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LionHearted
05-14-03, 10:44 PM
Is there anything significant about this number? I noticed that the function f(x) = -x(x+pi)(x-pi)/11.934321459 is the same as f(x) = sin x on the interval (-pi, pi). Is there any good reason for that number to be the denominator?

ryans
05-14-03, 11:01 PM
Its not the same, it just looks the same. It looks like a taylor series expansion for sin(x) up to third order.

oxymoron
05-15-03, 07:09 AM
Okay, lets see who can work out what is so special about this number:

142857

Time's a tickin'

lethe
05-15-03, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by oxymoron
Okay, lets see who can work out what is so special about this number:

142857

Time's a tickin'

repeating digits of 1/7

James R
05-15-03, 10:17 AM
...which also means it's a cyclic number.

LionHearted
05-15-03, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by lethe
repeating digits of 1/7

What do you mean by repeating digits of 1/7?

everneo
05-15-03, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by LionHearted
What do you mean by repeating digits of 1/7?

1/7 = .142857142857142857...

AntonK
05-15-03, 04:30 PM
EXCELLENT to finally see a thread not fighting about relativity! Wish i had more to add.

-AntonK

lethe
05-15-03, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by James R
...which also means it's a cyclic number.

what s a cyclic number?

oxymoron
05-15-03, 11:12 PM
Cyclic numbers are special numbers that when multiplied by an integer produces a number with the same digits but in a different order.

142857 * 2 = 285714

Sum of 142857 = 27

Sum of 142857 * 8 = 27 as well.

However 142857 * 7 = 999999, which means that a cyclic number multiplied by it's fraction-generator gives a string of 9's.

I think these numbers are really cool. Apparently Lewis Carroll worked 142857 one out many, many years ago!

Here is another cyclic number:

588235294117647

James R
05-16-03, 12:23 AM
142857 × 2 = 285714
142857 × 3 = 428571
142857 × 4 = 571428
142857 × 5 = 714285
142857 × 6 = 857142

Multiples produce the same digits in a different order.

<a href="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CyclicNumber.html" target="_blank">Cyclic Numbers</a>

LogicalAtheist
05-16-03, 02:13 AM
Neat. Math without application is such a lonely thing is it not?

It's like a play that's never acted out, A song that's never played, A dance that's never danced!

ryans
05-16-03, 09:31 AM
It's the best kind of math. All arguements are based on a few simple axioms which must be adhered to, other than that you can do anything you want. Personally I think theoretical physics is much more difficult to grasp than advanced mathemetics. Mathematics is bound by our logic, physics is bound by the logic of mother nature, who seems to be continually changing her mind.

Canute
05-17-03, 09:02 AM
Didn't know about cyclic numbers. They have curious properties that look algorthymically useful. Have we found nature making use of them? (as with Fibonnachi series etc).

ryans
05-17-03, 09:04 AM
Don't know about cyclic numbers, but cyclic permutations have definately been used to describe nature.