Cheerleaders get a raw deal, I think they are:athletic, articulate,very fit, pretty and do a good job..I would like to hear from any cheerleader...anyone disagree with me may like to say why!:cool:

I think they are:athletic, articulate,very fit, pretty and do a good job..

they maybe athletic etc. but what are they really? a device used to hold the attention span of the average american for a few minutes. do they serve any real purpose? no. ever noticed how cheerleaders generally look decent? they're just there to shake something and keep the audience's attention from wandering too much.

Is this for real? :bugeye:
Well I for one disagree because cheerleaders are retarded:D
They are either, enthusiastic about their team, or , they want to become popular by being fake as hell.
Either way they are shallow morons.
If you mean they are fun to have disrespectful sex with then yeah, I agree.

quote:
Either way they are shallow morons.
If you mean they are fun to have disrespectful sex with then yeah, I agree. [/B][/QUOTE]

cheerleaders are articulate ,sincere and pretty,that is more you can say about most people!!if any cheerleader are reading thisyou may like to reply.... :)

To Airavata who wrote:

"they maybe athletic etc. but what are they really? a device used to hold the attention span of the average american for a few minutes. do they serve any real purpose? no. ever noticed how cheerleaders generally look decent? they're just there to shake something and keep the audience's attention from wandering too much."

Yes they are a device but so is dressing Trinity in tight black leather! And what about the babes in Sports Illustrated? Device. And there is a real purpose...INSPIRATION!

I don't get it! Feminism has really ruined things.

Originally posted by Lucysnow
To Airavata:


Yes they are a device but so is dressing Trinity in tight black leather! And what about the babes in Sports Illustrated? Device. And there is a real purpose...INSPIRATION!

I don't get it! Feminism has really ruined things.

Yes I totally agree with you on that...cheerleaders have to be motivated,athletic and pretty, thats good enough for me:cool:

the cheerleaders are an inspiration? i'm sorry, but i just don't see how they can be.

I'm just glad there are no cheerleaders in Britain. I have nothing against cheerleaders though as they are associated with America; not with me.

I'm a cheerleader... Anyone complaining about throwing chicks around and touching them in cool places needs to have his head examined. Just remember cheerleading consists of the cheering itself and stunts. The stunts are the cool part.

http://www.cheerweb.net/uwcheer/images/pictures/pic12_10.jpg

Well done Jerrek that is exactly what I was talking about...you need skill and talent.


:)

if it keeps them fit, builds motor function/co-ordination, and helps foster real team work with trust then it should be compulsory!
and helps heal all those who have issues with touching another human-being!
i just dislike all the excessively patriotic crap that gets spewed out by the ass kissing team managers and directors trying to use thier team management position as some form of political spring board.
free expresion not artistic regresion! :)
whats wrong with being fit and healthy and not being a heart attack burdon on the countrys economy and bringing extra missery to your own family?
go girls and guys!
you rock!
ps. the next big thing for the school leaders is to make hygeen/showering and changing after compulsory, after practice.
imagine having to sit in a chair and try and learn anything when you stink of sweat and all your clothes are sticking to you :confused:
eeeeek
health profesionals and teachers alike should be disgusted at the practice of it!
unfortunately allot of the youth is already sexualy disfunctional so showering in large numbers could give oppertunity for biggotry and retarded anti social behaviour to be acted out by the more disfunctional bullying types!
oooppss i digress....
go cheerleaders!
:)

yes ,I agree with you ,however communial showers in the army were obligatory...we all got on just fine:D

I like cheerleaders, well any normal guy should like cheerleaders. BUT i dont understand the reason behind them. Ok, some of them are talented and do nice stuff but i dont mostly care about what they do cause when they dance during the timeouts i feel like hypnotized :D Cheerleaders in NCAA and Professional Sports is ok but cheerleaders in high school with those shirt-skirts :rolleyes: i dont know.. Anyway i like em.. Shake it baby, one more time ;)

As for what cheerleaders actually DO....what does any athelete actually DO? Not a whole lot, the point of all sports is to showcase athletic ability, it wasn't always about money, it just so happens that people like to watch shoecases of athletic ability and thats where the money comes in. Cheerleaders are just as much athletes as any other sports members are.

-AntonK

1st thought no, Second thought a definite yes.

I'm a football guy so when i compare cheerleading athletically its no comparison. so just taking that into mind i'd have to say cheerleading wasn't a sport.

BUT!!!

If you compare a cheer leader with lets say a golfer? cheerleader would kick his tail. Golfing a sport i plan to take up when im 35 and start getting arthritis and fartin dust...and yet golfing is a sport so i say why not, sure why not call it a sport

POINT TO MAKE

at the same time i call cheerleading a sport i think there is something else that should also be said. have any of you ever seen professional cheerleaders(eg. Amercian NFL, NBA) and the stuff they do. :) And if we call that an athletic sport then i think playboy girls and strippers should also be considered athletes. :D

LOL

have you ever seen the athletes in the iron man and iron women compititions?
the winners seem to average an age of about 30 years old.
and suggesting you will get arthritis resulting from old age is a little off the mark.
how many football players in any team can do a summersalt or flick flacks and then catch a person in free fall?
or just a kartwheel for that matter.
the cheerleading i was refering to is the type that involves acrobatic manouvers not the jumping on the spot waving
pom poms, which is just another form of cheering like an overweight shovenistic male shouting obsenaties from the stalls
or a feminist preaching women perving at the players from the stalls being sarcastic about the stereo types.
just because there is people who need to make themselfs out to be superior to others by excluding them from a popularity contest derived from thier own disfunction is no grounds to stop looking after your own body!
the "popular" girls(and boys) of such groups (cheerleading and other exclusively fostered groups) are just as much victims as the unpopular girls and boys by the constant reinforcement of perverted morals and ethics based on clothing and money.
which is mostly preached by thier disfunctional parents and disfunctional teachers and those with perverse selfish intent.
aside from the need to gain enough money to raise a family or seel personal goals.
once you remove the peer presure that they are expected to conform to by allot of people they are no different than other people they just all have slightly different types of issues from such things being dictated and fostered from birth and sociatal requirments placed like walls/blinkers in thier lifes.

and just a small point yet a realy big one is that since most people associate cheerleaders in a form of pornography and sexual symbology...
the more fit you are the better sex you can have
(not will have but can have)!

groove on all :)

quote:
and just a small point yet a really big one is that since most people associate cheerleaders in a form of pornography and sexual symbology...
the more fit you are the better sex you can have
(not will have but can have)!

"the more fit you are the better sex you can have"have you any proof of this.......and secondly Ido not see cheerleaders as being superior to anyone, they are fit ,pretty and athletic.....


:cool:

heyya :)

quote
"the more fit you are the better sex you can have"have you any proof of this

yes

quote
and secondly Ido not see cheerleaders as being superior to anyone, they are fit ,pretty and athletic

i am surprised you got the impresion i was suggesting that cheerleaders are superior :confused:

we all have our own problems
as such

i think we all should encourage teen agers to participate and maintain some form of fitnes practice

if you RE-read what i posted you should see that i was noting that all people have issues and so others are percieved as being
of some sort of group, which is seen as a group that is undesirable
to someone
to dislike someone because they are percieved as attractive is extreemly biggoted and reflects self esteem issues
and just the same in reverse

norma jean baker is a good example of distorted perception
by those who thought she was not educated or inttelegent

groove on all :)

quote;norma jean baker is a good example of distorted perception
by those who thought she was not educated or inttelegent .


Norma Jean was portrayed as the archetypal dumb blonde, she was beautiful but in reality I do not think she was intelligent or well educated..however she was a talent:)

Some of the big competitions are interesting to watch but I don't think their jobs are necessary at sporting events. They only babysit the spectators by trying to keep them interacting with the game during intermission or during a time-out or whatever the situation. At night, after I have watched pro-football, I'm haunted by their fake smiles and head-nodding.

OMG, yeah, Norma Jean Baker was uh... well she discusts me because she was a stupid blonde bimbo who got bizzay with the Prez and his brother. Sorry, no offense but I just have NO respect for her, nor for her modern-day counterpart, Anna Nicole Smith.

Oh dear me. I think to compare Marilyn to Anna Nicole is like comparing a Nieuhaus chocolate to Reeses pieces. Marilyn is an American legend!

Rippleofdeath:

"have you ever seen the athletes in the iron man and iron women compititions?
the winners seem to average an age of about 30 years old."

my appologies, it was a figure of speach, i am fully aware that for males 30 is the peak of physical ability. you got the idea though that golf was something i plan to do when im older and less energetic.

"how many football players in any team can do a summersalt or flick flacks and then catch a person in free fall?
or just a kartwheel for that matter"

you would definately be surprized. ill list for you a couple of examples:

couple of weaks ago at a highschool powderpuff game i saw a 225 Ib center do a back flip as part of his cheerleading routine...and yes the others could all atleast do "kartwheels."

believe it or not most serious football players also take lessons in dancing, especially balae(i think i butchered that spelling) because this helps with balance on the field.

my own brother was a starting player in college(my source). i doubt anyone could through him 20 feet in the air but the standard college football players can vertically jump 5-6 feet plus from a standing position. Im sure cheerleaders could stretch farther but my brother can atleast touch palm to floor with your standard toe touch.

"flick flacks and then catch a person in free fall "

okay one question when you say person are you including the two completely different groups of cheerleaders (guys and girls).
Because if you are i'd like to go into more detail. a grown man does "flick flacks" (which i respect) but then he has to catch a 130-140 pound *girl* in "free fall." Oh i just remembered. in cheerleading that girl would be whats called a "flyer" which the lightest girl on the team and probably weighs under what i previously mentioned. Any athlete who plays in any physical sport would be able to learn that in a day or two. If you brought up something like a tripple back-handspring i wouldn't argue that that takes skill but don't tell me its hard to catch that little girl.

I still don't understand why so much hostility towards cheerleaders? Yea they are not relevant in the larger scheme of things but it is just an exra-curricula activity like band...and how dumb was that! What's the harm in jumping up and down with their pom poms anyway? I think this has more to do with cheerleading. I think the negative reactions has more to do with how the 'pretty popular girl' is perceived, the mean chicks who tortured 'Carrie' in the shower room. The girls who would not talk to you in high school because she was soooo 'stuck-up'. They are supposedly dumb and shallow right?

What about all those bubble-head jocks? You know the good-looking popular head of the varsity team? The ones who would hang themselves with their own cocks if it weren't correctly cupped. Maybe they went on to play college football but they are still bubble-heads, yet no one thought to start a thread about the 'relevance' of these future NBA sports illustrated dudes (when they are not busy becoming your local used car dealer that is)

yes it does take so much talent to speak as a group <i> while </i> clapping. I get goosebumps from the suspense every time they hold up those little "Go" signs. Ohhh.. and the action packed stunts (http://www.unipanthers.com/spirit/images/01cheeraction4.jpg)... Its amazing that there are so many cheer haters out there...

:rolleyes:

...."cheerleaders are just dancers gone retarded..."

I don't know Paula Abdul was a cheer leader when hired to become a professional choreographer then entertainer. If being a cheerleader is lame then so is taking the effort to 'hate' them.

I guess things have not changed since I have been to high school...people still use stupid empty stereotypes to judge and think they are being soooooo coooool while doing so.

Originally posted by NightFall
yes it does take so much talent to speak as a group <i> while </i> clapping. I get goosebumps from the suspense every time they hold up those little "Go" signs. Ohhh.. and the action packed stunts (http://www.unipanthers.com/spirit/images/01cheeraction4.jpg)... Its amazing that there are so many cheer haters out there...

:rolleyes:

...."cheerleaders are just dancers gone retarded..."

"Have you ever tried being a cheerleader?, we do not really know what you look like! Avatar's nice though :)

She's attractive, I checked out her home page.;)

I was a cheerleader for one season in jr high. in highschool i was a dancer, and now im a coach to a damn good jr high squad which (unfotunately) could beat the pants off the Varsity.. oooo what i wouldn't give to get my hands on those varsity girls and whip their lazy asses into shape..

I've posted a pic in myself in my dancer days quite a while back, although suprisingly no one caught on. ;)

IXL777, yes i do have two pics in the pic thread on the most recent page.

Lucysnow, paula was choreographing routines for free before she was hired, and was judged by her work. she wasn't just hired becuase she was a cheerleader. (and thank you, btw, for the above post. :o and since you saw the page, how well did it load for you and what connection do you have? ... its awful for me, and id rather take away some of the extras if it will make it more funtional for others, but its hard to tell with my ancient machine.. there are days when i just want to pick up the monitor, shake it a few times, and start over... )

To Nightfall:

I never said Abdul was hired BECAUSE she was a cheerleader...I just pointed at that she was a cheerleader before she went on to be a much more public entertainer.

IXL777, yes i do have two pics in the pic thread on the most recent page.

I will have a qick look then
:cool:

heyya all :)

rhetorician
no probs
i understand what you mean about the muscle type and the flyer thing
i have been deeply involved in physical training involving things that require throwing people in the air and across the room so i get your point.
my biggest point is on the side of physical fitness for women as much as men from a point of teaching them and inspiring them to maintain some form of body recognition to self monitor health through fitnes.
the skills of those who participate in full contact sports is different again and would be more capable of being dropped and then being able to get up without seriouse injury.
ballet lessons are a great idea and i wish i had joined in my youth it would have been the ideal way to meet sexy gals :D
and keep flexible and fit
and i assume you mean the football players can jump 5-6 feet horizontaly he he he he he
or we would be seing them on the tv more often.

Lucysnow
you made me LOL with your comment
What about all those bubble-head jocks
how often would a women seek a guy that is intelectualy stimulating specialy if he is on a multi million dollar contract.
you are soo right it swings both ways.

i must admit it would be very refreshing to ACTUALY meet a women who is looking to meet an intellectualy inspiring man with atleast some good features...
but usualy the 2 are not considered compatible for either sex and the dance goes on :/
the trade off seems to be inspired by those around the person more often than not...
hence biggotry and prejudice peer presure blah blah

and on the subject of Marilyn/norma
it was my understanding that she had a degree in psychology.
maybe i am wrong
she was one of the most talented actors to hit the screen and yet when you think of the climate that she was in at the time its just such a damn shame she died so young and never had the chance to raise kids.
all people have a private side but the media try to create what they connot steal just to make easy sales by exploiting emotion.
and when they cant find it they get some freak with a camera to climb a fence or stalk a person to insight them into defence of privacey and emotional comfort.
FREAKS!
more pa pa razi bashing i say!
stalk the stalkers i say
ohh hang on there is an easyer way to stop that...
vote with your feet
but soo many lack attention so they try to get it from anywhere they can
and then who are we to abuse them for being neglected
and seeking what we all want

bash the bashers
not the streaking naKED dashers
life is art
the body represents natures art
the mind represents natures skill
what r u realy saying
when you state youve had your fill?

groove on all :)

and on the subject of Marilyn/norma
it was my understanding that she had a degree in psychology.
maybe i am wrong
ha ha. no. she was working in a factory when she quit to sign on to blue book modeling. although she did spend alot of time with a psychiatrist. ;)
she was one of the most talented actors to hit the screen and yet when you think of the climate that she was in at the time its just such a damn shame she died so young and never had the chance to raise kids. wouldn't have matterd how long she lived. she couldn't have kids. she had something like 9 miscarriages. i could look up the number, but i know im close. She wanted children more than anything and thats one of the things that made her the most depressed.

I love your poem Ripleofdeath:)

Yes its true Marilyn never did go to college or attain a degree in anything. She had many false pregnancies, a few miscarriages and quite many abortions. She could not have children but her depression was fueled by more than just her desire for a family. Marilyn was locked into an image which was really her shadow self and yes I agree she had magic which is why she is a legend.

heyya :)

ok :(
not good about the miscairiages thats one thing men dont have to deal with on a physical effects level.
with such a heavy emphasis on child raising and the innate drive
to have children (in both) i assume it must raise huge issues for women in the form of self esteem and relationship motivation...
aside from the mans feelings and collective generation of such associated issues.

i watched a docue-drama which suggested her shrink was actualy trying to undermine her and was geting kick back money for doing so from someone... any ideas on that one?

isnt it weird how soo many people wish to sit on the other side of the fence in the greener grass of perception while in fact they are throwing as much crap over at any opportunity.
people seem to spend soo much time ducking that they never see what the real image is like after spending soo much time chuking.

groove on all :)

Well it seems as if Marilyn only had one really good psychiatrist and he was the last one and only one who tried to keep her other doctors from giving her perscription pills which were destroying her. I think being used then rejected by the Kennedy brothers was the last straw for Marilyn. I don't believe there is enough evidence to prove there was any 'murder', Marilyn had so many suicide attempts it wasn't even funny. She was extremely lonely...proof that beauty, money and fame cannot shield a person from misery.

"Has anyone on this forum been a cheerleader and what sort of traits do you need?;)

heyya Lucysnow
thnx :o

if only doctors were required to not give any drugs when they were unsure of diagnosis maybe the idea of a second opinion should be considered as the first opinion in such circumstances.
quote
She was extremely lonely...proof that beauty, money and fame cannot shield a person from misery.
---
too true
and the realy weird thing is that most people cant seem to understand that people at both ends are just as likely to have issues and maybe the further up or down on the scale the more extreem are the possibilities along with the hightened possibility of separation effect?

it realy makes me doubt the ability (of those who do things to divert younger people away from physical activety through anything other than seriouse health issues)
to gain an I.Q rating large enough to rate in the double digits...
its soo sad how inner-ly misserable people try to make those who seem happy more misserable than they are just to get thier little sick-o drug fix.

maybe if cheerleaders were called missery leaders they might get more fan mail :D (sarcasim)

groove on all :)

To Ripleofdeath: Yea I see what you are saying. Its funny because I think the cheerleader is dismissed because they are not seen as 'real', they too are stuck within an image. They are peppy and popular, skinny and dumb...g-d forbid they are seen as human as the Goth in the lunch-room corner. We have sooo many boxes in which to fit people...the box then filters the others frailty and humaness.

Originally posted by Lucysnow
To Ripleofdeath: Yea I see what you are saying. Its funny because I think the cheerleader is dismissed because they are not seen as 'real', they too are stuck within an image. They are peppy and popular, skinny and dumb...g-d forbid they are seen as human as the Goth in the lunch-room corner. We have sooo many boxes in which to fit people...the box then filters the others frailty and humaness.

"Are there any professional cheerleaders on this forum who can elaborate about the talent one needs to become a cheerleader?:cool:

better start a seperate thread on that, IXL777 :D

Originally posted by airavata
better start a seperate thread on that, IXL777 :D
you may be right,our perception in Britain differs from the USA and Canada...over here they are perceived as being good looking girls with energy...

quote:They are peppy and popular, skinny and dumb...g-d forbid they are seen as human ........
......some of them must be intelligent
:cool:

quote:They are peppy and popular, skinny and dumb...g-d forbid they are seen as human ........some of them must be intelligent

i'll take your word for it. :p

Originally posted by airavata
i'll take your word for it. :p

By intelligent I mean ,knowing the square route of a a beer glass:)

Originally posted by IXL777
By intelligent I mean ,knowing the square route of a a beer glass:)

ahh.. good to hear that. thought you meant *shudder*, intelligent

LOL
ok now heres a question for u 2 stirrers...

what do you think an attractive intellegent physicaly fit women would think about you two from reading what you just said

maybe not a very balanced view of how you would like to be percieved?

i just gotta ask

how many sponsorship companys would give money to a group of largley assumed (true or not) non very attractive cheerleaders who were not popular and over weight.

whos realy in the driving seat?

groove on :)

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
LOL
ok now heres a question for u 2 stirrers...

what do you think an attractive intellegent physicaly fit women would think about you two from reading what you just said

maybe not a very balanced view of how you would like to be percieved?

i just gotta ask

how many sponsorship companys would give money to a group of largley assumed (true or not) non very attractive cheerleaders who were not popular and over weight.

whos realy in the driving seat?

groove on :)

I agree. if cheerleaders would take an I.Q. Test they would probably pass 50!

I resent that statement. :p

Comeon people, Cheerleading is great, and it's a great sport. No quite as good as Gymnastics, but good enough. Definetly better than sitting on your ass or smoking pot. Boys who cheerlead should be encouraged greatly, because they remove the stereotypes out of the sport and introduce the positive elements to it.

Now, a point of hypocracy, I don't want my daughter or son to be a cheerleader, they're gonna be the one playing the sport and being cheered at.

I don't believe there is enough evidence to prove there was any 'murder',

aug 4 1962:
7:00pm - Joe Dimaggio jr cals marilyn, she is alert and happy.
7:40pm - Peter lawford calls to invite MM to dinner, but she is disorienyed and almost inaudible. alarmed, peter calls Milton ebbins, who calls MM laywer Mickey rudin who calls friend eunice murray who says MM is fine.
10:00pm - publicist arthur jacobs is called at the hollywoodbowl and told marilyn is dead.
11:00pm - Lawford calls agent and close friend Joe naar (lives close to MM) to check on her... but rudin calls ebbins who tells naar that all is fine, Dr. greenson just gave MM a seditive.

aug 5 1962:
1:00am - Lawford calls producer/friend william asher, asking him to ceck on mm.
1:30am - rudin calls ebbins who calls lawford, to sat marilyn is dead, that rudin and greenson found her dead at midnight (one hour after giving her a sedative).

many quotes/paraphrasing taken from "The ultimate marilyn" by E.C. Cunningham

i have a book on theories of her death.... some are reaaly out there such as "revenge murder by the mob" or "marilyn knew of gov't. cover up of flying saucer." lol...

Originally posted by airavata
they maybe athletic etc. but what are they really? a device used to hold the attention span of the average american for a few minutes. do they serve any real purpose? no. ever noticed how cheerleaders generally look decent? they're just there to shake something and keep the audience's attention from wandering too much.

Cheerleaders serve the same purpose as a painting: they are supposed to be fun to look at.

To Nightfall: Yea I have a few biographies on Marilyn. I am going to check the chronology of events and check back with you. There is so much conspiracy nonsense about Marilyn when all you have to look is at her state of mind and her life. She had so many suicide attempts before the fatal one and always with prescription drugs. She was lonely and unhappy and burned by too numerous relationships which did not work. The kennedy's were just the icing on the cake. Supposedly her autopsy report indicates an overdose of Nembutal which had been ingested with no indication of any funny business. Dr. Greenson did not give her the final sedative, she had been drugging and drinking for hours before her death. I will post info tomorrow. I think people just want to believe the incredible because the reality of her was so depressing. To think she was murdered in some intigue in a sense preserves her memory as opposed to this insecure, depressive, drug abusive, needy, lonely woman.

M/M ...
not to mention the victimisation of her by manipulative people
who would use thier position of confidante to try and get her into bed or take some form of monetary gain.
it must have been a minfeild for her to try and find someone to talk openly and honestly to.
only to have such proclaimed GOOD men of standing and wealth walk away leaving her emotionaly crippled after getting there little fix of marilyn

a candle in the wind of selfishness and lies
patchwork cartoon portrayal
of coveted desires
to catch a glimpse of truth at last
so crumble would worlds of media dust
collected like moths to a flame of life
encrusted and burnt for thier own device
so lasts the flame of energy pure
held in the hearts of love so alure

was marilyn the first real american cheerleader in a sence of
truth in desire of sexual lust in the image of women representing the country
definative by widespread desire and interest based on image and display through huge media coverage?

oooppsss a little off track IXL777 ?
:D


groove on all :)

quote:oooppsss a little off track IXL777 ?
Thats O.K., its nice to see people enjoying themselves....are you talking about the candle in the wind?
:)

Rippleofdeath:

You make a very good point, if a girl wasn't doing another physical activity i'd much rather see her cheerleading than becomeing another overweight statistic.

My brother played american college football for 3 yrs. its really incredible to hear his stories. I thought he was lying but two things helped me believe... his best friend/highschool teamate is mike conn, winner of the olympic silver in the 4 man bobsled. my brother near the end of his 'career' actually could do on the leg press, 12 45 Ib (on each side)plates plus he had two guys sit on each end. I think my brothers still a pune, but i believe him when he says there were guys who could do those 5-6 foot verticle jumps.