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NenarTronian
03-09-03, 05:42 PM
Is anybody here going to this antiwar rally in DC the 15th? I'm wondering how large it's expected to be, and who's organizing it, etc.

hypewaders
03-09-03, 05:55 PM
I'll be there. You can find out more from ANSWER (http://www.internationalanswer.org/)

NenarTronian
03-09-03, 06:18 PM
I think i might go, if i can find someone or someones who want to go with me. It's only 90 mins by train from here. Thanks for the link

Mr. G
03-09-03, 06:34 PM
Another rally organized by the Communist Party & PETA?

Another .004% of the human race playing it up like they're 40%?

I stand in defense of your Right to speak your minds, but I won't stand in defense of your pretenses.

Knock 'em silly!

hypewaders
03-09-03, 06:48 PM
There are COMMUNISTS organising this march!!!

Oh nooooooo!

Look, try and revive the Red Scare if you want to. It's comforting to see that you are running out of arguments, and resorting to fearful demagoguery.

Response from ANSWER (http://www.internationalanswer.org/news/update/020203unite.html):

"Those who claim that A.N.S.W.E.R. is a "front" demonstrate their own racist and elitist perception of reality. Oddly invisible to them is the role of the various communities and organizations, including Arab Americans, African Americans, Korean Americans, Filipino Americans, Latinos, faith-based and solidarity groups who clearly have a central leadership role in organizing A.N.S.W.E.R. and carrying out the actions of the past year.

That there are socialists or Marxists in the peace movement is neither a shock, nor a matter for repudiation. There are also Democrats, Republicans, Greens, anarchists, independents, and people with no party affiliation, and everyone is welcome. This is a united front of opposition that is becoming a big problem for the administration -- hence the stepped up demonization and red-baiting, particularly after successful mass actions.

...The point of the associational red-baiting and smear campaign is to warn all of us who are coming out into the streets, many who have found public voice for the first time and are empowered by the strength of their actions, that what we think we experienced is tainted, that we are dupes of some hidden hand and should go back inside. These are the identical mechanisms that were used by the government to try to destroy the labor movement of the thirties and forties and the civil rights and anti-war movements of the fifties, sixties and seventies. (Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was labeled a "communist sympathizer.") "

Mr. G
03-09-03, 07:38 PM
**Yawn**

So you can link to prepared talking points.

Nothing like needing that little voice wispering into your ear, "Think this. Say this."

hypewaders
03-09-03, 07:45 PM
More empty accusations. What voice? Think what? Say what?

Mr. G
03-09-03, 07:47 PM
Ah, I'm flattered -- imitation-wise. :D

thecurly1
03-09-03, 07:59 PM
Nice job having an anti-war rally 2 DAYS BEFORE THE WAR WILL START! Ooopsy, a little late on that one guys.

LOL!:D

immane1
03-09-03, 08:03 PM
Nenar,
It makes me sad to see that people like you fail to understand that certain people like Sadamn only respond to force. They are no more advanced than your average schoolyard bully.

Our troops need our support, not our protests. They are going to war at this point whether you protest or not, so why not spend your time more effectively.

hypewaders
03-09-03, 08:11 PM
"Ooopsy, a little late on that one guys."
You think the world will stop resisting recklessness during the war and occupation?

Mr. G
03-09-03, 08:14 PM
Resist? Like in dogs barking at a passing parade?

hypewaders
03-09-03, 08:14 PM
"Our troops need our support, not our protests."
I support our troops. I want them alive, in good morale, and well equipped when a real, not trumped-up threat to America requires their commitment.

hypewaders
03-09-03, 08:15 PM
Mr. G. are you only capable of epithets, or can you develop an intelligent argument?

immane1
03-09-03, 08:17 PM
I fail to see how protesting is good for moral.

immane1
03-09-03, 08:21 PM
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hypewaders
03-09-03, 08:28 PM
Do you think that the US armed forces emerged from the Vietnam experience with good morale? The sooner America extricates itself from a debacle in the Middle East, the better it will be for morale and readiness.

These Americans (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18451&highlight=Americas+most+highly+decorated) are not undermining the morale of our troops.

immane1
03-09-03, 08:32 PM
You mean, before or after the protesters spit on them and called them "baby killers".

hypewaders
03-09-03, 08:38 PM
"the protesters spit on them and called them "baby killers".
Some did, counterproductively. That didn't change the fact that Vietnam was a foreign policy disaster, and it was shortened by public dissent, in spite of a small minority protesters who acted inappropriately. You may recall four protesters were killed by gunfire when guardsmen similarly lost composure- that doesn't mean the entire armed forces were trigger-happy bloodthirsty murderers, or even that the entire military consisted of armedbut scared and poorly-trained, poorly-briefed teenagers.

Mr. G
03-09-03, 08:43 PM
....can you develop an intelligent argument?
Sure, but it will take some wasted effort to dumb it down for your needs.

hypewaders
03-09-03, 08:44 PM
Can you make an effort?

Mr. G
03-09-03, 08:51 PM
Yes, I can.

Would it matter?

hypewaders
03-09-03, 08:52 PM
I don't know. Are you persuasive?

Mr. G
03-09-03, 08:55 PM
Persuasion requires a willing participant.

I doubt you fit the profile.

hypewaders
03-09-03, 08:59 PM
Persuasiveness changes dissenting opinions. Prejudice dismisses them, and is impotent.

Mr. G
03-09-03, 09:03 PM
Thank you for your dismissive.

hypewaders
03-10-03, 08:09 AM
Company G ... dismissed!

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