Intelligent earth lights

Magical Realist

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The witnessing of strange floating orbs of light in natural settings occurs all over the globe, They are usually indigenous to a certain geographic location, and remain mysterious in terms of their origin. Examples include the Marfa lights near Marfa Texas, the Brown Mountain lights in NC, the Hessdalen lights in Norway, the Min Min lights of Australia, the Naga fireballs on the Mekong in Thailand, the Piedmont MO lights, the Yakima WA lights, and even the Foofighters witnessed and photographed by pilots during WWII. Historically they came to be known as Willowisps or fairy lights and figured prominently in folklore tales in cultures all over the world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will-o'-the-wisp

"They appear in many colours, shapes, and sizes, though the basketball-sized globular orange variety seems most common. Most sightings occur at night, when some lights can be seen from miles around. They're reported to be able to move against the wind and reach extraordinary speeds. Their terrestrial nature means that though many sightings are sporadic, there are some locations where they appear relatively often. It's through studying these hotspots, such as Hessdalen in Norway and the Engligh Pennines, that their characteristics become evident."--- http://inamidst.com/lights/earth

Here are some fascinating firsthand accounts and photographs of this amazing phenomenon that suggest that these lights might actually be intelligent in some sense.
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"There's something, something which seems to be MAJOR and well-attested, about these lightforms which hasn't been featured yet in these entries. Here's a lead-in case:

Gladys McDaniel was serving at Signal Peak Lookout Station one evening when she noticed an out-of-place light. It looked like a streetlight "sparkling through the trees" in the direction of Cedar Valley. She'd seen so many of these lights that she decided that it might be interesting to "signal" it. She pointed her flashlight at it. A red-orange light ball appeared there and flew over at her signal. It seemed the size of a basketball. It circled her cabin once, raced back, and seemed to merge with the "streetlight" [there were of course no street lights in the vicinity] and both blinked out.

I suppose a desperate debunker would claim either that Gladys McDaniel was a hallucinator or a liar, and if nobody bought that [they wouldn't in her case], then the experience was a coincidence. It goes almost without saying that such debunkers are the fools in this story not Gladys. The responsive nature of anomalous lightforms worldwide is legion [not all do act this way, but many do.] But at Yakima this is particularly common.


When David Akers first came to Yakima with his cameras and magnetometers, Bill Vogel noticed that one feature of the light phenomenon became hugely enhanced. His quotes:

"Strange as it may seem, when these objects were spotted, if there was any radio traffic about them at all (lookouts radioing a sighting), they would quickly disappear. As soon as it seemed they realized they were spotted by somebody who started talking about them, they'd vanish. When Dave first started coming over, I would call the lookouts and say, Dave may be up this evening so that they wouldn't be frightened if he pulled up there and just parked in the middle of the night. We had to quit that because as soon as we did that nothing would happen. I mean maybe we could have activity like you'd never believe Monday through Wednesday. Thursday I'd call and say Dave's going to be up your way Thursday night. He'd come over from Seattle and nothing would happen until Dave left. "

Vogel and Akers had to set up a minimalist communication and random arrival type of methodology to thwart this strange "behavior." But it worked. Even with this human-stealth though, Akers tended to get more results on the first night of a stealthy visit than on subsequent evenings. This led Vogel and the lookouts and to a degree Akers to wonder if there was "intelligence" associated with the lightforms.

"Intelligence-associated" can be interpreted in a variety of ways. UFOs as extraterrestrial spacecraft would be a case of intelligence being associated with them, just as much as a USAF guided missile. But this discussion was taking the other tack: were the lights themselves "intelligent? "


This view of the lights has been gaining momentum lately, sometimes using certain expert opinions properly and sometimes not [in my reading.] A case in point is Dr. Harley Rutledge's study of the Piedmont, MO lights flap that he studied intensely and wrote about in Project Identification. I have read recently a statement that Dr. Rutledge believed that the lights themselves were intelligent. But, although he may have said that somewhere, that is not how I read his book's conclusions.

"The most startling discovery was that on at least 32 recorded occasions the movement of the lights synchronized with actions of the observers. They appeared to respond to a light being switched on and off, and to verbal or radio messages."

In other words, Dr. Rutledge's Piedmont Lights manifested the same RESPONSIVE character that was seen in the Yakima Lights [rather identically, amazingly enough] but in neither case does this responsiveness distinguish between the intelligent lightform and advanced technology hypotheses.

But today, as we type, the intelligent lightform hypothesis seems to be gaining adherents. A couple of those come from the "other" big recurring lightfield, Hessdalen, Norway...."

https://thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com/2015/08/yakima-last-curtain.html

Scientists discover possible inorganic lifeforms:
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/644814

 
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A very interesting subject that I have a personal interest in. I live close to the Longdendale Valley near Glossop England. I would recommend reading two books Earth Lights and Earth Lights Revelations by Paul Devereux. Also the work of David Clark and Andy Roberts in connection with Project Pennine . This is an overlooked subject that requires more scientific attention and investigation. I have met and spoken to someone who witnessed an orb, and never spoke about for over 40 years until a casual conversation resulted in him telling me his experience .
 
I've always found this phenomenon fascinating. I've passed the Marfa turnoff from I10 many times in Texas but have never seen the lights there at night. I believe they are some sort of intelligent plasmoid lifeform that feeds off the electromagnetic earth fields or the piezoelectric emissions from underground rock pressures. That would explain their tendency to haunt the same locations. Tks for your post.
 
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Have the Marfa lights not been pretty conclusively shown to be most likely the result of cars, or campfires? Multiple investigations in the 2000s suggested this conclusion, even recreating the effect. So, pretty debunked in terms of any paranormal or pseudoscientific explanation, it seems. ;)

The Longdendale Valley lights are less obvious, and there may well an unusual, albeit natural, phenomenon that generates them. However, there is also no photographic evidence, no video of them, and it is all just anecdotal, which doesn't bode well for ever establishing what they might be caused by. Just the way the "believers" like it, I guess. ;)
 
I recall when I lived in Putney, in SW London, there were often mysterious, moving lights playing on the clouds at night, to the northwest. It baffled me for a quite a while, as it looked quite spooky, and then it dawned on me. Beside Hammersmith flyover there is a strange modern building with sides that slope outwards as it rises from the ground, like the sides of a ship's hull. These were at such an angle that they were reflecting the headlights of passing cars obliquely upward onto the clouds above. No doubt if I had been of a more credulous disposition I would have jumped to some kind of "close encounters" type conclusion.
 
Have the Marfa lights not been pretty conclusively shown to be most likely the result of cars, or campfires? Multiple investigations in the 2000s suggested this conclusion, even recreating the effect. So, pretty debunked in terms of any paranormal or pseudoscientific explanation, it seems. ;)

The Longdendale Valley lights are less obvious, and there may well an unusual, albeit natural, phenomenon that generates them. However, there is also no photographic evidence, no video of them, and it is all just anecdotal, which doesn't bode well for ever establishing what they might be caused by. Just the way the "believers" like it, I guess. ;)

No..the Marfa lights haven't been debunked despite many efforts. The behavior of the lights, the fact that they only appear rarely on certain nights, and the fact that they have been witnessed historically by Indian tribes and in the 1800's and 1940's before there was a highway all discount the headlight theory.

"The Marfa Lights, mysterious glowing orbs that appear in the desert outside the West Texas town of Marfa, have mystified people for generations.


According to eyewitnesses, the Marfa Lights appear to be roughly the size of basketballs and are varyingly described as white, blue, yellow, red or other colors.

There seems to be no way to predict when the lights will appear; they're seen in various weather conditions, but only a dozen or so nights a year. And nobody knows for sure what they are — or if they really even exist at all.

The Native Americans of the area thought the Marfa Lights were fallen stars, the Houston Chronicle reports.


The first mention of the lights comes from 1883, when cowhand Robert Reed Ellison claimed to have seen flickering lights one evening while driving a herd of cattle near Mitchell Flat. He assumed the lights were from Apache campfires.

Ellison was told by area settlers that they often saw the lights, too, but upon investigation, they found no ashes or other evidence of a campfire, according to the Texas State Historical Society.

During World War II, pilots from nearby Midland Army Air Field tried to locate the source of the mysterious lights, but were unable to discover anything.

A superior mirage

Lovers of the paranormal have attributed the Marfa Lights to everything from space aliens to the wandering ghosts of Spanish conquistadors.

Academics, too, have tried to offer a scientific explanation for the enigmatic lights. A group of physics students from the University of Texas at Dallas concluded that headlights from vehicles on nearby U.S. Highway 67 could explain at least some of the reported sightings of the Marfa Lights.

Another possible explanation is the refraction of light caused by layers of air at different temperatures. This optical illusion, sometimes called a superior mirage or a "Fata Morgana," according to Skeptoid.com, occurs when a layer of calm, warm air rests above a layer of cooler air.

A Fata Morgana is sometimes seen in the ocean, causing a ship to appear to float above the horizon. The temperature gradients needed to produce this optical effect are common in the West Texas desert.

Glowing gases

Still others speculate the Marfa Lights may be caused by the same gases that create the glowing lights associated with swamp gas: phosphine (PH3) and methane (CH4). Under certain conditions, these gases can ignite when they contact oxygen.

This glowing phenomenon, sometimes called "will-o'-the-wisp," "ignes fatui" or "fool's fire," has been observed around the world, especially in marshy areas where the decay of organic matter can create pockets of phosphine and methane.

Though the Marfa Lights are nowhere near a marsh, there are significant reserves of oil, natural gas and other petroleum hydrocarbons in the area, which could include methane in quantities capable of producing an effect similar to that created by swamp gas.

'No proven facts'

Retired aerospace engineer James Bunnell chanced upon the Marfa Lights while visiting the viewing platform constructed east of Marfa by the Texas State Highway Department.

"I just got lucky," Bunnell told the Chronicle. "The lights are rare, but I got one of the really good displays."

Bunnell believes the Marfa Lights are the result of the igneous rock under Mitchell Flat that creates a piezoelectric charge (i.e., electricity produced under pressure by solid matter such as minerals, crystals or ceramics).

Karl Stephan, an engineering professor at Texas State University, has considered Bunnell's hypothesis, but hasn't endorsed it. "It may be geological activity that creates electrical activity, but it's all speculation at this point," Stephan told the Chronicle. "There are no proven facts."

https://www.livescience.com/37579-what-are-marfa-lights-texas.html
 
I recently spent a short time researching the geology of the Longdendale Valley, and a local newspaper for sightings. I strongly suspect the the phenomenon has its origins in the Geology, and there is a connection between quarts in the rock formations and fault systems in the area. Sightings appear to be extremely few and also the conditions that created the phenomenon may not be present now.
 
I believe they are some sort of intelligent plasmoid lifeform that feeds off the electromagnetic earth fields or the piezoelectric emissions from underground rock pressures.
Well, that sure escalated fast!

Some people report seeing some strange lights and the next thing we hear is that Magical Realist believes in "intelligent plasmoid lifeforms". Not only that, by Magical Realist knows what the lifeforms eat and exactly what produces the necessary food!

I wonder whether all those UAPs are piloted by the intelligent plasmoid lifeforms. There's a new avenue of "research" for you, Magical Realist. I'm sure you'll quickly get to the bottom of whatever woo compelling phenomenon is going on.
 
Well, that sure escalated fast!

Well duh.. The title of the thread sort of gave it away. Did you read the posted article on the signs of their intelligence? Have you never heard of the Foo Fighters of WWII? Did you check out the link I posted to a recent scientific theory about plasma dust lifeforms? Here it is again:

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/644814

"A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields. Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning,[1][2] magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere,[3] and objects in cometary tails,[4] in the solar wind,[5][6] in the solar atmosphere,[7] and in the heliospheric current sheet. Plasmoids produced in the laboratory include field-reversed configurations, spheromaks, and in dense plasma focuses.

The word plasmoid was coined in 1956 by Winston H. Bostick (1916-1991) to mean a "plasma-magnetic entity":[8]

'The plasma is emitted not as an amorphous blob, but in the form of a torus. We shall take the liberty of calling this toroidal structure a plasmoid, a word which means plasma-magnetic entity. The word plasmoid will be employed as a generic term for all plasma-magnetic entities.'--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasm... a coherent,in the heliospheric current sheet.
 
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Magical Realist: I see no mention of any plasmoid lifeforms in the material you quoted, let alone intelligent plasmoid lifeforms.

Why on earth do you believe in them?
 
I have just returned back to this thread which I find very interesting.
I have maintained a casual interest in Earth Lights for approximately 50 years.

This thread appears to have gone a little awry, perhaps a better way of describing the motion of the anomaly, is that it appears to have an ATTRACTION to man-made objects.

I'am hoping that this thread will attract the attention of members with an interested in geology , and also the effects of electrical discharges.

Please let's back on track, an extraterrestrial hypothesis is just one of many possibilities, for this unusual and rare phenomena.
 
A very interesting link looking into the scientific research, of the Earthlights phenomenona in Hessdalen Norway.


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Also there is a live YouTube feed with two operational cameras.

Unfortunately we are close to seeing almost 24hr of daylight at the latitudes of Hessdalen.




Please check out the links, and I would be very interested in any potential feedback.
 
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