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[i]10 Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq

By Christopher Scheer, AlterNet
June 27, 2003

"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
– George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.


There is a small somber box that appears in the New York Times every day. Titled simply "Killed in Iraq," it lists the names and military affiliations of those who most recently died on tour of duty. Wednesday's edition listed just one name: Orenthial J. Smith, age 21, of Allendale, South Carolina.


The young late O.J. Smith was almost certainly named after the legendary running back, Orenthal J. Simpson, before that dashing American hero was charged for a double-murder. Now his namesake has died in far-off Mesopotamia in a noble mission to, as our president put it on March 19, "disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger."


Today, more than three months after Bush's stirring declaration of war and nearly two months since he declared victory, no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons have been found, nor any documentation of their existence, nor any sign they were deployed in the field.


The mainstream press, after an astonishing two years of cowardice, is belatedly drawing attention to the unconscionable level of administrative deception. They seem surprised to find that when it comes to Iraq, the Bush administration isn't prone to the occasional lie of expediency but, in fact, almost never told the truth.


What follows are just the most outrageous and significant of the dozens of outright lies uttered by Bush and his top officials over the past year in what amounts to a systematic campaign to scare the bejeezus out of everybody:


LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment need for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." – President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.Interesting, you may now Disect. ;) Remember the US is the stalwart of peace, justice, and liberty :rolleyes:. Sad, truly sad.

Remember what Mr. Orwell said, war is peace.

:eek:

It's amazing how we (and rest of Americans) sit around and proclaim we have liberated the Iraqi people. What did we liberate them from? To what end? What did they get out of death and destruction of their culture and people?

I know what we got: false sense of 'security' and oil.

I think Orwell had a even better quote and idea:

Doublespeak.

Say one thing then if it goes against the government destroy it. Winston is a propoganda worker who destroys all articles that worked against the government. I suggest to those who haven't read 1984 to do so.

Interesting note:

Before the war broke out, the only three people to support a war effort were:

* USA
* Kuwait
* Iraq

As to bold statements about Orwellian USA etc etc. Why dont you wait a few months and see how Iraq turns out?

* Iraq


Sure they were like you know ;)

And anyways what a sad little list and you supported the imperialistic war.

the only three people to support a war effort were:

Uk, Poland, and what 42 other states. How many troops did Tuvalu contribute? LOL. What a sad war.

Originally posted by DJSupreme23
Why dont you wait a few months and see how Iraq turns out?

The same reason my pResident did not want to wait for the peaceful inspections to proceed?

Originally posted by kajolishot
The same reason my pResident did not want to wait for the peaceful inspections to proceed?

Oh, I believe we have waited 12 years...

Originally posted by DJSupreme23
Oh, I believe we have waited 12 years...

In which case, this war was irrelevant because no weapons were found and no weapons have been found.

So, the justification of the war was iraq's threat to american interests. If it isn't there, the war has no leg to stand upon.

Do not pitch me the humanitarian BS because my country has never considered that as the main reason for anything. Hell, I don't have you tell you about civil rights abuse still going on constantly...at home.

Before the war broke out, the only three people to support a war effort were:
* USA
* Kuwait
* Iraq


How exactly did Iraq support a war-efford ?

Why dont you wait a few months and see how Iraq turns out?

I think the peoples of Iraq have waiting long enough . Waiting-and-seeing logics contributed into genocides world-wide .

Oh, I believe we have waited 12 years...

And before that ?

So, the justification of the war was iraq's threat to american interests. If it isn't there, the war has no leg to stand upon.

Such justification would be immoral as well .

A whole lot less than Iraq did and who could doubt the words of Baghdad Bob?

Oh, I believe we have waited 12 years...

Well it only took 7 years to destroy Iraq's WMD program, what 95-98% of her weapons destroyed. You and your argument are baseless, and yes please spare us from your humanitarian crap.

A whole lot less than Iraq did and who could doubt the words of Baghdad Bob?

Yes the essence here is the difference in credibility between Saddam's Goebbels (who nobody seems to care for , prooving how much the "liberators" care for the peoples of Iraq) & the zionist-pnac propaganda machine . Yes that is what it is about here .................................................. ........................................

:(

But then the greatest lie of all , the removal of the Iraqi regime :

Ba'athists slip quietly back into control (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,940335,00.html)

British anger Basrans by bringing back Ba'athists (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/18/wbaath18.xml)

Obviously the pnac-zionists and their hordes of baboons never really cared for anything more than those playing cards they got ......... was Sahaf on those ? If not , get him a job !!!!!

Liberation obviously means changing uniforms (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/21/1050777213104.html) means changing regime , I can tell you this does not go for the peoples of Iraq .
http://www.pcn-ncp.com/irak/images/flagirakflotant.gif
If we have to bring back the Ba'ath , we will bring them back on the peoples side as militant Fidayi who attack the traitors collaborating with USA . http://www.pcn-ncp.com/Images/IrakResistance.jpg

Iraq needs a solution not colonization . Split the 3 states and share the resources between Kurds-Sunni-Shiaa . USA needs to go and UN needs to come in to arrange 3 new states , then install democracy . That is what the peoples of Iraq need .

You liked saddam's regiem? No. Then don't look a gift horse in the mouth. You got something good out of the deal.

You had 2 things you didnt like (the US and Saddam) and now you only have 1. Shouldn't matter what our motives were, the action was a benificial one.

Nobody liked Saddam's regime Clockwood , however this is not an improvement . There is absolutely no future for Iraq under USA's political direction , democracy means either a Shiaa-theocracy state or another dictator (Shiaa or Sunni) .

We didnt have USA & Saddam , just Saddam .

The action was not a beneficial one at all . There are Sunni refugees who fled for Saddam (yes some Sunni fled for Saddam as well) and after all those years STILL cant return because some crazy cleriks-gang takes controll and its Sunni-paybacktime .

We cant live in 1 Iraq under democracy , and USA's interests are not in making them a democracy . We cant live under dictatorship either . When one group has the majority to rule and there are ethnic-religious tentions , one democratic nation is not only an illusion , its a crime against humanity .

>Iraq needs a solution not colonization . Split the 3 states and share the resources between Kurds-Sunni-Shiaa . USA needs to go and UN needs to come in to arrange 3 new states , then install democracy . That is what the peoples of Iraq need .


Sorry to rain on your parade, pal, but you dont just "install" a democracy. If people dont understand the principles behind democracy, it will collapse to a dictatorshiop when the first psycopath shows up on the ballot list.

Sorry to rain on your parade, pal, but you dont just "install" a democracy.

:m: what in god's name do you think the US is doing? :bugeye:

If people dont understand the principles behind democracy, it will collapse to a dictatorshiop when the first psycopath shows up on the ballot list.

As in many other things you are ignorant of the entho-make up of Iraq, thus you can't understand as to why Democracpcy won't work in Iraq. Jesus it only get's worse and worse with you.

Sorry to rain on your parade, pal, but you dont just "install" a democracy. If people dont understand the principles behind democracy

I dont think you really understand them . Can you tell me the principles ? Self-determination for instance ? That means that a peoples in a democracy should be able to self choose what and how their state is gonna be like , doesnt it ?

Well the Kurds know what they want , the Sunni know what they want and the Shiaa know what they want . Thing is , they dont want the same . Let them vote for themselves and it will become the dictatorship of the majority , because Sunni & Shiaa Arabs dont want to live in a Kurdistan , Shia & Kurds dont like Arabism/Socialism & Kurds & Sunni Arabs dont like Shiaa theocracy . Thats what everybody would vote in a democratic election , and since Shiaa are most thats what its gonna be .

Well nice self-determination that is for the Kurds & Sunni Arabs . Thats what you get with Phariah states , get rid of them if they do not function . THAT is what in the best interest is for the peoples of Iraq , not some western neo-fascism .

Kurds for Kuridstan , Sunni Arabs for Arabic Republic of Iraq & Shiaa for Islamic Republik of Iraq .

We cant have this : Ba'ath Party will need a role (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC14Ak01.html )

:(

Alas the entire middle-east is mentally still stuck in the 14th century. I doubt progress will be made until they get out of the "kill the infidels at first sight" stage.

Clockwood tell me what is the difference btwn the Infadels theory, and the racial profiling idea? What is the difference btwn 9/11 and Iraq? What is the difference btwn Stalinist zealots in Iraq, and Troksty, zionist, baptist fundamentalists? :rolleyes:

For one civilians arent supposed to be doing hostile acts.

Also stonings, molitov cocktails, hijacking plains, sniper attacks on civilians, suicide bombings, or the like.

You attack with a military against a military until one side gives up or has nothing left to fight with.

For one civilians arent supposed to be doing hostile acts.


That is it? That is your argument? :( About civilians what do you think Perle, and Rums are? :rolleyes:

*before his edit.

They were flying over Iraq and dropping bombs?

Was Osama in the planes? Yet we are going after him not the real terrorists, what is your point? They have been planning this war for 10 years. Pre-mediatated murder if you ask me.

Was Osama in the planes? Yet we are going after him not the real terrorists, what is your point? They have been planning this war for 10 years. Pre-mediatated murder if you ask me.
Noone is, thankfully, and yet your incessant garbage keeps popping up on the screen.

For one civilians arent supposed to be doing hostile acts.
Indeed? Wonderful. Are soldiers meant to steal, harrass, and murder innocent children and unarmed adults?

sniper attacks on civilians, suicide bombings, or the like.
The US military in Iraq has already shot several unarmed civilians with sniper rifles. And dropped cluster bombs on civilian targets. So frankly, I'd give the civilians a lot of leeway before calling for their prosecution.

You attack with a military against a military until one side gives up or has nothing left to fight with.
Bollocks. That's the last step. Prior to that, you're meant to use diplomatic means. But given that the current US foreign policy consists of "yee-haw", I guess their actions shouldn't be that surprising.

Alas the entire middle-east is mentally still stuck in the 14th century. I doubt progress will be made until they get out of the "kill the infidels at first sight" stage.
This from someone whose country not only never experienced the Enlightenment, but skipped the Reformation and the Renaissance as well...

Noone is, thankfully, and yet your incessant garbage keeps popping up on the screen.


Your talking to me? :bugeye:

No nico, to clockwood. Case of mistaken source identity :)

But you quoted my post? Just want to make sure thank you. :D

Originally posted by Clockwood
Alas the entire middle-east is mentally still stuck in the 14th century. I doubt progress will be made until they get out of the "kill the infidels at first sight" stage.

You speak some truth. Will invading more countries remove the "kill the infidels at first sight" state?

No.

The only thing these people have seen is misuse and abuse by their own government AND by the western powers. For a people to "modernise" they first must feel secure. Unfortunetly, those humans do not.

Dinseyland-Warfare

1)You cannot have tanks/planes/apache we can
2)You cannot target civillians because we have uniforms , we can attack civillians because you dont have .
3)We can invade because we have uniforms , you are not allowed to defend it because you dont have .
4)In the end we'll nuke you anyways

14th century Islamic mentality was more civilized than Western mentality today . 14th Century Christian mentality was less civilized than Arabian mentality BC .

You attack with a military against a military until one side gives up or has nothing left to fight with.

This logic is what has justified slavery & oppression , invasions & colonialism .

I think it is time to teach the Amerikan the difference between mortal warfare and the super bowl .

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Lie # 11. "I was voted into office"
Lie # 12. "I will unite America not devide it"

Lie #13: Tax cuts create jobs
Lie #14: Be fair in the Middle east peace process.
Lie #15: No guerilla war in Iraq, Afghanistan.
Lie #16: I can read.