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:o

Hmmm...........................P*S*.............P* S*...............
It is pure rubbish anyway.....it proves nothing........
......not big deal.................
Besides, this "Sh. `Abdur Rahman `Abdul Khaliq" could be the real P*S*!

:D

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SEE THE HYPOCRISY AND THE BLATANT BIAS of the moderator, he allows CHRISTIANS to run long threads like this one: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29908
but delete muslim ones.........

oh well, we muslims are used to such biased hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian


oh well, we muslims are used to such biased hypocrisy. Why, because you practice it yourself?

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
12 Proofs that Muhammad was a True Prophet
http://www.quran.net/hadis/proof.htm

I would like to despute the following from your post, namely that:
4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah

Taken from the quran & Hadiths, Mo' was a murderer, a warmonger, a slavemaker, delusional, a child molester.

Tell us, can we start treating you the same way that Mo' treated those that opposed him?

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
SEE THE HYPOCRISY AND THE BLATANT BIAS of the moderator, he allows CHRISTIANS to run long threads like this one: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29908
but delete muslim ones.........

oh well, we muslims are used to such biased hypocrisy.

i feel for you brother
damn dem hypocritical xians!:mad:

*perhaps a bomb or two??

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Originally posted by Randolfo
I would like to despute the following from your post, namely that:


Taken from the quran & Hadiths, Mo' was a murderer, a warmonger, a slavemaker, delusional, a child molester.

Tell us, can we start treating you the same way that Mo' treated those that opposed him?

I ask of you to do list me some unbiased sites on this matter. Those are common misconceptions. As for the war part, I will gladly explain.

As you hear many times, Islam is a religion of peace. And it is. Do not confuse the "Islam" you see on TV to the real Islam. In Islam, wars are to be avoided if they can. It strictly says that. But if the enemy declares war on you and you can't avoid it through diplomatic means, then war it is that the enemy asks for. Do notice that Islam is a religion of logic and reason.

Also, may I request that you properly list the name of Mohammad(pbuh)? I do find Mo' offending and I'm sure other Muslims would too. Thanks.

Proud_Syrian:

The Christian thread you have linked appears to be original material, not material plagiarised from another site. That makes all the difference.

If you write a lengthy post yourself, I guarantee I won't edit it. But if you copy somebody else's text, particularly without giving them credit, I will delete it as above.

It's not bias against Muslims; it's a bias against plagiarists.

funny
laser faced the same accusations over at another forum. poor guy.

damn the cut'n paste moslems. how dare they accuse christians of shit:D
apologize i say, syrian, for this vile and unholy accusation!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by spookz
[B]i feel for you brother
damn dem hypocritical xians!:mad:

*perhaps a bomb or two??

====================================

Nah, I dont believe in violence, I believe in dialouge and civil discussion, on the other hand, christian haters should be ignored.

http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com

Originally posted by James R
Proud_Syrian:

The Christian thread you have linked appears to be original material, not material plagiarised from another site. That makes all the difference.

If you write a lengthy post yourself, I guarantee I won't edit it. But if you copy somebody else's text, particularly without giving them credit, I will delete it as above.

It's not bias against Muslims; it's a bias against plagiarists.

oh well, when it comes to christian posts, they suddenly become ORIGINAL and not plagiarised....

my only mistake was not to post the source, I admit it.

That was not what Richard said. He said that the poster appeared to have written the post himself. Obviously, moderators cannot know every source in the world, so this assessment might be wrong. If you have evidence for such mistakes, for instance, if you know the source of the post in question, I suggest you report it.

Edited to add: Congratulations, you managed to derail your own thread ;) .

Hans

i must add he was vindicated there as well. fortunately our mods are smarter than their counterparts on that bbs as it was management that made the accusation

hoohaa!

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
SEE THE HYPOCRISY AND THE BLATANT BIAS of the moderator, he allows CHRISTIANS to run long threads like this one: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29908
but delete muslim ones.........

oh well, we muslims are used to such biased hypocrisy.


:confused:

'Hey guys'!

Is P*S* the "Third Anti-Christ"?

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
oh well, when it comes to christian posts, they suddenly become ORIGINAL and not plagiarised.... The length of the post is inconsequential. Apparently you do not understand what <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=plagiarized">plagerized</a> means. The post you referenced as an example was written by Laser Eyes himself and was not in violation of the <a href="http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16604">cut-n-past policy</a> no matter the length. Yours however, was.

You need to try and relax a bit and not be quite so defensive. If you constantly expect the worst in people that is what you're going to see whether it was intended or not. Yours is an interesting, original, and therefore valuable POV here but your world-view is your problem, not ours.

Cris and JamesR were elected moderators by us because they are reasonable and fair. You may disagree with their personal POV of view but they have been excellent moderators and handle things fairly and without bias; your casting of aspersions is without merit and asinine.

~Raithere

The Christian thread you have linked appears to be original material, not material plagiarised from another site. That makes all the difference.Laser Eyes' post is, indeed, original. You can see the author defend against an accusation of plagiarism at PhysicsForums (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=4393&perpage=12&pagenumber=1), where the topic post Proud Syrian laments (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29908) was discussed in July and August; that discussion ran about 125 posts.

Originally posted by Randolfo
I would like to despute the following from your post, namely that:


Taken from the quran & Hadiths, Mo' was a murderer, a warmonger, a slavemaker, delusional, a child molester.

Tell us, can we start treating you the same way that Mo' treated those that opposed him?


First of all, it is so stupid to reply to any of your posts. Since no one else reply to you not even your fellow baptists but I like to reply not because that I enjoy your lack of knowledge but to refute your ignorant and illogical claims. When you talked about rape,murder and killings, first thing comes to my mind is your BIBLE. Do you know what Bible is?? have you ever read it?? do you want me to start?? I don't enjoy bashing Christianity maybe that is the difference between a Pure christian taliban like you and me. Whenever you talk you talk from your ass. Since you can't make up your own mind. Eighty percent of your sources are coming from one single website, do you want me to name it? Then you refute others by saying that they are using pro-islamic websites.

What is funny to me is your argument, your logic is very funny, so according to you" believe whatever anti-islamic sources I give you but don't believe whatever sites some one elses gives you".

May I ask why? Why do one believes in your anti-islamic sources and not believe in all other sources of the world? :D

Do you see how christian talibans aka baptists try to force their logic to others?? You still don't get it do you?:D

In Islam, wars are to be avoided if they can. It strictly says that
what about the time when Muhammad agreed to a 10-year hudna with some enemy and then BROKE IT with a surprise attack when his army became stronger after only 2 years? i'm sure you're familiar with this incident

Originally posted by otheadp
In Islam, wars are to be avoided if they can. It strictly says that
what about the time when Muhammad agreed to a 10-year hudna with some enemy and then BROKE IT with a surprise attack when his army became stronger after only 2 years? i'm sure you're familiar with this incident

Where did you get this BULLSHIT ??? from FOX JEWS or from the ZNN ( Zionist national news ) ????

Originally posted by Raithere
Cris and JamesR were elected moderators by us because they are reasonable and fair.
~Raithere

Raith, why are you escaping from our witch hunt for you down at Morality and Ethics (moderator needed sticky thread). Please step up, you'll make a lot of people happy.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
Where did you get this BULLSHIT ??? from FOX JEWS or from the ZNN ( Zionist national news ) ????

yes, that's where i got it :rolleyes:

i see from your post that you deplore this type of action, yes?
it is dispicable and un-Islamic, right?

i'm gonna find the reference for you and make you feel stupid.

It's called "Treaty of Hudaibiya" (in the year 628)

Originally posted by otheadp
It's called "Treaty of Hudaibiya" (in the year 628)

As you know, wars were fought between the Quraish and the Muslims. The Quraish lived in Mecca and wished to crush Islam. However, after the Battle of the Ditch, the Muslims had the upper hand. Because of this, the Holy Prophet decided to visit Mecca.

The Quraish learned of this and sent 200 horsemen to intercept the Muslims and prevent them from entering Mecca. After a discussion, the Muslims decided to continue to Mecca. If the Quraish chose to fight, they would too. Otherwise, not. However, an alternative route was found and the Muslims reached Hudaibiya on the lower side of Mecca, which was within the sacred territory for the pilgrimage.

A diplomatic was sent by the Quraish. Then one by the Muslims. The Muslim diplomatic did not return for three days and a rumor had become afloat that he was killed by the Quraish. But then Othman, the Muslim diplomatic returned with a Quraish diplomatic, Suhail. A treaty was negotiated upon. Treaty of Hudaibiya.

1. There was to be a truce for ten years between the Muslims and the Quraish.
2. If any tribe wished to enter into treaty with the Muslims, it could do so, and whoever wished to enter into a treaty with the Quraish was also free to do so.
3. If any one from the Quraish came to the Muslims and was converted to Islam, he was to be returned to the Quraish. On the other hand, if a Muslim sought refuge with the Quraish, he was not to be delivered to the Muslims.
4. In addition, the Muslims would withdraw that year without performing the Hajj, but they would be free to perform the Hajj the following year when they could stay in Mecca for three days.

Notice that this was in favor of the Qurarish. Both sides agreed to this. However, when women came to the Muslims, a crisis emerged. The Quraish wanted the women to be returned to them. However, the Holy Prophet refused too saying that this did not apply to women:

"Believers, when believing women came to you as refugees, examine them. Allah knows the state of their faith. If you find them to be true believers do not return them to the unbelievers. They are not lawful to the unbelievers, nor are the unbelievers lawful to them You shall, however, give to their former husbands what they have spent on them. And you will be doing nothing unlawful after you have given them dowries." 60: 10

Dowries were given. However, a Quraish force was gathering together against the Muslims. So before the Holy Prophet decided that the enemy gather strenght, that the Muslims should fall upon and break their power.

This is probably the surprise attack I assume you are referring too. Although this may seem as a dishonorment of the Holy Prophet's word, it is not. The Word of God is more bigger and wiser than the word of man. Although the Hudaibiya Treaty was in favor of the Quraish, it brought the victory of Islam all over Arabia. It ended in a almost bloodless victory at Mecca. People between Mecca and Medina could now meet peacefully and were able to travel freely.

Breaking of Hudaibiya treaty has nothing to do with religion aka Islam. Banu ummayah (influential clan in Mecca) was known to look down on other quraish clans like Banu Hashim (to which Prophet belongs). This attitude of them would cause major rift in Islam after the death of the Prophet.

Originally posted by otheadp
It's called "Treaty of Hudaibiya" (in the year 628)

so pathetic !! what do you know about SULH AL HUDAIBIYA ??

Originally posted by everneo
Breaking of Hudaibiya treaty has nothing to do with religion aka Islam.

During the previous 17 years, the Quraish, who wanted to crush Islam, had been waging a war against the Muslims. So when by the Treaty Hudaibiya, the Quraish agreed to a truce for a period of ten years, it amounted to a confession of their failure. Heretofore the Quraish had exercised a pressure on the tribes of the desert not to ally themselves with the Muslims. By the treaty both the Muslims and the Quraish could have allies from amongst the tribes. This was a subtle point fraught with grave consequences. As things took shape later, it was such alliances that paved the way for the conquest of Mecca by the Muslims. It was stipulated that a Muslim who sought refuge with the Quraish was not to be returned to the Muslims, but someone from the Quraish who sought refuge with the Muslims was to be returned to the Quraish. Apparently the stipulation was against the Muslims, but it was really not so. When a Muslim were to seek refuge with the Quraish, it would obviously be a case of apostasy, and there was no advantage in pressing for the return of a person who had ceased to be a Muslim. When a man from the Quraish sought refuge with the Muslims, and was later returned to Quraish, there were two possibilities. If his faith in Islam was strong, he would still remain a Muslim, and was likely to cause the conversion of other people to Islam.

If on the other hand his faith was not strong, it would be a good riddance for the Muslims. Moreover by this time the stage of the conversion of individuals was over. The Holy Prophet was now looking forward to mass conversions, and in this context there were not likely to be many cases of individuals seeking shelter with the Muslims or the Muslims seeking shelter with the Quraish. The treaty of Hudaibiya indeed set the stage for the expansion of Islam to the peninsula of Arabia.

Breaking of Hudaibiya treaty has nothing to do with religion aka Islam.

it has to do with the guy who decided to break it.

Two quotes, one from Pak, the other from Otheadp: • Dowries were given. However, a Quraish force was gathering together against the Muslims. So before the Holy Prophet decided that the enemy gather strenght, that the Muslims should fall upon and break their power.

• it has to do with the guy who decided to break it.Um ... just for the sake of argument, let's go ahead and convict Muhammad on this count.

Now then, I've made the point before in other discussions that it's quite interesting and ironic to me that the US, the alleged "Christian" side would prefer to strike back until aggression ceases (Muslim idea) rather than turn the other cheek (Christian idea).

So as I look at Otheadp's point, it would appear that while we might criticize Muhammad for breaking an agreement for a pre-emptive strike to eliminate a perceived growing and imminent threat . . . well, there's just a keen irony afoot, being that the United States, the alleged Christian side, is behaving in a manner criticized in Muslims. Americans just need to realize that what they really want is to be Muslim instead of Christian. Seriously, look at what Americans have done to Christianity. They'll make Islam that impotent, too. But that doesn't change the fact that Americans seem to prefer the "Muslim" rules.

What is it about Muhammad that Americans envy so greatly? Or do we even know the dimensions of his "lower horn"?°

Notes:

° lower horn - see Futurama episode 4ACV13: "Spanish Fry" (http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/EpisodeGuide/Season5/).

Originally posted by otheadp
Breaking of Hudaibiya treaty has nothing to do with religion aka Islam.

it has to do with the guy who decided to break it.

How did he break it? The rule did not apply to women. Why? Women were not considered equal among the Quraish tribe. They were nothing more than property.

Pakman:
even if you sugar coat and spin it that way...
that's not the way it was presented by a certain leader.

the way it was presented was that Muhammad tricked the other side.

obviously, from your point of view, if Muhammad did it then it must be divine... human standards of morality and "what's right" don't apply here.
how can i argue with that.

Tiassa:
you are falling into bin-Laden's hands (or sympathizing with his cause?) if you agree to the notion that it's a war of Islam vs. Christianity

you are falling into bin-Laden's hands (or sympathizing with his cause?) if you agree to the notion that it's a war of Islam vs. ChristianityI agree that a Christianity v. Muslim war plays into bin Laden's hands. Unfortunately, I am not the one who made that mistake.

- "God is on our side." (G.W. Bush, President of the United States and born-again Chrisitan)

We shan't revisit General Boykin at this time.

We know the US is not a Christian nation. But somebody needs to tell that to our President.

You ought to stop assigning your prejudices to people. It's of low character and intellect to do so.

Look, Otheadp, if you fail to see the irony in our born-again Christian who happens to be President of the United States' crusade to behave according to Quranic dictate instead of Biblical, that's ... whatever.

Originally posted by tiassa

Now then, I've made the point before in other discussions that it's quite interesting and ironic to me that the US, the alleged "Christian" side would prefer to strike back until aggression ceases (Muslim idea) rather than turn the other cheek (Christian idea). it is interesting, isn't it? you catch some good drifts from time to time, that deserves its own thread, I think?


What is it about Muhammad that Americans envy so greatly? envy? hatred, maybe, though I think Joseph Smith used him as an example to create mormonism, check some of the similarities

Or do we even know the dimensions of his "lower horn"?

Notes no segue, or the implication is that Americans are envies of him, as per your previous sentence?

° lower horn - see Futurama episode 4ACV13: "Spanish Fry" (http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/EpisodeGuide/Season5/).
to reference 'Futurama' in a debate, even sarcastically, may be pure genius, kudus, applause, and you are definitely too funny, {as thousands flock to find out what 'lower horn' means}

It was a lucky shot. I'd missed that episode on the network run and happened to catch it while smoking some really good weed last week on Cartoon Network.

And for some reason, I like being euphemistic.

I thank you for your kind words.

As to the idea of a topic for that odd irony - I can't quite build a truly consistent case. It only exists at all to me because I really do believe that George Bush really does believe that God is on his side and I really do believe the politics of war indicate a ludicrous overreaction. In other words, it's limited. In building the case for it, I find it really does sound like a bad joke. I'm unsure what to think of that. I mean, cartoonist Steve Benson slammed General Boykin (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/benson/103003benson.html), and while I have an immense appreciation for the cartoon, it's not quite fair to the debate unless I wish to seriously kick two cultures in the sac.

I came across a nine year-old supplemental packet from one of my college history courses. It has an excerpt from the travels of Ibn Battuta, and I found I had a hard time taking it seriously. Apparently the cannibals didn't eat the white folks because white folks aren't "ripe". Now, black folks ... them's ripe.

The whole world is insane. It has been as long as humanity has walked firmly upon the Earth.

General Boykin
he's a crackhead.

"God is on our side."
yeah, he also said "this (terrorism) is not Islam. Islam is peace".
he also said countless times that a religion has been hijacked by extemists.
some people say that muslims and christians worship the same God... maybe Bush was talking about that one God? ....a possibility.

We know the US is not a Christian nation. But somebody needs to tell that to our President.
it's not, but it was build on Christian values... was it not? it's only been partially secular in less than the past 1/3 of its existence.
and since when Bush can't make statements with the word "God" in them?

You ought to stop assigning your prejudices to people
i did no such thing and you know it :)


ironic
i don't think Bush is acting according to Quranic dictate.

Originally posted by tiassa
I agree that a Christianity v. Muslim war plays into bin Laden's hands. Unfortunately, I am not the one who made that mistake.
each one of us, is solely responsible for our actions, though Bush & Bin Laden (as leaders of movements, countries), have set their courses for this meaning, in their minds it is C v. I, unknown how many others view it the same way on each side?

Look, Otheadp, if you fail to see the irony in our born-again Christian who happens to be President of the United States' crusade to behave according to Quranic dictate instead of Biblical, that's ... whatever. Tiassa, check out the time lines on the meetings of islam & Christianity, see who fought the first wars of aggression against the other. Though the Roman (after Constantine) & Byzantine Empires both fought wars aggressively, I don't think either fought wars of religious conquest (the Monophyist Bosnians, Egyptians & Syrians were already considered 'Christian heretics' & part of their empire), the concept of jihad changed the West's view of conquest, my contention is that the West learned jihad from islam & called it 'crusades', see what Spain learned from the 800 year occupation;
1) religious purity & fanaticism form the Almohades, etc.
which led to the Inquisition, conversion by force, etc.
see; http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/A/Almohads.asp
2) war strategies, see 1492 and the aftermath


BTW, has anyone refuted the 12 reasons that Mohammad is or is not a true prophet?

Originally posted by otheadp
Pakman:
even if you sugar coat and spin it that way...
that's not the way it was presented by a certain leader.

the way it was presented was that Muhammad tricked the other side.

obviously, from your point of view, if Muhammad did it then it must be divine... human standards of morality and "what's right" don't apply here.
how can i argue with that.

Very well. I have made my case from the knowledge that I know. This is a question I think you should ask a sheik. He should be able to explain it better to you than I have.

Originally posted by otheadp
"God is on our side."
yeah, he also said "this (terrorism) is not Islam. Islam is peace".
he also said countless times that a religion has been hijacked by extemists.
some people say that muslims and christians worship the same God... maybe Bush was talking about that one God? ....a possibility.

Yet Muslim charities were attacked for supporting "terrorism." Is giving food and water to a suicide bomber's family supporting "terrorism." Is giving them shelter supporting "terrorism." I think absolutely not.

Originally posted by Pakman
Yet Muslim charities were attacked for supporting "terrorism." Is giving food and water to a suicide bomber's family supporting "terrorism." Is giving them shelter supporting "terrorism." I think absolutely not.
Muslim chariteis giving food and water to poor families, including a suicide bomber's familiy, is not supporting terrorism. But setting up charities exclusively for supporting families of suicide bombers / terrorists is certainly supporting terrorism.

BTW, from what i read from various sources, it were not the muslims who broke the hudaibia treaty. It was the quraish in mecca who opted for breaking the treaty.

Twelve Proofs that Muhammad was a True (false-prophet)
By Sh. `Abdur Rahman `Abdul Khaliq (as edited by Randolfo 11-18-03 from http://www.quran.net/hadis/proof.htm)

Among these proofs:
1.Muhammad was raised illiterate,
This Koran mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said. as a merchant he would have been handicapped if he couldn’t at least count to the high 100’s. He would of at least been bilingual in Aramaic, if he traveled to Syria. I find it hard to believe that a rich woman like Khadija, would have entrusted her caravans to an illiterate orphan, my guess is he could read enough to get by

2. Muhammad also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.
We need the exact Hadiths or quranic verses, don’t just say this or that without examples. Also, which Caesar? That’s a title. The ones from the West (Rome) had fallen in the 400’s. The East (Byzantium) didn’t fall until 1453 (courtesy of the arab & turkish hordes), what’s up with that? Sounds bogus, without hadiths & timelines http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/youth/history/TheStoryofMankind/chap26.html http://byzantium.seashell.net.nz/articlemain.php?artid=time_last


3. Muhammad also brought an Arabic Koran that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Koran challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Koran. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Koran.
Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Koran.
that’s not what some arabs say, I feel that if your god only speaks Arabic, he must be an Arabic tribal god, namely allah the cresent-moon god.
http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Islam/islam30.htm http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99jan/koran3.htm http://www.eraline.com/data/0_1_2_0_1_3_0879759844_1_12522_index.html

4. The life history of this Noble (false-prophet) was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of The crescent-moon-god allah.
Pure? He of the 'lower horn'? He was only those things, to his followers, Jesus said to do all that to your enemies too, it just doesn’t work with muslims, they take, steal, kill, at every opportunity. Weakness is to be taken advantage of, like wolves, like pack animals would http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/not_muslim.htm http://humanists.net/avijit/article/breaking_the_manacles_of_islam.htm

5. The crescent-moon-god allah instilled great love for Muhammad (may the crescent-moon-god allah be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him.
Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.
isn’t this idolatry? Or shirk, as muslims say?

6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history.
Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask The crescent-moon-god allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.
idolatry again, some muslims say the hadiths are lies, only the quran is truth, who are we to believe? BTW, that history, shows an evil man; a war-monger, thief, murderer, liar, child-molester, cruel, self-serving, bigot. A fine example for us all, should we do the same? Shall we follow his example? Tell me, “Can I marry your 9 year-old daughter, if I convert to islam?” “Can I lay in wait for a rich Meccan caravan & rob them in ambush?” “Can I declare war on all non-believers (dar-al harb)?” http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_aisha.htm http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/mohammad4.html

7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him.
Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves.
Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.
During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble (false-prophet) have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the (false-prophet)'s way in his personal matters regarding which The crescent-moon-god allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.
Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of The crescent-moon-god allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc.
Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may the crescent-moon-god allah be upon him) taught and as he himself performed.
All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.
idolatry, why are you adding to your so-called one god, another? Shirk!


8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble (false-prophet). so? What’s up with all this idolatry? Is the man who wrote this, a muslim?

9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble (false-prophet) has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble (false-prophet) after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.
Indeed many of the followers of this (false-prophet) (may The crescent-moon-god allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this (false-prophet) (may the crescent-moon-god allah be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this (false-prophet). Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion.
My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this (false-prophet) was truly and really The crescent-moon-god allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed (false-prophet)hood or spoke about The crescent-moon-god allah without knowledge.
islam, has been a warrior’s religion since the start, it may have been weak at first, but Mecca fell to it, the rest of Arabia, & since 632 it hasn’t stopped, http://bismikaallahuma.org/History/dar_islam-harb.htm

10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its credal and legal make-up.
Muhammad described The crescent-moon-god allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe The crescent-moon-god allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy.
Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.
LOL! So islam is perfect? So islam is above human reason? Perfect justice? Don’t make me laugh, I hope this guy didn’t think any one would take this seriously, I’ll need to email this to some other sites, it’ll create an earthquake from so many people laughing & falling off their chairs. This is perfect parrot talk from that proud parrot from Syria

11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable (false-prophet) (may the crescent-moon-god allah be upon him) brought.
In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one' parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching.
All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
so, all other philosophers that did are more noble than Mohammad? More inspired, what of the sci-fi writers that create worlds, people them with aliens, philosophies, science, laws, etc.? what of them?

12. The legal and credal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may the crescent-moon-god allah be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion.
The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like The crescent-moon-god allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may the crescent-moon-god allah be upon him).
islam is created equal to the Universe? islam is divine engineering? islam is a perfect creation as the heavens are? I’m thinking more like black-hole here, perfection would imply without flaws, and Mohammad was a flawed man; a murderer, rapist, war-monger, thief, child-molester, bigot, liar, polygamist! http://www.dcregistry.com/forums/religion/messages/1864.html

Much has been written about the Prophet Muhammad (saas), from indepth biographies by Muslim scholars and non-Muslim researchers to sayings upon sayings of others. Muhammad ibnu Abdillah was born in Mecca in the year 569 CE. He earned his living as a trader and was known by his people as al-amin (the trustworthy one). When Muhammad (saas) reached the age of 40, the angel Gabriel came to him with revelations that established his prophethood. Muhammad (saas) was first ordered to instruct his immediate family on Islam, including his beloved wife Khadija, but eventually it was revealed to him that he should begin delivering the message to all of mankind. In the next 20 years of his life, he communicated the message of Allah to his people, and set an example for how each human being should lead her or his life. This is especially valuable since Muhammad (saas) is the last Prophet of Allah. In the year 632, the year of his death, the Prophet delivered his famous last sermon.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/graphics/muhammad_rasool.gif

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/prophet/

Let me ask you something Vienna and Randolfo. You both say that Mohammad(pbuh) was illerate. Yet the Quran rhymes. How is that?

And explain how the Quran speaks of earthquakes and other stuff before all this was discovered?

Originally posted by Vienna
Just like it explains the world is flat.

Hail to your ignorance. *sigh*. I wish you were just a little bit more literate then you pretend to be. Read vienna read and compare what you are saying and what is reality. I am really sad to see your ignorant claims again and again. Please see that you really sound like an un educated child. Trying to ignore that there a world of knowledge out side, just take one dip and see the difference. I will pray for you.

Originally posted by Markx
Hail to your ignorance. *sigh*. I wish you were just a little bit more literate then you pretend to be. Read vienna read and compare what you are saying and what is reality. I am really sad to see your ignorant claims again and again. Please see that you really sound like an un educated child. Trying to ignore that there a world of knowledge out side, just take one dip and see the difference. I will pray for you.
Ignorance is taking every word in the Bible and the qur'an literally, word for word. These books were written by people, not God. Ignorance is not recognising the truth amongst the crap in these books. Man has altered the ideas of faith in these books for manipulation of people (Joseph Smith is a fine example), theoligists make these books appear to say whatever they want. Only the ignorant cannot see the truth.

The word of Quran is the word of God. The Bible was the word of God, but that has been changed. The Quran has not. Why? Because people have memorized the Quran since it was revealed. You have pick up any Quran from Australia and one from the Middle East. You will find them to be the same. You can also compare a old Quran to one of today. You will find them the same.

Let us see who is ignorant. You say the Quran says the world is flat and that is was written by men. I say the Quran does not say that and it was written by God. I have read the Quran. You have not. So who is being ignorant here?

Originally posted by Pakman
The word of Quran is the word of God. The Bible was the word of God, but that has been changed. The Quran has not. Why? Because people have memorized the Quran since it was revealed. You have pick up any Quran from Australia and one from the Middle East. You will find them to be the same. You can also compare a old Quran to one of today. You will find them the same.

Let us see who is ignorant. You say the Quran says the world is flat and that is was written by men. I say the Quran does not say that and it was written by God. I have read the Quran. You have not. So who is being ignorant here?
Now you are been pathetic and backward.

Written by God .. Bullshit

Y'know I feel an Atheist moment coming on

Who knows more about Islam:

Person who has read Quran > Person who has not read Quran

I think I win here.

Originally posted by Pakman
Who knows more about Islam:

Person who has read Quran > Person who has not read Quran

I think I win here.
So you have read something written by a figment of your imagination - well done squirt. (Atheist moment still with me)

Well, I have made my case. I gotta get going. Good day to you Vienna.

Originally posted by Vienna
. Only the ignorant cannot see the truth.

Very true Allah has given you eyes yet you can't see.........oh should I called him God not Allah? since it will be shoving my religion to your throat? What if I am reading bible in Arabic, the word for God is still Allah?? Does it ever occured to you?? I am sure you never bother to learn any of that.

Allah has given me jack shit, he doesn't exist.

(Atheist moment is dragging on)

Originally posted by Vienna
Allah has given me jack shit, he doesn't exist.

(Atheist moment is dragging on)


Possible for you vienna, what did Jesus gave you?? If he ever existed......:confused:

Originally posted by Markx
Possible for you vienna, what did Jesus gave you?? If he ever existed......:confused:
Nothing that you would understand.

Originally posted by Vienna
Nothing that you would understand.

Easy way out...........:o

Originally posted by Markx
Easy way out...........:o
Not at all. It simply would be too difficult for you to grasp the concept of Jesus while you worship the anti-Christ Mohammed.

Originally posted by Vienna
Just like it explains the world is flat.

Indeed, the Bible tells us the earth is FLAT !!

When it comes to scientific claims, the Bible has the dumbest claims, with all due respect to Jews and Christians. The Bible claims that Earth has four ends and four corners. Nobody can ever think a ball or a cycle to have corners and ends! Only flat items can have corners and ends, and this is exactly what the bible is trying to express regarding the shape of the earth. The earth is not flat, as once thought and it has no corners or ends at all. If Magnetic Poles can be taken as ends or corners of earth, then this definitely opposed to the axis of rotation.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)

Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed

THE BIBLE CLAIM THE EARTH NEVER MOVE:

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"

LOL!!!!!

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=478806#post478806

You see, the loser vienna cant comment when he is cornered !

THE BIBLE CLAIM THE EARTH NEVER MOVE:

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"

Originally posted by Vienna
Are you as thick as you make out??

I've told you before, and explained why that every time you bash the Bible you are bashing the Qur'an, idiot.

And I'm not a Christian so save your energy.....DUH!





Which bible thou?? which one of the 100s you have?? Which one of the fabricated book of God are you refering too?? Do you know about your own Bible?? Do you have any clue what are you talking about?? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Vienna
Yes I do, Islam is based on the Old Testament and the Qur'an.

Please go Read OT. Make sure you read Torah and Talmud. Don't skip anything and don't go to websites. Read the books and come and talk.:o

Originally posted by Vienna
Yes I do, Islam is based on the Old Testament and the Qur'an. not quite, it is a mixture of what Mohammad learned & what he put together to make arabs an empire. if islam were a continuation of the OT & NT, it would have spoken to Christian & Jews in a language they understood, namely Aramaic (the lingua franca at the time). It would have told the Jews & Christians, that God was; angry, sad, heart-broken, &/or loving, that they had fallen short of God’s goals for us, it would have used God’s name YHWH, not allah, which is the crescent-moon god of the arabs

Mohammad's message was meant for arabs, to lead them on the road to world conquest. why do you think muslims have to learn arabic? dress up as arabs, take on arabic names & manners? follow arabic prayers, rites, etc.? Dar-al-islam vs. dar- al Harb, until all bend to the will of allah the moon god, then the end comes

Originally posted by Markx
Please go Read OT. Make sure you read Torah and Talmud. Don't skip anything and don't go to websites. Read the books and come and talk.:o you like telling people what to do, don't you? have you read the Talmud? can you read Aramaic? I don't think so, if you are a talmudic scholar, you should be jewish, not muslim, convert!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randolfo
[B]you like telling people what to do, don't you? have you read the Talmud? can you read Aramaic? I don't think so, if you are a talmudic scholar, you should be jewish, not muslim, convert!
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M*W: Exactly what was written in Aramaic that you refer to? Provide some references. BTW, it sure seems fishy that the nu testicle was written in a language other than Aramaic. That means the very first nu testicle was faulty as the thousandth version down the road. Obviously, YOU are no Biblical scholar. Have YOU read the Talmud? Can YOU read Aramaic? Can YOU read Greek? Can YOU read Hebrew? Can YOU read Arabic? Can YOU even read English? All you know is what is in YOUR lying Bible. Get a life!

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randolfo
[B]you like telling people what to do, don't you? have you read the Talmud? can you read Aramaic? I don't think so, if you are a talmudic scholar, you should be jewish, not muslim, convert!
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M*W: Exactly what was written in Aramaic that you refer to? Provide some references. BTW, it sure seems fishy that the nu testicle was written in a language other than Aramaic. That means the very first nu testicle was faulty as the thousandth version down the road. Obviously, YOU are no Biblical scholar. Have YOU read the Talmud? Can YOU read Aramaic? Can YOU read Greek? Can YOU read Hebrew? Can YOU read Arabic? Can YOU even read English? All you know is what is in YOUR lying Bible. Get a life!


Lying bible....lol..

Rando: do you know that bible you believe is nothing but FALSE book written by bunch of drunks ?? Written by Anti-Christ Paul and his buddies. DO you want me to prove it to you???

Originally posted by skywalker
Lying bible....lol..

Rando: do you know that bible you believe is nothing but FALSE book written by bunch of drunks ?? Written by Anti-Christ Paul and his buddies. DO you want me to prove it to you??? start now

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randolfo
[B]you like telling people what to do, don't you? have you read the Talmud? can you read Aramaic? I don't think so, if you are a talmudic scholar, you should be jewish, not muslim, convert!
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M*W: Exactly what was written in Aramaic that you refer to? Provide some references. BTW, it sure seems fishy that the nu testicle was written in a language other than Aramaic. That means the very first nu testicle was faulty as the thousandth version down the road. Obviously, YOU are no Biblical scholar. Have YOU read the Talmud? Can YOU read Aramaic? Can YOU read Greek? Can YOU read Hebrew? Can YOU read Arabic? Can YOU even read English? All you know is what is in YOUR lying Bible. Get a life! I suppose you can, MW? Hey learn to spell testicle girl, you are to funny? Medicine woman? Maybe quack, unless you're a witch-type medicine woman, lying Bible? what lying book do you believe in, MW? read any aramaic lately? no, I forgot you only know arabic

Originally posted by Randolfo
I suppose you can, MW? Hey learn to spell testicle girl, you are to funny? Medicine woman? Maybe quack, unless you're a witch-type medicine woman, lying Bible? what lying book do you believe in, MW? read any aramaic lately? no, I forgot you only know arabic


MW now u are arabic. LOL. I enjoy these Baptist terrorists ( markx :) )

Originally posted by Randolfo
start now

hey kido fight with your fellow christians and not me. LOOK WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT YOUR OWN BIBLE



The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!

The Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's alterations and corruptions:

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"


And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"

"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"

"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"

"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"

"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"

"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"

"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"

"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"

"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"



I dont' even have to say thing, so much for the word of GOD or should say Word of Gossip.

1. did not speak in the lingua franca of the time
a. God sent prophets to the Jews, they were suppose to be the lamp onto the nations (gentiles, non-jews, that’s us folks)

2. did not know God’s name
a. allah is not Elohim, any more than Zeus is Dios, they may have the same root, but they are not the same god

3. did not know he was a prophet
a. since when did prophets need someone else to tell them they were commissioned by God? Who is Kadija, that she would know more than Mohammad, that he was supposedly a prophet? All other prophets knew they had been sent by God, why didn’t Mohammad? Because he was commissioned by satan, the father of lies. Confused? You should be, stop believing the liar, open your eyes to the truth, convert to Christianity

4. did not know the difference between the so-called word of god & the satanic verses
a. how can a true prophet not know the difference between God & Satan?, or the messages from each?

5. did not know who Jesus was
a. everything about this muslim Issa, proves that Mohammad did not know God, the Bible, or Jesus

6. inserted Ishmael as the sacrifice, instead of Isaac on Mount Moriah
a. why the switch? Because Ishmael, as father of the arabs needed to be glorified? Very un-jewish of him

7. did not know who Moses or Miriam were or how they were related
a. there is only one Miriam, that is Moses’ sister. There were several Marys, one the earthly Mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, & an other. So if Mohammad is to be believed Miriam, Moses’ sister was the Mother of Jesus? Wrong woman, wrong time= false prophet

8. did not admonish Christians or jews to return to God
a. all prophets did that before Mohammad, why did Mohammad need to start a new religion? An anti-christian religion! Because he was the anti-christ!

9. Mohammad was a man of war
a. Badr, the Ditch, etc. etc.

10. Mohammad was man of the flesh
a. How many wives? What prophet married more than one wife? Only kings did, like Solomon. Isn’t there a Hadith talking about his prowess with women, that he could plow 30 women a night?

11. Mohammad was a man of greed
a. 20% of the plunder; wars & raids all the time to make more plunder

12. Mohammad was a man of this world
a. Mohammad’s kingdom was of this world, he is the right-hand man of satan, read the New Testament, where Jesus is tempted by satan, saying that he would give all the kingdoms to Jesus, if Jesus would bow to him. Jesus refused, saying in Matthew 4:10, “away from me satan! For it is written: Worship the LORD your God, and serve him only.” (from the NIV, btw in English language Bible’s the word ‘LORD’ is used to denote the use of the Tetragrammaton ‘YHWH’)

Seems like Mohammad took the offer.

How are those proofs any more indicative that Muhammad was not a prophet than the fact that he never drank black cherry Kool-Aid?

Is M*W a troll?

Originally posted by skywalker
hey kido fight with your fellow christians and not me. LOOK WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT YOUR OWN BIBLE



The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!

The Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's alterations and corruptions:

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"


And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"

"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"

"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"

"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"

"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"

"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"

"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"

"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"

"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"



I dont' even have to say thing, so much for the word of GOD or should say Word of Gossip.


Very good find. Randolfo can you please address the above for the forum members's knowledge. Since you claim that bibls is word of God and the book of truth.

Thank you.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by skywalker
[B]Lying bible....lol..

Rando: do you know that bible you believe is nothing but FALSE book written by bunch of drunks ?? Written by Anti-Christ Paul and his buddies. DO you want me to prove it to you???
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M*W: My dear skywalker, yes, please go ahead and prove it here. I need to hear it over and over again. You don't know what it does to me to read about the lies of Paul. Ummm...It really turns me on and I fantasize about it for hours and hours. Write all you can and don't stop! I want to hear you say it! Don't stop! Don't stop!

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
and don't stop! I want to hear you say it! Don't stop! Don't stop!
Jeeez!......This lady gets all worked up about a dead guy.

Isn't there a word for this kind of behaviour "necrophilia", yeah thats the one....LOL!

:D

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skywalker
[B]Lying bible....lol..

M*W: My dear skywalker, yes, please go ahead and prove it here. I need to hear it over and over again. You don't know what it does to me to read about the lies of Paul. Ummm...It really turns me on and I fantasize about it for hours and hours. Write all you can and don't stop! I want to hear you say it! Don't stop! Don't stop!


I am waiting for rando or vienna to reply to above. Looks like vienna left his religion fast enough to avoid the embarassment. Now he not a christian any more but he still believes in retarded theory that jesus saved his ass.:p

Originally posted by skywalker
hey kido fight with your fellow christians and not me. LOOK WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT YOUR OWN BIBLE Hey Skytalker, let's see?



The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!

The Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's alterations and corruptions: that's wishful thinking kiddo, you're reading more into it, than is there, but since you have a biased viewpoint, it's understandable

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)" good thing for you that you can only read at the 3rd grade level, otherwise you would know that this quote starts at verse 4, with YHWH admonishing the Jews to follow him, instead of foreign gods, read more if you dare



I dont' even have to say thing, so much for the word of GOD or should say Word of Gossip. you can take it as you wish, if God's word does not prove it's truth to you, then you are lost. with free will, you are ultimately responsible for your own choices in this world. Read more of verses 4 to 22, it may be talking about you! Either way, enjoy!

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skywalker
[B]Lying bible....lol..

Rando: do you know that bible you believe is nothing but FALSE book written by bunch of drunks ?? Written by Anti-Christ Paul and his buddies. DO you want me to prove it to you???
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M*W: My dear skywalker, yes, please go ahead and prove it here. I need to hear it over and over again. You don't know what it does to me to read about the lies of Paul. Ummm...It really turns me on and I fantasize about it for hours and hours. Write all you can and don't stop! I want to hear you say it! Don't stop! Don't stop! you're sick, you need medicine, woman! sarcasm aside, you're probably a satanist, so anything, (no matter how absurd) lambasting Christianity, Paul, &/or Jesus gets you worked up, get a real job, stop wasting your time splashing forums with your anti-Christianity, read more, go out for walks, go see a real doctor, they may need to adjust your medication levels

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randolfo


I thought you could do better then above to protect your religion. On a serious note, what do you think about the above statements from Bible itself and by those scholars? Do you really believe that Bible is not corrupted and altered and changed by men so many times?

I hope you can reply in more details rather than your one liners.

Thanks.

M*W: I'm rubber,
you're glue,
Jesus bounces off me
and sticks to you!

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The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!

The Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's alterations and corruptions:

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"


And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"

"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"

"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"

"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"

"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"

"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"

"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"

"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"

"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"



I dont' even have to say thing, so much for the word of GOD or should say Word of Gossip.

Just proves that christian theologians should stick to reading the nu testament and leave the tanakh to the Jews. Its why I never use Christian translations.

Please go Read OT. Make sure you read Torah and Talmud. Don't skip anything and don't go to websites. Read the books and come and talk

Shouldn't drive the Talmud without a licence, tends to get a little heavy, although I do find it amusing when people take parts of it out of context.

not quite, it is a mixture of what Mohammad learned & what he put together to make arabs an empire. if islam were a continuation of the OT & NT, it would have spoken to Christian & Jews in a language they understood, namely Aramaic (the lingua franca at the time). It would have told the Jews & Christians, that God was; angry, sad, heart-broken, &/or loving, that they had fallen short of God’s goals for us, it would have used God’s name YHWH, not allah, which is the crescent-moon god of the arabs

Where exactly have you gotten this information about Allah orignially being a crescent-moon god of the arabs? I want to read it too. Why don't you post links when you put up such controversial info in your posts?

Where exactly have you gotten this information about Allah orignially being a crescent-moon god of the arabs? I want to read it too. Why don't you post links when you put up such controversial info in your posts?

From many different sites, but look for yourself, here's one.
From:
http://www.geocities.com/acts_2_38_4_12/YHWH_allah5_index.html
The evidence reveals that the temple of the moon god was active even in the Christian area. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that moon god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult.
According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the moon god was "sin", his title was "al-ilah", meaning "the deity [the god]", further meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon points out, "The God Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." [Carleton S. Coon, Southern Arabia (Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian, 1944) page 399]
The moon god was called al-ilah, the god, which was shortened to allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had allah as part of their names. The fact that they were given such names by their parents proves that allah was the title for the moon god even in Muhammad's day. Professor Coon says, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being." [Carleton S. Coon, Southern Arabia, page 399]


This fact answers the questions. "Why is allah never defined in the quran?" "Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the moon god allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that allah [the moon god] was the GREATEST of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that allah wasn't the greatest of all gods, but the only god. In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the moon god allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and kids [the three daughters of allah] and all the other gods."
This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed isn't "allah is great" but "allah is the greatest"---he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs NEVER accused Muhammad of preaching a DIFFERENT allah than the one they already worshipped. This "allah" was the moon god according to the archeological evidence.
Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the moon god allah. To the Jews and the Christians he said that allah was their God, too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and rejected his moon god allah as a false god. Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god allah didn't come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They didn't worship YHWH of the Bible but the moon god and his daughters, al-lat, al-uzza, and manat [Three Early Christian-Muslim Debates (ed. by N.A. Newman [Hatfield, PA: I.B.R.I., 1994], pages 357,413,426)]
Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." [Three Early Christian-Muslim Debates (ed. by N.A. Newman [Hatfield, PA: I.B.R.I., 1994], page 719]. Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded, "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." [Caesar Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observations (New York: Barrons, 1987), page 28].
The Arabs worshipped the moon god as a supreme deity. But this WASN'T biblical monotheism. While the moon god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that the actual idols of the moon god are found, it's impossible to avoid the fact that allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times.
Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the cresent moon in the sky? Also, the idol of the moon god allah was at Mecca, the pagans faced toward Mecca and prayed to the moon god allah, Muslims today still does this today, praying fives times a day toward Mecca. These are a dead giveaway that allah is a moon god. These are visible evidence that they are still worshipping the moon god today.
The pagan Arabs worshipped the moon god allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day [Encyclopedia of Islam (ed. Eliade) pages 303. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, page 1:219] making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the moon god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month that begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor; etc.

I have just spent the last few hours reading through the threads that deal with Islam and Christianity. Wow! Wackos is what comes to mind. I can't see what good can happen when people insist that what they believe is right--All the bible thumpers saying I need Jesus to be saved or Islam demanding I convert or die--some pretty fun stuff to teach to my little ones. Hey how about if I forget about what these books say? Maybe just listen to what my heart and head say is right or wrong. Maybe if more people acted like grown-ups and instead of fighting over fairy tales the normal people in this world could have a little peace.

[QUOTE=Vienna]I'm not a Christian, and I wouldn't let my dog near a mosque.

We wouldn't want him OR YOU near it anyway. :D


[QUOTE=Vienna]I'm sort of Atheist/Agnostic, maybe there's a God , maybe there isn't, who cares!


??? I now understand why you speak anything that comes to your mind. You're not even sure in what you belive in, and you're saying dreadful things about Islam. Fix yourself before you fix others.


[QUOTE=Vienna]But one thing in this world that I hate is Islam. Muslims walk round like brainwashed dummies reciting the Quran and saying they are going to take over the world etc etc.


No muslim ever said that they'd take over the world. We're not brainwashed, thank-you. You already know that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. With 1.3 billion people. I guess everybody converting are dummies as well. Perhaps they should go to Vienna for something better, ay?? Athiest/Agnostic.. you're making me sick.


[QUOTE=Vienna]Coupled with the violence and terrorism which stems from the Islamic twats, I believe Islam should be removed from this planet like the ugly cancer it is.


Muslims believe that obnoxious twats like you who refuse to see the truth laid out infront of you OVER A MILLION TIMES should be removed from this planet. But the more you say things like these, the more people become curious to learn about the true FACTS, instead of the bullshit that pops out from your head. In the end they convert and you still sit there at your computer screen, thinking of what to say next.


Thats all really.

Why on earth have you dug this thread up?

Where do I say these things?

The only thing you have done here is embarrassed Proud Muslim, you see Proud Muslim used to be Proud Syrian - look at the start of this thread.

You are boring - you sound like just another frenzied muslim with an attitude, get a life.

Toodle pip

Why on earth have you dug this thread up?

Where do I say these things?

The only thing you have done here is embarrassed Proud Muslim, you see Proud Muslim used to be Proud Syrian - look at the start of this thread.

You are boring - you sound like just another frenzied muslim with an attitude, get a life.

Toodle pip

YOU just don't have anything to say after what I'VE said, PM's not embarrassed, YOU are...

The only BORING person here is YOU. Every one in this thread knows you with one BORING attitude, so YOU get a life.

??? I now understand why you speak anything that comes to your mind. You're not even sure in what you belive in, and you're saying dreadful things about Islam. Fix yourself before you fix others.
What? the pot calling the kettle black? Daisy, you're missing so many petals, that you look dreadful,
if islam is logical, then the world is insane
if islam is truth, the truth is lies
if islam is peace, then war is peace

islam believes in doublespeak, read George Orwell's "1984",
it will help erase some of your brainwashing.
other doublespeak terms in islam
martyr= murderers
fast= evening banquets & all-night parties

is all these little details that make islam such a lie, as they say "the devil is in the details" & Mohammad didn't get it all, 'satanic verses', anyone?


No muslim ever said that they'd take over the world. We're not brainwashed, thank-you.
look in the quran, its instruction number one, look at OBL's fatwa, surrender or die? some choice!


You already know that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. With 1.3 billion people.
as they lose millions, you'll have to produce 5 kids to keep up, have you met your quota?


I guess everybody converting are dummies as well.
I couldn't have said it better myself


Perhaps they should go to Vienna for something better, ay?? Athiest/Agnostic.. you're making me sick.
ah, at least that way, you have a chance to know the truth, because at least they are open to experiances, truth, logic, understanding, muslims are too brainwashed to even know they are brainwashed,


Muslims believe that obnoxious twats like you who refuse to see the truth laid out infront of you OVER A MILLION TIMES should be removed from this planet.
so, you mean "killed"? more threats, whats wrong with you? where's the 'peace' of islam? oh, yeah, I forgot, the peace of islam, is death or brainwashing, zombie! "Dawn of the Dead", is about the islam virus,
watch it & understand, BTW you look beautiful in your scene, such a lovely wide-open gash smile


But the more you say things like these, the more people become curious to learn about the true FACTS,
the more that they stay away, thanks for the reality check


instead of the bullshit that pops out from your head. In the end they convert and you still sit there at your computer screen, thinking of what to say next.
look whose brimming with BS, if you had any more you would be a BS meister, a PHd (or a philio of Dodoo), or a DD (doctor of dodoo). You are way to educated for us, daisy. your imanmust be proud, how is P_M?

I'd be wasting my time if I replied to you. What I wrote was to Vienna, not you. I'm sorry that Vienna couldn't answer exactly to what I've said, but you didn't have to back him up. By the way, incase you forget again, this thread is 12 proofs that Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) was a true prophet.

I'd be wasting my time if I replied to you. What I wrote was to Vienna, not you. I'm sorry that Vienna couldn't answer exactly to what I've said, but you didn't have to back him up. By the way, incase you forget again, this thread is 12 proofs that Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) was a true prophet.

Hello my little satan worshipper. I shall comtemplate the subject of the thread as I eat my crispy bacon sandwich.

But my initial thoughts are: "Mohammed was a lamer".

:D

I'd be wasting my time if I replied to you. What I wrote was to Vienna, not you. I'm sorry that Vienna couldn't answer exactly to what I've said, but you didn't have to back him up. By the way, incase you forget again, this thread is 12 proofs that Mohammed ( Him) was a true prophet.

I already answered it, see page 2 of this thread, about 4/5 of the way down

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=30319&page=2&pp=20

Let me ask you something Vienna and Randolfo. You both say that Mohammad(pbuh) was illerate. Yet the Quran rhymes. How is that?sorry, Pakman, your little question escaped me, amid all these posts. But I never said Mohammad was illiterate, it has been said, I think he knew enough to get by, rhyme? since when is that so hard? you need to get out more often, Rappers & poets do it all the time, ol' Mo must have had a little of the Bard in him