the devil can easily manipulate this negative energy and use it against us.

I am going to make another thread to explain god. Maybe that way we will not have confusion.

alright, what yo've said muslim:
in your trminology yu claim universe has 'good' energies and 'bad' energies

the good you calling 'God' and the bad the 'Devil'. have i got it?

so your wanting to 'purify' then will mean wanting to counteract the 'devil' and his bad energies?

you ay these bad-energies are not just prticular to the material world but also can be prt of the metaphysical too

this all reminds me of Zoroastrianism wit tits bad and good spirits in ternaly conflict, to they believe one can purify via fire

but wherei am coming from is entirely differnt from this --what i call, 'patriarchal' ideology--. i see that creation and destruction are NECESSARY. that decay and death are not bad energies, but NATURAL energies. for without decay and death there can be no life. and vice versa. these seeming oppo-sites are complimentrary making up a living evolving dynamic process

not understanding this. i see the isms which seek to do away wit so-called bad enerrgies, tend to create what they fear. ie., ideologiews that posit 'purity' create evil in th community, precisly because, setting their selves up as closer to the 'pure' or even pure, they cut temselves off from what they consider impure and then seek to destroy it

tell me. what did you think of that cartoon about your prophet?

alright, what yo've said muslim:
in your trminology yu claim universe has 'good' energies and 'bad' energies

the good you calling 'God' and the bad the 'Devil'. have i got it?

so your wanting to 'purify' then will mean wanting to counteract the 'devil' and his bad energies?

you ay these bad-energies are not just prticular to the material world but also can be prt of the metaphysical too

this all reminds me of Zoroastrianism wit tits bad and good spirits in ternaly conflict, to they believe one can purify via fire

but wherei am coming from is entirely differnt from this --what i call, 'patriarchal' ideology--. i see that creation and destruction are NECESSARY. that decay and death are not bad energies, but NATURAL energies. for without decay and death there can be no life. and vice versa. these seeming oppo-sites are complimentrary making up a living evolving dynamic process

not understanding this. i see the isms which seek to do away wit so-called bad enerrgies, tend to create what they fear. ie., ideologiews that posit 'purity' create evil in th community, precisly because, setting their selves up as closer to the 'pure' or even pure, they cut temselves off from what they consider impure and then seek to destroy it

tell me. what did you think of that cartoon about your prophet?

What do you define death and natural as?
About the cartoons, this was an abuse of basic human-rights of Muslims. Although I don't agree with the violent demonstrations and death threats. I think it should have been taken into the courts.

But what do that have to do with anything? actually, can I ask you something? what do you think about Muslims who said lets bomb Europe and behead those who created the images. What do you think of them?

Muslim, could I suggest that you are in danger of disrailing your own thread. While the cartoon issue is an important topic, might it be best to deal with it elsewhere. [But in case we don't I believe the mature response from any muslim should have been "If I valued your viewpoint I would be offended. I don't, so I'm not."]

What do you define death and natural as?

[before i answer OPH, twas me who started conversation abot the cartoon not Muslim]/

i define death as very much interwined with life. ....Okay, like 'pure' and 'impure' --what ARE tose concepts but words,right? the bottom line is they is words aren'tey. same with 'life' and 'death', what human brain has done is ABSTRACT out from a PROCESS to extremes. in tis case 'life' and 'daeth'. now i am gonna try and explore the PROCESS rather than take tese abstracts as being different o opposed. so like said i see then as warp and woof. we cannot een have MOVment with out death of movement. try and immagine when you move your arm that te trajectory is in stills--like in a film slowed down so you can see each individual moement? well as arm proceeds, ver move 'dies' as arm moves onward to its repose. same wit te day, the hour, the moment. the moment dies and sumultanously is refreshed/reborn. the final death or physical death--altho much more dramatic is really part and parcel of tis natrual process

About the cartoons, this was an abuse of basic human-rights of Muslims. Although I don't agree with the violent demonstrations and death threats. I think it should have been taken into the courts.

me))i mentioned it cause what we are talking about is NOTjust academic. it has R E A L consequences in the community! for example, you posit your prophet as pure dont you? so that ANY challenge to him will be seen as impure. and as we see instigates violence. so what is such violence Muslim?pure of impure, in your opinion?

But what do that have to do with anything? actually, can I ask you something? what do you think about Muslims who said lets bomb Europe and behead those who created the images. What do you think of them?
well i have told yu reasons why i mentioned it. and what you later state. well tis is the consequence of imposing 'purity' onto life which is much more complex than black and white.

Muslim, could I suggest that you are in danger of disrailing your own thread. While the cartoon issue is an important topic, might it be best to deal with it elsewhere. [But in case we don't I believe the mature response from any muslim should have been "If I valued your viewpoint I would be offended. I don't, so I'm not."]

I have a plan. That is going to go well with me topic.

duendy, all that is well an good. However I asked you a question could you please try to answer that. I asked you what do you think of the Muslims who said lets bomb Europe and kill non Muslims?

I'm sure that is not too hard.

We can argue all night and day on words. This isn't going to prove anything. You believe in one thing which I respect however at the same time I think this is wrong way of thinking, its illogical.

duendy, all that is well an good. However I asked you a question could you please try to answer that. I asked you what do you think of the Muslims who said lets bomb Europe and kill non Muslims?

I'm sure that is not too hard.

me))errr no. but dont go all cryptic on me. what do i think? that they is caught up in a pure vs impure false ideology is what i think. wat do you think?

We can argue all night and day on words. This isn't going to prove anything. You believe in one thing which I respect however at the same time I think this is wrong way of thinking, its illogical.
no really. wods make up language. we are language-users, so it is important we KNOW what words we use, how we use them, their origins and so on. HOW many literalist religionists are aware of the meaning and origin of the words they use??

no really. wods make up language. we are language-users, so it is important we KNOW what words we use, how we use them, their origins and so on. HOW many literalist religionists are aware of the meaning and origin of the words they use??

Ah ha!

Duendy, this is going to be the second time, I am going to categorically refute you in this thread.

Note you said: "entirely different from this --what i call, 'patriarchal' ideology--. i see that creation and destruction are NECESSARY. that decay and death are not bad energies, but NATURAL energies"

In essence you were saying there is no such thing as "bad" energies or "good" energy's, they are "natural" energies. Moving along...

I asked you a question and your replay was this:

"me))errr no. but dont go all cryptic on me. what do i think? that they is caught up in a pure vs impure false ideology is what i think. wat do you think?"


There is a contradiction, how is that natural? its not is it? something is wrong there, oh geezzzzzz let me think what that might be? oh could it be the negative energies I was talking about?

So in essence, its like this you said those people are caught up in a false ideology now you even saying that you contradict your own standing. Because you agree they believing in something that is wrong/bad/evil so how can you say energies are natural?

Duendy, this is going to be the second time, I am going to categorically refute you in this thread.

Note you said: "entirely different from this --what i call, 'patriarchal' ideology--. i see that creation and destruction are NECESSARY. that decay and death are not bad energies, but NATURAL energies"

In essence you were saying there is no such thing as "bad" energies or "good" energy's, they are "natural" energies. Moving along...

I asked you a question and your replay was this:

"me))errr no. but dont go all cryptic on me. what do i think? that they is caught up in a pure vs impure false ideology is what i think. wat do you think?"


There is a contradiction, how is that natural? its not is it? something is wrong there, oh geezzzzzz let me think what that might be? oh could it be the negative energies I was talking about?

So in essence, its like this you said those people are caught up in a false ideology now you even saying that you contradict your own standing. Because you agree they believing in something that is wrong/bad/evil so how can you say energies are natural?
yes i see what you mean. you think you've caugt me out because i had said creative and destructive energes are complimentary, and you ask well how trhen can i saw the destructive energy of Musliams who want to blow up people etc are bad then. thati have contradcted myself? have i got you right?

so let me try furthe explain what i mean then------------i see natrual destructive energy natrual. when we decay and die it is natrual isn't it? if noone died we would be ll likesardines. here'd be no space. already people die and world is getting more overpopulated sos imagine noone dieing

animals also eat othe animals. if this wasn't so there'd be no balance. one species would run riot----like we're doing!

some ten claim that WAR must be natrual, because it keeps our numbers down. and this is where i begin questioning the logic

war, when looked at is te consequence of ignorant psychology. one group identifying with a belief/ideology/tradition which can become in conflict with another belief system. underneath this ignoreance we are same species, no? so war is ognore-ance of tis fact. it is also horror. and anti natrual

for example te war te West is conducting against Middle East uses irrevesably destructive weaponry that will cause genocide ecocide for millions of years--ie teir use of depleted uranium. etc

so, soo. whereas the natrual process of complimentary energies ARE natrual, in that the whole is sustained. when psychological ignoreance has its way things are gonna go AWAY from balance and sustainability and just lead to a misreable unliveable hell. where food, water, even air is TOXIC

I'm not totally dismissive of the idea of a third eye in a literal sense as well, but it's hard to prove. UGK says that he percieves a kind of light coming through his skull, and that's it's a different color in different places on the globe.

I'm not totally dismissive of the idea of a third eye in a literal sense as well, but it's hard to prove. UGK says that he percieves a kind of light coming through his skull, and that's it's a different color in different places on the globe.
spidergoat...id you see the link i gave in last tread of same subject?
that mentioned third eye is pineal gland

i am distrustful of pinpointing 'it'. i am not discounting i utterly, i just feel that all that can get all dogmatic and bar te way for people to experiment, and not feel intimidated
for me it is quite simple AND eglaritarian. I/e., ANYone can 'open their 3rd eye'. how? by taking a psychedelic sacrament!....this does away wit gurus and so-called hgoly men etc. who neeeds em?

the 'UGK' you mention, is that that guru Krishnamurti?

yes i see what you mean. you think you've caugt me out because i had said creative and destructive energes are complimentary, and you ask well how trhen can i saw the destructive energy of Musliams who want to blow up people etc are bad then. thati have contradcted myself? have i got you right?

so let me try furthe explain what i mean then------------i see natrual destructive energy natrual. when we decay and die it is natrual isn't it? if noone died we would be ll likesardines. here'd be no space. already people die and world is getting more overpopulated sos imagine noone dieing

animals also eat othe animals. if this wasn't so there'd be no balance. one species would run riot----like we're doing!

some ten claim that WAR must be natrual, because it keeps our numbers down. and this is where i begin questioning the logic

war, when looked at is te consequence of ignorant psychology. one group identifying with a belief/ideology/tradition which can become in conflict with another belief system. underneath this ignoreance we are same species, no? so war is ognore-ance of tis fact. it is also horror. and anti natrual

for example te war te West is conducting against Middle East uses irrevesably destructive weaponry that will cause genocide ecocide for millions of years--ie teir use of depleted uranium. etc

so, soo. whereas the natrual process of complimentary energies ARE natrual, in that the whole is sustained. when psychological ignoreance has its way things are gonna go AWAY from balance and sustainability and just lead to a misreable unliveable hell. where food, water, even air is TOXIC

Well I don't agree with. From a personal point of view I am a little crazy, but I love war its so cool, I want to join the army it would be really cool to be a soldier. I don't want to live in your kind of world, I want to live in a world where its someone vs someone. This war is going to happen it has all been prophesied. Death is a beautiful thing it helps you be with your creator its pointless living on the earth if you're not fighting for something. I want to see war death and destruction, then that way we will appreciate the opposites more.

You're tying to say all be good friends it sounds boring.

Well I don't agree with. From a personal point of view I am a little crazy, but I love war its so cool,

me)))hah...you sound VERY young. do you think horrr is cool? wouod you like to see you mum with her brain bursting out of her head, or ou young bro or sis wit their limbs blown off. is THAt cool?

I want to join the army it would be really cool to be a soldier. I don't want to live in your kind of world, I want to live in a world where its someone vs someone.

me))well, got news fo ya kid. you've arrived!

This war is going to happen it has all been prophesied. Death is a beautiful thing it helps you be with your creator its pointless living on the earth if you're not fighting for something. I want to see war death and destruction, then that way we will appreciate the opposites more.

me))))its caus we are lost in conflict of opposites there IS conflict and war.

You're tying to say all be good friends it sounds boring.
you are a silly silly child. hope you one day grow up before you do someting really stupid!

you are a silly silly child. hope you one day grow up before you do someting really stupid!


Firstly, I am not a child I am 22. Secondly I said that to see what you were going to say. So what were you being there? when you called me silly? was that ignorant psychology oh wise women?

by the way you can diss my mom all you want, she was evil! Tell me what you call women who has a baby and then just leaves it and she runs off? what is that to mothers naturally do that? you're trying to make everything sound normal like stuff like that is normal. Which is not. People like you who have had it good all your life with all the money and good education and stuff will never understand.

Firstly, I am not a child I am 22.

me))haha..ok, yer a yearpast gettin the key to te door/ so what. you can still be childish. what i hear/read is what i hear

Secondly I said that to see what you were going to say.

me)what? u playin me??

So what were you being there? when you called me silly? was that ignorant psychology oh wise women?

by the way you can diss my mom all you want,

me))was i dissin your mum..?? read right. i asked you if finding your mum wit her brain blown out in a war situation would be "cool"---or your dad, or granparents, or lover, etc.

she was evil! Tell me what you call women who has a baby and then just leaves it and she runs off? what is that to mothers naturally do that? you're trying to make everything sound normal like stuff like that is normal. Which is not. People like you who have had it good all your life with all the money and good education and stuff will never understand.

dont presume you know me. you dont. i haven't a cule what you've been thru so dont believe you can know my tale.
i will just sa, i can understand how hurt you must be----wel cant really, but----maybe she had her reasons. we ar all only human you know. maybe she abandoned you thinking it for your own good. riht or wrong. that was her decision at the time.

Oh, you really have walked into it here Muslim. I can barely wait for the explosion. You may be lucky and get the sympathy vote from Duendy, but I rather doubt it. I have ordered in a gourmet meal: this could be quite a show.

I was wrong. Duendy saw parallels and gave you the benefit of the doubt. Lucky guy (or gal) Muslim. Very lucky. You may have been abandoned as a child, Muslim, and that's tough. But Duendy was, arguably, abandoned as an adult: and that's a hell of a lot tougher.

I was wrong. Duendy saw parallels and gave you the benefit of the doubt. Lucky guy (or gal) Muslim. Very lucky. You may have been abandoned as a child, Muslim, and that's tough. But Duendy was, arguably, abandoned as an adult: and that's a hell of a lot tougher.

I'm a male. The point is she is trying make this sound out "normal" and "OK" its just stupid, she doesn't want to believe that maybe it was evil within them that made them take such decisions. If she was abandoned as an adult at least she didn't get picked on in school or had people make fun of her. But she is trying make all this seem normal which is really getting me annoyed and frustrated. There is always evil, people get evil thoughts at time. These are not natural thoughts humans are not naturally evil there is some influence.

She reminds me of Darwin, Darwin says: "its the survival of the fittest and the weak must be destroyed" and "natural selection" what this means is, if people die then oh well he was weak to protect himself. This is where racism comes from, it makes you believe you have to fight to preserve your own race or something daft like that. Her reasoning is pretty similar to this, her's is well its natural to be like that. Tell me is a baby born naturally racist of is that a trait it develops later on? no one is naturally born in a state of evil all of these traits are picked up later.

And the belief in what a preach is a cure.

dont presume you know me. you dont. i haven't a cule what you've been thru so dont believe you can know my tale.
i will just sa, i can understand how hurt you must be----wel cant really, but----maybe she had her reasons. we ar all only human you know. maybe she abandoned you thinking it for your own good. riht or wrong. that was her decision at the time.

Oh great you're going to defend her? this is your thinking. I think people who do that should be punished, by god. Yeah abandoned me for my own good? so yeah could go with another man just because she was in "love" but she wasn't in "love" with her own kid. I don't really want to talk about this I don't want to get overlay emotional over something that happened years ago.

I'm a male. The point is she is trying make this sound out "normal" and "OK" its just stupid, she doesn't want to believe that maybe it was evil within them that made them take such decisions. If she was abandoned as an adult at least she didn't get picked on in school or had people make fun of her.

me))and ..errr, how do you KNOW this? have i told you?

But she is trying make all this seem normal which is really getting me annoyed and frustrated.

me)pwhat are you on about. i am trying to make what 'normal'? whathappened to you? i alredy said, it must have been really tuff fo yo. what fukin more do you want? do you think your te only person who has suffered?.....

There is always evil, people get evil thoughts at time. These are not natural thoughts humans are not naturally evil there is some influence.

me)))))pwhich you blieve is the 'devil' right?? as in 'blame it on the devil'. THA old chestnut. i say no. be aware of your won responsibilites. you say you are getting all angery right, wid me. say it came to you harming/killing me. who you gonna blame? the devil or YOU?

She reminds me of Darwin, Darwin says: "its the survival of the fittest and the weak must be destroyed" and "natural selection" what this means is, if people die then oh well he was weak to protect himself. This is where racism comes from, it makes you believe you have to fight to preserve your own race or something daft like that. Her reasoning is pretty similar to this, her's is well its natural to be like that. Tell me is a baby born naturally racist of is that a trait it develops later on? no one is naturally born in a state of evil all of these traits are picked up later.

me))so now your equating me wit DARWIN? oh my gawwwd, this is now comedy!

And the belief in what a preach is a cure.
say whaaat?

Oh great you're going to defend her? this is your thinking. I think people who do that should be punished, by god. Yeah abandoned me for my own good? so yeah could go with another man just because she was in "love" but she wasn't in "love" with her own kid. I don't really want to talk about this I don't want to get overlay emotional over something that happened years ago.

Funny how you were going to keep this so reasonable. Looks to me like you talk just like everyone else.

I told you they were trouble. Serves you right for ignoring me.

Oh great you're going to defend her? this is your thinking.

me)do i KNOW the situation? havei not read two sentences about it? do you want me toagree and say --yes she is evil? you ow mamma evil. i am saying yes you must be utterly hurt, but sometimes mothersabandon their babies imagining its for their own good. can you dig tyhat?

I think people who do that should be punished, by god. Yeah abandoned me for my own good? so yeah could go with another man just because she was in "love" but she wasn't in "love" with her own kid. I don't really want to talk about this I don't want to get overlay emotional over something that happened years ago.

well if you suppress all that, do you think it just vanishes. you MUST feel and explore your pain, otherwise it'll destroy you and those around you

She reminds me of Darwin, .You have to admit Duendy, for anyone who knows you as well as one can be known on a forum, this is absolutely hilarious. I can picture you spluttering and stuttering in shock. Quite priceless.

Serves you right for ignoring me.Rude bastard. Respond to my posts, rude bastard. Answer my questions, rude bastard. Stop running away, rude bastard. Which city, rude bastard?

Well I don't agree with. From a personal point of view I am a little crazy, but I love war its so cool, I want to join the army it would be really cool to be a soldier.

I wonder how many people think war is cool and how many people think living without limbs is cool. Because the first often leads to the second.

I will get back to you. I am thinking.

I wonder how many people think war is cool and how many people think living without limbs is cool. Because the first often leads to the second.

What are you on about? you can die lose a limb even if you're not in a war I mean I would rather lose a limb in war then by having a accident I would be content with lose a limb in war. I wish I was born in the middle ages, and I was a military general and had an army of 2 million strong, I would take concubines and have harems and what not. I've I could invent a time machine I would go back into history and be all powerful mighty emperor of the world. And I would have 500,000 wifes.

What are you on about? you can die lose a limb even if you're not in a war I mean I would rather lose a limb in war then by having a accident I would be content with lose a limb in war. I wish I was born in the middle ages, and I was a military general and had an army of 2 million strong, I would take concubines and have harems and what not. I've I could invent a time machine I would go back into history and be all powerful mighty emperor of the world. And I would have 500,000 wifes.

....so. you take time to 'think', and come back to us with THIS?????

....so. you take time to 'think', and come back to us with THIS?????

I don't want to play this game anymore.

I don't want to play this game anymore.
its crossed my mind whether you are a secret service agent covertly spreading anti-Islamic propaganda...

It is fairly obvious by now that Muslim is a sock puppet. I'm not sure who, but he was unable to maintain his false persona for very long. There are several earlier indications that make sense once you entertain the possibility.

I work for the KGB (rolleyes sarcastically)

I work for the KGB (rolleyes sarcastically)
OK i have done
i bet its more CIA or MI5

OK i have done
i bet its more CIA or MI5


No, I am not. Why would I be working for the government? my grammar sucks.

No, I am not. Why would I be working for the government? my grammar sucks.
oh, so naive

Trust me on this one Duendy, this one is too dumb even to be working for a Blair government.

Muslim, are you really a muslim? or are you taking the piss?

Muslim, are you really a muslim? or are you taking the piss?

Am a liberal Muslim.

OK. I been patient. I am tired of watching people flail around doing nothing.

Look at this picture.

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Retards/SpiritualKungFuCropped.jpg

One of these days when you wake up, you will realize that this man is a living example of all the wasted time in this thread.


You are welcome.

so you choose the rules of Allah as you wish? muslim

so you choose the rules of Allah as you wish? muslim
..he proclaims....and then, does a runner..