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German engineers seized in Iraq



Two German engineers have been kidnapped in northern Iraq, police say.

The men were taken early on Tuesday from the house they were staying in at detergent plant near the large refinery in Baiji.

Police believe they were taken north to Mosul. Road blocks were set up but failed to find the men.

Baiji, 180km (110 miles) north of Baghdad, has seen much insurgent activity aimed at disrupting oil distribution in recent months.

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Greedy bastards, not happy with invading all of europe, now there invading the middle east, i hope the muslim terroists hang them up by there swazstickers, then cut there nazi sausages off.

What were 2 nazi engineers doing in eden (iraq) anyway, building gas chambers.

What? What the hell are you talking about? Just because their german doesnt make them Nazis you ignorant fool. There is absolutly no talk what-so-ever of them being Nazis.Do you think every german is a nazi?

I find it hard to discover the motive behind such a thread, surely you are taking the piss? Or rather more along your lines, shit stiring to create a 'hate' thread-as usual.

john smith's right. this thread should be closed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4642270.stm

Last Updated: Tuesday, 24 January 2006, 08:23 GMT


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German engineers seized in Iraq



Two German engineers have been kidnapped in northern Iraq, police say.

The men were taken early on Tuesday from the house they were staying in at detergent plant near the large refinery in Baiji.



What were 2 nazi engineers doing in eden (iraq) anyway, building gas chambers.

Wow! Talk about propaganda!!!!!!!!

They were engineers for heaven's sake! Probably working at that refinery. Incidentally, there are people of ALL nationalities employed there. British as well. Does that make them some sort of undesirable group also?????? Egad!

What? What the hell are you talking about? Just because their german doesnt make them Nazis you ignorant fool. There is absolutly no talk what-so-ever of them being Nazis.Do you think every german is a nazi?

I find it hard to discover the motive behind such a thread, surely you are taking the piss? Or rather more along your lines, shit stiring to create a 'hate' thread-as usual.
If there german there nazis, how do you know they could be adolph hitlers grandchildren, my grand dad died fighting german scum, my mother was sent away up country for saftey, true brits will never forgive or forget the nazi germans, ever seen the german fawlty towers episode with john cleese, the most popular episode, and he took the pisss out of germans through out the episode, and the british people lapped it up, because the majority of us have never forgiven them, 2 world wars they started, THEY ALSO INVENTED THE NUCLEAR BOMB, THE VERY THING THAT WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT US, hiroshama the germans are responsible for that, because without german scientists there would have been no nuclear bomb.

Only a pure evil country could invent such a sick bomb, 2 world wars 5 million jews gassed, 20 million russians killed, & you say forgive and forget, get real there is still nazis in germany today, you call me a racist, germans are the biggest out there, muslim immigrants in germany there flats are burned down, and if they still had working gas chambers no doubt they would be gassing the immigrants in there.

The motive is simple to show like most brits, we dont give a toss about german lives, they bombed our country to fuck, they put our economy in a recession lasting nearly 20 years, we were still rationing fucking food 5years after the war, they destroyed our empire, and made us into a weak country.

MEANWHILE US ALONG WITH THE AMERICANS, REBUILD GERMANY INTO THE POWERHOUSE OF EUROPE, WHILE MY COUNTRY STARVED.

we also had a massive financial debt to repay to america, which broke us, before america even came in the war, the americans were selling aall the militaary supplies to us, they were not freebies.


John ask your parents about the germans they might educate you better, about your heritage.

go home vincent,you may find someone who is willing to listen to your crap.

John ask your parents about the germans they might educate you better, about your heritage.
My heritage, you ignorant prick stems from germany.My great grandmother and grandfather were exterminated in Auschwitz concentration camp, my grandfather managed to escape to Bitain, and there he stayed as a refugee. So if anyone has reason to 'hate' the germans, its me.However,anyone with an ounce of sense can realise that not all germans are nazis, many german jews were killed by germans, yet they were german citizens.Does that make them nazis? You really are retarded if you think this is true.

Vince, take kenworths advice and go home. :)

go home vincent,you may find someone who is willing to listen to your crap.
Yes and germany also changed britain into a country of race ghettoes, hundreds of thousands of brits pissed of to Oz after world war 2 britain was broke , the australians offered them money & housing, the brits then imported hundreds of thousands of immigrants, now in london we have white ghettoes, black ghettoes, asian ghettoes, white schools, black schools, asian schools.

Tell me kenworth if britain is muticultural & accepts different colours with open arms, why do we choose to live in our own colour ghettoes, why are the vast amount of schools keeping the same colour with the same colour kid.

what happened with britain after the war has changed it forever, the race riots we have had, the terroism, london is called londistan after afghanistan.

Countries can absorb immigrants from different races easily, if its done the natural way over time, we were forced to absorb hundreds of thousands, because of the germans, and that is something britain has never dealt with.

Dont take me as a racist, its a fact in the uk, if you are not white, you will probably never get a job, its not something i agree with, but its a fact.

I can supply you with bbc links on the problems in the uk, how are schools are not mixed enough, the different colour ghettoes in the uk.

These are facts not fiction, and germany put us in this position.

SO, what your saying a jewish person from germany is a nazi?

Complete BULLSHIT

My heritage, you ignorant prick stems from germany.My great grandmother and grandfather were exterminated in Auschwitz concentration camp, my grandfather managed to escape to Bitain, and there he stayed as a refugee. So if anyone has reason to 'hate' the germans, its me.However,anyone with an ounce of sense can realise that not all germans are nazis, many german jews were killed by germans, yet they were german citizens.Does that make them nazis? You really are retarded if you think this is true.

Vince, take kenworths advice and go home. :)
Funny ken i talk to my nephews & nieces, brothers, cousins they all hate the germans too, my family must be the only one in the UK then.

Just because you can turn the other cheek to be slapped again, does not mean i have too



So john i am not the only one in the uk hating the germans, our newspapers do, & most of our population does, who is the odd man out, you are john.....



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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/647693.stm

columnist AA Gill: "Let's be honest," he said, "we all hate the Germans."

"Meanwhile British newspapers and quite a few politicians warn about the rise of the 4th Reich."

The iraq war, the problems with iran over nuclear weapons & maybe a world war there involving nukes someday soon, the north korean nuts, all this can be traced back to german scientists inventing nuclear bombs for the americans & russians, you might say we might have done it on our own, somehow i dont think we were ever evil enough to develope these weapons, only twisted nazi minds could build these weapons.

Funny ken i talk to my nephews & nieces, brothers, cousins they all hate the germans too, my family must be the only one in the UK then.

Just because you can turn the other cheek to be slapped again, does not mean i have too

So john i am not the only one in the uk hating the germans, our newspapers do, & most of our population does, who is the odd man out, you are john.....

Most of the population hates us? I'm 100% full blooded German and I just got accepted into three UK universities - visited two of them and the people there absolutely love me.

Think about it you ignorant little dick, I was born in 1984...what the hell does that have to do with Nazi Germany?!?! I don't give a damn about the Nazi's and had nothing to do with those bastards. But you seem to operate of their level of hatred.

And yes, I'm proud to be a German and I'm proud of my country being the #1 exporter in the world. I'm proud of our rich scientific history and as having the best engineers in the world. I'm proud to say we are hosting the World Cup 2006 and that we make some of the best cars period.

You should stop complaining and start worrying about more important things...things that actually could matter. This is now (200-fucking 6)...this is not 1945. The people that lived then are slowly but surely dying out and there are few left.

You are wrong for manipulating the news article headline into making it fit your radical and fanatical views. Having those views is one thing that I tolerate...since I am for univeral tolerance and acceptance, but saying two nazi's were captured in Iraq when this is not the case is extremely pathetic on any level when considering intelligence and virtue.

Keep fantasizing about your dreams of being nighted by the Queen. I'm pretty sure Her Majesty is more of an intellectual that you. Think about it.

Nazis "engineered" the Holocaust, therefore German civilian engineers are Nazis.

Brilliant!

- N

Nazis "engineered" the Holocaust, therefore German civilian engineers are Nazis.

Brilliant!

- N
Brilliant deduction holmes, you have figured out the equation too.

Most of the population hates us? I'm 100% full blooded German and I just got accepted into three UK universities - visited two of them and the people there absolutely love me.

Think about it you ignorant little dick, I was born in 1984...what the hell does that have to do with Nazi Germany?!?! I don't give a damn about the Nazi's and had nothing to do with those bastards. But you seem to operate of their level of hatred.

And yes, I'm proud to be a German and I'm proud of my country being the #1 exporter in the world. I'm proud of our rich scientific history and as having the best engineers in the world. I'm proud to say we are hosting the World Cup 2006 and that we make some of the best cars period.

You should stop complaining and start worrying about more important things...things that actually could matter. This is now (200-fucking 6)...this is not 1945. The people that lived then are slowly but surely dying out and there are few left.

You are wrong for manipulating the news article headline into making it fit your radical and fanatical views. Having those views is one thing that I tolerate...since I am for univeral tolerance and acceptance, but saying two nazi's were captured in Iraq when this is not the case is extremely pathetic on any level when considering intelligence and virtue.


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/647693.stm

columnist AA Gill: "Let's be honest," he said, "we all hate the Germans."

"Meanwhile British newspapers and quite a few politicians warn about the rise of the 4th Reich."




just because people to your face say nice things, does not mean they are not calling you a nazi behind your back, what you expect britains to walk up to you and say i hate germans, we are more polite than that.

I have shown you a bbc link of what uk newspapers & its people think of germans do you deny reality.

Orginally posted by vincent28uk:
THEY ALSO INVENTED THE NUCLEAR BOMB, THE VERY THING THAT WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT US, hiroshama the germans are responsible for that, because without german scientists there would have been no nuclear bomb.

I guess we must completely discount the work of J. Robert Oppenheimer, who ran the whole operation, or Harold C Urey, who discovered an extraction system for enrichment, or Ernest O Lawrence, who created the cyclotron which involved the magnetic seperation of isotopes. Even Teller was Hungarian!!!! So I guess you believe all the work goes back to Einstein then?

just because people to your face say nice things, does not mean they are not calling you a nazi behind your back, what you expect britains to walk up to you and say i hate germans, we are more polite than that.

I have shown you a bbc link of what uk newspapers & its people think of germans do you deny reality.

One, this article is over half a decade old!

Two, this guy - Matt Frei - was born a German....he is NOT a british individual so you cannot say this article was written from the perspective of an English man.

Three, this columnist AA Gill - I have looked him up and read his entire article on where that quote comes from. His quote is actually a year older than this BBC article. You seem to absolutely love this guy's one statement.

1. He is a critic...hmmm, of course. It's their job to critize to a point that is above normal.

BTW, the FULL quote from him goes like:

"For we all hate the Germans – come on, it’s all right, admit it, we’re all agreed, we hate them. Of course we don’t hate them individually, one at a time they’re fine, thoughtful, polite, cultured – above all, cultured. But collectively, in columns, we hate them."

Last time I checked, one man's statement is not an underlying reason to believe it is true. Ok, sorry, I forgot about you. That makes two now.

Can't you find me something a little more "up-to-date"? I'm truly sorry your country is suffering so much while my country continues to exhibit a high standard of living.

I find it hilarious how Merkel made Blair look like an idiot at the recent EU sumit in Brussels. Why don't you guys stop whining over there? Is that a "british" thing to do or something? Grow up you little guy.

One, this article is over half a decade old!

Two, this guy - Matt Frei - was born a German....he is NOT a british individual so you cannot say this article was written from the perspective of an English man.

Three, this columnist AA Gill - I have looked him up and read his entire article on where that quote comes from. His quote is actually a year older than this BBC article. You seem to absolutely love this guy's one statement.

1. He is a critic...hmmm, of course. It's their job to critize to a point that is above normal.

BTW, the FULL quote from him goes like:

"For we all hate the Germans – come on, it’s all right, admit it, we’re all agreed, we hate them. Of course we don’t hate them individually, one at a time they’re fine, thoughtful, polite, cultured – above all, cultured. But collectively, in columns, we hate them."

Last time I checked, one man's statement is not an underlying reason to believe it is true. Ok, sorry, I forgot about you. That makes two now.

Can't you find me something a little more "up-to-date"? I'm truly sorry your country is suffering so much while my country continues to exhibit a high standard of living.

I find it hilarious how Merkel made Blair look like an idiot at the recent EU sumit in Brussels. Why don't you guys stop whining over there? Is that a "british" thing to do or something? Grow up you little guy.

You say you are german living in the uk, then you must be aware that everytime germany plays england at football the newspapers portray it as us going to war with them, as do the brits, newspapers are good at saying what is on all british minds, they dont have to be politically correct, the british newspapers call the french & germans all the time, this is because they know the brits do not like the french or german people that is a fact, today the french hate thing is more reported, because of our ongoing bust ups with the french.


Most brits dont like europe fullstop, if we could vote on getting out of europe, we would be out in a week, we have common family roots with americans, australians, canadians, new zealanders, we dont have any links with europe, apart from wars, war after bloody war with them.

You can keep your wars in europe, i have no doubt russia will be invading europe in the future, because of there oil & gas money, and its all going to there heads, & no doubt britain will be dragged into another fucking european war, we dont want it & we dont want europe.

Vincent, you're nuts. I'm Jewish, and much of the family from Poland died in the holocaust, and I had a German girlfriend, met her parents, they met mine, visited there twice, hung out with German friends, learned some German. By far the majority of them are not Nazis, not even the soldiers who fought in WWII.

(your pecker knows no bigotry)

(your pecker knows no bigotry)

That's cause he needs a good ol' Jewish circumcision so his lil head can peek out and see the world better. ;)

- N

You're a complete ignorant fuckhead Vincent. I'm a German born Brit. Don't paint todays people by those of yesterdays. You forget who first gassed the Kurds in Iraq. A certain Mr. Churchill. Now go away and shave your head some more.

Anyway, it's very strange that they took German engineers. Iraqi insurgents don't consider German's to be their enemy as Germany was against the war and they see them as only trying to help. Any German military force is there purely to protect the German engineers. I recall one incident where a German convoy came under fire killing some members of the Heer. An apology was sent to Germany as they mistook the convoy for an American one.

Vincent, you're nuts. I'm Jewish, and much of the family from Poland died in the holocaust, and I had a German girlfriend, met her parents, they met mine, visited there twice, hung out with German friends, learned some German. By far the majority of them are not Nazis, not even the soldiers who fought in WWII.

(your pecker knows no bigotry)

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The Sunday Times January 16, 2005
Germans ‘sick of Nazi reminders’

MOST Germans would prefer to forget the Holocaust and are tired of hearing about Nazi crimes during the Third Reich, according to a poll released just before the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, writes Justin Sparks.

Some 62% of the 3,000 people questioned by researchers from the University of Bielefeld agreed they were “sick of all the harping on about German crimes against the Jews”.

Most said they wished to consign their country’s Nazi past to the history books. Well over half also thought there were too many foreigners living in Germany.

The poll horrified Lord Janner, a spokesman for British survivors of Auschwitz. “It’s appalling,” he said. “It raises fears that the current generation are not ready to pass on the history and lessons learnt from those events to their children.”

Political analysts believe the findings reflect a growing feeling among younger Germans that they have atoned sufficiently for their grandparents’ crimes and now have the right to bury the past. Their attitude has been fuelled in part by books and documentaries showing the destruction caused by Allied second world war bombing raids.

“This trend began with revisionist historians telling Germans they were really the victims of the war rather than its perpetrators,” said Abraham Cooper, dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

The poll also highlights anti-Israeli feeling in Germany. More than two-thirds said they believed that Israel was waging “a war of extermination” against the Palestinians.





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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1442127,00.html


http://www.exeter.ac.uk/german/abinitio/whygerm1.html

British comments about Germany

Hugo Young
(The Guardian) "British public people, whether journalists or politicians, are more prepared to demonise the Germans than any other people I know are prepared to vilify any other nation I have heard of, with the possible exception of Arabs and Jews."

AA Gill
(Sunday Times) "Admit it, we all hate the Germans."

Rik Mayall
(comedian) "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Euro!"
(in an anti-euro camapign video)

Dennis Skinner
(Labour MP) "The Germans are getting too big for their jackboots."

Daily Star "Let's Blitz Fritz!"
Julie Burchill

(The Guardian) "Any war which finds us on the same side as the Luftwaffe is an absolute disgrace."
(On NATO's intervention in Serbia)


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If i am a racist then british politicians & all our newspapers are too, i have said what is on british minds about the german people, we have never forgiven them for dragging us into 2 world wars, & bankrupting our country, and destroying our empire.



"The poll also highlights anti-Israeli feeling in Germany. More than two-thirds said they believed that Israel was waging “a war of extermination” against the Palestinians. "


It seems to me there is still massive anti jewish feeling in germany, two thirds siding with the Palestinians, you will never get those statistics in britain, we see the Palestinians as terroists.

so this jew hating still goes on in germany today, who then are the racists.

You're a complete ignorant fuckhead Vincent. I'm a German born Brit. Don't paint todays people by those of yesterdays. You forget who first gassed the Kurds in Iraq. A certain Mr. Churchill. Now go away and shave your head some more.

Anyway, it's very strange that they took German engineers. Iraqi insurgents don't consider German's to be their enemy as Germany was against the war and they see them as only trying to help. Any German military force is there purely to protect the German engineers. I recall one incident where a German convoy came under fire killing some members of the Heer. An apology was sent to Germany as they mistook the convoy for an American one.
Hugo Young

(The Guardian newspaper) "British public people, whether journalists or politicians, are more prepared to demonise the Germans than any other people I know are prepared to vilify any other nation I have heard of, with the possible exception of Arabs and Jews."

AA Gill
(Sunday Times newspaper) "Admit it, we all hate the Germans."

Rik Mayall
(comedian) "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Euro!"
(in an anti-euro camapign video)

Dennis Skinner
(Labour MP) "The Germans are getting too big for their jackboots."

Daily Star newspaper "Let's Blitz Fritz!"
Julie Burchill

(The Guardian newspaper) "Any war which finds us on the same side as the Luftwaffe is an absolute disgrace."
(On NATO's intervention in Serbia)


It seems i am not alone in my thoughts on germany, do you choose to ignore that reality, you see i dont ignore reality i usually side with the majority, not the minority, and every damn newspaper in the uk to this day is racist about germany, as are our politicians & our people.


And if you are german please explain why your fellow germans are siding against the jews again in palestine, bucking the trend of other western countries who see them as terroists.

In Goofyfish's absence I feel compelled to put this up:

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/1003/sassapnts/trollnofeed.jpg

In Goofyfish's absence I feel compelled to put this up:


I see you have ignored the proof of the hostility towards germans in britain today, i have proven to you i am not the minority, but the majority who express these views.

you have also failed to answer why germany is the only western country, who is siding with the palestine people, when all other western countries see them as terroists, i have shown you a poll on german feelings towards israel.

you have also failed to answer why germany is the only western country, who is siding with the palestine people, when all other western countries see them as terroists, i have shown you a poll on german feelings towards israel.
Because Germany is finally seeing a path to peace in the middle east: compromise between Israel and Palestine.

So john i am not the only one in the uk hating the germans, our newspapers do, & most of our population does, who is the odd man out, you are john.....

Yes, i and i can live with being 'the odd man out', however, and not suprisingly, im not.

Since you posted (the above quote) many people, with similar situations and views on this ridiculous topic have posted 'in league' with me, against you and proving that infact, i am not the 'odd one out'.

Use your brain you fucking moron retard, cant you see you are 'fighting' a losing battle?Vincent, fuck off.

:m:

Yes, i and i can live with being 'the odd man out', however, and not suprisingly, im not.

Since you posted (the above quote) many people, with similar situations and views on this ridiculous topic have posted 'in league' with me, against you and proving that infact, i am not the 'odd one out'.

Use your brain you fucking moron retard, cant you see you are 'fighting' a losing battle,Vincent, fuck off.

:m:
Exeter university

http://www.exeter.ac.uk/german/abinitio/whygerm1.html

By 1995, poll results suggested that only 10% of Britons "trusted" the Germans with a massive 35% indicating that they had "no trust at all" in the Federal Republic.


In 1977, 23% of people believed in 1977 that National Socialism could one day return in Germany. By 1995, this percentage had more than doubled to 53%.





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I see john i give you british views, and your proof is a few german posters, & a few germans born in england, lol.

I see john i give you british views, and your proof is a few german posters, & a few germans born in england, lol.

I am neither a German poster, or a German born in england.You seem entirely driven to prove to the populous at sciforums, that the entire British population are racist, bigot nationalists, hating and disgusted with 'everything german', well i will not let you do this.

Vincent, you are highly facistic in your own way, a racist bigot that certainly does not belong here.

Quit now.

I am neither a German poster, or a German born in england.You seem entirely driven to prove to the populous at sciforums, that the entire British population are racist, bigot nationalists, hating and disgusted with 'everything german', well i will not let you do this.

Vincent, you are highly facistic in your own way, a racist bigot that certainly does not belong here.

Quit now.
As you choose to deny every newspaper in britain racist comments about germans, and you deny polls of british people, showing there own dislike of germans.
then you must also deny the earth is round, and you choose to believe it is flat.


John this is a left wing forum, not a right wing one, i am sure even you can grasp that, there are about 5 right wingers in this entire forum, do you deny that also.

And as i am not name calling you, you must be the bigot & true racist here, as you are insulting me with your every post, does that not make you a extremist too, just because a person does not agree with you, that is not a reason to vent anger against them, you claim to be british, than you must also be aware of freedom of speech, without some extremist calling you retard, or to fuck off.

You my friend are the extremist & racist not me, i can express myself without anger or insulting people, something you are sadly lacking in.

[QUOTE=vincent28uk]

Tell me kenworth if britain is muticultural & accepts different colours with open arms, why do we choose to live in our own colour ghettoes, why are the vast amount of schools keeping the same colour with the same colour kid.


Dont take me as a racist, its a fact in the uk, if you are not white, you will probably never get a job, its not something i agree with, but its a fact.

I can supply you with bbc links on the problems in the uk, how are schools are not mixed enough, the different colour ghettoes in the uk.

QUOTE]

i could come up with counter arguements but its really not worth my time.

VUK
Britain became 'great', by fucking over every country in their empire and siphoning off their wealth back to the motherland. After the war, they allowed all the people they'd fucked over (the commonwealth) to come and work in Britain, because Britain was truly fucked by then.

The immigrants knew how to work hard and helped England back on its feet, to the point that it became a major player again, so, say THANK YOU to the foreigners!

John Cleese, in his classic sketch, was taking the piss out of ignorant people like YOU. Basil Fawlty is a caricature of a Great British Madman!

VUK
Britain became 'great', by fucking over every country in their empire and siphoning off their wealth back to the motherland. After the war, they allowed all the people they'd fucked over (the commonwealth) to come and work in Britain, because Britain was truly fucked by then.

The immigrants knew how to work hard and helped England back on its feet, to the point that it became a major player again, so, say THANK YOU to the foreigners!

John Cleese, in his classic sketch, was taking the piss out of ignorant people like YOU. Basil Fawlty is a caricature of a Great British Madman!

You know, it's probably never occured to him that even if he is in the majority, the majority has been wrong many, many times.

You know, it's probably never occured to him that even if he is in the majority, the majority has been wrong many, many times.
Yes & the minority are always wrong 99% of the time, thats why they are called the minority with views, democracy is about the majority, not the minority.

i have clearly shown with my polls & views of british people, british newspapers, & politicians, that the british do not like germany!!!!!!!

If a country like russia invade germany, do you honestly think the british people would fight for germany, we would fight for holland, sweden, the swiss, but germany we would not piss on them if they were on fire.

Hey i have nothing against the japenese, i respect them, and bloody like them, there culture is quite different from the west, they blindly followed there emperor as was there duty to the death, to the last man if need be.

Germans had no such suicide culture of following there leaders down the road of madness, germans had choices all the way to stop it, the japenese people did not, respect is everthing in japan to royalty.

There is & has never been respect shown for western leaders, to that degree, germany chose its path, as a nation, japan did not.

Yes & the minority are always wrong 99% of the time, thats why they are called the minority with views, democracy is about the majority, not the minority.

So, you believe that all Germans in WW2 were Nazis thus they were the majority. So you think that this majority of Germans is correct?

I'm afraid you are a minority no matter how much you like to think otherwise. The only anti-German feelings come from the working class who have no clue as to how the Germany of today even works. You're still stuck in that immature mentallity that all Germans are bad based on an old grudge. You have absolutely no idea as to what the hell you are on about. And I'm sure the third of our armed forces actually stationed in Germany and have been since 1945 wouldn't fight for Germany if ordered to. I mean the whole reason they were there was to act as a deterrant against the potential invasion from the Soviets. Now, we wouldn't want our lads in the armed forces doing their job now would we. Oh no. That would be wrong. I mean of course, our lads in the forces there disdain working alongside the members of the Bundeswehr and would never dream of doing so willingly :rolleyes:

It seems like your whole grasp on the situation comes from tabloid newspapers found in small segments between what celebrity is dating whom and which politicians banged a prostitute last night.

If you even understood the situation you would of course realise that Nazism is infact illegal in the Federal Republic and anything related to it is outlawed. Hell, Swaztikas are removed from all copies of WW2 games in Germany. You can be arrested for doing the mock "heil Hitler" salute we Brits seem so fond of doing. So the chance of the Germans reverting back to national socialism like your "statistics" say is impossible.

If you've ever spoken to anyone from Germany today you would know how much they resent their older generation for what they've done and for the fact they have to put up with complete fuckups like you always putting these people down for simply being born within certain borders.

I'm ashamed to call myself British because of people like you. You fucking make me sick and you make me seriously question my career choice if I have to defend people like you.

So, you believe that all Germans in WW2 were Nazis thus they were the majority. So you think that this majority of Germans is correct?

I'm afraid you are a minority no matter how much you like to think otherwise. The only anti-German feelings come from the working class


AA Gill
(Sunday Times) "Admit it, we all hate the Germans."


Dennis Skinner
(Labour MP) "The Germans are getting too big for their jackboots."


(The Guardian) "Any war which finds us on the same side as the Luftwaffe is an absolute disgrace."
(On NATO's intervention in Serbia)

Hugo Young
(The Guardian) "British public people, whether journalists or politicians, are more prepared to demonise the Germans than any other people I know are prepared to vilify any other nation I have heard of, with the possible exception of Arabs and Jews."






So you are saying the sunday times is a working class newspaper LOL, and the guardian too double LOL, a working class man would only wipe there bums with these newspapers, these 2 newspapers are read by polkiticians, and the elite of britain.

and these are quotes from the upperclass papers, imagine what the working class newspapers say about the germans,


"By 1995, poll results suggested that only 10% of Britons "trusted" the Germans with a massive 35% indicating that they had "no trust at all" in the Federal Republic."


1 in 10 people trust germans in the uk, do you think thats normal, i dont, if they asked the uk people if they trusted terroist, i have no doubt the figures would be the same 1 in 10, are you grasping how brits feel about germans.

Germans would prefer to forget the Holocaust and are tired of hearing about Nazi crimes during the Third Reich, according to a poll released just before the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, writes Justin Sparks.

This is exactly right. Of course we are tired from hearing about it and from carrying it on our backs where ever we go. We are new generation Germans and should not suffer because our grandfathers did bad things.

Some 62% of the 3,000 people questioned by researchers from the University of Bielefeld agreed they were “sick of all the harping on about German crimes against the Jews”.

Yep. I am one of them.

The poll horrified Lord Janner, a spokesman for British survivors of Auschwitz. “It’s appalling,” he said. “It raises fears that the current generation are not ready to pass on the history and lessons learnt from those events to their children.”

What does that mean to "pass on the history and lessons learnt? We teach our children a proper and accurate account of Germany's history and they learn. We DO NOT say things like: "Children, because of the horrible things our country has done, we will need to continue to kiss Jewish ass, keep saying sorry to France, Britain, Poland, Russia, etc year after year after year." One does not choose where he or she is born, just like you didn't choose....did you? What if you were born a German? You, OF COURSE would argue this point as well. That just shows us who you really are and that you lack the ability to think "outside" of your nationality.

Political analysts believe the findings reflect a growing feeling among younger Germans that they have atoned sufficiently for their grandparents’ crimes and now have the right to bury the past.

It's exactly that, our grandparents' crimes, not our own. Why bury that past? The word "past" is already self-explanatory. Past is not now. We learn our past, we take lessons learned, but we DO NOT keep the past as present. So in a way, we do not have to bury it...the past buries itself.

The poll also highlights anti-Israeli feeling in Germany. More than two-thirds said they believed that Israel was waging “a war of extermination” against the Palestinians.

Yeah, because Jews keep reminding us germans what we did and are constantly whining about it. We live in a much different world today and these things should be dropped. Remembered, learned in school and never forgotten, but should be kept in the past.

Attention: It is no longer a current issue! This is not 1945.

This is exactly right. Of course we are tired from hearing about it and from carrying it on our backs where ever we go. We are new generation Germans and should not suffer because our grandfathers did bad things.



Yep. I am one of them.



What does that mean to "pass on the history and lessons learnt? We teach our children a proper and accurate account of Germany's history and they learn. We DO NOT say things like: "Children, because of the horrible things our country has done, we will need to continue to kiss Jewish ass, keep saying sorry to France, Britain, Poland, Russia, etc year after year after year." One does not choose where he or she is born, just like you didn't choose....did you? What if you were born a German? You, OF COURSE would argue this point as well. That just shows us who you really are and that you lack the ability to think "outside" of your nationality.



It's exactly that, our grandparents' crimes, not our own. Why bury that past? The word "past" is already self-explanatory. Past is not now. We learn our past, we take lessons learned, but we DO NOT keep the past as present. So in a way, we do not have to bury it...the past buries itself.



Yeah, because Jews keep reminding us germans what we did and are constantly whining about it. We live in a much different world today and these things should be dropped. Remembered, learned in school and never forgotten, but should be kept in the past.

Attention: It is no longer a current issue! This is not 1945.


the war will be over, when your country pays back the billions we spent on pathetic wars to keep your german ego's in check, how about compensation, britain would be the richest country in europe today, if it was not for your war mongering country,



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http://www.exeter.ac.uk/german/abinitio/whygerm1.html

in July 2003, four 13-year-old schoolchildren in Cardiff greeted their German teacher with a Hitler salute and racist remarks.
His impressions were confirmed by a recent survey of 10-16 year old British schoolchildren which asked the question - "What do you associate with Germany?" 78% of them said "World War II" and 50% mentioned Hitler. A 1998 survey of British schoolchildren put Hitler at the top of the list of the 10 most famous Germans with 68% of the vote.
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the above is what british kids, a new generation think of germans, just imagine what adults think of germans.
if young kids can be so anti-german at a early age, does that not tell you how my country loathes germany.


"a recent survey of 10-16 year old British schoolchildren which asked the question "
"What do you associate with Germany?" 78% of them said "World War II"

This is the only thing you guys are famous for in britain.

And I guess everything else they've contributed to us is forgotten? Like the engines in our planes, the cars we drive or even the guns used by our police and SAS? Or how about Heckler and Koch recently improving our SA80s to save our troops lives? How about the fact that English is based on German, Latin and various romance languages? or the fact that our own damned royal family is part German? What about the beer we drink? The food we eat?

Sure WW2 was bad and no-one should forget about it. But blaming the people of today for the actions of the past is unjust. That's like the damned Africans blaming you and I for killing all them Zulus.

You are giving us Brits a bad name. You make it seem that we're all racist barbarians. Only those without a clue are.

And I guess everything else they've contributed to us is forgotten? Like the engines in our planes

Sir Henry Royce. (source), Died 22 Apr 1933 (born 27 Mar 1863) (Baronet) English
industrialist who, with Charles Rolls, founded Rolls-Royce Ltd. (1906),


Rolls-Royce build most engines for british planes, Rolls-Royce was founded by 2 brits, not 2 germans, the company may be owned by germans now, but dont claim they invented things, Rolls-Royce engines have been out for decades, long before the germans bought Rolls-Royce.


I dont need to go through the rest of your claims, if the first is false.

You're one deluded son of a bitch

You're one deluded son of a bitch
And your someone who avoids reality, are you saying rolls royce was not founded by the brits, boeing & rolls royce make 95% of all engines for british planes, germany took over rolls royce in the late 80's or 90's, germany has contributed nothing to britain.

p.s. unless you consider german beer a contribution.

I'm not going to waste any more time on you. You're a lost cause and someone who is only embarrasing themself further. Where did I even mention Rolls Royce? You're living in a dream world. One conjured up by inaccurate and vauge statistics from scandal sheets. You have no grounds for any of this except your own racist thoughts. I've always hoped humanity would have moved past this stage but you're a bane on society.

Grow up.

What about the autobahn? Everyone copied that. Also, rockets.

I'm not going to waste any more time on you. You're a lost cause and someone who is only embarrasing themself further. Where did I even mention Rolls Royce? You're living in a dream world. One conjured up by inaccurate and vauge statistics from scandal sheets. You have no grounds for any of this except your own racist thoughts. I've always hoped humanity would have moved past this stage but you're a bane on society.

Grow up.
You said germany is building engines for british planes, i know of only 2 famous
companies who build jet engines, they are rolls royce, and boeing, the latter is a american company, rolls royce was a british founded company taken over by the germans in the late 80's or 90's.

Any idiot can own a company, but to say that idiot is the brains behind the inventions, and the designs is stupid.

if you were not referring to rolls royce LOL, what pray tell is the name of the german company building plane engines for the brits.

Christ we invented the harrier jet, we built the engines for concorde, we dont need german engines, unless you are talking about toy planes here, i may concede the germans are the master designers of engines for toy planes in the uk LOL.

One conjured up by inaccurate and vauge statistics from scandal sheets. You have no grounds for any of this except your own racist thoughts.

Grow up.
"vauge statistics from scandal sheets"

What the times & the guardian newspapers, there hardly scandal sheets, a working class man would not be seen dead reading them.

Exeter university is my source, hardly a racist site, they are studying why the brits hate germany so much.


"inaccurate"
what the kids who took part in the polls, were under the influence of german beer, & all the newspaper front page headlines hating germany, were all misprints.


I think you have a hard time excepting the truth & reality.

Using my very own terminology, your 'bang on'. :D

You said germany is building engines for british planes, i know of only 2 famous
companies who build jet engines, they are rolls royce, and boeing, the latter is a american company, rolls royce was a british founded company taken over by the germans in the late 80's or 90's.

Any idiot can own a company, but to say that idiot is the brains behind the inventions, and the designs is stupid.

if you were not referring to rolls royce LOL, what pray tell is the name of the german company building plane engines for the brits.

Christ we invented the harrier jet, we built the engines for concorde, we dont need german engines, unless you are talking about toy planes here, i may concede the germans are the master designers of engines for toy planes in the uk LOL.


Go back and read his post moron. He was referring to the fact we Germans invented the first internal combustible engine...the first to develop jet technology...etc etc...these things are all being used in British planes today. He never even mentioned Rolls-Royce you dickhead. And he never said we are building these engines for you.

READ with care.

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