1. did not speak in the lingua franca of the time
a. God sent prophets to the Jews, they were suppose to be the lamp onto the nations (gentiles, non-jews, that’s us folks)

2. did not know God’s name
a. allah is not Elohim, any more than Zeus is Dios, they may have the same root, but they are not the same god

3. did not know he was a prophet
a. since when did prophets need someone else to tell them they were commissioned by God? Who is Kadija, that she would know more than Mohammad, that he was supposedly a prophet? All other prophets knew they had been sent by God, why didn’t Mohammad? Because he was commissioned by satan, the father of lies. Confused? You should be, stop believing the liar, open your eyes to the truth, convert to Christianity

4. did not know the difference between the so-called word of god & the satanic verses
a. how can a true prophet not know the difference between God & Satan?, or the messages from each?

5. did not know who Jesus was
a. everything about this muslim Issa, proves that Mohammad did not know God, the Bible, or Jesus

6. inserted Ishmael as the sacrifice, instead of Isaac on Mount Moriah
a. why the switch? Because Ishmael, as father of the arabs needed to be glorified? Very un-jewish of him

7. did not know who Moses or Miriam were or how they were related
a. there is only one Miriam, that is Moses’ sister. There were several Marys, one the earthly Mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, & an other. So if Mohammad is to be believed Miriam, Moses’ sister was the Mother of Jesus? Wrong woman, wrong time= false prophet

8. did not admonish Christians or jews to return to God
a. all prophets did that before Mohammad, why did Mohammad need to start a new religion? An anti-christian religion! Because he was the anti-christ!

9. Mohammad was a man of war
a. Badr, the Ditch, etc. etc.

10. Mohammad was man of the flesh
a. How many wives? What prophet married more than one wife? Only kings did, like Solomon. Isn’t there a Hadith talking about his prowess with women, that he could plow 30 women a night?

11. Mohammad was a man of greed
a. 20% of the plunder; wars & raids all the time to make more plunder

12. Mohammad was a man of this world
a. Mohammad’s kingdom was of this world, he is the right-hand man of satan, read the New Testament, where Jesus is tempted by satan, saying that he would give all the kingdoms to Jesus, if Jesus would bow to him. Jesus refused, saying in Matthew 4:10, “away from me satan! For it is written: Worship the LORD your God, and serve him only.” (from the NIV, btw in English language Bible’s the word ‘LORD’ is used to denote the use of the Tetragrammaton ‘YHWH’)

Seems like Mohammad took the offer.

How are these proofs any more indicative that Muhammad was not a prophet than the fact that he never ate at Baskin & Robbins?

Originally posted by tiassa
How are these proofs any more indicative that Muhammad was not a prophet than the fact that he never ate at Baskin & Robbins?


:D

And never met Randolfo to learn the truth about Allah The God Of Jesus.

*still smiling*

Even The Aramaic Bible mentions "Muhammad" as the next Prophet of GOD Almighty

I was getting shock when I read that "Paraklytos" is actually "Muhammad" in Aramaic - the mother tongue' of Prophet Jesus (p.b.u.h).

Follow me as we trace the Biblical history of this Greek word "Paraclete". Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man "Muhammad." (1 Jesus in The Qur'an, One World Publications, (c) Geoffrey Parrinder 1965, 1995, ISBN 1-85168-094-2. Knowing this, there is a need for us to study the life of Prophet Muhammad in depth to see if it all stands up. Surprisingly it does.

Allahu Akbar (GOD is Great)!, for the complete explanation by Aramaic Bible Society please visit:

http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html

This proved what has been said by Qur'an:

"Those who follow the apostle the unlettered prophet (prophet Muhammad - p.b.u.h) whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); in the law (Torah) and the Gospel" (Qur'an 7:157)

According to Holy Qur'an the name of prophet Muhammad or Ahmad (p.b.u.h) is mention by name in the Gospel (Injeel):

"And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is Ahmad (the Praised One)." (Qur'an 61:6)

If you refer to Song of Solomon in Hebrew scripture, the name 'Muhammad' also mention there, please read Song of Solomon 5:16, it looks like this:

"Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow mahamadiym zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randolfo
1. did not speak in the lingua franca of the time
a. God sent prophets to the Jews, they were suppose to be the lamp onto the nations (gentiles, non-jews, that’s us folks)
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M*W: Gentiles are neither Jews nor Christians. How do you fit into these categories? BTW, speak for YOURSELF only!
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2. did not know God’s name
a. allah is not Elohim, any more than Zeus is Dios, they may have the same root, but they are not the same god
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M*W: How stupid! Allah and Eloh are the same and mean the same. When "im" is at the end of the word, the word is plural.
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3. did not know he was a prophet
a. since when did prophets need someone else to tell them they were commissioned by God? Who is Kadija, that she would know more than Mohammad, that he was supposedly a prophet? All other prophets knew they had been sent by God, why didn’t Mohammad? Because he was commissioned by satan, the father of lies. Confused? You should be, stop believing the liar, open your eyes to the truth, convert to Christianity
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M*W: Jesus was confused about his purpose (at least that's the way the myth is written). "Satan" was created as the adversary in Christianity. Let me say that again, "Satan" was created as the adversary in CHRISTIANITY! Since CHRISTIANITY created the idea of Satan, how do you dare say Mohammad is Satan? Did Christianity create Mohammad? I suggest you read Biblical scholar Elaine Pagels' "Adam, Eve and the Serpent" and "The Origin of Satan." Christianity created the myth of Satan and, in fact, Christianity is Satanic. Jesus called himself the "Morningstar!" Look that up in your Funk & Wagnalls.
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4. did not know the difference between the so-called word of god & the satanic verses
a. how can a true prophet not know the difference between God & Satan?, or the messages from each?
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M*W: There are prophets from all the ages of the human race. Prophets do not create themselves, they are more advanced than the average human being. They are more evolved spiritually. This is a GIFT they have and a calling. Prophets will continue to emerge from the populace and prophesy for the current times just like Elijah, Jesus and Mohammad prophesied in their times (well, that's if Jesus really existed, but most likely he was mythical and Mohammad was real).
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5. did not know who Jesus was
a. everything about this muslim Issa, proves that Mohammad did not know God, the Bible, or Jesus
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M*W: How absurd can you be? Jesus (although you believe he is God) didn't know or speak of Mohammad or the Qur'an either. If Jesus was God, he should've said something about the coming prophet. But since Jesus didn't write anything himself, Paul didn't include Mohammad in his myth of Christianity. Mohammad wasn't a myth, was he? He was a real, true prophet.
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6. inserted Ishmael as the sacrifice, instead of Isaac on Mount Moriah
a. why the switch? Because Ishmael, as father of the arabs needed to be glorified? Very un-jewish of him
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M*W: Ishmael was Abram's first-born son. The scribes changed it to promote the Hebrew agenda. Abram himself was Muslim because he totally submitted to Allah.
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7. did not know who Moses or Miriam were or how they were related
a. there is only one Miriam, that is Moses’ sister. There were several Marys, one the earthly Mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, & an other. So if Mohammad is to be believed Miriam, Moses’ sister was the Mother of Jesus? Wrong woman, wrong time= false prophet
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M*W: It's quite possible that Moses (aka Tutmose, the Pharaoh) was the child of Miriam who would have been his mother and also his sister conceived by family values of the day. Miriam is a TITLE not a name. Why do you think there were so many women named "Mary/Miriam" in the Bible? In Aramaic Mariam means "rebel/rebellion/rebellious woman." It signifies a woman who stands out among her peers and not meaning bad or adversarial. The Hebrew version of "Miriam" may be slightly different. Generally speaking, "Miriam" is a one-of-a-kind woman who is very special and significant where it appears. Again, "Miriam" is a TITLE not a name. What's more, it was originally an Egyptian word. Anytime you see the name "Miriam" it has an Egyptian connection. I bet you don't know anything about that, do you?
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8. did not admonish Christians or jews to return to God
a. all prophets did that before Mohammad, why did Mohammad need to start a new religion? An anti-christian religion! Because he was the anti-christ!
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M*W: According to your logic, 3/4 of the world is the Antichrist and 3/4 of the world today do not admonish Christians or Jews or any other religion to return to God. Since there is only ONE God, it wouldn't be to hard to admonish Christians or Jews to return to God. The bare naked truth is that the remaining 1/4 of Christians in the world is steadily declining. There was a NEED for Mohammad to start a new religion. Christianity was brutalizing the world. Again, 3/4 of the world is anti-Christian TODAY! Stating that Mohammad is the Antichrist is ridiculous when the biggest majority of the human race in Anti-hristian! You're in an endangered minority, my friend. You need to look at the facts and quit believing in fairy tales.
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9. Mohammad was a man of war
a. Badr, the Ditch, etc. etc.
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M*W: And Jesus wasn't? He even said (or Paul said for him when he wrote the myth) that he didn't come to bring peace (he called himself the "Morningstar!"
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10. Mohammad was man of the flesh
a. How many wives? What prophet married more than one wife? Only kings did, like Solomon. Isn’t there a Hadith talking about his prowess with women, that he could plow 30 women a night?
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M*W: Jesus was also a man of the flesh (as written in the myth). Let's see, how many wives...? Abraham was married to his half-sister Sarah, took Hagar for his concubine at the same time, and married another woman after Sarah died, all the while keeping Hagar as his concubine who had just as must marital rights as those legally married. Sarah, OTOH, slept with the Pharaoh when they were down in Egypt and conceived Isaac. Then there was Jacob who was married to both Leah and Rachel and had children by them as well as his two concubines and had children with them too! As late as (c)750-800 AD, Charlemagne had at least 8 wives and any given number of concubines who produced heirs. The concubines lived in the palaces all throughout the HRE right along with the wives and children. They all inherited equal rights. Even Adam had two wives. It was the custom of the day to have as many wives and concubines as one wanted. Concubines weren't looked down upon then like they are today. Usually marriages were arranged, but concubines were chosen.
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11. Mohammad was a man of greed
a. 20% of the plunder; wars & raids all the time to make more plunder
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M*W: Not as greedy as Christianity, the bloodiest religion in the history of the world!
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12. Mohammad was a man of this world
a. Mohammad’s kingdom was of this world, he is the right-hand man of satan, read the New Testament, where Jesus is tempted by satan, saying that he would give all the kingdoms to Jesus, if Jesus would bow to him. Jesus refused, saying in Matthew 4:10, “away from me satan! For it is written: Worship the LORD your God, and serve him only.” (from the NIV, btw in English language Bible’s the word ‘LORD’ is used to denote the use of the Tetragrammaton ‘YHWH’) Seems like Mohammad took the offer.
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M*W: Yes, Mohammad was a man of this world. Jesus was fiction. Satan is a figment of Christianity. Jesus called Peter "satan." Ever wonder why? Let me give you a hint (it's been in existence for over 2,000 years now). Christianity is the antichrist. Do some reading. You're in desperate need of re-education. The statistics again: you're part of the 25% remaining Christianity which is steadily declining; the anti-christs number 75% of the world today. Who ya gonna call when the lights go out?

Well M*W, now that you've stated that Muhammed was a prophet your going to tell us <i>why</i> he is a prophet. I have met people who have seen visions and they do not claim to be a prophet. More so, if someone claimed to be a prophet they would have to show us the fruits of the spirit. Furthermore, they would not brag nor ask for money.


Yes, Mohammad was a man of this world. Jesus was fiction. Satan is a figment of Christianity. Jesus called Peter "satan."

Jesus did not call Peter Satan.... That was Satan .


M*W: Ishmael was Abram's first-born son. The scribes changed it to promote the Hebrew agenda. Abram himself was Muslim because he totally submitted to Allah.

You <i>love</i> to call others ignorant yet you don't even do the most
basic research. The story told in Genesis says that Ishmael was born before Issac but it of a concubine.

[quote]If you refer to Song of Solomon in Hebrew scripture, the name 'Muhammad' also mention there, please read Song of Solomon 5:16, it looks like this:

"Hikow mamtaqiym wkulow mahamadiym zeh dowdiy wzeh ree`iy bnowt yruushaalaaim."
[quote/]

This doesn't prove much, since the song of solomon is not in anyway a prophecy.

Originally posted by okinrus
Well M*W, now that you've stated that Muhammed was a prophet your going to tell us <i>why</i> he is a prophet. I have met people who have seen visions and they do not claim to be a prophet. More so, if someone claimed to be a prophet they would have to show us the fruits of the spirit. Furthermore, they would not brag nor ask for money.


Jesus did not call Peter Satan.... That was Satan .


You <i>love</i> to call others ignorant yet you don't even do the most
basic research. The story told in Genesis says that Ishmael was born before Issac but it of a concubine.
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M*W: Oh, but I do my research. What makes the bible the only true source of information? Prove that! Paul saw visions, and he even claimed many things he wasn't. So why do you think prophets would have "fruits of the spirit?" Some prophets may have "Fruit of the Loom!" In whose judgment is it to identify and name who is or isn't a true prophet? Certainly not your's, young man. You believe in "blind faith," so how can you make any kind of determination of who and what is real? YOU need to do more research. You haven't had the YEARS I've had to research it. You're still wet behind the ears. Do some reading about concubines, and you'll find that they had equal rights just like the married. Also, I think you have been misquoting the bible. Jesus did call Peter "satan" and told Peter to get thee behind him. Either way you look at it, Jesus called Peter "satan." Jesus was saying either for Peter to get behind him, Jesus, or for Peter to get behind satan. Please don't piss me off so bad that I end up quoting bible scripture. This goes against everything I stand for.

In whose judgment is it to identify and name who is or isn't a true prophet? Certainly not your's, young man

Firstly, I make my own judgements on private revelation but don't really see how this effects your judgement.



You believe in "blind faith," so how can you make any kind of determination of who and what is real? YOU need to do more research. You haven't had the YEARS I've had to research it.

You have spent years festering your hatred of Christianity. Furthermore, discernment is gift from God.


You're still wet behind the ears.

Test the waters like Noah did.


Jesus did call Peter "satan" and told Peter to get thee behind him.

Peter was arguing with Jesus and Jesus rebuked Satan who caused Peter to doubt.


Either way you look at it, Jesus called Peter "satan."

No, you have been listening to too many liberal christians who want to use this passage as a denial that Satan exists. I know this passage well and have argued with evangelical christians. Although it seems that Jesus is calling Peter Satan this is an incorrect interpretation. Jesus only called the Pharisee's sons of Satan not Satan himself.

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
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M*W: Gentiles are neither Jews nor Christians. How do you fit into these categories? BTW, speak for YOURSELF only!
My dear Misses Know-it-all, to Jews all non-Jews are gentiles, now unless you are Jewish, you are a Gentile, that category includes us both, unless you, like Wesley Clark found out, that you had a Jewish parent; as for my family, if it is descended from Secret Jews from Spain, it was so secret, that no one passed those customs unto our generation! http://www.ida.net/users/rdk/ces/definitions.html

M*W: How stupid! Allah and Eloh are the same and mean the same. When "im" is at the end of the word, the word is plural.
that’s what arabs would like you to think!, it’s “El” which means “God”, as in ”IsraEL, it’s not “Israeloh” as you imply. BTW, the ‘im’ does make it plural, as in ‘many gods’, which is interesting, if you think of Judaism as monotheistic. I was told by a rabbi that it is the “Royal We”, like Queen Elizabeth would say when speaking. I think its God’s way of telling us He expresses His form as a “Trinity”.
http://www.plim.org/1Allah.html
http://www.bibletexts.com/glossary/god.htm

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M*W: Jesus was confused about his purpose (at least that's the way the myth is written). no confusion, unless it’s on your part, see references to ‘My Father’s House’ in the New Testament.
http://www.bartleby.com/100/774.99.html
http://www.templetons.com/charles/jesus/chapter5.html




"Satan" was created as the adversary in Christianity. Let me say that again, "Satan" was created as the adversary in CHRISTIANITY!
The Old Testament speaks about ‘satan’ prior to Christianity, read your sources again, then look at a timeline of events, BTW, ‘satan’ means ‘adversary’, so you must be ‘satan’




I suggest you read Biblical scholar Elaine Pagels' "Adam, Eve and the Serpent" and "The Origin of Satan." Christianity created the myth of Satan and, in fact, Christianity is Satanic. Jesus called himself the "Morningstar!" Look that up in your Funk & Wagnalls.
Funk & Wagnall’s?, you just dated yourself, unless you caught “Laugh-In” on reruns on “Nick-at-Night”? As for Elaine Pagels, who is that? http://wupa.wustl.edu/asmbly/bio/Pagels So college makes her an authority on Biblical matters, if she is not Christian? With chrisitians & non-christians reading the same material, you get two different meanings.

As for ‘Morningstar’, that is interesting, isn’t it? In Isaiah, it talks of the King of Babylon in that context, as both ‘Lucifer’ & ‘morning star’, hmmm…?
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm



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M*W: There are prophets from all the ages of the human race. Prophets do not create themselves, they are more advanced than the average human being. They are more evolved spiritually. This is a GIFT they have and a calling. Prophets will continue to emerge from the populace and prophesy for the current times just like Elijah, Jesus and Mohammad prophesied in their times (well, that's if Jesus really existed, but most likely he was mythical and Mohammad was real).
by prophets, you must mean ‘visionaries’, because according to the Bible, only God sends prophets & He uses the Jewish people as His light unto the world, not Brits, Americans or Arabs. So the only ‘gift’ Mohammad had was epilepsy
http://www.meta-religion.com/Psychiatry/The_Paranormal/trascendent_experiences.htm



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5. did not know who Jesus was
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M*W: How absurd can you be? Jesus (although you believe he is God) didn't know or speak of Mohammad or the Qur'an either. If Jesus was God, he should've said something about the coming prophet. But since Jesus didn't write anything himself, Paul didn't include Mohammad in his myth of Christianity. Mohammad wasn't a myth, was he? He was a real, true prophet.
Jesus never spoke of mohammad, because old Mohammad was not a prophet from God, but from satan, see Galatians 1: 8 http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Galatians.html



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6. inserted Ishmael as the sacrifice, instead of Isaac on Mount Mariah
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M*W: Ishmael was Abram's first-born son. The scribes changed it to promote the Hebrew agenda. Ishmael was the first born, but did not recieve firstborn rights. as for the rest, what are your sources?




Abram himself was Muslim because he totally submitted to Allah.
another muslim lie, Abraham never knew or heard about ‘allah’, he only knew El Shadai (God Almighty) http://www.hillel.org/Hillel/NewHille.nsf/fbf53504797e21b48525693c0071779d/2fa4f67defd30ee18525693f0051b78a?OpenDocument



7. did not know who Moses or Miriam were or how they were related
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M*W: It's quite possible that Moses (aka Tutmose, the Pharaoh) was the child of Miriam who would have been his mother and also his sister conceived by family values of the day. Miriam is a TITLE not a name. Why do you think there were so many women named "Mary/Miriam" in the Bible? In Aramaic Mariam means "rebel/rebellion/rebellious woman." It signifies a woman who stands out among her peers and not meaning bad or adversarial. The Hebrew version of "Miriam" may be slightly different. Generally speaking, "Miriam" is a one-of-a-kind woman who is very special and significant where it appears. Again, "Miriam" is a TITLE not a name. What's more, it was originally an Egyptian word. Anytime you see the name "Miriam" it has an Egyptian connection. I bet you don't know anything about that, do you?
Pharaoh & Candace are titles, but Miriam? where did you get that info? Miriam means ‘bitter’, all names in ancient times meant something. Tutmose= Moses? Your history is really distorted, any other inaccuracies that you want me to find out for you? Name sources, most modern sources discount ancient Hebrews in Egypt entirely, & here you state that Moses was Tutmoses? Moses is an Egyptian name, because he was born in Egypt, it means "the Child" or "the Offspring:
http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_BR/bswbbr1903f1.html
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/111/story_11184_2.html
http://www.uahc.org/shabbat/cycle2/bshalach.shtml


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8. did not admonish Christians or jews to return to God
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M*W: According to your logic, 3/4 of the world is the Antichrist and 3/4 of the world today do not admonish Christians or Jews or any other religion to return to God. Since there is only ONE God, it wouldn't be to hard to admonish Christians or Jews to return to God. The bare naked truth is that the remaining 1/4 of Christians in the world is steadily declining. There was a NEED for Mohammad to start a new religion. Christianity was brutalizing the world. Again, 3/4 of the world is anti-Christian TODAY! Stating that Mohammad is the Antichrist is ridiculous when the biggest majority of the human race in Anti-hristian! You're in an endangered minority, my friend. You need to look at the facts and quit believing in fairy tales. & when, pray tell, will you give up your ‘fairy tales’? http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/elst-wahi-part1.html




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9. Mohammad was a man of war
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M*W: And Jesus wasn't? He even said (or Paul said for him when he wrote the myth) that he didn't come to bring peace (he called himself the "Morningstar!")
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He came to judge the world, read the rest of Matthew 10:34 to 42.



10. Mohammad was man of the flesh

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M*W: Jesus was also a man of the flesh (as written in the myth). Let's see, how many wives...? Abraham was married to his half-sister Sarah, took Hagar for his concubine at the same time, and married another woman after Sarah died, all the while keeping Hagar as his concubine who had just as must marital rights as those legally married. Sarah, OTOH, slept with the Pharaoh when they were down in Egypt and conceived Isaac. Then there was Jacob who was married to both Leah and Rachel and had children by them as well as his two concubines and had children with them too! As late as (c)750-800 AD, Charlemagne had at least 8 wives and any given number of concubines who produced heirs. The concubines lived in the palaces all throughout the HRE right along with the wives and children. They all inherited equal rights. Even Adam had two wives. It was the custom of the day to have as many wives and concubines as one wanted. Concubines weren't looked down upon then like they are today. Usually marriages were arranged, but concubines were chosen.
thanks for mixing up everything, including prophets & patriarchs, then emperors!
1) by "man of the flesh", I meant someone that lived for physical gratification, what with 30 wives, all the plunder & riches he wanted
2) Sarah was ‘barren’ until he was 90 years old, she did not conceive Isaac until then, she laughed at the taught of an old woman baring a child, that’s why he’s called ‘Isaac’ (laughter)
3) Under what historical or biblical reference is Charlemagne listed as a prophet? He was the first “Holy Roman Emperor”, having himself crowned after uniting France, the Low Countries, most of Germany & parts of Italy.
4) Not all cultures give inheritances equally, many only gave it to the first born son, that’s why so many Spanish wanted to come to the new world, to become ‘hidalgos’, (‘hijos de algo’, which means ‘sons of something’)
5) And please explain to us, what does all your statements have to do with Mohammad being a man of the flesh? Clearly, you misunderstood the reference.



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11. Mohammad was a man of greed
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M*W: Not as greedy as Christianity, the bloodiest religion in the history of the world!
‘greed’ & ‘bloody’ are two different concepts, the West & Christianity are two different concepts. While I’ll agree that the West is rapacious, even up until today, the West is not ‘Christian’ except for ideals & concepts, Western leaders use any means necessary to achieve their ends, but last time I looked, the Muslim countries didn’t do any better, nor the Communist, nor the non-aligned.

Or are you going to tell us that no muslim country ever raped & plundered their way to fame? Seljuk & Ottoman Turks did a good job in Asia Minor, the Balkans & N. Africa, the Moguls in India were not benign, notwithstanding the ‘Taj Mahal”. Oh!, and how do you think the khan was able to finance that building?
http://www.sulekha.com/weblogs/weblogdesc.asp?cid=5662
http://www.imahal.com/about/taj_mahal.htm



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12. Mohammad was a man of this world
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M*W: Yes, Mohammad was a man of this world. Jesus was fiction. Satan is a figment of Christianity. Jesus called Peter "satan." Ever wonder why? Let me give you a hint (it's been in existence for over 2,000 years now). Christianity is the antichrist. Do some reading. Jesus not real, according to you? then why does Mohammad even try to mention him, as this unknown ‘Issa’ fellow’? & who did all those early Christians follow prior to Paul, including the Mar Thoma & Copts?
http://www.marthomachurch.ca/marthoma/marthoma.asp
http://www.st-peter-st-paul-coptic-orthodox-church.org/copts1.htm

hmmm, the only people that practice re-education are communists, hey you Stalinist pig, the ‘cold war’ ended, you can shake off your brain-washing now comrade!
http://reference.allrefer.com/country-guide-study/vietnam/vietnam148.html




[b]Who ya gonna call when the lights go out? PG & E, silly girl!

1. did not speak in the lingua franca of the time
a. God sent prophets to the Jews, they were suppose to be the lamp onto the nations (gentiles, non-jews, that’s us folks)
So he wasnt jewish, wats your point?

2. did not know God’s name
a. allah is not Elohim, any more than Zeus is Dios, they may have the same root, but they are not the same god
They may not be the same, which is right though???

3. did not know he was a prophet
a. since when did prophets need someone else to tell them they were commissioned by God? Who is Kadija, that she would know more than Mohammad, that he was supposedly a prophet? All other prophets knew they had been sent by God, why didn’t Mohammad? Because he was commissioned by satan, the father of lies. Confused? You should be, stop believing the liar, open your eyes to the truth, convert to Christianity

Joan of arc didnt know that she would be the saviour of france, and mohammed didnt know that he would be a prophet

4. did not know the difference between the so-called word of god & the satanic verses
a. how can a true prophet not know the difference between God & Satan?, or the messages from each?
I got no clue what the satanic verses are. But i think that a santanist, wouldnt have a religion that promotes peace against all except those who try to stop them worshipping

5. did not know who Jesus was
a. everything about this muslim Issa, proves that Mohammad did not know God, the Bible, or Jesus
Jesus didnt know about mohammed, whats your point?

6. inserted Ishmael as the sacrifice, instead of Isaac on Mount Moriah
a. why the switch? Because Ishmael, as father of the arabs needed to be glorified? Very un-jewish of him
dont get ya

7. did not know who Moses or Miriam were or how they were related
a. there is only one Miriam, that is Moses’ sister. There were several Marys, one the earthly Mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, & an other. So if Mohammad is to be believed Miriam, Moses’ sister was the Mother of Jesus? Wrong woman, wrong time= false prophet
dunno what your talking about, but you are basing your whole argument on christianity being right in the first place

8. did not admonish Christians or jews to return to God
a. all prophets did that before Mohammad, why did Mohammad need to start a new religion? An anti-christian religion! Because he was the anti-christ!
I didnt know he started an anti christian religion, muslems have nothing against christians (with the exception of the christians that have something against them)

9. Mohammad was a man of war
a. Badr, the Ditch, etc. etc.
And the bible does not contain a single bit of violence in it, or any "rightious smiting"

10. Mohammad was man of the flesh
a. How many wives? What prophet married more than one wife? Only kings did, like Solomon. Isn’t there a Hadith talking about his prowess with women, that he could plow 30 women a night?

Its alright for kings to sleep around, but Mohammed couldnt?

11. Mohammad was a man of greed
a. 20% of the plunder; wars & raids all the time to make more plunder
Im not sure if that made gramatical sense, do you mean he took 20% of plunder. Ill give you a fact. The christian and catholic churches together, could whipe out 3rd world hunger if they didnt have such fancy cathedrals, whatever happened to them being modest

12. Mohammad was a man of this world
a. Mohammad’s kingdom was of this world, he is the right-hand man of satan, read the New Testament, where Jesus is tempted by satan, saying that he would give all the kingdoms to Jesus, if Jesus would bow to him. Jesus refused, saying in Matthew 4:10, “away from me satan! For it is written: Worship the LORD your God, and serve him only.” (from the NIV, btw in English language Bible’s the word ‘LORD’ is used to denote the use of the Tetragrammaton ‘YHWH’)

By that, your dencouncing mohammed for being a human? (he isnt a satanist, get that into your head) look at your face, assuming u have 2 eyes, a nose and a mouth, id guess that U also are a human, i dont go around calling u antichrist do i?

oh, soz but i noticed something else "the only people that practice re-education are communists, hey you Stalinist pig"
what does everyone have against communism, it is simply a type of government that provides people with money depending on their needs, not on how succesful they are, that seems to shout EQUALITY at me

JESUS OR ALLAH ?

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JESUS OR ALLAH ?

allha the liar?
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News flash! P_M, the qoran & muslims teach the law of ‘abrogation’, later verses abrogate earlier ones, so that allha is a god that changes with the whims of M, rememebr the 'satanic verses'?, remember the change in qibla? learn your own religion, before you defend the indefensible


The choice is clear: allha of the decievers

or Jesus, the Way, the Truth & the Life?

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Tetragrammaton ‘YHWH’
please move the " ') ", from God's name, you are making faces
By that, your dencouncing mohammed for being a human? (he isnt a satanist, get that into your head) look at your face, assuming u have 2 eyes, a nose and a mouth, id guess that U also are a human, i dont go around calling u antichrist do i? when Jesus was tempted by satan during the 40 day fast, satan said that he would give Jesus all the kingdoms of earth, Jesus refused,
Mohammad accepted the same offer, world domination is its goal, read for yourself, then read the Bible, see if there is any difference?

look how that religion affects its followers, suicide-bombers anyone?

Oh and after all, thats because islam isn't the one true religion (no offence to anyone, just giving conclusion to the info on this board) and that Eru truely is the mightly surpreme god of all men, elves and dwarves... ALL HAIL ERU! calm now.

Serenity now! Serenity now!

Yup, we all know that EVERYTHING randolpho said was wrong! so im outta this board! bye!
Everything? what a record! BTW princess, you spelled my name wrong, I guess you're getting down to my standards?

BTW, the consonant group "PH" that sounds like an "F" is only an English conventional rule, & I'm definitely not English, princess

Well M*W, now that you've stated that Muhammed was a prophet your going to tell us <i>why</i> he is a prophet. I have met people who have seen visions and they do not claim to be a prophet. More so, if someone claimed to be a prophet they would have to show us the fruits of the spirit. Furthermore, they would not brag nor ask for money.


The fact that a prophet called for the worship of one god is not enough for you?

And the miracle of the Quran is not enough for you???

The fact that this weakly guy was strengthened by god againest all odds to survive and convert incredible opposition?? that's not enough for you?

Mohamed never bragged nor asked for money? Where do you get your lies from beside your obvious hate for a person that have done you no wrong except that he called you to worship yours and his creator?

For me, I find the message to be extremely convincing that I wouldn't even care for any miracles, althought the prophet Muhammed was strengthened with many miracles....And if you believe in Jesus because of the miracles, then you don't really believe in jesus, you just believe in the miracles. You also don't know how to believe with your heart, only with your eyes, and guess what, the eye is the most blind organ in our body.

The fact that a prophet called for the worship of one god is not enough for you?

There are many modern "prophets" that call for the worship of one God.


Mohamed never bragged nor asked for money? Where do you get your lies from beside your obvious hate for a person that have done you no wrong except that he called you to worship yours and his creator?

Did I say that Muhammed asked for money? Did he steal money through conquest?


I don't believe that I was referring to Muhammed.
For me, I find the message to be extremely convincing that I wouldn't even care for any miracles, althought the prophet Muhammed was strengthened with many miracles....And if you believe in Jesus because of the miracles, then you don't really believe in jesus, you just believe in the miracles. You also don't know how to believe with your heart, only with your eyes, and guess what, the eye is the most blind organ in our body.

I don't believe I was referring to Muhammed, but M*W lack of evidence for Muhammed being a prophet. I don't believe she has read the Qur'an or stated why she believes Muahammed is a prophet. Unlike you, she has not presenting any evidence for Muhammed being a prophet other than Muhammed's rejection of Christianity. Her beliefs are defined by the rejection of Christianity.

12 PROOFS ABOUT MUHAMMAD BEING THE TRUE AND THE LAST PROPHET:

1. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Qur'an that we now have between our hands. This Qur'an mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to believe him regarding anything that he said.

2. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.

3. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Qur'an that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Qur'an challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Qur'an. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Qur'an. Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Qur'an.

4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.

5. Allah instilled great love for Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him. Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.

6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history. Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.

7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him. Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves.

Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.

During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.

Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc. Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed. All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.

8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.

9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers. Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion. My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.

10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its creedal and legal make-up. Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy. Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.

11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought. In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one's parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching. All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.

12. The legal and creedal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion. The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).

There are many modern "prophets" that call for the worship of one God.


They are not prophets. They may be rightous people. A prophet brings a message. Do these people bring us a Quran or bible as a message for god.

Did I say that Muhammed asked for money? Did he steal money through conquest?


What conquests???? Muhammed never conquested anything...for god sake, he never ever travelled more than mere 20 miles. He lived half of his life as an outcast from Mecca in Medina (about 20 miles away from Mecca), and he died in his bed in Mecca. Mohammed was neither instructed nor had any desires to convert the world or conqeust the world. He didn't die fighting a battle, he died in his bed with his wife by his bed chewing his woodpicks so they can be soft for his weak gums. If you want to call him returning home a connquest, then feel free. Also, don't confuse the conquests that happened after the prophet death to mean that the prophet did them.


I don't believe I was referring to Muhammed, but M*W lack of evidence for Muhammed being a prophet. I don't believe she has read the Qur'an or stated why she believes Muahammed is a prophet. Unlike you, she has not presenting any evidence for Muhammed being a prophet other than Muhammed's rejection of Christianity. Her beliefs are defined by the rejection of Christianity.

According to your own words, she must not be any different than you. She praised him for no reason, and you attacked him for no reason.

[QUOTE=Randolfo]Everything? what a record! BTW princess, you spelled my name wrong, I guess you're getting down to my standards?

BTW, the consonant group "PH" that sounds like an "F" is only an English conventional rule, & I'm definitely not English, princess
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M*W: BTW, phuck you, you illiterate Christian!
name calling, I'm so hurt!!!, how dare you call me illiterate, you philistine you!! you bad medicine woman, you!

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What conquests???? Muhammed never conquested anything...for god sake, he never ever travelled more than mere 20 miles. He lived half of his life as an outcast from Mecca in Medina (about 20 miles away from Mecca), and he died in his bed in Mecca. Mohammed was neither instructed nor had any desires to convert the world or conqeust the world. He didn't die fighting a battle, he died in his bed with his wife by his bed chewing his woodpicks so they can be soft for his weak gums. If you want to call him returning home a connquest, then feel free. Also, don't confuse the conquests that happened after the prophet death to mean that the prophet did them.

using this on google, "muhammad conquers" , I get 4,900 hits


http://www.carm.org/islam/islam_chronology.htm
http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/gaddis/HST354/Apr24/handout.htm

using this on google, "muhammad wars", I get 12,000 hits


http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/Jews/treaty.html
http://religion-cults.com/Islam/islam.htm

are you sure about that, no wars? who told you that? what history books do you read or not read? Do muslims read secret, uncensored history books, that you must know arabic to read?

BTW, the saying may be 'peace be upon him', but while he lived it was, "I want a piece of her, I want a new wife, I want that gold, I want those slave girls, kill the jews, let allah enlarge my kingdom, I want 20% of the plunder, make all infidels bow to my cresent-moon god!" refute me, with his gentleness, or should I quote suras from the quran?

THE EVIL BIBLE :

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Have a look at it, it is very interesting !

The fact that a prophet called for the worship of one god is not enough for you? Anhkaten did to, & is the worship of 'aten' enough? what about if it's satan?

And the miracle of the Quran is not enough for you??? that corrupted text? satanic verses anyone? why do later verse abrogate the earlier ones?
http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

The fact that this weakly guy was strengthened by god againest all odds to survive and convert incredible opposition?? that's not enough for you? sounds like Joseph Smith, the mormon prophet?

Mohamed never bragged nor asked for money? Where do you get your lies from beside your obvious hate for a person that have done you no wrong except that he called you to worship yours and his creator? the hadiths,you know the ones you don't believe in, but which muslims through the ages believe to be the true life of Mohammad; murder of jews, murder of slanderers, 20% of the plunder, more wives, etc. he was a man of the world, chosen by the god of this world, to bring all mankind to 'submission' to himself, the evil one, look up the 'temptation of Jesus' in the gospels, were Jesus said "no" to satan, 600 years later, Mohammad said 'yes'

For me, I find the message to be extremely convincing that I wouldn't even care for any miracles, althought the prophet Muhammed was strengthened with many miracles.... funny how all those miracles happened after the fact, muslims got tired of explaining that the only miracle was the quran, & everybody laughted

And if you believe in Jesus because of the miracles, then you don't really believe in jesus, you just believe in the miracles. that was proof that He controlled nature, not the ones in the quran, they are from false gnostic gosples, Nag Hammadi

You also don't know how to believe with your heart, only with your eyes, and guess what, the eye is the most blind organ in our body. & what if your heart is wrong? then you are blind indeed? Read the Gospels Little Flower, see if Jesus doesn't speak to your heart?

THE EVIL what?:
BTW, doesn't the Koran & Mohammad teach that the "Book" is true?

or is the koran a liar? looks like a mixed up, man-made, man-shaped, edited text. but no muslim will admitt that, because it would mean that their whole lives are wrong, that their culture is built on lies, conquest, deciet. P_M, why is the quran printed from longest sura to shortest? answer, to hide the truth, to abrogate the earliest with the later, tell us, P_M, what was the first qibla? & why was it changed? is allah a deceiver? can muslims decieve? are muslims deceivers? answer if you can, but don't bite your tongue with-holding the truth for lies

lets see, "evil koran' gets 89,800 hits on google, it must be evil indeed!
Oh! & have a look at it, it is very interesting !

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using this on google, "muhammad conquers" , I get 4,900 hits

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using this on google, "muhammad wars", I get 12,000 hits

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Doing a search about christian wars, I get this: Over one million hits.

Doing a search about Jesus and war, I get this: Over 3 million hits, puts Mohamed and wars 12000 hits to shame.

Doing a search about Jesus liar, I get this: 196,000 hits, surely 20 times more than your Muhammed war hits.

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lets see, "evil koran' gets 89,800 hits on google, it must be evil indeed!
Oh! & have a look at it, it is very interesting !


Let's follow your logic here.

"evil bible" gets over two million hits on google, must be 30 times more evil than the Quran.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=evil+bible


If you can't see how hypocritical you are, then it's time to get your eye prescription examined.

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[removed personal insults] I believe that humans are God's "special evolution", check this out for philosophical questions
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=33402

To me it actually seems like the embodiment of Islamanity.

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